Maybe not, Mr. Ed but if (when?) it doesn't come to anything then they'll give up and grow out of it.

You really believe you have Aerokinesis? I'm close to the inbetween of skeptic/believer on many things, but if you have aerokensis bend the tree limbs opposite ways of the wind and catch it on video from atleast 3 different angles. Then we're getting somewhere.

I have aerokenesis too. When the wind blows I concentrate and I think I made the wind blow, whoopie, I've got aerokinesis, maybe I'll actually do something good/fantastic/selfish/selfless/honorable/evil with it instead of just claiming to have it.

Why do I ask you to do this? Well, from ""May intelligence, rationale, and logic reign" in your signature, this is just an encouragement to follow something you quoted, unless it is a mock.


I can't wait.


I'll be blunt here, I used to strongly believe in psionics. From the mouth of someone who has tried it before, don't start at all.

hi im another believer but im in the pyrokinesis b/c i comanded 3 lit candles to stop and they all went out at the same time! and i never knew about this amazing subject before my best friend told me and there was no wind where i was and he and i are pyromaniacs so we werent breathing into the flames! so pls help me understand do i have the ability or not?

People would be able to help you if you cleaned up your English just a bit, but it sounds like you don't have pyrokinesis. Even if you did, you have to base your claim on dozens of unexplainable events, not just one candle going out. The power of want and desire always snuffs the power of reason and logic, much like the candle.

yea but what u didnt read was taht in that quote i put 3 lit candles not only one so dont give me this negative stuff it isnt helping me with my question! so unless u have an answer for my question dont give me ur negative attitude.......

You're not going to like this, not one bit.

Without negativity, you are always correct. If there isn't someone to deny your fantastic absolution, you will always be correct. My answer? You don't have any special ability. You are human, relative to an ape. You are an animal. You are mortal. You are yourself, and not a super hero. Nothing less, nothing more.

i dont want to be a superhero i am happy just the way that i am and furhthermore i respect what you are saying but unless u are completely all knowning which i doubt .... highly.... then u have no idea what is a true ability and what isnt .....

If you are completely happy with yourself than the your so called psionic ability is meaningless. You don't need super powers to feel special. Besides, no one is all knowing, so none but the arrogant claim to know true ability. In that case, everyone that will help you develop your power must be either arrogant, or completely ignorant.

ok the raven......i respect where you are coming from and i get this all the time b/c ur like my best friend a very deep skeptic.... anyway what im trying to say is that maybe instead of trying to tell people that there is no such thing you should talk and watch a kinesis practicioner like me a pyrokinesis practicioner and watch what they do and you should then make up your mind but untill you have seen the impossible then you are almost as lost as i am everyday which is pretty lost so i think that you should learn about what you are dissin before you diss it! its not your enthuasism about this topic and being a skeptic its just the fact that you have no idea waht you are talking about that pisses me off the most! so you might as well get it straight before you try to outdo me..... b/c i hve thought of every possible reason not to believe in kinesis but i cant find one that truly turned down the subject since i have seen it done!

You just called yourself a pyrokinesis practioner. I guess you don't need my help since you are the all knowing who already believes they have the power, even though they are asking others for help. Truth doesn't suck, truth just hurts those who are not ready, or able, to accept it.

I know what I am talking about. I follow the rules of logic and reasoning. I never said "I'm 100% sure you are totally wrong, and that I am 100% right."

well then this must be a first time for you b/c i have seen it done and it is real... so dont try to persuade me and break me b/c its not gunna happen b/c my best friend is gunna help and teach me through this but i wanted to get some input from a true believer and not a skeptic. so when you are a true believer then you have the reason to truely hold a decent conversation with me.

and yes i called my self a practicioner b/c i am and no im not all knowing b/c im still dont understand all the unexplained things so pls talk to me when you are ready to look at it through my point of view!

