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whoa182
London - Before he was a year old, he could recite the alphabet and knew how to count.

At 13 months, he had learnt to read and was on his way to speaking both English and French. His favourite bath-time game was doing his sums.

Now six, Matthias Hoffman-Vagenheim is learning Mandarin and studying Hebrew.

This week it was revealed that Mensa had just made him one of its youngest members after tests showed that he had an IQ of 152, putting him in the top two percent of his age group in Britain. The average is 100.

"I think this is fantastic because not many people get into it," he said.

According to his mother, Hélène, a French translator, Matthias showed he was different from the moment he was born.

"Even as a baby he was very alert and he could focus his eyes on things in a better way than other babies," she said.

"At home Matthias has always spoken French with me. It's my first language – so he has always been bilingual.

"I think that provided him with the right structure in his brain to absorb more information.

"He could read at 13 months. And when he was two-and-a-half he was sitting on the counter at the news agents with The Times next to him – and he started to read that."

But she insisted: "We don't push him at all. We have just allowed Matthias to lead us to what he wanted to do.

"If anything, I distract him, so after school I try to balance academic subjects with silly things, like trampolining. He is a very good-natured boy. He has many friends... and his biggest achievement is that he is so well-balanced and that's what we want to maintain."

Matthias, who lives with his mother, his father, Lawrence, and little sister in Altrincham, Cheshire, is now turning his talents to the violin, having devoted the last 18 months to Mandarin and Hebrew.

His mother said: "At first I thought learning Mandarin was a bit of a joke but it became a real passion for him and he really wanted to pursue it.

"We found a teacher and he started to learn Mandarin at two-and-a-half.

"He is also learning Hebrew. He started that because he wanted to read the Bible in its original version.

"He learnt the alphabet in a very short time. But numeracy is his special subject."

She said that she had entered him for membership of Mensa as "a bit of a laugh".

"When the letter arrived back I couldn't believe it."

Mensa spokesperson Caroline Garbett said that Matthias's status was confirmed after an independent assessment by an educational psychologist.

Although it made him the youngest member of Mensa in north-west England, he is still not the youngest in Britain.

That accolade is still held by Mikhail Ali who lives in Leeds. Mikhail is three.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&cl...70531835C161833




riotboy555
Crazy kids these days. laugh.gif
final flight
I can't even leaarn french now.
STIX
AMAZING, I predicted children would just keep getting smarter and smarter a couple years ago. Why? because it is a sign of evolution and because of the impending harmonic convergance.
sanchera1978
harmonic convergance... did thank take place already in the 80's

STIX
QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Jul 18 2005, 02:20 PM)
harmonic convergance... did thank take place already in the 80's
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According to the mayans (who are correct) we will reach the end of the great cycle (ultimatley the rotation of our galaxy) on dec 24 2012 (depending on how you convert the calendars)
Catrat
Smart people annoy me so much haha. I had a friend who tried out for Mensa and was like two points off getting in or something, they're going to give her a retest.
That's a lot of languages, and that kid is going to go far.
seeking
most prodigys die young, cant go that far if your dead


just a statistic i thought id throw out there
Happy Zanda
We're not going to evolve again for a looooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg time....
I hope you all realise that.
This child obviously is very special, in the same respect as Einstien.
I'm predicting he's going to have the same problem as Einstien.
Phenomanal at some things, awful at others.
I can't remember the mental condition it comes under.
Raptor
QUOTE(Happy Zanda @ Jul 19 2005, 07:40 AM)
We're not going to evolve again for a looooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg time....
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blink.gif We're evolving now. Evolution is gradual, it doesnt just happen like every 2000 years or whatever you're thinking.
Mr Ed
Well he may be very, very intelligent, but what I want to know is, is he inventive...
Gmac1000
Genuis infants are more common than you think, they are believed to be a product of multible incarnations each time maintaining knowlage from that lifetime stored in their sub-conscious.
Mr Ed
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they are believed to be a product of multible incarnations each time maintaining knowlage from that lifetime stored in their sub-conscious.


Who says this?
FreyKade
yes intelligence is one thing. but does he have the creativity to be inventive. could yeild some good stuff. otherwise he is completely usless. unless you want to win a pub quiz
whoa182
QUOTE(Happy Zanda @ Jul 19 2005, 06:40 AM)
We're not going to evolve again for a looooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg time....
I hope you all realise that.
This child obviously is very special, in the same respect as Einstien.
I'm predicting he's going to have the same problem as Einstien.
Phenomanal at some things, awful at others.
I can't remember the mental condition it comes under.
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We are guiding our own evolution now. Each process or stage in evolution took less and less time.

