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Rhomphaia
The Beast of Gevaudan, the lions of Tsavo, the demon bear of Alaska...All of these animals were supposedly real animals (the lions are on display at the Natural History Museum in Chicago) and have shown a singular trait; they developed a taste for human blood and became very good at hunting men. They claimed dozens (and some reports say hundreds) before being brought down.
I would like to open up a discussion about what may motivate these animals to hunt men is such unusual conditions and whether or not they are the only examples of unusually successful man-hunters out there in legend and lore.
JayRob303
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 20 2005, 04:13 PM)
The Beast of Gevaudan, the lions of Tsavo, the demon bear of Alaska...All of these animals were supposedly real animals (the lions are on display at the Natural History Museum in Chicago) and have shown a singular trait; they developed a taste for human blood and became very good at hunting men. They claimed dozens (and some reports say hundreds) before being brought down.
I would like to open up a discussion about what may motivate these animals to hunt men is such unusual conditions and whether or not they are the only examples of unusually successful man-hunters out there in legend and lore.
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The Beast of Gevaudan was never proven to be an animal of nature, but assuming that it was, one of the possibilities was that they were Wolf or Hyena Hybrid dogs trained by the royalty to kill, spiking fear into the public.
The Tsavo Lions were Lion/Tiger hybrids supposedly. The cause for their human appetite was technically due to tooth decay. Their teeth basically had cavities (generalizing), which made killing and eating their natural prey difficult. Humans are a lot 'softer' than say an Antelope or Zebra.
I don't know anything about the 'Demon Bear of Alaska', but I will investigate and get back to ya'.
Shadowsleet
Humans don't tend to be hunted by loins and the like because, in general, these animals have learned to fear humans. In fact, they're quite likely to run away from us - they've simply learned that to kill a human is to commit suicide, as a dozen humans will hunt you down the next day and skin you.

That doesn't mean that predators won't, on occassion, kill and eat people. It is very rare for them to actualy get a taste for us, and hunt us exclusivly (such as the loins in Tsavo).

It could be that these animals kill a man at some point and, suffering no consequences, lose their fear of us. It might even be argued that a hostile encounter with humans drove them to hatred (most animals will flee a stumuli that they have learned to assossiate with death or fear. However, most animals that become maneaters demonstrate behaviour not common to their species, and it is likley that they are simply not the norm).
rickfury188
Is that movie with Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas called The Ghost and the Darkness based on the loins in Tsavo? dontgetit.gif
eveningsky339
What's the demon bear of Alaska?
Shadowsleet
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Is that movie with Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas called The Ghost and the Darkness based on the loins in Tsavo?


Yes.
Panthera leo atrox
The Tsavo lions were not ligers.
Usually animals turn into maneaters when they are unable to catch their normal prey or they get enough experience with humans to loose their fear of them. One Indian tiger killed several people because it was once surprised by a person and killed him. It did not eat him, but it learned that people were easy targets and lost its fear of them.
There are tones of examples of maneaters ranging across all continents and many different species. Although it is a rare and abnormal behavior, it is nonetheless well documented.
AnhZors
http://www.bluelion.org/maneaters.htm

the one at chicago is a different man eater. The interesting things between The Man Eaters Of Tsavo and The Man Eater Of Mfuwe all of them where maneless males, which is very interesting. The man Eaters of Tsavo (note the "s") were both 9 feet long and require 8 men to carrie it.

Another things is that male lions dont hunt and they dont like hanging out with other males.
ABOTU
what's the Alaskan bear?
final flight
I thought that the demon bear was another name for the alskan wolverine not a single man eating creature?
charon
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I thought that the demon bear was another name for the alskan wolverine
True as far as I can find.
The Silver Thong
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html

I think this has something to do with the Demon bear. Sorry can't make the Link.

Ok the link worked wacko.gif


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"This was Demon, who some experts label the '25th Grizzly,' the one that tolerates no man or bear, the one that kills without bias,'' Treadwell wrote. "I had thought Demon was going to kill me in the Grizzly Maze.''

The Silver Thong
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/siren/5...ur_la_bete.html

The Beast of Gevaudan, i think is just a legend,but cool.

Sorry edit due to it was found to be just a wolf.
The Silver Thong
http://www.russelltexas.com/Newspaper/pers...eJuly202003.htm


Alittle bit on the The Tsavo lions. A true story
Rhomphaia
A bit of explaining of the demon bear.
Most Eskimo and Inuit legends tell of a God Bear, a fierce hunter that generally avoids men but blesses the hunt. However, I have heard rarely about a Demon bear which was supposedly a very large polar bear that hunted anything that moved, even other bears.
This bear hunted and kept villages across a wide range in fear until it seemed to simply disappear. This is a legend, so it probably happened quite some time ago and there are no dates.
The Silver Thong
Here is a list of the top 10 deadliest animals. # 1 small and everywhere.....

What a dumb ass i am here's the link

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/top...estanimals.html
charon
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Known for their endurance, a single hunted wolverine was trailed for 40 miles without rest.
Other names for wolverines: devil bear, northern demon, skunk bear, stink bear, carcajou, little bear, glutton.
Their Latin name Gulo means glutton.


Source
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(charon @ Jul 20 2005, 04:15 PM)
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Known for their endurance, a single hunted wolverine was trailed for 40 miles without rest.
Other names for wolverines: devil bear, northern demon, skunk bear, stink bear, carcajou, little bear, glutton.
Their Latin name Gulo means glutton.


Source
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Cool find but not quite the man eater.


Wolverine (Gulo gulo)
Average Size: Average Weight:
Length: 115 cm (up to 3.5 ft). 6.3-18 kg (14-40 lbs).

Average Lifespan: Range:
Can live up to 17 years in the wild. Found in northern Ontario.

The Silver Thong
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 20 2005, 04:12 PM)
A bit of explaining of the demon bear.
Most Eskimo and Inuit legends tell of a God Bear, a fierce hunter that generally avoids men but blesses the hunt. However, I have heard rarely about a Demon bear which was supposedly a very large polar bear that hunted anything that moved, even other bears.
This bear hunted and kept villages across a wide range in fear until it seemed to simply disappear. This is a legend, so it probably happened quite some time ago and there are no dates.
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Your right a demon bear will attack anything, it's a rogue. What I think happens to these animals can be seen in humans as well. IE Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dhumer, Charles Manson ect. It's a crossing of the wires in the brain that make them well Wacko. Polar bears are one of the few animals the will actually hunt humans. So many legends should be out there. wink2.gif
openmind1963
hey,what gives?Jeffery Dahmer is'nt on the list??? thumbsup.gif
Talon
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The Beast of Gevaudan, i think is just a legend,but cool.

Sorry edit due to it was found to be just a wolf.


It wasn't a wolf, wovles don't attack people except in Legend. It was a domestically breed half bred between a wolf and a dog, that why if would attack humans.

It was made in a movie 'Brotherhood of the Wolf' a few years back, I got the movie. In the movie though they beef up the beast into a monster hyena-creature, but in the documentary sections they have story of the real creature anfd the of the theories about where it came and what evidence there was.
There are a lot of theories, the one they feel is most realistic is a half-breed, but they emphatically deny it could have been a wolf.
openmind1963
wolves will attack humans if they are hungry enough,and the person is in the right place,right time for the wolves.
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 20 2005, 04:34 PM)
wolves will attack humans if they are hungry enough,and the person is in the right place,right time for the wolves.
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Talon you are right sorry. I don't think there is a documented attack of a wolf on a human, or a death by a wolf anyway. If there is and it's true please post,anyone.
Talon
We are not their natural prey, official records show attacks and fatalities are rare and only occur if the wolve is rabid, defensive or has entered an area where its natural prey are two few to mantain the population.
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 20 2005, 04:27 PM)
hey,what gives?Jeffery Dahmer is'nt on the list??? thumbsup.gif
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Yes it is look up tongue.gif
Talon
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Talon you are right sorry. I don't think there is a documented attack of a wolf on a human, or a death by a wolf anyway. If there is and it's true please post,anyone


According to this there have been a few 100 fatalities on the last 400 years by wolves. Still its very low considering humans and wolves have often shared the same habitat.

http://www.wolftrust.org.uk/faqpeople.html...20kill%20people

The Silver Thong
QUOTE(Talon @ Jul 20 2005, 04:47 PM)
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Talon you are right sorry. I don't think there is a documented attack of a wolf on a human, or a death by a wolf anyway. If there is and it's true please post,anyone


According to this there have been a few 100 fatalities on the last 400 years by wolves. Still its very low considering humans and wolves have often shared the same habitat.

http://www.wolftrust.org.uk/faqpeople.html...20kill%20people
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Damn I opened my big mouth befor I looked it up myself apology # 2 to Talon DOOH...

and to boot, there in the same thread ohmy.gif

I think thats were i went wrong.

