XPyromaniacX
Jul 20 2005, 06:44 AM
The Global Psychic InfluenceThis is a link to an artical about random number generators and experiments involving them. According to the studies found by 75 or more scientists the human mind can supposedly influence random number generators. Random number generators regularly spew out a random string of 1's and 0's. According to the laws of chance, they should turn out equally. These scientists brought in several random strangers and asked them to concentrate on the box, and almost every time there would be a shift in the patterns coming out. This article also addresses the flow of time and the supposed "Global Consciousness". The 60+ boxes that were linked together would suddenly shift in patterns before major global events, such as 9/11 and the 2004 Tsunami. This intrigued me, seeing as it addresses that time could flow backwards and everyone could be connected on one gigantic "Global Consciousness".
Insight
Jul 20 2005, 06:53 AM
A fun theory, for sure, but there really isn't anything to back it up with. I've heard the same old stuff about global consciousness, and young people's desires for power, but really, what are your sources for this post?
Could you provide us with an experiment which supports your claims?
XPyromaniacX
Jul 20 2005, 06:58 AM
QUOTE(Insight @ Jul 19 2005, 10:53 PM)
A fun theory, for sure, but there really isn't anything to back it up with. I've heard the same old stuff about global consciousness, and young people's desires for power, but really, what are your sources for this post?
Could you provide us with an experiment which supports your claims?
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In my opinion the article I linked in the beginning of the post had significant experiment data and records to support such a claim.
Insight
Jul 20 2005, 07:06 AM
That's fair enough.
Of course, anyone with a creative mind could write such claims and back it up by having it posted on a "reputable website". However, the real question would be, "why would someone do that"?
It reminds me of a bizzare website I came accross some years ago. It was a massive site, with scientiffic reports, articles, and chemical formula's, and describing how there were certain psychoactive chemicals in various organs of a pig. That's right, it claimed certain pig organs would get you high like LSD. The site was professionally made. It had commentaries from scientists froms "esteemed" universities to support it.
And yet, the entire thing was false. Not a bit of it was true. I only found out because at the time I have a bit of a problem with hallucinogenics, and me and a friends of mine did quite the exhaustive study on it. After consolodating our efforts, we managed to debunk the site openly. It eventually became sort of an urban phenomena, before bveing completely run under.
My point is, media controls what we learn, and how we think. Who ever controls that, controls us. Now, the government has only been wanting to control every single aspect of our lives since the beginning of time. And with current technology, they are capable of getting away with more than ever before. As are a finge group of computer nerd/artists who want to convince people ingesting pig hormones will give you an LSD like high.
Anyways, I digress.
Interesting articles, if nothing else.
INSIGHT
XPyromaniacX
Jul 20 2005, 07:19 AM
It may very well be false. It doesn't appear to be but your point on "reputable websites" could very well apply to many sites. This may be full of lies but the point about concentrating on random number generators could change their results could possibly suggest evidence on certain psychic abilities. I'm not claiming that suddenly everybody's psychic and that we can all control the weather and get x-ray vision, but it could possibly provide future insight into psychic abilities. Your comment about the media controlling us and the government controlling the media was true but if we get started on that this thread could very well turn into us uncovering a giant government conspiracy which they would then have to cover up on the news...
Bio-Mage
Jul 20 2005, 09:41 AM
I am not sure what they mean by concentrating on the box....and how the pattern changes exactly? There is equally chance for that change to occur without the people "influencing" the box in the first place. How can they be sure its not random?
I read a bit on similar articles realting to a collective conciouness, but it refered to the inherit ability biologically to make sense of things we had no training on. Like use devices that cannot be deciphered by just using our instinctive handling skills.
SurvivalChuck
Jul 20 2005, 10:17 AM
The Global Consciousness Project can be found at a
Princeton site.
Psychokinesis and
Retropsychokinesis sites can be found all over. When one looks at things statistically and how things fare against chance, one can see when there is something that is not normal, which means that it would not fit a normal curve statistically speaking. Utts looked at Remote Viewing by statistical means and found that the viewers could not achieve what they did by chance alone. With psychokinesis, one is trying to affect the random output from a computer. If one can do so against chance, then he is suppose to be showing a paranormal ability. The problem with this is that more than one experiment needs to be done and that each experiment needs to be above chance and also be consistent. According to these studies with random people given more than random chances to affect an outcome should show that psychokinesis exists, but people will always have some excuse for why it shouldn't even if the data shows that there is. People want concrete evidence and not something above chance. I personally don't mind something above chance.
The Global Consciousness Project is a different story than the psychokinesis studies. Even though there is is data linked with large-scaled global events, there is similar data where numbers become non-random and similar to the global events where either nothing happens and/or nothing can be linked to the data. The data is not consistent and most often discarded. You can't do this with a true study. It's interesting none the less.
unknown
Jul 26 2005, 03:56 PM
Welcome back, Insight.
http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/This experiment is good proof for me that there realy is global Conciousness. It is also interesting that only 1% of population in the area is needed to create effect.
I read somewhere that it's because when more then one person meditated, their energy isnt just added together, but multiplied by itself. But dont quote me on that one...
But realy... if the experiment has proved so succesfull, then why hasn't the information been more widespread all over and used in violent cities like New York. Maybe then we wouldn't have as many cops there and no martial Law. I mean the experiment was started over a decade ago.

On the same note, I wonder what effects the pentograms in DC are having on the general population there? or the pentagon?

I'm sure it's nothing to wory about though.
SurvivalChuck
Jul 26 2005, 06:15 PM
QUOTE(unknown @ Jul 26 2005, 08:56 AM)
Welcome back, Insight.
http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/ if the experiment has proved so succesfull, then why hasn't the information been more widespread all over and used in violent cities like New York. Maybe then we wouldn't have as many cops there and no martial Law. I mean the experiment was started over a decade ago.
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The statistical probability that this result could reflect chance variation in crime levels was less than 2 in 1 billion (p < .000000002). The statistical evidence is very impressive and I'll add that to my list of things to show to people that keep claiming that there is not proof for psychic functioning. The experiment does need to be done a few more times to show replicability. No one will see a city hiring a bunch of TM people just to lower crime though. Will they be held accountable if crime goes back up? How long can a TM group keep crime down?
unknown
Jul 27 2005, 03:59 AM
QUOTE(ChrisV @ Jul 26 2005, 03:15 PM)
The experiment does need to be done a few more times to show replicability. No one will see a city hiring a bunch of TM people just to lower crime though. Will they be held accountable if crime goes back up? How long can a TM group keep crime down?
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Sadly, i dont see that hapening either. One reason for that, is people would just laugh at the idea itself. What does one have to do with the other. I think its similar as to what hapend on 911, there are tons of evidence, but people still cant see through their current beliefs.
How long can it be kept up you ask? If something like this is pushed and advertised alot, maybe more and more people within residents of the city begin participate. Then maybe the number goes from 1% to 2% or 3%. Less crime, general thinking changes and continues to change for the better... Although I still dont see this hapening in our lifetime. Greater change needs to occur the way things are now.
unknown
Aug 3 2005, 01:44 AM
Another though I've had about this for a while now... What effect does TV have on the Global Consciousness? We all have to agree that alot of people watch it. Many have it on all the time, even sleep with it. It's got to have some effect.
Now the question I'm placing is what kind of effect do you think it has? And if not TV, then what else can have a large effect. If 1% of population can reduce the crime rates so much, what effect does something as major in our life as TV have?
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