Evolution works through indirection. You create something and then work through that to create the next stage. And for that reason, the next stage is more powerful, and happens more quickly. And that has been accelerating ever since the dawn of evolution on this planet

The first stage of evolution took billions of years. DNA was being created and that was very significant because it was like a little computer, and an information processing method to store the results of experiments, and to build up a knowledge base from which it could then launch experiments and codify the results.

The subsequent stages of evolution happened much more quickly. The Cambrian Explosion only took a few tens of millions of years to establish the body plan to evolve animals

Humanoids evolved over many millions of years, and Homo sapiens over only hundreds of thousands of years. And there again, evolution used the products of its evolutionary processes, which was Homo sapiens, to create the next stage, which was human-directed technology, which really is a continuation of the cutting-edge of the evolutionary process on earth, for creating more intelligent systems.


This meaning the next giant significant leap in human directed evolution is going to be augmenting humans. Changing our genes, becoming more intelligent, poweful, resistent to more diseases etc... I doubt there will be many that can say they are full human by the end of this century because a number of emerging technologies are very close that could have major impacts.


PLEASE READ THIS THREAD

You're not good enough!

Human evolution is now being engineered. Choose to enhance yourself or face inferiority



http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=0&#entry741835
TooFarGone
QUOTE(final flight @ Jul 18 2005, 02:56 PM)
I can't even leaarn french now.
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Same here........ no.gif no.gif
STIX
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 19 2005, 02:04 AM)
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they are believed to be a product of multible incarnations each time maintaining knowlage from that lifetime stored in their sub-conscious.


Who says this?
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I actually agree with that statement... I think most people are reincarnated, I think I am, I've never known about a previous life, but I've always felt that there was something there before my birth... it's an odd feeling... yes.
JLR
i kinda agree agree i have designed ways wich may or may not work in sustaning life for 4 times as long as it is now but these ideas dident come from me. but some where else.
Potholer
And what are these ways by which you can extend a persons lifespan?
JLR
i wont tell you every thing because its not patented but its bacicly an artifictial organ wich produses stem cells

stem cell = a blank cell wich can become any cell, like a skin cell or blood cell

so when your heart gets tired it will last longer

and if you get cut or some thing like that you will heal twice as fast.

do you understand?
whoa182
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XPyromaniacX
Peridromophilia Unbound:William James Sidis
By Jim Morton

The great geniuses of mankind are often said to be "born ahead of their time." William James Sidis, on the other hand, seems to have been born out of his time completely; on the wrong world, in the wrong dimension. Perhaps someday the world will understand "Willie" Sidis's strange genius, but that day is far off indeed.

Sidis was born in 1898. His father, Boris Sidis, taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. The boy was named after William James, a leading psychologist and brother to author Henry James. Boris argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy Sidis was astounding. By the time he was two, Willie was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society an the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, Professor Daniel Comstock of MIT told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century. From that moment on, William Sidis's world was never the same. Reporters followed his every move. He was a celebrity. His classmates treated him indifferently. The boy kept to himself, walking to his classes alone.

Suddenly Sidis realized his intellect was not admired; it was stared at. He wasn't merely intelligent; he was a freak. Within a year, the boy suffered a nervous breakdown. The boy was taken to his father's Psychotherapeutic Institute and treated. A few months later, Willie was back at Harvard, studying as diligently as ever.

He graduated cum laude at the age of sixteen. In 1918, he began teaching mathematics at Rice University in Texas. The annoyance of constant media attention finally took its toll. Quitting his teaching post, the young man moved back to Boston and, after a notorious arrest at a socialist march, disappeared from sight.

In 1924, a reporter found him in New York City, working in a Wall Street office for menial pay. Sidis told the reporter that he was not the boy-wonder he once was. He wanted anonymity and a menial job that made no demands on him. Soon afterwards, he dropped out of sight again.

As an adult, Sidis had one great passion. A passion that has intrigued psychologists and writers for years. Sidis spent hours every day in search of street car transfers. He would chase them through windy lots, chisel them from icy sidewalks and rescue them from rainy gutters. During his lifetime, he collected over two thousand of them, all different.