Most fatal attacks were by rabid wolves.
There were few fatal predatory attacks and none in North America.
There were no fatalities when wolves attacked defensively
Talon
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Damn I opened my big mouth befor I looked it up myself apology # 2 to Talon DOOH...


No, I wouldn't worry, I made the same mistake. I only went looking for it when openmind1963 pointed out he;d heard of attacks.
I'd seen a documentary years back were it put the attacks by wolves as closer to a dozen in the last few hundred years. They said it was so rare it was practically only in legend, hence why I said that earlier.
Its a sad day when I find Discovery channel can make mistakes sad.gif
final flight
The dicovery channel can make mistakes? My world is collapsing around me.
Frogs
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 20 2005, 11:12 PM)
A bit of explaining of the demon bear.
Most Eskimo and Inuit legends tell of a God Bear, a fierce hunter that generally avoids men but blesses the hunt. However, I have heard rarely about a Demon bear which was supposedly a very large polar bear that hunted anything that moved, even other bears.
This bear hunted and kept villages across a wide range in fear until it seemed to simply disappear. This is a legend, so it probably happened quite some time ago and there are no dates.
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Ahh - ok, I wondered if this was something like Bergman's Bear or the Irkuiem and the Kamchatkan god-bear. It sounds like it might be similar. Possible they could have been both in Russia and Alaska..

More at this link..

Bergman's Bear

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Rodion Sivobolov, a huntsman living on the shores of the Bering Sea in northern Kamchatka (Russia), revealed another of the world’s cryptozoological mysteries in the late 1980s. Sivobolov had heard native descriptions of a strange bear known as Irkuiem (‘trousers pulled down’) or Kainyn-Kutho (‘god bear’). The Korjak and Chukchi natives described a beast with forelegs far longer than the hind, and a bulge of fat between the hind legs which often reaches to the ground, giving the appearance of a pulled-down pair of pants, and the creature its name. The beast’s numbers were declining, the hunter said, since the introduction of rifles to the area.
Frogs
QUOTE(Talon @ Jul 20 2005, 11:47 PM)
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Talon you are right sorry. I don't think there is a documented attack of a wolf on a human, or a death by a wolf anyway. If there is and it's true please post,anyone


According to this there have been a few 100 fatalities on the last 400 years by wolves. Still its very low considering humans and wolves have often shared the same habitat.

http://www.wolftrust.org.uk/faqpeople.html...20kill%20people
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I think the worse cases as of late have come from India where wolves killed around 50 children in the 90's.

http://www.wolf.org/wolves/learn/scientifi...stracts/003.asp

Info is toward the bottom of the article.
Pilgrim Shadow
What was that Gary Larson cartoon? I think it was a couple of bloated alligators, and one alligator says to the other alligator:
"Mmmm, that was good, no fur, no claws, just soft and pink!"
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I've heard the same about the infamous man-eating tigers in Africa, they had some dental problems so they had to choose weaker and softer targets.

The worst thing to do is to feed big predators. This is true of both bears and alligators. People want to observe these animals, so they lure the bear or the 'gator scraps or marshmallows. Soon the predators associate humans with "feeding time" when they used to run away!
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I can't think of any big predators that under normal circumstances prefer human flesh to other prey.
Tia
QUOTE(Talon @ Jul 20 2005, 11:31 PM)
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The Beast of Gevaudan, i think is just a legend,but cool.

Sorry edit due to it was found to be just a wolf.


It wasn't a wolf, wovles don't attack people except in Legend. It was a domestically breed half bred between a wolf and a dog, that why if would attack humans.

It was made in a movie 'Brotherhood of the Wolf' a few years back, I got the movie. In the movie though they beef up the beast into a monster hyena-creature, but in the documentary sections they have story of the real creature anfd the of the theories about where it came and what evidence there was.
There are a lot of theories, the one they feel is most realistic is a half-breed, but they emphatically deny it could have been a wolf.
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I agree here with Talon.

frogs did they know if the wolves were hybrids or not?

