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Super Pancake
I read a blog by 101 yesterday and she said she did not believe in interracial coupling, and I was really pissed off hit home real hard. But knowing 101 she is a good person from what I’ve read of her post, so I was confused on why she believed in that sounded like something a KKK member would say. Anyway we got talking about the issue. Well I can’t say I’m still angry about what she said, through our communication we saw the differences on how we grew up. I understand her view well enough to say it was not out of hate. Well she can explain more about it if she chooses too.

Anyway how do you guys feel about interracial coupling, or share experiences?

And please think hard about it before you post and be honest.

I used to go out with this girl name Sakura, she was Japanese. She was everything I could imagine I would want in a girl. Her family did not like me, and it was understandable, the japanese are not that open to people not of their kind. anyway the relationship was not worth the problems from her family. I can't be with somebody whose family could not accept me. It still hurts not being with her, but I got to move on right! Reminds me of that story I read and posted on 101's Love Stories thread On Seeing the 100% Perfect Girl One Beautiful April Morning, hope for my sake Sakura was not her.
101
Super Pancake love is what you find in someone. Sometimes I think about it. I talk to many people on Um and never see their faces. But I fall in love with their spirit,their words,their heart and soul. You must have fell in love with Sakura the same. But the parents can not see past the color of your skin. The thing is it isn't only color but culture too. So did you ever think that this is a issue. The cultural differences. I was brought up a white and my family may do things differently then an asian,african american,or indian family. The issues aren't always seen.
Super Pancake
No it was mostly about color, they did not object when she used to date a white guy! They were more modern, Japan is changing its old cultural heritage to compete with western economy, any cultural activities is just for celebration and appreciation, not a guideline for their life. Also when it comes to culture the Japanese will most likely emulate it, now there is a hip-hop, punk rock culture going on in Japan.
isis-999
What race a person is, should not matter, Love does not see color, If you are willing to take the mouth of people who are dumba--, then that is all that should matter, my ex was Native American, but i did not care what other's thought,They did not have to sleep with him. thumbsup.gif
XSAS
Although I have no problems with inter racial coupling or relationships, I think this thread may create an unnecessary racial dispute when a difference of opinions are posted.
Shadowsleet
I think, in general, people tend to be more physically attracted to members of their own race...although I think just about everyone fancies japanese girls. It doesn't make you a bigot...it's just the way you work.

People are more comfortable with the familiar...the very same reason why Jesus is, to this day, portrayed as a white man is along the same lines. Some people like to date those of a different race, some people just don't think about it.
Melladior
Love is hard enough to find without limiting one's self to a particular race. I'm a girl who doesn't discriminate; I'm an equal opportunities love employer. I'll put you to work!!
Piney

My father was Nanticoke indian ( which has a lot of black blood from admixing with slaves) and my mother was white. Living in the woods Pineys/ Hillbillies don't have a problem. Most Pineys and hill people are tri-racial and all Eastern NdNs are mixed with blacks but when we moved to the suburbs in the early 80's I went through hell. Blacks and Whites didn't like High Yellows or Red Bones. Then I was against it. But people change and now it doesn't bother me. Hybrid Vigor is good for the gene pool..
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absinthegreen329
I am white and I tend to gravitate more towards black men. So I am perfectly fine with interracial coupling, as the original poster put it. But I don't see why race should make any difference whether one likes another person or not. Give it another hundred years, we'll all end up being the same color eventually.
snuffypuffer
The sad thing about people is that this is even an issue. When it comes to falling in love with someone, race is way down the list of things I'm looking for.
isis-999
Snuffy, your right, i was thinking about this thread even after i made my first post,It is so sad that in this day and time people still think about this, Living in the south i see and hear alot about this topic, I guess i just do not understand why this is still a problem for some,Being a half breed as some would call it make's me look to others with my eye's wide open and does not allow me to be blinded by color. original.gif
ABOTU
I agree with snuffy and Isis. My uncle is white and he married a Korean lady. I don't think there should even need to be a problem about this.
snuffypuffer
Good people are good because they are good, not because of where they came from or what they look like. Same with bad people.

