KILLUMANATI
Nov 14 2006, 06:21 AM
I agree with the post above.
The show is Either a scam with payed actors or hes dabbling in modern day scorcery / wich craft.
Jesus is Lord.
Dowdy
Nov 14 2006, 06:43 AM
ROFLMAO!!!
Those 2 post are the funniest thing i've heard all day!
coldethyl
Nov 14 2006, 04:43 PM
How deluded do you have to be to believe that a magician is using demons to do magic tricks??? Sounds like religion has done wonders for you people. You're not doing yourself any favors.
Jesus_is_King
Nov 14 2006, 05:07 PM
Yes my religion is Christianity, but I don't think I'm religious in the way that you think. My religion comes directly from Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and the Bible. I did not hear anyone tell me this at a church or anything like that. I have learned these things first hand. Please remember though, that when you are completetly baffled why "your" spirits are suddenly attacking you and saying they are going to kill you, that Jesus can save you. Just like I told the other person, I dare you as well to speak the name "Jesus" in the presence of your spirits. You will see how that name is more powerful. If you can't even get that out of your mouth, then that should tell you something.
~Onyx~
Nov 14 2006, 05:21 PM
Of course Jesus is King..but Chriss Angel is as much in league with demons(and does just as much real "magic") as The Amazing Mumford from Sesame Street...
coldethyl
Nov 14 2006, 09:04 PM
QUOTE(Jesus_is_King @ Nov 14 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1426911[/snapback]
Yes my religion is Christianity, but I don't think I'm religious in the way that you think. My religion comes directly from Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and the Bible. I did not hear anyone tell me this at a church or anything like that. I have learned these things first hand. Please remember though, that when you are completetly baffled why "your" spirits are suddenly attacking you and saying they are going to kill you, that Jesus can save you. Just like I told the other person, I dare you as well to speak the name "Jesus" in the presence of your spirits. You will see how that name is more powerful. If you can't even get that out of your mouth, then that should tell you something.
Let me say this: you presume a lot. I'm just telling you that saying that a magician is in league with the devil or demons because he can do obvious magic tricks smacks of brain washing to me. They are tricks, nothing more. You sound so deluded by faith that you can't even recognize an act of entertainment when you see one! I don't have 'spirits' so I won't need to call on Jesus's name to protect me, so I don't know where in the world you got that. I don't believe any spirit or demon will attack me at all. I also don't like how you presume I'm not a Christian because I can tell when someone is doing a magic trick. Your argument here borders on ridiculous.
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Nov 14 2006, 11:21 AM) [snapback]1426921[/snapback]
Of course Jesus is King..but Chriss Angel is as much in league with demons(and does just as much real "magic") as The Amazing Mumford from Sesame Street...
Exactly.
KBA
Nov 14 2006, 10:02 PM
Wow this is a long thread. Anyway, it's pretty obvious he uses actors, there have been some of the same people who supposedly randomly happened upon his tricks. In the "Girl pulled in half" trick it was obvious they had used multiple takes based on the position of the cameramen.
KBA
Nov 14 2006, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(Jesus_is_King @ Nov 14 2006, 05:40 AM) [snapback]1426430[/snapback]
The forces Chriss Angel uses are completely real. There are no mirrors or people pulling wires. Demons are what allow him to do his tricks. He probably thinks the demons are his assistants who submit to his every whim because he has overpowered them with his mind/inner self/spirit guide, but really, HE is the assistant! All every demon wants is for every single person on earth to be dead. The demons could kill him at any moment, but that wouldn't be advantageous for them. Through Criss, the demons are affecting so many people and drawing them into the new age demonic realm. The demonic realm is fascinating and I understand the pull it has. It pull me too, but regardless of how much it fascinates me, I don't go there anymore because I have found something more powerful. Jesus Christ is more powerful than any demon or Satan could be. It doesn't really matter if a person hates God or Jesus; wouldn't a person want to be on the side that's more powerful? Some people might say they will not base blind thinking on a musty old book(Bible), but if Jesus talks to you himself, it's not blind at all is it? If you are really interested in the spirit world that's more real than this earth, and you really want to be able to know 100% what you beleive, what you know, what happens when you die, and what your life is for, then please search with all your heart, and with all your mind, and with all your soul and you WILL find the answer. Reach out to God and reach out to Jesus, and don't discount them until you KNOW it's not right. God must answer you then. Talk to God, talk to Jesus and yearn for the truth and they will answer you. I know a person and have heard of many more, who became a christian and began talking to Jesus all the time. And Jesus would tell him things all the time. Eventually he started reading the bible a lot, and he realized that many of the things in the bible he already knew because Jesus had told him personally. There can be no doubt in people's minds when Jesus talks to them personally.