Today wolf/ dog hybrids are becoming popular as pets, but if you do some research into the breed you'll find they can be deadly to children.

Links..... http://www.leerburg.com/wolf2.htm
http://www.wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/children_and_wolfdogs.html
http://www.wildsentry.org/hybrid.html
isis-999
Tia is correct hybirds are not a good idea you are taken the basic nature of a animal and change it into a pet!, My german sheppard, is loving to my children, but i do not truest him, at 105 lbs you can't, so think about a dog that has both genes in it. why would it not attack people, it is the nature of the beast, Cross breading is going to change that fact. no.gif
Bone_Collector
QUOTE(Talon @ Jul 21 2005, 05:01 AM)
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The Beast of Gevaudan, i think is just a legend,but cool.

Sorry edit due to it was found to be just a wolf.


It wasn't a wolf, wovles don't attack people except in Legend. It was a domestically breed half bred between a wolf and a dog, that why if would attack humans.

It was made in a movie 'Brotherhood of the Wolf' a few years back, I got the movie. In the movie though they beef up the beast into a monster hyena-creature, but in the documentary sections they have story of the real creature anfd the of the theories about where it came and what evidence there was.
There are a lot of theories, the one they feel is most realistic is a half-breed, but they emphatically deny it could have been a wolf.
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QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Jul 21 2005, 05:12 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 20 2005, 04:34 PM)
wolves will attack humans if they are hungry enough,and the person is in the right place,right time for the wolves.
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Talon you are right sorry. I don't think there is a documented attack of a wolf on a human, or a death by a wolf anyway. If there is and it's true please post,anyone.
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I never thought anybody felt that Wolves attacking humans was a myth. huh.gif
Wolf attacks on humans happen quite frequently, they generally dont attack full grown adults but they are known to attack kids who are smaller in size when compared to them. There is a lot of documented proof.

Here's one...

The problem of child-lifting by wolves in Hazaribagh West, Koderma and Latehar forest divisions of Bihar State, India, has been evaluated, based on records of the Forest Department, interviews, and a survey. Five wolf packs have created problems in 63 villages.

80 child casualties occurred from April 1993 to April 1995 and only 20 victims were rescued. All the children were taken from settlements primarily during March to August between 17.00 and 19.00 hrs. There were more female victims (58%) than males and 89% were 3-11-yrs old.

Read More

I even remember seeing a 1 hour documentary about these wolf attacks in India on National Geographic.
Frogs
QUOTE(Tia @ Jul 21 2005, 04:21 AM)

frogs did they know if the wolves were hybrids or not?




They were not hybrids. In addition to the articles I saw the same NG show Bone Collector metnioned on the incident.
Tia
^ ok, just thought they might have bred with some of the strays wandering around.
Pilgrim Shadow
It is extremely stupid to breed wolves with domestic dogs!
People have bred dogs for certain traits for thousands of years. One of those traits is not to attack and kill children, for instance. Now you mix the instinct-driven genes of wild animals in with domestics and you don't know what kind of sick surprise you're in for!
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Mr Ed
Man eaters?
What abour Mrs Robinson?