I'm part Cherokee myself, Isis. I like being able to say I'm not totally white, too.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(XSAS @ Jul 23 2005, 10:33 AM)
Although I have no problems with inter racial coupling or relationships, I think this thread may create an unnecessary racial dispute when a difference of opinions are posted.
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No kidding. It was her personal blog with her own thoughts. He could have very well posted in there instead of dragging it out on the forum.


Firien
I think its fine. I never understood why ppl are so negative towards it. I mean we are all ppl arent we? Its just one of those things that shouldnt matter but does.
__Kratos__
interracial dating... if you don't believe in it, then it is your choice not to practice it.

In light of new research like that drug for blacks only... you can't help but wonder about genetics mixing. It sounds so bad when you think of it "that" way...

It is a really touchy subject in which lots of flames will be thrown...

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, then liked for who I am not!" - Kurt Cobain
Super Pancake
Do you know anything about genetics?

Lets a black man does have a genetic problem only half of his genes would actually go to his offspring in order for the whatever gene to be a problem the mother would also have to have it and even then you would have to roll the dice because the child only has a 25% chance of getting whatever gene your afraid of getting from black man!

Also I talked to 101 about she was alright about me starting the thread, and I just wanted to ask everbody else about it.
__Kratos__
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the genetics not matching up for the off spring. After all these thousands of years of environmental barriers for evolution, then mixing... can it really be safe for the future of our children? Down the line some where, it could be that the genetics are not matching up right. hmm.gif

It sounds really bad, when you see it like that but that is just my silent thoughts on it... I have nothing against other races, I'm more concerned about the children of the future. This is my thoughts only, I have nothing to really back it up. Just a ponder about the world, I observe.
Super Pancake
O.K. then a good thought not all the genes are mapped out from every race or ethnocentric group, but we still are human right! I don't think the genes would be any different, except for a few novelties like the ability to twirl your tongue or bend your thumb backwards.

Just wanted to add that pedigree analysis also can warn of genetic problems of future offspring, not on a global scale but for couples who plan to have kids.
isis-999
QUOTE(snuffypuffer @ Jul 23 2005, 03:54 PM)
Good people are good because they are good, not because of where they came from or what they look like. Same with bad people.

I'm part Cherokee myself, Isis. I like being able to say I'm not totally white, too.
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Thank's Snuffy, I guess this hit's me a little more, My son's father is full blooded and people always make remark's to him about his race, hmm.gif
XSAS

isis, who really gives a damn what people in the South think or indeed what anyone thinks, your son will grow and mould into what you make him, and I am sure he will be just fine regardless to the remarks he gets with you as his mum showing him the right path.
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riotboy555
I have no problem with it, but I don't think I'll be practicing it anytime soon, unless I met a cute Japanese girl wink2.gif
flutterby89
QUOTE(101 @ Jul 23 2005, 03:18 PM)
Super Pancake love is what you find in someone. Sometimes I think about it. I talk to many people on Um and never see their faces. But I fall in love with their spirit,their words,their heart and soul. You must have fell in love with Sakura the same. But the parents can not see past the color of your skin. The thing is it isn't only color but culture too. So did you ever think that this is a issue. The cultural differences. I was brought up a white and my family may do things differently then an asian,african american,or indian family. The issues aren't always seen.
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uhh indians ARE asian.

different cultures can coexist. im asian and i was born in vietnam and i live in america...so are you saying that i have an issue with myself?? that i cant exist because theres too much of a culture clash??
TheGreatWhiteHorse
Ohhhhhh boy. One of these threads.

I used to be ignorant, thinking that if everyone keeps on mating interracially it would be the grooviest thing in the world since we would all become such a genetic hodge-podge that no one could possibly hate another. Well, look at places like Darfur, where everyone is one race, yet they find new reasons to hate. The size of your nose (seriously), your religion...whether you're a Sox or Yankees fan.

