A few new pages have been added to our web site. These topics in my opinion are serious issues in the field today. Im sure not everyone is going to like the opinions on the pages but I would like to point out that they were not done as an attack on anyone. I believe that the only way we can progress and get the answers we are seeking is to accept the facts even if it goes against what we thought was true or real.

Anyways any thoughts or comments are welcomed.

Heres a link to the paranormal topics page. The pages I am talking about are under the header "Alternative Kinds of Ghost Hunting."

http://upia0.tripod.com/topics.html


Enjoy,
Jeremy Wiley
The United Paranormal Investigators Association

So, I am guessing that your point here is that none of those things can be used in ghost hunting?

I didnt believe that they could, although I do believe that ouija boards are evil.

I dont think proving ghosts is something anyone can do for anyone else. Not really.

I mean, that everyone has to experience it for themselves before they really believe in them. Most people....not all people. LOL!

So I think the methods used to find or experience ghosts or things of that nature is a moot point. If you believe it happend to you...no one is going to be able to convince you otherwise. No matter what means you used to achieve that experience or DIDNT use to experience it.

But by the same token, you cant make any believe you saw a ghost just because the WAY you saw it.

Does that make sense??

I just know for me that I somewhat believe in ghosts and I KNOW I believe in demonic spirits...(have seen proof of this!) I dont know 100% and I wont until I see one for myself. Real. Not online or in a book or heard it in a story. But flat out experience it for myself. I am not really out there trying to make it happen though so I am not expecting too much. LOL!

The purpose of those pages were not to say that they do not work but that they are not reliable sources as evidence of a spiritual presence. I know of several people that were less then believers but after presenting evidence to them they now believe in ghosts. I personally do not feel ouija boards are evil. I do know that the belief of them being evil is a popular one on here so I am sure I will get some comments on that one but the same people that normally spout out that is pure evil and it opens gateways normally have nothing but their personal encounters as proof. Then they normally ask for hard evidence to support others claims. Evil is a perception. I have been on thousands of hunts and investigations and have yet to consider anything I have encountered to be pure evil. Angry and aggressive spirits yes but evil no. I have been physically and mentally attacked numerous times by spirits but I do not believe them to be demons. Where others who have had similar encounters explain it as a demon. I m not attacking your beliefs only stating that its a form of perception.

Thank you for your thoughts on the pages.
Jeremy Wiley
The United Paranormal Investigators Association

Oh, I dont think you are attacking my beliefs.

It's fine. I wanted to open the discussion so I put my two cents in after reading those pages.

There are just SO many different ideas and theories and none of them are really 100% wrong or right.

Everyone has a belief, idea, opinion, theory. Being able to discuss them and share them is what is important.

I have a question for you then though.

How do you feel, or what do you know, about demonic possession?

I have never investigated a demonic possession or spoken to anyone that had a credible story of being possessed. There fore I can only base my opinions on the matter from my experience with what some claim to be demons that I have encounted in my investigations. Do demons exist? yes and no in my opinion. I do believe there are dark entities that wish the living harm. I normally refrain form calling them demons as I am not much a follower to the bible and when you say the word demon people assume what is protrayed in the moives and in the bible. For the sake of this conversation I will just go ahead and refer to them as demons. Now since they do exist the question is can they enter our bodies and control them. I believe if you and when I say you I mean you your soul which is one in the same is a weak enough and let them then yes a demon may be able to control certian aspects of your body. Although I have never seen a case that could not be explained by other means. I believe many of the the possessions are no more then mental and emotional disorders. These people know of the belief of possession and that gives them a avenue to express the probelm. And if they believe that they are possessed then when a exocism takes place they might release themselves of the disorder beliveing that the demon is gone. Im not saying they are all crazy or that they fake it. Although I am sure some have done fakes, many honestly believe they have a demon in them. If a exorcism works for them then by all means continue to do so. Until a possession can be documented with some kind of evidence beyond taking the victums word for it then I belive it rarely if ever happens.

What about you? What do you believe?
Jeremy Wiley
The United Paranormal Investigators Association

Well, I dont know what I believe. I used to go to a non-denominational church and when I was barely a teenager the pastor called for people who wanted to be prayed for to come down front.

He started praying for this one woman and she started growling, hissing, screaming and so on. So he starts "casting out" the demon.

