After reading many topics I've come to the conclusion that this place is over run with skeptics. I joined mainly to see why skeptics are skeptics. I'd like to communicate with you and possibly convert a few. Now, I myself do practice things such as telapathy, telekinesis, and energy manipulation but I practice them on a scientific level. I practice with psychic abilities to find out the truth behind it all and what's really going on. I think that the reason that there are so many skeptics is because people still look at psychic abilities as a mystical thing while it is more of a science. All we need is research, a scientist to look at it seriously. I myself am I psychic researcher and I come up with theories and discuss theories with othe researchers.
I hope that I have introduced myself so that you know that I research these things for the truth instead of being a kid that wants to show off purely for attention. To tell you the truth I haven't told anybody about my research and practices except with other seious researchers on the internet. I'm part of ppsociety, psipog and this site. I don't go from site to site telling people that I have psychic powers.
I hope that we can be freinds and that you can go without ridiculing me with every step I make. And yes, I am a 13. But I hope that shows you that I am indeed mature and you should treat me as I treat you.
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I would be more than happy to speak with you about the scientific side of things. I think, after you learn a bit more about scientific methodology, you will come to understand why we 'skeptics' think the way we do.
That is what I want to do. I already know why I think the way I do, now I want to veiw your side. That's the only way that I can find the truth.
I think you will find that there is a lot more to scientific methodology than you have yet experienced. For starters, we aren't looking for any sort of 'truth' (frankly, I don't believe such a thing exists). Nor do scientists necessarily believe that the supernatural is necessarily false (as several supernatural phenomena have been documented and explained, and are no longer considered supernatural). The paranormal is a different matter, however. To date, not a single event has been found, despite the many claims of its existence throughout the centuries, to be repeatable or measurable, two key properties of natural events and two significant factors in any sort of scientific investigation.
Let's start with something simple; I am assuming, due to your age, that you do not know the five pre-requisites of scientific methodology?
Let's start with something simple; I am assuming, due to your age, that you do not know the five pre-requisites of scientific methodology?
Honestly, no. I won't lie to you. But I'm willing to learn what you have to offer.
Well, if you need to discuss with anyone, it would be Aquatus. He'll take the magic right out of it for you. 
Just kidding, He's a great sounding board. Anyway, it seems as if you're off to the right start by looking at it scientifically. Feel free to let us know your findings as you go. And welcome? I've never "seen" you here before.
Just kidding, He's a great sounding board. Anyway, it seems as if you're off to the right start by looking at it scientifically. Feel free to let us know your findings as you go. And welcome? I've never "seen" you here before.
Thanks, that's because I've never been here before. I will post my findings, I need to research phsics some more though. And I'll make sure that I talk to Aquatus. And what do you mean by he's a "great sounding board"?
I can understand where your coming from. I started to research things at your age too. I am now 47 and I am still to this day finding out new things I can do with my supersensory abilities. It's exciting. I'm not skeptical when it comes to the power of personal energy. If you harness your energy and use it wisely you can accomplish many great things. Have fun with it.
The only thing I am skeptical about are entities like gods.
The only thing I am skeptical about are entities like gods.
I've had a few "what if" type questions and scenarios that I've presented to him, and he helped me work through them. If you'd like to see them, PM me.
Ah, I see. I'll send you a PM.
There are lots of skeptics because the believers never provide proof.
Here is the table.
Believers say some of these things and some of these things just facts.
It is partly why skepticism is at a high.
Here is the table.
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A. Can't afford a camera.
B. Live in a really remote area.
C. Don't want the media to hound them.
D. Don't want to provide proof because they know it exists and don't have to justify themselves.
E. Can't upload it.
F. They have electrokenisis and whenever they go near a camera it breaks.
G. Are deluded.
H. Say that you wouldn't believe their evidence anyway
B. Live in a really remote area.
C. Don't want the media to hound them.
D. Don't want to provide proof because they know it exists and don't have to justify themselves.
E. Can't upload it.
F. They have electrokenisis and whenever they go near a camera it breaks.
G. Are deluded.
H. Say that you wouldn't believe their evidence anyway
Believers say some of these things and some of these things just facts.