Im a white male, and I married my one great love...an African American woman. I am forever grateful to whoever there is to be grateful to that something as insane as racial prejudice didnt deny me a life with my wife.

Here's to a racially indistinguishable future! Cheers.
Rachael
Apparently - from some obscure scientific hypothesis that I read once ph34r.gif The white / blonde/ blue eye gene is going to become recessive within the next 2 centuries anyway.

Being one of these humans myself, it saddens me a little that my race is becoming extinct, but hey - it sux getting sun burnt all the time.

I have 4 kids - 2 brunette, brown eyes and olive skinned, and 2 pink skinned, blue/green eyes blonde hair.

Love em all the same, and dont have any issues about their colour.

I dont think inter-racial marriage/breeding is an issue at all, in fact if we all became one mixed mongrel race - I reckon it would decrease a lot of xenophobia.

So yeah - perhaps I should try for a asian child next time. lmao.

love is love, genes are genes, relax and multiply everyone!

Ashley-Star*Child
I've been in an inter-racial relationship before (I was engaged to an African American), and I don't see what the big deal is. His family however, did, and I couldn't put up with that.

But all in all it's a personal choice. My parents were from diverse backgrounds, different religions etc, and the tension between families and upbringing can be a strain especially on the kids, so, I suppose that should also be taken into account.
The Silver Thong
This is so stupid! If 2 peole are in love, no matter there race, creed, or religion! Why do you care. It is not my beliefs that make it right or wrong or your beliefs.

As far as genetics goes, wtf. Live and let live. Who the hell would i be to judge an Eskimo and a Egiptian getting married.
TheGreatWhiteHorse
QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Jul 23 2005, 10:58 PM)
This is so stupid!  If 2 peole are in love, no matter there race, creed, or religion! Why do you care. It is not my beliefs that make it right or wrong or your beliefs.

As far as genetics goes, wtf.    Live and let live.  Who the hell would i be to judge an Eskimo and a Egiptian getting married.
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I believe the correct term would be "Inuit". tongue.gif
Redneck
I'm biracial too ... I'm not sure why biracial relationships bother some people.
TheGreatWhiteHorse
yeah, you wouldnt believe some of the looks my wife and I get in public. I have heard people say things that make me want to explode.

I can only imagine the crap I will deal with as a white guy with biracial children, let alone what my children will deal with. How can we map the human genome and prove to ourselves exactly what humans are made of and still discriminate because of melanin levels or eyelid tissue?
Monster Hunter X
I think that people just get caught up in little things, maybe fears or certain prejudices that may not be their fault. I think the jsut get unsire and focus on little cultural differences. Race should mean nothing, but sadly people are still looking at what's on the outside.
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Jul 23 2005, 08:14 PM)
QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Jul 23 2005, 10:58 PM)
This is so stupid!   If 2 peole are in love, no matter there race, creed, or religion! Why do you care. It is not my beliefs that make it right or wrong or your beliefs.

As far as genetics goes, wtf.     Live and let live.   Who the hell would i be to judge an Eskimo and a Egiptian getting married.
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I believe the correct term would be "Inuit". tongue.gif
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Yes you are right, I was waiting for that, but it is so hard to be politicaly correct all the time. I'm not even sure if "Inuit" tongue.gif is still correct.
nativechick1989
Interracial Coupling? Why should it matter, if two people Love one another? Love . . is all that matters!

I'm Native American and my ex honey was White, blonde w/ blue eyes. There were no racial tensions between our families. The reason being that He grew up around Natives and already knew the culture.
He's the only Man that I ever truly Loved. He will always be special to me, He treated me with Great Love, Admiration & Respect. He will always have a special place in my heart.

I've been around interracial couples and it doesn't bother me. Most of these couples are Natives who have married Whites. As a matter of fact; my Cousin is married to a White Woman and my family excepted her for who She is as person - we don't look at her as being 'White'.

