11:20 am ..... I believe this day 22 July 2005, `The Feast of Mary` is a pivatol point in how people will see our authorities for the future. After many witnesses see armed police chase and corner then shoot an asian man 5 times until dead in a london underground incident today, how are we to ignore that Fascism is already reality today?

this is surley a good thing if he was a potential suicide bomber and about to set a bomb off if he wasn't it will be open season for conspiracy theories.

First priority is to ensure that he doesn't denote a bomb or attempt to harm the public in any other way.

And don't forget we've had a shoot to kill policy towards murdering sc*m before

Besides, if they'd arrested him then given our pathetic (un)justice system he'd get a 6 month suspended sentance, and then sue for £2million for having his shoes scuffed whilst being arrested

Did they find any ammunition on him or any other documents or stuff connecting him to any of the terrorist organizations?Could you provide some more information please, a link perhaps?
If he was indeed a terrorist then probably their action is justified but if not then the authorities would have more than a few question to answer.

I hope this is a turning point and we hunt everyone of these scum down and treat them all the same way.

totally agree mate there isn't much info out as of yet but here's a link to a statement from an eye witness

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm

They shouldn't have killed him....could have shot him once or twice i.e injured him.Then if later on the police find out that he was a terrorist then he could have given information about other potential terrorists who are hiding in UK.

injuring a guy with a bomb strapped to him isn't going to do much to reduce his effectiveness

So what if you shoot him once or twice and he reached still to detonate a bomb he is carrying around his waist.

Has it been proved that he was carrying a bomb with him?You see there are so many suspicious people moving on the streets..would you go on to kill each and every one them? ...

Evidence so far leads towards him being a little bit more than suspicious, there will be a definate motive for the shooting and not just a silly mistake, however until we get the statement from a press conference we will have to wait.

Wrong, very wrong.

In the Middle East they frequently have to deal with suicide bombers.
The bombers themselves are very low down in the chain of command, in fact they are at the bottom.
They do not normally no anything and the fact that they are willing to give their lives for their cause shows that they really will not break under peaceful pressure from the police.
What is more useful is the explosives. If the explosives are found intact then they can find out what type of group made them and what resources they live near.

I am glad they killed him if he was a terroist, too bad he only got shot though.

yeah we need to murder all unarmed "suspects"--the truth is he was only a suspect and was unarmed--cold blooded satanic ritual sacrifice if you ask me--you know the funny thing is all ive been hearing on the tube is how great of an opportunity this is for europe to get a uk patriot act through--can you imagine my shock when i turned on the tv and see the headline "uk authorities shoot and kill "suspected" terrorist"--can you blame him for running from undercover plain clothes officers--there seems to be conflicting versions of whether he tripped and was murdered or whether he was tackled and then murdered--SCUMBAG!!that what he gets for wearing a THICK coat

That is quite a naive thing to say.

Armed plain clothed police were after this guy, they were in 'hot pursuit'.
It is obvious that this guy was guility, whether he was a terroist who was fleeing or a terroist planning to blow something up.

You will see.

Sunofone, Do you type before your brain kicks?

Wow some of you people are naive!

If it comes to a choice between us or them, I'm going to say shoot them any day.
The guy obviously wasn't innocent - if he was he wouldn't have run and plain clothes officers wouldn't have been chasing him in the first place! Besides, knowing all the trouble we've had on the tubes and being aware that everyone is nervy, why the hell did he run onto a tube in a BLACK PADDED JACKET!

Imo the police had no choice accept to act the way they did. One casulty compared to 56 is definitely better odds!

The police were already tracking him, he was guilty as hell.

Actually u've made a very good point here.These terrorists have been brain washed and do NOT fear death.

Two people were arrested yesterday in London...were they terrorists or just suspected to be terrorists?

It has just been proved he was one of the terroists from yesterday.

You are wrong sunofone.

yeah why was he running from people dressed in plain clothes? yeah they had no choice --so many people make up their mind before knowing the facts--was he gonna smother 56 people with his coat? yeah we're naive- people dressed in plain clothes murdering someone thats unarmed and "we" are naive please tell me how he was supposed to distinguish between police and racist thugs looking to take his wallet?why do we even need jails when we can just murder all suspects?