It is partly why skepticism is at a high.
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After reading many topics I've come to the conclusion that this place is over run with skeptics.
I am very skeptical about that.
The thing is the average person can only do small feats with telekinesis/energy manipulation and when they finally do post proof skeptics say it was fake. The only way to truly convert a skeptic is to actually do the acts while in his presence. Most skeptics never actually get to interact with a telekinetic.
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The thing is the average person can only do small feats with telekinesis/energy manipulation and when they finally do post proof skeptics say it was fake
No, the average person cannot do anything of the sort.
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The only way to truly convert a skeptic is to actually do the acts while in his presence
Not necessarily. If someone I really trusted told me then I may believe them. Also if someone posted video footage that would be very hard to disprove, I may also believe them.
I don't know, Mr. Ed. I, myself, have been guilty of trying to disprove video footage. It's hard to believe just anyone, I'll grant you that. On the other hand, it's hard to display abilities to someone far away. Not saying it's real, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
What would they have to do?
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jul 18 2005, 01:13 PM)
I can understand where your coming from. I started to research things at your age too. I am now 47 and I am still to this day finding out new things I can do with my supersensory abilities. It's exciting. I'm not skeptical when it comes to the power of personal energy. If you harness your energy and use it wisely you can accomplish many great things. Have fun with it.
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In all seriousness, and with respect, can you tell us exactly what you've accomplished with regards to developing your extra-sensory perceptions and abilities?
Makes a change to have a 47-year old post that they can do it, so i'm genuinely interested in what you have to say about it all...
Rich.
im 21 and consider myself "average" and i have had no experience with telekeneisis. well often i want to do thinks and my arms move, but i dont think that counts.
even my friends who are average people have not had experience
even my friends who are average people have not had experience
Proof: have you ever thought of someone just before they call you? Have you ever been concentrating on a person so hard that they feel your presence? Have you ever felt your heart sink when you thought of a person and later you found out that they died? I and many others, who pay attention to these things have experienced them. Have you?
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Proof: have you ever thought of someone just before they call you? Have you ever been concentrating on a person so hard that they feel your presence? Have you ever felt your heart sink when you thought of a person and later you found out that they died? I and many others, who pay attention to these things have experienced them. Have you?
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The reason that I have a hard time accepting things like this as paranormal, is because a lot of the time when i'm NOT thinking of someone, they call me. And a lot of the time, I'll think of someone, get a sinking feeling, and come to find out they're totally fine. Also, there are a lot of times that I think hard about someone, or concentrate on someone, and they don't feel my presence.
It's just that, it seems as though it could be very coincidental that a person that you're thinking about calls you, or someone you're focusing on "feels" you.
I don't really think of these things as "paranormal", but maybe just intuition or .. I don't know.. luck.
But again, that's just my opinions.
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Honestly, no. I won't lie to you. But I'm willing to learn what you have to offer.
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Excellent. Then what I would like to do first is the following. I would like to guide you through the steps of scientific methodology, the proper method of investigative research, and a general overview of Formal Logic.
The purpose for this is the following: you have no doubt noticed that most of your education, at your level, consist in a major part of rote memorization; essentially, the teacher tells you what to learn, and you learn it. That's fine at your level, however you are now stepping forth into the world on your own, and what you need is not simply to take anyone's word that what they say is true, but rather, what you need is a method for evaluating the credibility and the validity of what other people are saying. There is a great difference between a theory that sounds good and seems to make sense, and a theory that is actually valid, to say nothing of correct.
What these three things will allow you to do is, sequentially, analyze any alleged 'theory' that anyone presents to you and be able to determine if it is actually worthy of being called scientific, or if someone is just trying to pull the wool over your eyes. You will also learn how to spot shoddy research that brings about results that are not necessarily correct, which is a commonly used tactic by certain people who advocate the paranormal. And finally, Formal Logic will allow you to be able to tell when someone is actually making a valid argument, or if they are simply deluding themselves, or worse, you, into an argument without a clear path from the data to the conclusion.
If this is all right with you, we can get started.
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QUOTE(GhostDJR @ Jul 18 2005, 11:22 AM)
Honestly, no. I won't lie to you. But I'm willing to learn what you have to offer.