If you do not believe in the power God possesses, I dare you to find out. First of all, I dare you to ask God if he's there(out loud/to yourself it doesn't matter). Ask Jesus if he can hear you. Say "Holy Spirit rain down on me, Jesus speak to me, God hear me". Demons hate people to mention those names in that way. If you can't physically speak these words, that is very serious. If you have an inner guide or another spirit, be ready for him to become angry with you for saying that or change form and become very mean. If you don't believe in Jesus or his power, or don't believe saying that will affect anything, then what's it going to hurt to say that? Just try it and want an answer from God.
Ok. If you conjure up spirits or are involed directly with the spirit realm, try saying "Jesus" or "Blood of Jesus" in their presence. You will be shocked at the reaction a spirit will have if you can manage to get that out of your mouth. If you can manage that, try quoting scripture and you will experience first hand the power not even the presence of God, but just the word of God has on spirits.
John 3: 16-17
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it."
and Isaiah 40: 28-31
"28 Have you never heard or understood? Don't you know that the Lord is everlasting God, the Creator of all the earth? He never grows faint or weary. No one can measure the depths of his understanding. 29He gives power to those who are tired and worn out; he offers strength to the weak. 30Even youths will become exhausted, and young men will give up. 31But those who wait on the Lord will find new strength. They will fly high on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint."
are good places to start. I dare you to say that in the presence of a spirit or inner guide. In this moment your very life could be in danger because the spirit will be furious at you. You can really only do one thing at this moment. You must ask Jesus to save you. When you realize that your own strength and the power of your mind cannot overcome the spirit, then remember this to prevent it from killing you. Say "Jesus! Save me! I accept you! I give my life to you." Then, face the spirit head on and say, "I command you to leave in Jesus' name! Go at once to the dry places!" If he doesn't leave immediately you can keep quoting scripture, but regardless of how long it takes, the spirit must leave and Jesus WILL save you.
You really don't have to listen to any human. Ask God yourself and find out for yourself the truth.
Wow, you really believe that, don't you? He's a fake, a sham, etc. It's hard to argue with such a distorted view of reality but that's all there is to it. Have you ever taken a sanity test? I just now said out loud "The Bible is a pack of lies", "Jesus wasn't sane" and "God doesn't know I'm saying this" (along with the phrase you recommended saying) And guess what

nothing happened. Guess God doesn't have any power. Besides, if the name Jesus is so sacred then the next time I have a demonic presence I'll just go to mcdonalds!
Chris.B
Nov 17 2006, 06:26 PM
A lot of Criss Angel's tricks are real, while others are illusion. Either way, it has to do with mentalism. Lighten up: it is a magician's job to play with mentalism and make you believe that they have awsome powers. So what if he is smart enough to fool everyone with obvious tricks? He is an entertainer, and dare I say a very good one!
