cthrogmorton
Jul 21 2005, 08:56 PM
Could the world still be under the influence of this ancient religion? December 25th was the day of worship of Baal the sun god. His wife was a fertility goddess named "Easter" (Ishtar) and her holiday was at the Spring solstsice. Her symbols of fertility were bunny rabbits and eggs...
This site delves into this mysterious religion and how it became adopted into Christianity.
GOOD OLD TIME RELIGION
marduk
Jul 21 2005, 09:00 PM
QUOTE(cthrogmorton @ Jul 21 2005, 09:56 PM)
GOOD OLD TIME RELIGIONCould the world still be under the influence of this ancient religion?
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I don't know about Baal, but Bel is still very popular in some quarters
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Bel-(god)
cthrogmorton
Jul 21 2005, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(marduk @ Jul 21 2005, 04:00 PM)
QUOTE(cthrogmorton @ Jul 21 2005, 09:56 PM)
GOOD OLD TIME RELIGIONCould the world still be under the influence of this ancient religion?
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I don't know about Baal, but Bel is still very popular in some quarters
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It is the same god. O-bal-isk means Baals member (phallic representation)
and the word cannibal originally came from "cohen of Baal" meaning "priest of Baal"
bacca
Jul 21 2005, 09:10 PM
Most of what is followed by christian religions is based from beliefs that came before. They weren't new ideas the men who wrote the bible took what they already knew and out it into a form that would control the masses easily and effectively....The more you take from something else and just spin it or re name it the easier it is to come up with the final product....
Laze
Jul 21 2005, 09:26 PM
Isnt Baal evil. Thats the impression I got when I played Diablo. Just like Mephisto
Redneck
Jul 21 2005, 09:29 PM
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“When Cortez arrived in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, in 1519, the natives were practicing human sacrifice. He was shown the spot where victims had waited in a line two miles long to be sacrificed at the dedication of the Temple of the Sun, and there were four lines!”
Damn. Even when you're going to die you have to wait in line. And I thought the DMV line was bad...
eveningsky339
Jul 21 2005, 09:41 PM
Wait a sec...isn't there a thread like this in the Ancient Mysteries Forum?
Laze
Jul 21 2005, 09:43 PM
Theres a line for everything if in heaven why not hell.
mikeenviro
Jul 21 2005, 09:56 PM
According to the Lexicon of Freemasonry (by Albert Mackey), "Bell, Baal, or Bul, is the name of God as worshipped among the Chaldeans and Phoenicians. See Jehovah". Jehovah is defined as the "ineffable name of God". Under the religion that is Freemasonry, there is a god that is referred to by differing names across separate cultures. This isn't quite what we were all taught growing up.
cthrogmorton
Jul 21 2005, 09:57 PM
Yes, Baal or Bel is evil. That's where the term "Baal-zebub" comes from. It is another name for evil or the "devil" It is mysterious how the winter solstice (sun stop) is "perceived to be a Christian holiday yet it is also observed by Satan worshippers, Pagans, ancient Baal worshippers, by the Mayan and Incan Indians, the Pueblo, the Anasazi and other Indian tribes. Astoundingly all these groups and so many more revere December 25th."
All of it goes back to the roots of Baal worship. 2000 years ago most of the world worshipped the sun, and the church adopted many pagan practices so that they could bring around the pagan masses. There is some interesting history on this stuff.
marduk
Jul 21 2005, 10:12 PM
QUOTE(cthrogmorton @ Jul 21 2005, 10:57 PM)
Yes, Baal or Bel is evil. That's where the term "Baal-zebub" comes from. It is another name for evil or the "devil" It is mysterious how the winter solstice (sun stop) is "perceived to be a Christian holiday yet it is also observed by Satan worshippers, Pagans, ancient Baal worshippers, by the Mayan and Incan Indians, the Pueblo, the Anasazi and other Indian tribes. Astoundingly all these groups and so many more revere December 25th."
All of it goes back to the roots of Baal worship. 2000 years ago most of the world worshipped the sun, and the church adopted many pagan practices so that they could bring around the pagan masses. There is some interesting history on this stuff.
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The name Baalzebub ?
i don't think so
the name Belzebub (lord of the flies) was a slur started by jewish slaves at babylon.
apparently they didn't like their living conditions all that much
Before christianity came along Baal and bel just meant "lord".
the next new religion along always demonizes the one that came before
saying that baal is evil is saying that you're a confirmed christian
not everyone sees it like that
i don't for one.
isis-999
Jul 21 2005, 10:18 PM
QUOTE(eveningsky339 @ Jul 21 2005, 05:41 PM)
Wait a sec...isn't there a thread like this in the Ancient Mysteries Forum?
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It got moved, look at top of page,
cthrogmorton
Jul 21 2005, 10:26 PM
No problems. I respect your opinion.
The jist of it all is that our world is still mysteriously influenced by a very ancient religion. It's pretty interesting. I know that there is no real god called "Baal" anyway, but I find it facinating how prevalent it still is after all these years...
marduk
Jul 21 2005, 11:22 PM
QUOTE(cthrogmorton @ Jul 21 2005, 11:26 PM)
No problems. I respect your opinion.
The jist of it all is that our world is still mysteriously influenced by a very ancient religion. It's pretty interesting. I know that there is no real god called "Baal" anyway, but I find it facinating how prevalent it still is after all these years...
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it doesn't end there either
go ask the pope
he knows all about it
his title "fisherman of rome" isn't a new one

The first fisherman in history was Adapa of Eridu.
as you can see
the hat design hasn't changed much over the last 3000 years.
And this is from a period when Bal Baal and Bel were unknown.
eveningsky339
Jul 21 2005, 11:28 PM
I wish I could go fishing with the pope...
cthrogmorton
Jul 22 2005, 12:35 AM
Yes, I appreciate your point and agree with it. (I enjoyed the fish hat. Because, lets, be honest, that's what it is.) The popes headware probably goes all the way back to Dagon, the fish god. You are also correct that Baal means "lord." Bel went back to Babylon which was one of the earliest societies to develop a "civilization. Nimrod was the man who built Babylon. Even the traditions of a yule log go back that far. You can read to article if you want more detail.
But, I do think that we agree that what a lot of people consider "christian" is not.
babayagafamiliar
Jul 22 2005, 08:54 PM
Baal is still quite popular in some quarters. The Israeli flag is his little bro's (Molech) symbol for instance. The babylonian religion unfortunately left quite an influence. Easter's date sounds pretty suspicious to me, and every single kid at one point wonders what in the world do eggs and rabbits have to do with Christ. The answer is that many of the Romans DIDN't abandon paganism when joining Christianity. Constantine certainly didn't.
cthrogmorton
Jul 26 2005, 09:32 PM
So true. Actually, all the "Christian" holidays are also kept by Satan worshippers and Pagans, but they use different names. Christmas is called Yule, Easter is called Ostara, Halloween is called Samhain. If you look at the sunwheel, it has eight holidays, all evenly spaced apart just like a pie. If you look at these holidays that are considered to be Christian, you see that they were all originally part of the sun wheel and were kept by the pagans long before the era of Christ. The early Christians were all Jews and they all kept the Saturday Sabbath. They didn't keep Christmas, they kept the Hebrew holidays (Leviticus 23) It wasn't until around the fourth century, that the church decided that they wanted to bring the vast pagan world into the church, so they adopted their religion and called it "Christian"
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