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Excellent. Then what I would like to do first is the following. I would like to guide you through the steps of scientific methodology, the proper method of investigative research, and a general overview of Formal Logic.
The purpose for this is the following: you have no doubt noticed that most of your education, at your level, consist in a major part of rote memorization; essentially, the teacher tells you what to learn, and you learn it. That's fine at your level, however you are now stepping forth into the world on your own, and what you need is not simply to take anyone's word that what they say is true, but rather, what you need is a method for evaluating the credibility and the validity of what other people are saying. There is a great difference between a theory that sounds good and seems to make sense, and a theory that is actually valid, to say nothing of correct.
What these three things will allow you to do is, sequentially, analyze any alleged 'theory' that anyone presents to you and be able to determine if it is actually worthy of being called scientific, or if someone is just trying to pull the wool over your eyes. You will also learn how to spot shoddy research that brings about results that are not necessarily correct, which is a commonly used tactic by certain people who advocate the paranormal. And finally, Formal Logic will allow you to be able to tell when someone is actually making a valid argument, or if they are simply deluding themselves, or worse, you, into an argument without a clear path from the data to the conclusion.
If this is all right with you, we can get started.
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It's all right with me. Thanks for telling me that.
In order for a theory to be considered scientific, it must be able to do certain things. For starters, it must follow the scientific method. It must also meet the prerequisites of scientific methodology. And it must have met the standards for reference, annotation, and accreditation (so that it allows for verification).
The Scientific Method is as follows:
1: Observation
2: Hypothesis
3: Testing
4: Confirmation (regrettably, an important step too often left out of books)
5: Theory
The prerequisites for scientific methodology are as follows:
1) The first would be that it needs to explain the currently existing data.
2) The second is that it would have to be able to predict future events based on that data, in order to encompass data discovered in the future.
3) The conclusion would have to be logical enough so that an unbiased third party would naturally arrive at the same results.
4) The theory must be falsifiable.
5) The explanation offered must be a verifiable event i.e. a logical path must lead from the data to the result.
Standards for verification vary depending on your field and method, but at a minimum they require a peer review of your entire set of data, as well as the calculations, evidence, and logical progression from which your results were derived.
I invite you to ask any questions you'd like.
The Scientific Method is as follows:
1: Observation
2: Hypothesis
3: Testing
4: Confirmation (regrettably, an important step too often left out of books)
5: Theory
The prerequisites for scientific methodology are as follows:
1) The first would be that it needs to explain the currently existing data.
2) The second is that it would have to be able to predict future events based on that data, in order to encompass data discovered in the future.
3) The conclusion would have to be logical enough so that an unbiased third party would naturally arrive at the same results.
4) The theory must be falsifiable.
5) The explanation offered must be a verifiable event i.e. a logical path must lead from the data to the result.
Standards for verification vary depending on your field and method, but at a minimum they require a peer review of your entire set of data, as well as the calculations, evidence, and logical progression from which your results were derived.
I invite you to ask any questions you'd like.
I'm a skeptic because I know when people are faking something.
DOn't fake, I won't be skeptic
DOn't fake, I won't be skeptic
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I am very skeptical about that.
Joc, you are such a poop.
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Not necessarily. If someone I really trusted told me then I may believe them. Also if someone posted video footage that would be very hard to disprove, I may also believe them.
I agree, as I posted on TSCF knowing someone personally for an extended period of time does lend credibility to one's claims.
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Makes a change to have a 47-year old post that they can do it, so i'm genuinely interested in what you have to say about it all...
This piques my interests as well and I would like to hear more; an exception to the rule is always a positive and welcome change.
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1: Observation
2: Hypothesis
3: Testing
4: Confirmation (regrettably, an important step too often left out of books)
5: Theory
I am a big fan of the Scientific Method, so simple yet brilliant.
For the record, I did not turn skeptic until I came to UM.
Here, Here!