Now, this was the first time most of in the church had seen anything like that but not the first time he had done this. Just the first time he had done it in a public setting.

Well, we really scared so my mother made him come talk to all the kids and teenagers about what had just happend. Some thought the demon was running around looking for someone else to jump into. LOL!

Anyway, this was just the first time I saw something like that. There is also the debate about being possessed as opposed to be oppressed.

Um, I dont know what I believe about it though. I think some people just act it up for attention. I have seen that happen a lot.

So I guess I just dont know. I have been taught that demon possession is quite possible for people who arent saved. But if you are saved you can only be oppressed. Dont know if I believe that either.

Although, having been raised Baptist and then changing to non-denominational, most of those people would probably think that I am demon possessed just because I find all this "stuff" interesting. They would probably be praying for me right now if they knew I was on this website. LOL!

I believe in demonic posession only because I have no other explanation for people like Joseph Duncan, the Level 3 registered sex offender who kidnapped Shasta and Dylan Groene and killed their family. He spoke of demons in his rants (blogging the 5th nail). I can't think of anything else that would cause someone to want to harm children and other innocent people... He seemed to enjoy it, but also seemed to struggle with his conscience. He video taped several attemps to kill both children, but each time some gesture by the child stopped him, which led me to believe that he was fighting something evil inside himself that was stronger than the good.