Great idea! Maybe if we kill more of the a**holes they'll stop attacking us!

Live and let live is fair enough, but not when they aren't letting us live!

Running away from plain clothes - do you not think that they gave him a chance before they shot him? Yelled out 'armed police. Stop' or something similar? Funnily enough the police don't shoot people unless they can justify it or prove that it was an accident - imagine the paperwork otherwise...

He was the guy from yesterday, I am pretty sure anyway.

can't see any other reason for them doing it
The gov knows that they're on pretty shakey ground when it comes to minority groups, so they're certainly not going to let the world know that they shot an innocent from an ethnic minority group. If the guy was shot then you can pretty much bet he was a terrorist/ potential terrorist/ had links to terrorists. after all, that's what the intelligence service is for....

This guy is part of the ongoing investigation and was challenged by the Police, it is not some guy they just decided looked dodgy.

They obviously had no choice. Utilitariansim would decree that the sacrifice of one is infinitely better than the loss of who knows how many.

Utilitarianism is kinda grey when it comes to defining the greater good:P


but just to add my opinion to this

if indeed this guy had a bomb belt (hell even if there was reasonable cause to suggest he was wearing one), the officers that dived on him should be given medals. If the belt had gone off, they would have been effectively diving on a grenade to save a whole heap of innocent people.

You don't have the facts. None of us do.

You also forget our police have decades of experience dealing with murdering terrorist sc*m - though of course in the past it was US civilians who were sponsoring them.......

Good point! That may well be why the chasing officers were described as piling on top of him.......

No point in slagging the officers off. They did a brave thing - not only because they may have saved many people form a horrible death, but also because they will take the flack for this and will have to live with it for the rest of their lives!

We have to fight terrorism and if this is the only way it can be done, then that's unfortunate, but terrorists can't go unpunsihed. If they don't like western lifestyles that's fine, but s*d off back to your own country and don't try to blow us up!

it makes me so mad to think that people are defending these a**holes that are going around killing many innocents.

Lady, there will always be someone jump to the defence of these scvum or some Human Right group ready to fight thier corner.

At the start of this thread the question was is this the pivotal point on how the authorities handle this.... Yes I certainly hope so.

I applaud those officers.
They risked life and limb to save god only knows how many. They tok a human life, which in itself isn't easy, no matter the circumstances. Plus this thread obviously shows some of the flak they will be taking for their actions.
You guys keep your country safe, and even though I don't live there, I support your actions, as well as those actions of law enforcement here in the states.

Got to give a big

Kill one to save many, simple maths.
I have the deepest respect for the British law enforcement and have no doubt that they did the right thing and only because they had to.

A number of facts...

- The reason the fleeing suspect was shot in the head is because that is the only safe way of doing it. In the middle east, long coats are frequently used by suicide bombers to hide bombs, and shooting anywhere but the head runs the risk of causing the bombs to go off. There wasn't any great choice in the matter between killing him and injuring him.

- The man in question was one of the London bombers. He was not some poor Joe on the street, who happened to be having an unlucky day. Police were tailing him in the hope he would lead them to his contacts...when he spotted them and ran, the only reason he was shot was because he headed into the underground....a mess on the tabloid front pages is a small price to pay for ensuring that he was not able to detonate any bombs that he could, very easily, have been carrying.

The police acted in the only way they could to ensure the safety of innocent bystanders. Whever the man was carrying bombs or not is irrelevant. A man running into the underground, rushing through security points, given all that's happening, with armed police shouting "stop, police!" behind him, is simply asking to be shot.

Yup.

The guy matched the description of the Hackney 'wannabe' bus bomber and details of him were found in one of the bombers rucksacks...

A witness stated that he had wires coming out of the back of his coat, now this coupled with the fact he was running away from the police,u can't really be telling me they didn't have reason to shoot him in the head (so they didn't hit explosives if there were some) how much more suspicious can somebody be?