majik
Nov 25 2006, 05:35 AM
I just finished this entire thread [long read]. I have been doing magic for 35+ years and I back the other magicians that Chris is just a preformer. I have yet to see him do anything that has not been done by someone, somewhere,someway by another preformer in one version or another. No god powers or x men powers...unless it's Super X [magicians will get the joke]. We are here to entertain and amuse [ok sometimes shock and scare too]. Magicians are unique breed and many will risk life and limb to present their art [bullett catching comes to mind] Most illusionist/escape artists like to push the envelope. It's fun! Now this is a true story about what one magician did at a convention a friend of mine attended some years ago. Seems the convention hall area was on the 7th or 8th floor and this guy would go in ask for a minute alone and vanish. [one door in and out ,no windows, and 7or 8 floors up] and he kept doing this during the convention vanish and re-appear in this restroom, and nobody could figure out how this was done. On the last day of the convention he showed everybody what he had done. The restroom backed up aginst an elevator shaft and he had arrived several days before the convention cut a hole into the shaft behind a mirror and had been hanging in the shaft while everybody looked for him. Nothing paranormal or supernatural just good old fashion planning and preformance almost seems too simple and it kinda takes the magic out of it now that you know how it was done. I personaly don't believe that any of the people who think that magicians are using supernatural/demonic powers if they could see whats backstage.[think about the Wizard of Oz]
ssjtin
Nov 27 2006, 05:20 AM
People who see Criss angel do tricks they can't explain and go "proof that magic is real!" are idiots. Notice how most tricks seem impossible until the trick is revealed and then suddenly its easy. But you guys go hang on we don't know how he does this one yet, he's the devil, hang on he shows us how to do it, still there's a trick we don't know he's satan.
Stop being so gullible.
Criss Angel is performs illusions only, it's not real idiots.
Atheist God
Nov 27 2006, 05:34 AM
Criss Angel uses what I like to call TV magic. Special effects, actors and clever video editing is how he performs his tricks.
brave_new_world
Nov 27 2006, 08:14 AM
The universe is infinite. What can we do in the face of this infinite to change it for worse or better?? INfact what can we do to change it from it's current infinity??? Infinity is always indestructable. It's always infinite and always will be.Ture infinity is even beyond labels such as infinite and finite.
This is what you would call God. At all times and at all places everything is as it should be regardless of our current perception of the universe. You cannot change anything except that which infinity wills to change. The idea is to find infinite within and without and go with the flow of it. Something I must say I havn;t consciously achieved. But again anything I do is the will of the infinite whether I like it or not.
This leaves room for many a person to behave in the most notorious of ways and then say it wasn;t him but the will of infinity. But those people because they lack charity(true definition) and humility will never be fully conscious of it like the gurus, mystics, saints and avatars etc. And so wont be consciously at peace of mind and will either consciously or unconsciously suffer the life of bondage to the illusion of separateness from infinite which is the indentification with the ego.
Any thoughts???
openmind1963
Nov 27 2006, 04:12 PM
the guy is a great illusionist/magic man.some of the stuff he does though,his audience has to be in on though!
SilverRain Queen
Nov 27 2006, 05:57 PM
OMG Jesus_is_King is possessed by a RELIGIOUS DEMON!!!
Ya you forgot about those ones didn't you JiK?
Maybe Jesus and Criss Angel have alot in common...both Illusionists.
I feel Criss is dangerous because he has power over the 'weak minded'.....we might soon see The Church of Criss Angel arise.
Funny thing...it's usually never the founders that start these cults....but the followers.
the muffin man
Nov 28 2006, 01:00 AM
There is no way I'm going to read 28 pages on Criss Angel...but did anyone happen to see the episode where he handcuffed himself in a coffin (or something wooden) and had to un-handcuff himself and escape before the coffin went into a wood chip grinder? He got the handcuffs undone, but didn't appear to make it out in time and all the wood chips from the coffin came out along with looked like chunks of human body. Everyone is freaking out (especially his wife) and then he appears in the container that catches all the wood chips, perfectly unharmed.
Now, I know that could have easily been faked with cameras and video editing, but it was pretty crazy to watch...