But what it really comes down to is - LOVE! Love conquers all barriers!
coldwhitelight
QUOTE(absinthegreen329 @ Jul 23 2005, 10:55 AM)
I am white and I tend to gravitate more towards black men. So I am perfectly fine with interracial coupling, as the original poster put it. But I don't see why race should make any difference whether one likes another person or not. Give it another hundred years, we'll all end up being the same color eventually.
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absinthegreen329: May I ask you a question? If we all look the same is that a good thing? If there were no more people with blond hair in this world is that a good thing? Hitler and Joseph Stalin wanted everyone to be the same and killed people to do it. In Africa there are Religions and Governments that kill people just because they are in different Tribes and believe in different traditions. You sound like if there are no more white people left on this earth it would be a good thing. So what you basically posted in saying is we should only be one race.
Super Pancake
QUOTE(coldwhitelight @ Jul 24 2005, 08:28 AM)
absinthegreen329: May I ask you a question? If we all look the same is that a good thing? If there were no more people with blond hair in this world is that a good thing? Hitler and Joseph Stalin wanted everyone to be the same and killed people to do it. In Africa there are Religions and Governments that kill people just because they are in different Tribes and believe in different traditions. You sound like if there are no more white people left on this earth it would be a good thing. So what you basically posted in saying is we should only be one race.
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I don't think she meant it that way maybe!

Any way it would not happen, mixing of races would just create more diversity, not true unity. Well thats how genes work. the more diversity a specie has in it's genes the more the survival rate. As for color it would vary between the two couples genes, not all biracial children look same even if the same race were to couple together over time.
isis-999
QUOTE(XSAS @ Jul 23 2005, 07:30 PM)
isis, who really gives a damn what people in the South think or indeed what anyone thinks, your son will grow and mould into what you make him, and I am sure he will be just fine regardless to the remarks he gets with you as his mum showing him the right path.
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Xsas, I have not doubt you meant that well, But as a mother it is hard for you to watch your children hurt, We live in the south and people here are still living in the past, There are clear lines in the sand here, My son knows he is loved and with a IQ of 140 he is well on his way to being a fine well rounded young man.. But that does not change the hurt he has felt over the years, I thing The Great White H, said it best lord forbid what our children here, It's not just weird looks but unkind words, so what to do? I wish i knew....
absinthegreen329
QUOTE(coldwhitelight @ Jul 24 2005, 05:28 AM)

QUOTE(absinthegreen329 @ Jul 23 2005, 10:55 AM)
I am white and I tend to gravitate more towards black men. So I am perfectly fine with interracial coupling, as the original poster put it. But I don't see why race should make any difference whether one likes another person or not. Give it another hundred years, we'll all end up being the same color eventually.
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absinthegreen329: May I ask you a question? If we all look the same is that a good thing? If there were no more people with blond hair in this world is that a good thing? Hitler and Joseph Stalin wanted everyone to be the same and killed people to do it. In Africa there are Religions and Governments that kill people just because they are in different Tribes and believe in different traditions. You sound like if there are no more white people left on this earth it would be a good thing. So what you basically posted in saying is we should only be one race.
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No, no, that isn't what I meant at all. What I meant is it won't even matter in a few hundred years. I think it would be incredibly boring. I was just pointing out that eventually there won't even be an argument (for those people who have one) because we will all be the same. I am glad that I won't be around to see it, because like I said, if everyone was the same race or religion, that would be incredibly boring. I wasn't saying that there should be no more white people or anything like that.
Talon
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although I think just about everyone fancies japanese girls.


Of course, some are really really cute
Rachael
As I stated in my previous post - I have no issues at all with interracial coupling and bi-racial children.

But to be honest I must admit there is a little bit of sadness in me that to see my race (white, blue/green eyes) becoming extinct.

But perhaps it has something to do with global warming that we are naturallly selecting darker skinned people for mates (as in my case).