First off, I want to let everyone know that I am not talking about anyone specific here.
I was re-reading this thread and certain posts just make me sick. The comments in question are just absurd. You all know who you are. Your comments and attitudes are exactly why criminals can get away with murder (litterally) and the authorities have their hands tied by liberal fanatics who completely diregard the rights of victims in favor of the rights of the criminals.
In this country, we have laws in place for the rights that criminals do have. They have basic human rights like anyone else does, but they are being given special rights because the fact that they are criminals, according to some, is 'not their fault'.
Bull. A load of bull.
A criminal makes the decision to pick up a gun and rob someone, break into a house and rape a woman, take that load of baggies and sell crack to kids, or heft a backpack on a bus and blow up people. It is HIS decision, HIS choice. Now the fact that you are saying that the police overstep their bounds when trying to prevent another criminal from taking more lives is ludicrous.
Were you there? Did you know the information those police had? Do you know if the guy resisted or if he might have made a bluff to pull out a weapon or something?
I want all of you who are criticizing these cops for their deeds to start thinking long and hard about who you criticize and why.
I am done ranting now.

by shooting and killing that guy the english government may have avoided another terror act,so they were right and justified in shooting that sick sob!
saving lives is better than any intellegence they get about anything!!!

IN YOUR FACE


That guy had nothing to do with the bombings.

Yahoo news
someone has to find the article for me.

TS for him, he did absolutely everything wrong, maybe instead of running for a train carriage, he should have followed the direction of the police.

Exactly he knew the current security status and was asked to stop several times by the police, if he is stupid enough then to run and jump onto a train, then it is his own stupid fault.

Couldnt agree more.

He didn't respond to the police
if police are chasing you and you don't respond, its pretty obvious your under some sort of suspicion, the man may not have been linked to those specific bombings but i believe he has something to do with it, if he wasn't guilty of anything why did he not respond ? well we'll find out when we have more information anyway.

basically i agree with the comments above mine

Heard today that he was innocent...Just thinking if that really is true...
At least innocent of bombings himself.
But he still may had something to do with the attacks...further investigation will clear this up.
I really really hope that he wasn't innocent...I really do.
But why behave like he did???
There is something strange about this guy.

I am curious and this is a rhetorical question...these "bombers" are considered bad right? They deserve to die? Why do they blow themselves up? Pretty good reason to blow oneself up? For a cause...no?

Well...my question is about how you might feel about the "terrorism" that our countries cause in the world? What do I mean? Well, corporate exploitation...and what about the coup detat in Venezuela that our President Bush was behind? Chavez was a good man but I guess bad for business for the oil conglomerates. The people really like him down there. But do you see what I mean? We cause terrorism too and your ignorance of it doesnt let you off the hook...if you are going to deal out harsh justice to the "terrorists" then take a big helping for yourself...justice should not be blind.

If you all really wanted to stop terrorism then think about what we should do about our foreign policies and how we treat third world countries...is that not prudent?

Somehow I think its a little late for the United States and its allies to change their policies in the Third World. I don't think these Islamic terrorists are going to change their intentions in the least.

So now they have shot an innocent man. They probably had the best of intentions in shooting him. Kill him quickly so he can't detonate the bomb they thought he might have. I don't condemn the officers that did the shooting; they had to made a deadly decision under the pressure of time and potential threat. I imagine they were all thinking that if this fellow has a bomb we will all die if we don't blow his brains out quickly.

Its sad that its come to this. I know that yesterday they were conducting anti-terrorism drills near where I work. They were planning for a terrorist with something more powerful than a coat lined with Semtex. The fear is the next bomber, or bombers, might have a nuclear device. Just think of the actions that the fear of that sort of event might drive!

I am afraid the world has started down a very dark path...

Innocent? Did I miss something in the last four pages?

It's hitting the news right now. The London Police are saying they shot a man who had no involvement in the previous bombings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/internat...agewanted=print

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?...5294&p=64355596

Here are a couple sources.