Jok3r
Nov 28 2006, 04:00 AM
QUOTE(the muffin man @ Nov 27 2006, 08:00 PM) [snapback]1441203[/snapback]
There is no way I'm going to read 28 pages on Criss Angel...but did anyone happen to see the episode where he handcuffed himself in a coffin (or something wooden) and had to un-handcuff himself and escape before the coffin went into a wood chip grinder? He got the handcuffs undone, but didn't appear to make it out in time and all the wood chips from the coffin came out along with looked like chunks of human body. Everyone is freaking out (especially his wife) and then he appears in the container that catches all the wood chips, perfectly unharmed.
Now, I know that could have easily been faked with cameras and video editing, but it was pretty crazy to watch...
Yea that was very interesting to watch. If it wasn't edited or faked, that's a really cool trick.
coldethyl
Nov 28 2006, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Nov 27 2006, 02:14 AM) [snapback]1440314[/snapback]
The universe is infinite. What can we do in the face of this infinite to change it for worse or better?? INfact what can we do to change it from it's current infinity??? Infinity is always indestructable. It's always infinite and always will be.Ture infinity is even beyond labels such as infinite and finite.
This is what you would call God.
Any thoughts???

WTF?
Are you sure you're in the right place?
openmind1963
Dec 2 2006, 05:03 PM
i was more impressed when he got out of the water barrell 30 ft up before the crane that was holding it let go and sent it crashing to the ground!
openmind1963
Dec 8 2006, 12:56 PM
i think the guy is the best magician in the world now!
ssjtin
Dec 8 2006, 03:48 PM
He's not the greatest magicia in the world. Far from it. He's one of the most commercial.
ADbox
Dec 8 2006, 04:09 PM
QUOTE(pyrokinetic_1 @ Jul 24 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1282020[/snapback]
there was a topic with links on how he did it, but it was closed.
and plus channel 38 is animal planet

thats lame that it gets closed do to "exposure"
so its fair that he is mind screwing people, or toying with their belief system? and its unfair to say screw you ill expose you?
ssjtin
Dec 9 2006, 02:15 AM
No that's not lame. Magicians don't screw with peoples minds they perform illusions. Thats what magicians do. Present something that seems impossible. Criss Angel states that what he does is illusions. If you're gullible enough to see something you can't explain and believe that it's real the it's your own fault, not his.
Inchoatus
Dec 9 2006, 07:36 AM
I dont understand why people hate this man. I think what he does is brilliant.
Ghost Ship
Dec 9 2006, 08:06 AM
How do you change your name above the stars? The name below the profile pic?
I know its off topic but i will try anyway.
Are there paid subscriptions here?
ssjtin
Dec 9 2006, 09:03 AM
methinks its the amount of posts you have.
ivytheplant
Dec 10 2006, 12:07 PM
Yeah, once I hit 1,000 posts I could change it. If I could before, I never noticed but all the people I saw with custom names had at least 1,000 posts.
Also, maybe people hate Criss Angel because he doesn't really have magical powers.
openmind1963
Dec 10 2006, 01:21 PM
QUOTE(ssjtin @ Dec 8 2006, 03:48 PM) [snapback]1455089[/snapback]
He's not the greatest magicia in the world. Far from it. He's one of the most commercial.
okay,that's fair!the world's greatest entertainer,how's that?
ssjtin
Dec 10 2006, 02:10 PM
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Dec 10 2006, 11:21 PM) [snapback]1456854[/snapback]
okay,that's fair!the world's greatest entertainer,how's that?
Well although it's mostly opinionated by no he's not the world's greatest entertainer. Entertainer includes magicians, musicians, movie stars, etc. There are also a few magicians who are better entertainers than Criss Angel.
rob lester
Dec 10 2006, 05:31 PM
Whoever posted the mausionist site....The secrets are a joke...
"Angel wears big, baggy clothes for a reason. In this case, the reason is that his body is wrapped with inner tubes that are filled with exactly enough helium to make his weight effectively zero. Because he is buoyant in the atmosphere, a little push off with the feet is enough to send Angel flying slowly through the air to his destination."