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nick_fury
LMAO damn Mr Ed, you beat me to it, I was gonna make a similar post involving Joan Collins
paranoid conspiracist
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Jul 20 2005, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 20 2005, 04:13 PM)
The Beast of Gevaudan, the lions of Tsavo, the demon bear of Alaska...All of these animals were supposedly real animals (the lions are on display at the Natural History Museum in Chicago) and have shown a singular trait; they developed a taste for human blood and became very good at hunting men. They claimed dozens (and some reports say hundreds) before being brought down.
I would like to open up a discussion about what may motivate these animals to hunt men is such unusual conditions and whether or not they are the only examples of unusually successful man-hunters out there in legend and lore.
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The Beast of Gevaudan was never proven to be an animal of nature, but assuming that it was, one of the possibilities was that they were Wolf or Hyena Hybrid dogs trained by the royalty to kill, spiking fear into the public.
The Tsavo Lions were Lion/Tiger hybrids supposedly. The cause for their human appetite was technically due to tooth decay. Their teeth basically had cavities (generalizing), which made killing and eating their natural prey difficult. Humans are a lot 'softer' than say an Antelope or Zebra.
I don't know anything about the 'Demon Bear of Alaska', but I will investigate and get back to ya'.
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i thought that they were wolf/tiger hybrids
openmind1963
it's a good thing humans were not alive when those huge desendants of bears,the ones that were as big as horses and could run faster than them were around.
i think i saw this a few years back on the discovery channel's unknown series.
they were also talking about the god bear of kamchatkua in russia.
JennRose
Talon, probably what the Disovery channel was talking about was wolf attacks in North America. There have been very few documented cases over here with the gray wolf. India's wolves are a different sub-species and have adopted characteristics more like coyotes and have lost a lot of their natural fear of humans.
Pilgrim Shadow
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The Silver Thong
QUOTE(paranoid conspiracist @ Jul 21 2005, 11:29 AM)
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Jul 20 2005, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 20 2005, 04:13 PM)
The Beast of Gevaudan, the lions of Tsavo, the demon bear of Alaska...All of these animals were supposedly real animals (the lions are on display at the Natural History Museum in Chicago) and have shown a singular trait; they developed a taste for human blood and became very good at hunting men. They claimed dozens (and some reports say hundreds) before being brought down.
I would like to open up a discussion about what may motivate these animals to hunt men is such unusual conditions and whether or not they are the only examples of unusually successful man-hunters out there in legend and lore.
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The Beast of Gevaudan was never proven to be an animal of nature, but assuming that it was, one of the possibilities was that they were Wolf or Hyena Hybrid dogs trained by the royalty to kill, spiking fear into the public.
The Tsavo Lions were Lion/Tiger hybrids supposedly. The cause for their human appetite was technically due to tooth decay. Their teeth basically had cavities (generalizing), which made killing and eating their natural prey difficult. Humans are a lot 'softer' than say an Antelope or Zebra.
I don't know anything about the 'Demon Bear of Alaska', but I will investigate and get back to ya'.
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i thought that they were wolf/tiger hybrids
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Talon
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Talon, probably what the Disovery channel was talking about was wolf attacks in North America.


It was a European show, so its unlikely it would have been focusing on NA only.
Funi
what about Chicatillo ? original.gif
Paulwhale
QUOTE(Shadowsleet @ Jul 20 2005, 09:28 PM)
Humans don't tend to be hunted by loins and the like because, in general, these animals have learned to fear humans. In fact, they're quite likely to run away from us - they've simply learned that to kill a human is to commit suicide, as a dozen humans will hunt you down the next day and skin you.

That doesn't mean that predators won't, on occassion, kill and eat people. It is very rare for them to actualy get a taste for us, and hunt us exclusivly (such as the loins in Tsavo).

It could be that these animals kill a man at some point and, suffering no consequences, lose their fear of us. It might even be argued that a hostile encounter with humans drove them to hatred (most animals will flee a stumuli that they have learned to assossiate with death or fear. However, most animals that become maneaters demonstrate behaviour not common to their species, and it is likley that they are simply not the norm).
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Well, you are only partly right, Shady, because when animal is injured, he can't hunt normal prey, also if it is old, well, it starts to hunt humans, and once it kills first one, it is not affraid anymore, it knows it is an easy prey, and continues to kill them WITHOUT fear, and there were some cases with man-eaters who weren't caught, and those elephant who killed 15 hunters, white hunters in Africa, was not man-eater, but he definitely wasn't affraid of anyone, not all animals are affraid of humans.
Paulwhale
QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Jul 20 2005, 11:15 PM)
Here is a list of the top 10 deadliest animals.  # 1 small and everywhere.....

What a dumb ass i am here's the link

http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/top...estanimals.html
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this estimation of which is most deadliest is pretty ignorant I think
Shadowsleet
Paul, I believe you will notice that I quite clearly stated the following...

"It could be that these animals kill a man at some point and, suffering no consequences, lose their fear of us."

....why you felt the need to quote what I said, disagree with it, and then to simply reword what I'd said and post it as your own is something beyond my understanding. I shall endevour to understand you later, as I'm still reeling over the mammoths.
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