In 1926, he published a book on the subject of his hobby. The book, Notes on the Collection of Transfers, is, to say the least, esoteric. Sidis filled it with page after page of detailed information on how the transfers are interpreted, how to use them to their best advantage and the techniques used by the devoted "peridromophile" (his term for a someone who collects street car transfers) to find abandoned transfers. For those with merely a passing interest in the subject, he provided a chapter of bad street car jokes. Sidis used the pseudonym, "Frank Folupa" to throw the press off the track, but it did not work. The book was quickly ascribed to him and once again, Sidis had to flee from the curious eyes of the press. Losing himself in the crowded streets of New York City.

Sidis managed to stay out of view for many years after that. Until 1937, when a writer working for New Yorker magazine found him in a run down rooming house in South Boston. Sidis told the reporter that he was no longer the mathematical genius he once was. "The very sight of a mathematical formula," he claimed, "makes me physically ill." When the New Yorker article appeared, Sidis sued for invasion of privacy. Acting as his own attorney, Sidis offered to take an I.Q. test to prove just how normal he was. The suit was thrown out of court.

Again the world forgot about him, until 1944, when, at the age of 46, William James Sidis died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

Several articles and a book have been written about Sidis. All of them point to Boris Sidis as the misguided mastermind behind Willie's fall. Boris Sidis, the writers argue, by depriving the boy of a "normal" childhood, turned him into a freak, incapable of ever fitting comfortably into society.

It's a neat argument. It follows the accepted pattern of parental folklore. It sounds logical, but it's all wrong. In the first place, contrary to popular belief, Boris Sidis was not a slave driver coaxing his son to "learn, learn learn!" Rather, he used positive reinforcement to encourage his son's exploration of subjects that interested him. The knowledge the boy gained was based not on his father's iron will, but on the boy's own curiosity. Boris Sidis was one of the leading psychologists of his day, he knew the dangers of indoctrination and parental aggression.

In the second place, Sidis had little difficulty fitting into society. He found jobs easily and always worked hard. If he moved from one job to another, it was because of the press; or because someone at this job recognized him. Whenever he was recognized, his employers quickly sought to take advantage of mathematician in their midst, but Sidis no longer wanted to be that mathematician. If he used his talent at math, he wanted no strings attached. At one establishment, his knowledge of mathematics led him to completely rework their statistical tables. The bosses were impressed and tried to get him to use his talent for their advantage. Sidis soon quit.

"All I want to do is run an adding machine, but they won't leave me alone."

Sidis was only a failure in terms of goals assigned to him by others. If he did not become "the greatest mathematician of the century," as Professor Comstock predicted, the failure lies in Comstock's skill as a prognosticator, not in Sidis's refusal to live up to the prediction. One thing is certain: Sidis's knowledge of street car transfers is unexcelled. He was, and is, the greatest peridromophile in history. For this, we salute him.

Source

James William Sidis is one of the most famous child prodigies in history and I was always intrigued by that. And 152 is not Einstein's IQ. It is certainly higher.
whoa182
Really interesting XPyromaniacX thanks for posting that! original.gif
whoa182
His IQ was estimated at between 250 and 300

http://www.answers.com/topic/william-james-sidis

WOOOOOW
Ashley-Star*Child
I had my I.Q. tested as part of a medical study at the age of 7 like I've said on here before, and got the score of 210, so I don't find this all that surprising.
starlitkate
Wow, I bet his parents must be really proud. I'am glad they are balancing his life with play time as well as study time. Because I can't stand seeing people push they're kids. Like for instance kids aren't supposed to have to know the ABC's until 4 which is the age on the flash cards and books. So I sometimes feel bad when my 2 yr. old don't know all hers and there is a kid a few months older than her that can. But I let her evolve on her own and know if I don't push her and give her time and work with her, that in all due time, she will know all there is to know.
Anyone ever seen that kid that can lift like twice his weight?? They show him on tv all the time. That disgusts me seeing how his father never let him play outside or how his mother was making him into Arnold S. at starting age of like 6 months. It's sick and makes me feel sick seeing how his most his food is liguid and vitamins. Parents like that outta get a reality check. Nothing wrong with wanting the best for your kid or advancing them a little, but it can go overboard sometimes and in some cases.
whoa182
I think its definitly true that speaking 'baby talk' does slow down speech development for kids.

I've noticed with my cousine a hes grown up over the past 9 years that he was able to have a big conversation even at the age between 1-2. His mother and father has always spoke to him in a proper way. They give him good nutrition and make sure he gets everything he needs. Hes probably now the most intelligent young person I know.
Mr Ed
I don't think IQs actually mean a great deal, you can have massively high IQ and not be inventive, creative and possibly socially retarded.

Of course some people have it all.
snuffypuffer
I know, I know. I'm a freak of nature, I admit. tongue.gif
Mr Ed
Eh? You are clever and socially retarded? grin2.gif
Shivel
QUOTE
We're not going to evolve again for a looooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg time....
I hope you all realise that.


Haha laugh.gif
That's extremely funny, as if evolution just decides to happen one day at random. The person who commented after you was right, it's gradual, we evolve slowly over time. Still, it's kind of funny having a 13 year old tell a bunch of adults whats what when he must know very little about the subject. tongue.gif
JohnnyBoyC
Since the Japenese go to school for there whole lives, they learn how to do crossword puzzles in the Tokyo Tribune at the age of 1. Lol the japenese are so weird. Read Janiels Little Message:

"Im not a Japenese Schoolchild so I can't type 80wpm on a cell phone with my thumbs"

Lol
Megalomania
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Jul 19 2005, 03:18 AM)
London - Before he was a year old, he could recite the alphabet and knew how to count.

At 13 months, he had learnt to read and was on his way to speaking both English and French. His favourite bath-time game was doing his sums.

Now six, Matthias Hoffman-Vagenheim is learning Mandarin and studying Hebrew.

This week it was revealed that Mensa had just made him one of its youngest members after tests showed that he had an IQ of 152, putting him in the top two percent of his age group in Britain. The average is 100.

"I think this is fantastic because not many people get into it," he said.

According to his mother, Hélène, a French translator, Matthias showed he was different from the moment he was born.

"Even as a baby he was very alert and he could focus his eyes on things in a better way than other babies," she said.

"At home Matthias has always spoken French with me. It's my first language – so he has always been bilingual.

"I think that provided him with the right structure in his brain to absorb more information.

"He could read at 13 months. And when he was two-and-a-half he was sitting on the counter at the news agents with The Times next to him – and he started to read that."

But she insisted: "We don't push him at all. We have just allowed Matthias to lead us to what he wanted to do.

"If anything, I distract him, so after school I try to balance academic subjects with silly things, like trampolining. He is a very good-natured boy. He has many friends... and his biggest achievement is that he is so well-balanced and that's what we want to maintain."

Matthias, who lives with his mother, his father, Lawrence, and little sister in Altrincham, Cheshire, is now turning his talents to the violin, having devoted the last 18 months to Mandarin and Hebrew.

His mother said: "At first I thought learning Mandarin was a bit of a joke but it became a real passion for him and he really wanted to pursue it.

"We found a teacher and he started to learn Mandarin at two-and-a-half.

"He is also learning Hebrew. He started that because he wanted to read the Bible in its original version.

"He learnt the alphabet in a very short time. But numeracy is his special subject."

She said that she had entered him for membership of Mensa as "a bit of a laugh".

"When the letter arrived back I couldn't believe it."

Mensa spokesperson Caroline Garbett said that Matthias's status was confirmed after an independent assessment by an educational psychologist.

Although it made him the youngest member of Mensa in north-west England, he is still not the youngest in Britain.

That accolade is still held by Mikhail Ali who lives in Leeds. Mikhail is three.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&cl...70531835C161833
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Wow, that's stupid!

I have an IQ of 165, and I am not doing all those things.
I even took an IQ test today, at the doctor's, and that was the result.

And how can the average IQ of all babies be 100, when the average IQ of all humans is 90? Hmm? Babie's brains aren't fully developed yet for Christ's sake!

Here are my sources:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000953.html

Overall, I name this thread POINTLESS.


I like to pride myself over having such a high IQ.
Thanks for the boasting rights.
whoa182
I doubt that your real IQ is 165 and I believe that probably almost everyone here has an IQ under 130.

I name you > a liar < replacement 100.

Deaths Hand
i can speak french. i began studying it at 12 cuz of 6th grade french class but thats way different. i know how to say hello in hebrew and thats it. shalom! i think... unsure.gif
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