I know it is a illusion ,but do you realise how much helium it would take to lift 170 lbs?....That above explanation is about as faxtual as earth magnets
UconnHusky
Dec 10 2006, 05:49 PM
I have seen the shows of both David Blaine and Criss Angel and I have absolutely no idea how they pull the illusion of levitating. I saw David Blaine put a caterpillar in his mouth and then he opened his mouth and a butterfly flew out. How the hell do you do that? Are these guys genies or something? Anyone?
ivytheplant
Dec 10 2006, 06:39 PM
QUOTE(420 @ Dec 10 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]1457009[/snapback]
I have seen the shows of both David Blaine and Criss Angel and I have absolutely no idea how they pull the illusion of levitating. I saw David Blaine put a caterpillar in his mouth and then he opened his mouth and a butterfly flew out. How the hell do you do that? Are these guys genies or something? Anyone?
That's why they're called "illusionists."
openmind1963
Dec 11 2006, 12:24 AM
QUOTE(420 @ Dec 10 2006, 05:49 PM) [snapback]1457009[/snapback]
I have seen the shows of both David Blaine and Criss Angel and I have absolutely no idea how they pull the illusion of levitating. I saw David Blaine put a caterpillar in his mouth and then he opened his mouth and a butterfly flew out. How the hell do you do that? Are these guys genies or something? Anyone?
it would really be a great illusion if we could watch one of tjem give birth.
ssjtin
Dec 11 2006, 12:26 AM
Haha
ADbox
Dec 11 2006, 04:08 AM
QUOTE(ssjtin @ Dec 9 2006, 02:15 AM) [snapback]1455729[/snapback]
No that's not lame. Magicians don't screw with peoples minds they perform illusions. Thats what magicians do. Present something that seems impossible. Criss Angel states that what he does is illusions. If you're gullible enough to see something you can't explain and believe that it's real the it's your own fault, not his.
i dont believe you. yet. i have never heard him state that his levitation trick is an illusion. in fact i have heard him say "I never use my talents for personal gain" which is a direct reference to magick ethics. He also claims that muscle memory allows him to accomplish superhuman feats. point im trying to make is he intentially misleads the audience to think that hes tapped into something. thats what the show is designed around... mind freak. not super cool illusions.
there is nothing unethical about attempting to dissect his game. and a topic shouldnt be closed down under those paticular circumstances. what is being protected? his money?thats of noone's concern here. this place is about explaining the unexplainable.
coldethyl
Dec 11 2006, 08:10 PM
^^ The reason reavealing threads are closed are because magicians do not wish to have all their illusions revealed. It takes away the fascination. One of the moderators here is a magician and it is respectful not to post threads in which magic illusions are reavealed.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Dec 11 2006, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(ADbox @ Dec 10 2006, 10:08 PM) [snapback]1457515[/snapback]
i dont believe you. yet. i have never heard him state that his levitation trick is an illusion. in fact i have heard him say "I never use my talents for personal gain"
I wonder how he got rich then.Hmm.
Guliable people never cease to amaze me.
ADbox
Dec 13 2006, 12:30 AM
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Dec 11 2006, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1458424[/snapback]
^^ The reason reavealing threads are closed are because magicians do not wish to have all their illusions revealed. It takes away the fascination. One of the moderators here is a magician and it is respectful not to post threads in which magic illusions are reavealed.
thats why "magicians" should protect their trade secets, not moderator on a "unexplained mystery" webforum. chris angel has no disclaimer. his whole image is based on a superhuman occult-like character who can do amzing feats.
Are you saying that illusions should be monopolized by the illusionists? What if i wanted to learn it to impress a girl?
Inquiring minds want to know. no moderator has the right to prevent them their piece of mind.
ivytheplant
Dec 13 2006, 05:13 AM
QUOTE(ADbox @ Dec 12 2006, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1459912[/snapback]
Are you saying that illusions should be monopolized by the illusionists? What if i wanted to learn it to impress a girl?
