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theSOURCE
If anyone takes the time to look into cases of reported alien encounters during the 40's, 50's, and 60's you'll notice that most of them sound as though they belong in the cryptozoology forum.

They were described as dwarfs with huge elf-like ears; tall shiny metal robots with no faces and claws instead of hands; short hairy humanoids with green fur; and 'smelly' 3 ft. amorphous blobs. Many were described as humans with light skin and blonde hair, while others were described as having dark skin and huge protruding noses. Some had three eyes, some had one eye, and some had no eyes at all.

Several were described as three story tall giants, and there were actually a few rare cases of little green men.

Strangely enough, there were very few (if any) reports of beings described looking like what a grey is supposed to look like. There were reports of little humanoids wearing gray suits, but they did not have large heads or huge black eyes.

So, why do most alien encounters reported these days always mention greys? Where did/do they come from?

I think they come from earth. And, actually, the media to be more precise.

After rereading a few of my books (thanks to a suggestion by a fellow UM member thumbsup.gif ) I feel that the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case was the catalyst that set off the grey phenomena. Though this wasn't the first reported case of alien abduction, it was the first case that received any serious study.

In 1961 Betty and Barney Hill experienced missing time while driving home from a holiday on the Canadian border. It was during several hypnosis sessions in 1964 that the Hills gave their account of an encounter with a UFO and aliens.

Barney first described the alien in the ship as looking like, "...a red-headed Irishman." He then changed it to, ..."a German Nazi," because, "He had a black scarf around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder." This is taken from the book 'The Interrupted Journey'.

The following pic is a drawing Barney Hill made of the 'leader' while under hypnosis. It's wearing a cap and scarf, and has a cat-like appearance with no mouth.

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Beatnik aliens?

Later on during the hypnosis session, Barney said that the eyes were slanted and looked cat-like with pupils (not deep black orbs as reported on greys). Betty also reported strange eyes, but refuse to give any further details as to their appearance.

It's interesting to note that some skeptics claim that Barney's description of the 'leader' was influenced by the alien shown on the Outer Limits a week prior to his hypnosis session. Betty did mention the Twilight Zone (not the Outer Limits) during her hypnosis, but she also said she'd never watched it. Whether they watched the Outer Limits or not, there is a striking resemblance to Barney's descriptions.

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Outer Limits episode "The Bellero Shield."

The Hill's experience was described in detail in John G. Fuller's book 'the Interrupted Journey.' But despite the book's popularity at the time, aliens were still being reported in a wide verity of shapes, sizes, and colors. Even movies and tv shows continued to show aliens in non humanoid form.

Then, in 1975, a made-for-tv movie, 'the UFO Incident' was broadcast. It was a fairly accurate docudrama of the Hill's experience with Dr. Benjamin Simon. The next pic shows a still from the movie.

user posted image

The head and facial features of the aliens shown in the 1975 tv movie were based on later artist's renditions, and not on the original descriptions given during the Hill's hypnosis sessions. Still, this became a precedent for later depiction's of aliens in movies and tv, of which there were many.

The reason why this happened may be a simple one. It was advertised that the movie was based on a true story, and indeed it was. It was based on the true experiences the Hills had with Dr. Simon. Unfortunately, it misled the tv audience to believe that the alien encounter was also considered to be fact. Hey, it was backed up by an esteemed doctor, right?

Wrong. Dr. Simon came forward and expressed his disapproval of the way he was portrayed in the movie, saying he never concluded that the Hill's had had an actual alien encounter.

But that didn't stop the public from believing that the greys were here. By the time Steven Spielberg released 'Close Encounters of a Third Kind' in 1977 the small gray alien had become ingrained in most viewer's minds. Reports of weird, non-anthropomorphic aliens had dwindled considerably, and by the mid eighties, almost all accounts of alien encounters were with the 'grey' type. Even the cover of Whitley Strierber's book 'Communion' featured the popular grey alien face (although, for some reason, that face always reminds me of a guitar pick rolleyes.gif ).

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It's now thirty years later since the 'the UFO Incident' first showed on tv. And what's the most popular form of alien? The grey, of course. Aside from the human looking aliens it's had the best PR campaign the world has ever seen. It's everywhere.

And, for all you who believe greys are the ones visiting the earth, what would you think of someone who says they saw a different form of alien; for instance, a small green midget with four arms and three eyes?

Admit it.

You'd be skeptical, wouldn't you.... yes.gif






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Mr Ed
Those kids in that picture have quite a pale complexion.
Not enough sun if you ask me.
Draco5832000
You have an extremely good point, Friend SOURCE. Quite.
Why, even my avatar displays one of these 'greys' by their so famed remedy.

Although, I personally, would believe the above abnormal account so long as the culprits were described with anatomical practicality (exuse my grammer and long words, I don't know any better way to talk... I suppose I do not get out much. original.gif ) so as it is believable to imagine such an organism dreaming, enhancing towards, gathering the matirials, designing, building, and piloting an Interstellar vehicle.

I would also require a description of the craft itself. How would such a creature go about interstellar travel. Does it make sense? is it safe and practical for such an organism?

But what of those who have had extremely detailed accounts with the greys, and without the use of hypnosis? Those whose stories are laced with practical physical evidence?

Please forgive my manner of speaking. I suppose I simply learn words and throw them together howeverbeit they seem to fit. laugh.gif
I am attempting to learn better. original.gif
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 24 2005, 03:26 AM)
Those kids in that picture have quite a pale complexion.
Not enough sun if you ask me.
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Hey, someone had to start the Goth craze. w00t.gif
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Draco5832000 @ Jul 24 2005, 03:50 AM)
But what of those who have had extremely detailed accounts with the greys, and without the use of hypnosis?
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It's the similarity of those reports that lends credence to my theory. The history of alien encounters goes way beyond 1947 and Roswell (which many claim as year when mankind first had "definitive" contact with an alien species).

So called 'aliens' through out history have either had a distinctive human appearance, or they've been described as a completely non-human form of life. It's only within the last couple decades that the alien form has solidified into an easily recognizable shape, i.e., the greys.

My last comments in my original post were sincere. No matter how much a true believer resents a skeptic, when a report is made that contradicts their own established concepts of what an alien should look like, they too will be skeptical.

This is not a matter of proven alien existence on earth. It's a matter of the human condition.

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Those whose stories are laced with practical physical evidence?


A story cannot provide practical physical evidence. It's only a statement made by an individual. Physical evidence is something that can be handled, examined, and studied.

Cebrakon
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Jul 24 2005, 03:23 AM)
If anyone takes the time to look into cases of reported alien encounters during the 40's, 50's, and 60's you'll notice that most of them sound as though they belong in the cryptozoology forum.

They were described as dwarfs with huge elf-like ears; tall shiny metal robots with no faces and claws instead of hands; short hairy humanoids with green fur; and 'smelly' 3 ft. amorphous blobs. Many were described as humans with light skin and blonde hair, while others were described as having dark skin and huge protruding noses. Some had three eyes, some had one eye, and some had no eyes at all.

Several were described as three story tall giants, and there were actually a few rare cases of little green men.

Strangely enough, there were very few (if any) reports of beings described looking like what a grey is supposed to look like. There were reports of little humanoids wearing gray suits, but they did not have large heads or huge black eyes.

So, why do most alien encounters reported these days always mention greys? Where did/do they come from?

I think they come from earth. And, actually, the media to be more precise.

After rereading a few of my books (thanks to a suggestion by a fellow UM member thumbsup.gif ) I feel that the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case was the catalyst that set off the grey phenomena. