JACKSON SEEKS IMMORTALITY

MICHAEL JACKSON was reportedly so afraid of dying in prison after his child molestation trial - he made plans to have his body frozen and later brought back to life.

afraid of dying in prison after his child molestation trial - he made plans to have his body frozen and later brought back to life.

The HEAL THE WORLD singer wanted to have his remains cryogenically preserved until medical research was advanced enough to resuscitate him so he could rise again.

Author MICHAEL LUCKMAN, who met Jackson last year (04), tells the New York Daily News the singer is obsessed with immortality and has invested millions into DNA research to produce perfect children.

Luckman also says Jackson takes GH3, a Romanian-developed drug designed to prolong life expectancy. It is also reported that the singer has deposited his DNA in up to three sperm banks around the world and plans yet more facial plastic surgery.

Luckman says, "Michael has gone to extreme lengths to achieve immortality."

Doesn't this belong in a different forum?
Try World of the Bizarre.
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Hes got the money, why not?

Why does it belong in the world of the bizzare?

I don't see anything bizzare about wanted to live forever or getting your body frozen. Science is showing that it may one day be possible

It would be awesome to have michael jackson contribute to research into aging! especially the mprize.org

why would anybody want to be immortal? it would be a sad life, too sad.

that guy just gets weirder and weirder

.... i see.....

It would not be so bad if you never looked old!

i have stopped listening to him ever since he turned white, well i do like that video with naomi campbell n him lucky bastard
well i stopped listening to him when that chin happened

Anyone watch Naruto? This guy is starting to remind me of orochimaru and his kinjutsu, has a slight resembelance too.

Bah, its his money, he can do what he wants with it and hopefully he will actually help us to increase life expectancy!

wuts the point of lookin old when u already look like u caME BACK FROM THE DEAD

I suppose I could see Michael Jackson as being Supreme Emperor of the world.

He would have a massive propoganda network, with his face all over televison screens. By then he may have found a decent death mask.

Is being alive so sad?

You Live a day at a time and not eternity all at once

havent you ever watched Highlander?

you would experience and see so much death. To see your parents,your children, your childrens children,and their children, and your friends all die. would be too sad, nobody can handle that. you would get emotionally attached one day, and soon enough loose them the next.

One of my dads old relatives just died recently. she just gave up, life was too sadening.

immortality sounds like a good idea at first for many, but in reality not a good idea, too sadening it would be to live forever.

This is not some sort of Duncan McLoud highlander finctional story where you live forever and everyone around you dies.

Open-ended life spans would be available for everyone. You, your mother, your father, your grandparents, your cat, your dog etc..

Oh gee, its so saddening in a world without cancer and disease, I better go kill myself ! ... now come on, use your brain here.

People will still die but of accidents rather than dying of some disease or old age.

the good thing about life extension technologies is that it will give you a choice. You can choose to live aslong as possible or you can choose to stop taking the pill, rejuvenation therapies and let your body age.


Everyone experiences boredom, does that make us commit suicide? -- no! we carry on living. If im healthy and fit this year and having a good time then there is no reason why i want to die and if I feel the same next year then id like to carry on living. Now at some point there might be atime that i want to die but atleast we have a choice, right?

whoa i completely agree

Earthbound 'immortality' whether it's available to all or not would not be the Utopia you'd imagine. The very act of living 'forever' would become tiresome, and no doubt hold it's own problem not yet anticipated. That and, the risk of death beyond natural means still exists, and you'd no doubt still have to witness that.

I don't think anyone would want to live that long, but then,
You'd take the pills as a young adult, then when you get sick of life, you'd stop taking them.
But then you'd have 60 more years to live in bored-ness

We're geniuses...
Live life to the max while you're young, get really bored when old.
There'd be more suicides.

life is pretty good, i'd like to live as long as i can. there isn't much to get bored of, in my opinion

imagine how lonely it would be though, seeing loved ones grow old and die, and to keep seeing that?

nah, I'd rather be worm food any day!

Did you even read this thread hoagy?


* SCREAMS! *

Please take a minute to read my post at the top of this page...

What I wonder is why future generations would ever thaw the people who have been frozen? Surely they will have more important concerns, such as global warming or the next Ice Age.

Dr.H

Speaking as an old person of 65, I shall be happy to pass on. I know enough about NDEs and reincarnation to believe to think it will be a good experience, where I will leave behind bodily shortcomings.

You people don't seem to understand that our longevity is what it should be for the survival of the species, and to tamper with it would surely lead to extinction.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Dr.H~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

yeah, if everyone was immortal, the world would get over populated. Then another planet,and an entire system, an entire galaxy,the universe! living forever is not a good idea

wouldn't we get overpopulated if people become immortal we already live with so many this would mean more food, water, space, and cause more pollution i wonder how much times we would get married (nowadays you even see people divorcing the day after they got married) and how much children we would have we all love children but having 300 children would make a bit crazy i would like to live for long but not for eternal

As if we need to pass on our garbage to the next generation(s). Isn't a trashed world bad enough??

If we could even possibly thaw and bring back someone that has been cryogenically frozen then there is a good probability and a person that you knew could still be around in this world without old age/frailty. Your family may still be about, but if the old cryonics thing didnt work out then what have you lost? Your already dead anyway and you wouldnt care because you dont exist.

Thats your decision of course. But i'd rather see heaven on earth. I believe technology will bring us above the bodies shortcoming. I want to see future technology and I love life and I intend to enjoy it while living aslong as I possibly can.

"the scientific explanation of ageing as serving an evolutionary role is also not true, because it rests on a faulty evolutionary analysis"

http://www.nature.com/embor/journal/v6/n1s/full/7400435.html

Ageing is not 'natural' - please read!

Life expecancy boom

When we start to use antibiotics and other things to treat infections and bring up the average human life span did we panic that we were going to get overpopulated? " Oh no! 90+ % of the babies are going to survive childhood ! what are we going to do ! " lol... seriosuly. We have been through this sort of big boost in average life expectancy before.

Over populatedion - contraception

We didn't force this on people... People are using it at their own will! Just because we have the potential to live thousands of years don't mean that we will go around making babies for the hell of it.

Multiple technologies to solve problems

Mulitple technologies are coming into place such as biotechnology - Nanotechnology - Robotics to solve some all of these problems. Technology isnt going to stay the same forever!

Pollution

Polluted seas? Polluted Air?

Nanotechnology materials... At the nano-scale, materials become very reactive. Scientists are working on ways to exploit this to clean up the environment. Three ideas that they have come up with are nanoparticles that can travel through soil collecting contaminants such as tar and residues from old gas works, paint that can clean up polluted air, and filters that can make water drinkable.

READ THIS http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/nano/planet/131.asp

6 short pages with solutions

marriage

As I see it, marriage is something that wont last forever anyway.

Near-term technologies to help world problems

maybe you can do some research on some near term technologies. Do some researching on nanotechnology - biotechnology and robotics and see th enormous potential.

space?

Well we live in a pretty big universe... I'm sure there is enough space

I think the best thing to do is develop these technologies and then let future generations decide whether to use them or not. Otherwise we are forcing them to die and delaying these life saving therapies even further.

Give future generation the decision.


I have found a quick short video by by Rabbi Noah Weinberg that I would like you to watch. Its around 2 minutes long and its some views from jewish people on immortality. http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Vide...otion$.asp

if he wakes up in future from thee deep freeze! why does he think people in future will care about him! 100 years from now people mite want to kill him as soon as he wakes up! i would not care! as long they dont think he some type of weird god!

Why bring someone back to life just to kill them?

I don't see the logic as it will cost money, effort and time to do the proceedure... If people dont care then he will not get brought back to life.

Also these are proper well funded companies that look after their patients. Your family is going to care, they are the people that will want to see you back again..

doh

forcing them to die? dude death is natural, aging is natural. we have to face the facts, death is inevitable. we are all gonna go sometime.

EDIT: I watched the video, ide like to see The Rabbi provide scriptural proof. people lived long in the early days but the did eventually die!

Yes, by delaying anti aging therapies one would be condemning future generations to death and I believe we have no right to do that. How else can you look at it...

Aging is not a natural process. Aging is basically a side effect of metabolism. Many animals in the wild do no even experience old age as humans do.

Death is inevitible but I dont understand why you think that we shouldnt postpone it. We know that its possible because we have increased the life span of mice and the oldest living mice was 1 week short of 5 years old when they only usually live around 3 years. So we know its just a matter of time before it's possible in humans.

You are still young and you have yet to experience old age at all. I would be confident to predict that as your buddies are going about buying their anti aging therapies at the age of 70 you will see that they are like 30 years old again and feel great and able to do anything. While you are sat in your chair full of medication for your diseases etc...

Be realistic. You will probably jump at the chance when the time comes because when you see how happy your buddies are after their treatment. You wont be able to resist. Whats the point in staying frail when you could be fit and healthy in a matter of weeks.

People will get this done and only a small minority will sit back and watch and get old and frail. It's gonna be huge.

US market for anti-aging products set to top $30 billion

of course these are not real true anti aging therapies but they indicate a massive interest and it is rapidly growing as more people go into old age.

Pension retirement crises?

There will be one and life extension therapies can prevent it because why would we need pensions and retirement anymore? Retirement is for old and frail but a world with anti aging therapies this wont eixst.

People could go on temporary retirement for a few years then go back to work etc...

Oh how sad to be so ignorant! I am not criticising you, though. You are simply repeating the tribal mythology of our time, which is reduction and materialism.

There is an enormous amount of scientific proof that this reductionist worldview is false. Do a Google on Prof. Ian Stevenson. Or better yet, as an introduction, on "George Rodonaia." The NDE and the reincarnationist data prove that death is not extinction. Indeed, it is release from Hell. I believe this Earth is hell. For humans there is no other. The Between sounds like a fun place to me, and I look forward to going there, as we all will, believe, or don't believe. This has nothing to do with religion. None of the religions have it right, not even those of the Eastern Civilizations.

We LIVE! We do not die. Not really. Only a seeming. The real Self goes on forever. This is not a religion. I want to emphasize that. This is scientific proof from the science of psychical research.

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what a freak

-Whoa182:You are still young and you have yet to experience old age at all.

-both of us are still young and have yet to experience old age.


- Whoa182: I would be confident to predict that as your buddies are going about buying their anti aging therapies at the age of 70 you will see that they are like 30 years old again and feel great and able to do anything. While you are sat in your chair full of medication for your diseases etc...

Be realistic. You will probably jump at the chance when the time comes because when you see how happy your buddies are after their treatment. You wont be able to resist.

-nope,ide pity them

Whats the point in staying frail when you could be fit and healthy in a matter of weeks.

-ever heard of Jeck Lelane?he's old and healthy as an Ox. built better than most people your age I bet.


-Whoa182: People will get this done and only a small minority will sit back and watch and get old and frail. It's gonna be huge.

-really, visited a psychic lately have you?

I observe and research. It's clear that as there are more 'baby boomers' the amount spent on anti aging pills, creams and supplements is growing rapidly. Anti aging supplements ( that dont really work ) are topping $30 BILLION in the U.S alone.

It speaks for itself. Even 10,s of millions of people are taking supplements to try and keep healthy and slow down aging...


Even tho these efforts wont work with the pill we have now. It's clear that a real anti aging therapy would be huge!



I don't understand. It's like saying you pity an old man/women wanting to cure his/her Alzheimer's disease and be able to have healthy mental ability. After all, it is an AGE RELATED DISEASE

You may pitty them, but in the end you will be dead and forgotten anyway. So I guess they could carry on having fun and live with it, right?

Elderly face years of ill health

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4701207.stm

Rising life expectancy could mean older people having to endure more years of ill health at the end of their lives, say peers.
A House of Lords Science and Technology Committee report says more must be done to make older people healthier and to improve their quality of life.

It calls on the government to apply scientific resources to improve health in old age.

Demographic timebomb

Dr James Goodwin, head of research at Help the Aged, said "For the first time in history, the number of people aged over 65 in the UK exceeds those under 16.

"Quite simply, we are sitting on a demographic time bomb. We are completely unprepared for the fact that our baby boomer generation will sooner rather than later be hitting their 70s and 80s.

"If we don't place more resources into ageing research now we will be unable to cope with the implications of age-related disease, dependence and frailty in 20 years time."

Dr Goodwin expressed disappointment that the inquiry did not recommended setting up a National Institute on Ageing to centrally coordinate ageing research in the UK

Some more evidence on the growth in anti aging interest in the baby boomer generation in other part of the world.

Baby boomers fuel a boom in 'anti-aging' treatments

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getart...l20050707a1.htm

As baby boomers are heading for their sixties, anti-aging medicine is becoming popular in Japan -- though it may be some time before we catch up with the United States, where more is now reportedly spent on supplements than prescribed medicines.
However, although some of these supplements have some effect, for most there is no anti-aging evidence.

For example, Vitamin C is a proven anti-oxidant, and is hence beneficial in addressing an important cause of aging of cells and organs like the skin. On the other hand, Vitamin E was long thought to have the same effect, but a recent U.S. study failed to demonstrate its anti-oxidant effect on the heart.

Not so Coenzyme Q 10, for which there is clear evidence of its anti-aging effect, and which I strongly recommend -- although I have found that the dose many Japanese people are taking is too little to have an effect.

With this anti-aging boom, many doctors have opened anti-aging clinics. There, they check body-fat ratio and usually administer extensive blood tests, including for blood sugar, cholesterol and triglyceride. Many also check hormone levels.

Whoa, are you scared of death?

Yes. I see death as oblivion.

I thought so.

Also I am human and I have curiosity about the universe, Life, Technology etc.. I know that my current life span is not enough to explore the universe and see all the possibilities opened up in the future. I have so many interests that it fuels my desire to live forever or a very long time. A man without curiosity maybe doesnt need to live longer than 80 years, but Im not that person. I see life as precious and that we should hold onto it and we have a right to live aslong as we possibly can in good health.

"We want to live forever, and we're getting there" - Bill Cinton

Whoa, I would pity them because if they want to live forever, they are really asking for more than the mind can cope with. they will live on, but it would be a sad and haunting life.

so choices

-A:live a sad and haunting long life/neverending life?

-B:live a great normal lifespan?

trust me dude, you dont wanna live forever.

Yeah and you know ALL about living forever don't you?





this Option or argument is founded upon what exactly? your own predictions or view of life?

Why would it be sad? and I never said you wouldnt be able to die!. what the hell do you have against living!. Don't you enjoy life or something! Maybe you have some issues but not everyone else does. Maybe you just eat sh*t and sleep everyday for a life... I don't know. But some people have far more ambition and love life.




Why do people even bother to try and cure the ederly then. By your way of thinking we should just give them some painkillers!

There is no damn difference in Saving peoples lives and extending lives. The end result is you give them more life.



Who says? The mind forgets things as time passes on. Especially things that are irrelivent. There is absaloutly no reason to assume that a person in great health ( body and mind ) would be affected in some sort of psychological way. If a 120 year old person has the mind of a 20 year old and the body of a 20 year old, what is the problem? It's not as if you will re-live your life every morning before breakfast You Look forward not backwards.

Only frail people want to generally die and have a not so good time.

There are also some remarkable mind altering drugs with no side effects surely coming because of our increase in knowledge of the human brain.