Nature seems to have an uncanny way of helping our species to survive.
JennRose
QUOTE(Rachael @ Jul 23 2005, 10:34 PM)
Apparently - from some obscure scientific hypothesis that I read once  ph34r.gif The white / blonde/ blue eye gene is going to become recessive within the next 2 centuries anyway.

Being one of these humans myself, it saddens me a little that my race is becoming extinct, but hey - it sux getting sun burnt all the time.


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Blue eyes and blonde hair ARE recessive traits. Always have been. I don't think they will become extinct. There have always been less fair people than dark, but the eye and hair colour pops back up. For examply, Vanessa Williams has green eyes.

My only "problem" with interracial dating comes from the mixing of cultures. It's not a problem really, just a word of caution. Most people just don't know exactly what sorts of stresses and differences they will encounter, and that makes it especially hard. It just takes a lot of work and patience to overcome these differences. yes.gif
Kaj
I am "white" pale even and blue eyed, and I like all kinds of girls original.gif
One intreresting thing I found out the other year was that my granfathers (on mothers side) Father was German and mother an Indian woman(from India).
And they ended up in the middle of Finland!?!?!
Still don't know exactly how all that happened, but it is my bloodline original.gif and I am rather proud of it.

BTW, Nice av and sign JennRose thumbsup.gif
wunarmdscissor
up until recently here it was VERY frowned upon for even a catholic and proddie to wed.


i see no problem in anything, cant help who you fall for can you.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
My family reunions are like attending the UN and no one has ever really had any problem with it until I met my brothers mother in law. (I am of greek descent. A fair skinned brunette with brown eyes. My son is blonde with green eyes) My sister in law's mother upon meeting my brother and our familly told her daughter that she could not marry my brother...because we were not white.

This was my response:
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Super Pancake love is what you make it as I think you already know. Find someone you can love till the end of forever and never settle for less.
101
The fact is that relationships are sometimes frowned upon because it is different. Anything different in my hometown is something to hate at. I have heard many people tease children of mixed race because they aren't white or black. They aren't included because of their differences. I was always told it was mean to bring a biracial child into a racist world because they will only be hurt in the process.
Super Pancake
Well I just got to say the town sounds like its backwards thinking, needs a lot of growing up to do if differences are not accepted.

101 don't you think they are worse things in the world then racism that a biracial child even all children will face. All children will face scrutiny for their differences no matter what they are, it should not stop them from being born. Nobody stopped black children being borned because of racism. Down Syndrome babies are not terminated because life will be hard for them, etc. Get the point life is hard and thats the reality for everybody coming into this world.


101
Yes I understand but to dilaliberatly have a child knowing they will be hurt is wrong. I mean would you have a child and feed them donuts every morning to get them fat knowing it will hurt them?

BTW my town is bassakwards. So no matter what people will always think this way. They suck. sad.gif
Super Pancake
We all at one point in our lives have said why was I ever born, is their any one of us that have ever said it meant it?

I don't think their is one biracial child that regrets ever being borned. Or a interracial mother and father regretting they brought a child together to the extent of what their world is to them.

And how will a parent know their child will be hurt? Isn't it not expected.
Isn't the point of giving birth to a child is because you want love! Is it not why you have a children, of all the pain your child went through, it was not worth the life, I think you would of known your child will be hurt one time or another. That could not have stopped you from giving birth.

101
True, but say you live in a prodomintly white neighborhood and marry a black man and you have cute little babies that none of the other kids will play with because the next door neighbor is mean.


Well I got a question for you or anyone else. Where did you sit at lunch time during school.? wasn't there segregation within the pupils? I mean usually all the blacks are together, whites, and hispanics. That is how it was at my school.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
It is our jobs as parents to serve our children well and give them the strength to be courageous and brave and face whatever life has to offer. No you will not always be able to protect your child, whether bi-racial or not, as it can be a mean bad world out there. But you can teach your child to be a better person than the one who would deny him because of the colour of his skin or his ethnicity.
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