OK Fine! I learned 10 or 15 years ago how to enter peoples dreams. This is really embarassing but I have to help you understand. I knew it as something called a succubus, (yes it can be sexual). I know it works because I had people calling me in the middle of the night asking if I was OK. Others would tell me that they saw me in a dream and others would just look at me weird. Now I don't know if you will except this as proof, I really don't care but I know it's true. The depths my mind went to were not the usual meditative depths they went much farther and enveloped my whole body as well as my mind. This is only one of many things I have done. I have never told anyone about this ever, you guys are the first.
I think the reason many of you are skeptics is because you don't know how to reach the depths needed to create an effect, not just the one I described but any effects. It requires totally letting yourself go with it. If you are afraid or skeptical in any way it doesn't work.
I think the reason many of you are skeptics is because you don't know how to reach the depths needed to create an effect, not just the one I described but any effects. It requires totally letting yourself go with it. If you are afraid or skeptical in any way it doesn't work.
I forgot to mention, I don't do this anymore. I just wanted to see if it worked. I found that it did so now I've moved on to other things. Honestly I haven't gone that deep in a while.
can you explain how you did this? ll the steps needed? or is it another thing you cant teach and only special people are able to do it?
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can you explain how you did this? ll the steps needed? or is it another thing you cant teach and only special people are able to do it?
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I lost my signal and it didn't go through. Let me try this again. As I was explaining, everyone can do this. It takes awhile to train your mind to go with the flow, so to speak. I trained myself to expand my thoughts. I just allowed myself to explore the depths without fear. I figured that this was my body and mind and that I was supposed to use it.
Too philosophical.
Come up with some hardcore proof and I will believe you.
Endless philosophy gets you no where.
Come up with some hardcore proof and I will believe you.
Endless philosophy gets you no where.
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 19 2005, 08:43 AM)
Too philosophical.
Come up with some hardcore proof and I will believe you.
Endless philosophy gets you no where.
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Come up with some hardcore proof and I will believe you.
Endless philosophy gets you no where.
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This is why it doesn't work for you. You appear to be afraid to go inward and try it for yourself. You would rather have other people do it and then criticise them when they can't explain it to you the way you could understand it.
Give it a try ed, what do you have to loose.
Oh yah, your EGO
Its better to be a sceptic than a raving idiot, that denies even himself, firm reassurance of his beliefs.
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You appear to be afraid to go inward and try it for yourself
Nope I am not afraid at all. I love this line, so many believers/naive people use it as their only insult. If I was scared I wouldn't be here.
You are scared of the real world and the fact that you are not special because you have these powers.
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You would rather have other people do it and then criticise them when they can't explain it to you the way you could understand it.
I would love for other people to do it, but they can't. There is no proof and therefore these powers do not exist.
I can understand a lot more than you from what I have seen you post.
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Give it a try ed, what do you have to loose.
Oh yah, your EGO
Oh yah, your EGO
lol this one cracks me up too. It is one of the believer insults, I got this one earlier. You do not know me and if you did you would know that I do not have a big ego.
Only someone with a big ego would get angry at people for not believing this kind of bs, you are so narrow minded.
My views on this matter can be changed with proof or talk of it from a close friend.
Your views will never change, maybe if you actually grow up they will.
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You appear to be afraid to go inward and try it for yourself
Nope I am not afraid at all. I love this line, so many believers/naive people use it as their only insult. If I was scared I wouldn't be here.
You are scared of the real world and the fact that you are not special because you have these powers.
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You would rather have other people do it and then criticise them when they can't explain it to you the way you could understand it.
I would love for other people to do it, but they can't. There is no proof and therefore these powers do not exist.
I can understand a lot more than you from what I have seen you post.
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Give it a try ed, what do you have to loose.
Oh yah, your EGO
Oh yah, your EGO
lol this one cracks me up too. It is one of the believer insults, I got this one earlier. You do not know me and if you did you would know that I do not have a big ego.
Only someone with a big ego would get angry at people for not believing this kind of bs, you are so narrow minded.
My views on this matter can be changed with proof or talk of it from a close friend.
Your views will never change, maybe if you actually grow up they will.
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You say you understand me from what I post and you say I'm scared of the real world. That couldn't be further from the truth. I don't think of myself as special either, I just want to use the talents I have in order to understand the real world better. Your insults are proof to everyone that you have the narrow mind. Besides didn't you state in an earlier post that you get angry with us sometimes. I haven't been around here long but I get the feeling you get irritated alot.