I see quite an arrogant one here. If you did not feel something powerful from my input then you should naturally feel no need to continue fighting your point. First you want to know if you have it or not, then you call yourself a practitioner, and then you say you have a teacher. I see a bad future through my dark, raven crystal ball.

Desire clouds reason.
"Passion RULES reason." T. Goodkind

i dont really feel like arguing but in this case unless you look at it from my point of view i can go on forever!

The duty of a "true" scientist -- as well as anyone that uses logic and reason -- is to have an accurate debate, with accurate claims must choose to view both and all points of view equally.

If I hadn't have looked at it through your point of view, I would have flamed at you. Think of this as a lesson; grow from it, and even more, grow up.

ok here's the deal im just realizing this and i just wanted to know if true believer think that i might have the ability and yea i call my self a practicioner b/c i am! and yes since 5 minutes ago i do have a teacher so pls i am arrogant and i have been called worse but my only question is for treu believers and that is if i really have the ability? so unless you are a true believer pls dont start saying that it isnt real....

Sounds like you have self confidence issues if you can't even trust in something you strongly believe in. No one ever said being proved wrong was easy, and no one ever said that truth didn't hurt.

If you can prove everything I've said wrong and make be a true believer, then I will have been bitten by my own words and stabbed with the truth. So come on, prove that you have the power to not only to control fire, but defeat logic.

for your information im very mature and i have already looked at it from your point of view b/c i am gunna go to college to be a scientist but sometimes logic isnt the very best to go with it is very helpful but in some cases you have to use more than logic and chemicals and books to accomplish things

Really? Logic, reasoning, and knowledge. Oh yes, the last factor is wisdom and the power to tell between desire and need, truth and lie. Name one other valid factor and maybe I'll start to believe in you.

ok here's the problem i am not gunna waste my time trying to make a nonbeliever believe because the truth is that i dont know the last factor and i really dont care b/c its not worth my time trying to persuade you b/c im just trying to prove my point im not trying to start an intellectual war over here im just trying to ask my question and prove my point!

You already have wasted your time, friend. You can't waste your time, prove a point, and convert skeptics at the same time.

so you can say as much as you want but the thing is that i will always believe in what i believe in and im not gunna persuade you b/c its useless and anyway what's your problem bring allo this negativity into this forum im just trying to get you to say yes you have a good point and then have someone to answer my question and then i'll b more understanding but this is getting neither of us anywere

well apparentally i have been doing just that now havent i?

You're not going to waste your time? Well what do you think you're doing here. The only way to convince a skeptic is to give cold hard proof. Videos, multiple ones that show your "powers" in action. Then maybe personally viewing. Even then you wouldn't convince a skeptic. And just to let you know, by calling skeptics "nonbelievers", you insinuate a feeling of religion into this, for thats the nickname we skeptics have from the believers in the religious sections.

You have not proven your point. You've proven that you take terrible shortcuts in your typing, that you do as you have said you wouldn't, which would be wasting your time, and that you've already started an intellectual war; Actually to be more correct, you didn't start it, you just added to it. This metaphysics forum is full of people claiming to have powers like you. The skeptics, including myself have yet to see definitive proof of any sort. When you present it, we'll be happy to view it.

ok i completely understand why you don't believe me but oh well b/c i have seen it done myself and i so dont care what you say or believe b/c it's not my business but oh well all that i have to say is that i just need to talk to a true believer that will talk to me that isn't so very hard to get through to im sorry but i am just saying that i know what i'm talking about and you need to try to understand that i know what i have to do to try to get a skeptic to believe. And i'm saying that i just want my point to b acknoliged

Well, what is the point you're trying to make?

If you've seen it done, would you be able to get ahold of a video camera and getting a few clips of it?

that's my only problem is that i want my point to be acknolidged and no one is giving me any hope

Ok, this thread is just turning into (turning into? It was from the start eally) just a big flame war.

To those who posted in this thread, please take a look at how you react with others, because life isn't about being right or wrong..... We should gauge ourselves on the willingness to treat other people with respect, regardless of their views

This thread is now closed.