Hear hear!
ssjtin
Dec 13 2006, 02:59 PM
Magic is an art. Magicians work hard to come up with impressive and skillful illusions. That's why the secrets should be kept into the circle of magic, not just some pre-teen who watches an episode of Criss Angel and wants to copy the tricks just to be cool.
coldethyl
Dec 13 2006, 06:33 PM
QUOTE(ADbox @ Dec 12 2006, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1459912[/snapback]
thats why "magicians" should protect their trade secets, not moderator on a "unexplained mystery" webforum. chris angel has no disclaimer. his whole image is based on a superhuman occult-like character who can do amzing feats.
Are you saying that illusions should be monopolized by the illusionists? What if i wanted to learn it to impress a girl?
Inquiring minds want to know. no moderator has the right to prevent them their piece of mind.
I'm not saying anything but that's the reason why they were removed. I personally could care less. Just give the chick candy.
ADbox
Dec 13 2006, 06:36 PM
QUOTE(ssjtin @ Dec 13 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]1460555[/snapback]
Magic is an art. Magicians work hard to come up with impressive and skillful illusions. That's why the secrets should be kept into the circle of magic, not just some pre-teen who watches an episode of Criss Angel and wants to copy the tricks just to be cool.
thats probably how all magicians start out. and if someone outside of the magic circle figures out a trick, then so be it. they will just have to use their art mind to invent different tricks.
Neith
Dec 13 2006, 06:43 PM
he looks like a skinny douce bag that needs his smelly hair washed
Atheist God
Dec 13 2006, 11:37 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again Criss Angel uses TV magic.
TV magic includes: actors, camera tricks, special effects, slide of hand and misdirection. Combine all of these things and anyone can do what Angel does.
The point of the A&E series is make people go WOW! HOW DID HE DO THAT!!!!. If someone beleives he is for real then they are a moron. His job is to have high ratings and he does that by keeping the WOW! factor there.
ssjtin
Dec 14 2006, 02:14 AM
Yes he does use camera tricks and actors, thats why i dont particularly like Criss Angel very much. But I still admit that he is a skilled magician because he developed his illusions. When you watch his tricks, if you take out the the stooges most people still don't know how the illusion is pulled off. Despite his use of camera angles, they're still quite impressive. Plus the tricks he does which aren't preplanned, i.e. the street magic, cannot be pulled off by "anyone". Slight of hand and misdiretion aren't TV magic, it's just plain magic. Every magician uses this.
coldethyl
Dec 15 2006, 05:39 PM
I think he's hot. But his voice gets on my last nerve. I don't need him to speak. Ever.
Atheist God
Dec 15 2006, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(ssjtin @ Dec 13 2006, 08:14 PM) [snapback]1461516[/snapback]
Yes he does use camera tricks and actors, thats why i dont particularly like Criss Angel very much. But I still admit that he is a skilled magician because he developed his illusions. When you watch his tricks, if you take out the the stooges most people still don't know how the illusion is pulled off. Despite his use of camera angles, they're still quite impressive. Plus the tricks he does which aren't preplanned, i.e. the street magic, cannot be pulled off by "anyone". Slight of hand and misdiretion aren't TV magic, it's just plain magic. Every magician uses this.
I agree it is something to see on the tube and as I had mentioned earlier it has what I call the WHOA!!! factor which is the old "How did he do that" line. I will admit some of the things he does is pretty far out there.
Mazewalker
Dec 15 2006, 08:51 PM
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Dec 15 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]1463446[/snapback]
I think he's hot. But his voice gets on my last nerve. I don't need him to speak. Ever.
I can't help it..... This cracked me up!
Santos
Dec 30 2006, 11:32 PM
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Dec 15 2006, 11:51 AM) [snapback]1463462[/snapback]
I agree it is something to see on the tube and as I had mentioned earlier it has what I call the WHOA!!! factor which is the old "How did he do that" line. I will admit some of the things he does is pretty far out there.
He doesn't use camera tricks. He does his illusions in front of live audiences.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Dec 30 2006, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(Santos @ Dec 30 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]1479669[/snapback]
He doesn't use camera tricks. He does his illusions in front of live audiences.
Whatever. I guess he must be the devil then.
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