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You say you understand me from what I post and you say I'm scared of the real world. That couldn't be further from the truth.
Silly you, I was proving a point. You were saying I was scared which was blatantly untrue. I reacted and this was the response I got.
Got it? If you say things like that everyone will respond in the same way.
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I don't think of myself as special either, I just want to use the talents I have in order to understand the real world better.
Unlucky then, you will never understand the real world when you are in a dream one.
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Your insults are proof to everyone that you have the narrow mind.
I have not insulted you. I have made quips, there is a big difference and most intelligent people can differenciate between the two.
I do not have a narrow mind. I believe in several things that convential science does not recognise.
I would believe all of this bs if I saw proof. Solid proof.
You are narrow minded because your views regarding this subject are set in stone.
You will not accept that these abilities are unattainable to you, well, unless you grow up.
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Besides didn't you state in an earlier post that you get angry with us sometimes. I haven't been around here long but I get the feeling you get irritated alot.
You are right, you haven't been around here for long and you don't know me. I rarely get irritated, if I do it is at people in the conspiracy forum and when peoples views violate what I consider a decend moral ground.
People like you do not irritate me. I could go into what effect you do have on me, but that would be going into insults
Hey ed, try looking into it for yourself instead of always wanting other people to prove it to you.
You can do it, yes you can.
You can do it, yes you can.
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jul 19 2005, 02:30 PM)
Hey ed, try looking into it for yourself instead of always wanting other people to prove it to you.
You can do it, yes you can.
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Hahaha no-one will ever provide proof, but I must persist. Hopefully one sensible and coherent believer will come on one day offering proof.
I take it you are not offering proof. I will look at my table to see why...
I cannot do it, and unfortunately neither can you.
Why do you always say that we are trying to be special? What's so special about something everybody can do? We never try to be or say we are"special" except for the immature teenagers that just want something to say.
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Why do you always say that we are trying to be special? What's so special about something everybody can do?
Funny that, since you cannot do it, nor can your provide the proof.
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We never try to be or say we are"special" except for the immature teenagers that just want something to say.
So you are not just an immature teenager claiming to have powers, but not giving us evidence? Ok then.
I believe in some of these "abilities," others, no. But, with proof and theory, I'd be willing to accept anything. Im not sceptical about things just for the sake of being sceptical, but because of a lack of evidence and theory.
Exactly.
I'm 100% willing to provide proof. But you'd call spinning a psi-wheel in which ever direction I wanted under an air tight BS. But sure, as soon as I get a camera I'll post something up.
I seriously doubt you will post anything, and if you do, what would it be likely to show?
When you do get a cam GhostDJR, show the set up. Show the table from all around. Then place the needle and psi wheel there. SHow us taht the wheel isnt effected by magnets. Get a glass jar, show us that it is solid. Tape the jar over everything securly, and show us that no air can get in. If you show us everything in complete detail, we would be more inclined to believe you.
MR ED how unfortunate that you would be so ignarent HA HA HA Fast Read Meditate Chant Draw geometric shapes and maybe light will shed on you, personally i dont necessarily beleive im not special ive only met four people with psi powers and they are nothing like "normal" people. they are all members of the same families (2 different ones including me) they are all reclusive and interested in the occult and our psi energy is mostly meditative and influential.
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MR ED how unfortunate that you would be so ignarent HA HA HA
How unfortunate for you that few people like an idiot who can't spell properly and isn't funny.
What? Is your post meant to sway me?
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MR ED how unfortunate that you would be so ignarent HA HA HA Fast Read Meditate Chant Draw geometric shapes and maybe light will shed on you, personally i dont necessarily beleive im not special ive only met four people with psi powers and they are nothing like "normal" people. they are all members of the same families (2 different ones including me) they are all reclusive and interested in the occult and our psi energy is mostly meditative and influential.
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People like you are the reason there are skeptics. Be more serious and take a class on spelling and grammar. If you're going to defend something that you beleive in defend it properly.
Umm....cast judgment upon yourself before casting it on others. Read the title of this thread and you will see what I mean.
But, I do agree with you
But, I do agree with you
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