I will have to say that I believe pretty close to what you believe for the most part. I think a lot of the "evil" perceived is due to the process of the receiver. A good example is a group of people that have investigate a haunted house and get an EVP with what sounded like a snarl or growl. Some thought it was a sign of evil, others thought it was a sign of someone crazy, others thought it was due to the high fever before someone died. We did notice that the "growl" seemed to occur around one of the ghosts we heard regularly. Over time we have come to the conclusion that it is a very small child that was making sound effects. This small child is usually with the woman and this is why it seemed to be an issue with the sanity of this woman. Other groups that go to this same house have reported something evil and I always have to wonder if they are misinterpreting what they hear. I think this happens often, way too often.
Next time you are in a group of people tape record the conversation. Then when you play it back pick three or four words out of a sentence and ask yourself if you had taped this in a vacant building what would you guess this conversation was about.
It will reflect a lot about your own beliefs and general day to day attitude.
Lets just say that you get an EVP that says "didn't make it". Most people recording for EVP's will think this is reference to someone that didn't make it. In fact it could mean that they didn't get all the envelopes addressed before the mailman came by. It could mean ANYTHING, yet some would say it is proof that someone died there.
Since people don't like to read long posts and I have not started with what I really wanted to write, I will shorten it so much that I will probably get many questions. lol
In 1982 I was applying for an EMT job in a small town in Kansas. As I sat answering questions a call came in. I only heard one side of the conversation and I heard Eric (not his real name) say, "two days, is she breathing, has she said anything, well yes it does sound like someone needs to take a look". He then hung up the phone and said that had to be the strangest call he had ever had. The guy also forgot to give him an address or name. A few minutes later the man called back and in less than a minute we were pulling out of the garage headed to a call.
When we arrived it was a small house and this lady had been on the floor of her bedroom for two days. Her pupils were pinpoint and it was hard to get them to react. We left the gurney in the living room and used a scoop cot to move her to the living room where we strapped her down and continued to get vital signs. I was asking her questions trying to figure out if she had any idea what was going on. Eric was on the other side of the of the gurney and I heard him say something unprofessional, so I looked up to see him looking past me at the wall behind me. He said look at the wall. Instead of turning around I looked at the wall behind him. I saw religious crosses and pictures on the wall above the couch. The gurney started to move and I said wait I don't have her secure. He said lets move to the porch and finish. I said no lets finish now, but he said he would not stay and we were moving her. I finally looked behind me to see crucifix upside down and several anti-Christ sayings written on the wall with a felt tip pen. (the one I remember is "live and die with Jesus Christ or live FOREVER with the anti-Christ".) On the porch we stopped to secure her further and before I did anything he was saying nope lets get her in the ambulance. Eric was white as a ghosts (no pun intended). The husband wanted to ride along but Eric said no he would have to follow with another car. I was asking if we had info collected from the husband when a woman pulled up and rushed up to all of us. I assumed this was the woman's daughter and she walked beside the gurney to the ambulance. Just before we got to the ambulance this woman started screaming and asking who this woman was. I asked the woman if this was her mother and she said it looks like it and her mother lived there but this was not her mother. Eric pushed her to the side and asked a bystander to take her away and get her out of there. It was about this time when the other EMT with Eric gave the vital signs the second time and Eric (a paramedic) said it didn't make since and to take them again once we were in the ambulance with the doors closed. The reason he wanted off the porch was because of a sign hanging on the porch. There were actually two, one that gave the hours someone could bring a wielding job for this man to do. The other said, "Satan reigns", then on the chained plaques hanging below included the date of that day. Now the question most of you probably have right now is "what were you thinking". Well I was thinking "head case", problem was I wasn't sure if Eric or this woman had the biggest problem. You have to remember here I was just going for an interview and now I am sitting in the back of this ambulance speeding down the hiway trying to help treat this woman. Mean time this other EMT has taken two more sets of vitals and called them into the hospital. First a woman then a man comes across the radio asking us to take the vitals again saying there has to be an error within the vitals. I was asked to take vitals, which I did. As I gave them to Eric (driving) I heard him relay the info to the hospital over the radio. If this scene isn't bazaar enough we are exiting one hiway to another when we hit a natural dip in the road. The woman all of a sudden opens her eyes wide and tries to sit up. Over and over she is saying "he's here, he's here". The other EMT looked at me then seemed to kind of sit back like she had no idea what to do now. I grabbed this lady's hand and told her to lay down no one was there but us and even if they were they would have to go through me to get to her. Probably not a real comfort if she was talking about the devil but I tried. I then recall hearing Eric on the radio again yelling at the hospital staff. He said three of us have taken vitals now and we have all gotten the same thing, we are NOT pulling off to the side of the road to take another set of vitals for you, we stand behind the vitals already given, our ETA is 10 to 15 minutes, have a team ready. I continue to talk to this woman and again returned to my standard set of questions. She answered the same number of questions correctly but missed some of the questions she had answered correctly earlier others she had missed she was able to answer, not unusual really in itself. We arrive at the hospital and are met by some just getting out of the ambulance. By the time we get through both sets of doors I am the only ambulance crew still with this woman. There were two people getting vitals and one taking down information and one asking me about what I know and if family will be here soon. I still remember this fairly tall large woman coming through double swing doors coming right at us. The two that have taken vital signs look up and give the EXACT same vitals we had been giving for 45 minutes, the same vitals they were telling us were impossible. The nurse said matter of fact, "this is the possible possession"? I at this time stopped walking with the woman and said I was turning her over to them and needed to finish my paperwork. I walked over to Eric and asked if we waited for them to bring back the gurney or what the process was at this point. I also asked what information had been given over the radio. He looked at me and I repeated myself, what information did you give over the radio? He swears all he gave was vital signs and ETA. I do remember one of the hospital staff asking for her name so I know they didn't just know this person from past events. She didn't have any identification and at the time I turned her over to the staff her family had not arrived. I still don't know why that nurse rushed up and asked me if this was a possible possession. I still believe that a very disturbed upset individual is capable of causing their own body to do strange things. I got the job, Eric (thought I had nerves of steel) but didn't stay there long. We do know that they found no traces of drugs of any kind in her system and they could find nothing wrong with her as of two days after we transported her. I still think it was a "head case" but then maybe I am too much into denial. I am sure if I were to write a report the title would be "my EMT interview with the Bible thumper and Head Case".
I guess I still don't believe she was possessed, yet on my more open minded days I wonder if I am not the "head case" for not taking it more serious.
I wish I could remember what was so unusual about the vital signs but I really don't remember anything more than the pupils being constricted and somewhat fixed or sluggish. I know the pulse and blood presser were off but don't remember how or which way. Sorry for the long story but you made me remember and took time to think a little. Just another one of those that makes me say, hummm.

Thanks for the information This will help alot since Im a noob in ghost hunting

So you think that just because someone does something horrific that they are possessed? You sound a bit sheltered and nieve, some people just have problems and they are usually found to me a mental disorder. Besides, if he talks about demons or anything else like that, that means he can plead insanity. He would not be the first to get caught for something really bad and made themselves sound crazy because they know they are guilty and and going to do time, so they are trying to make it as easy on themselves as possible.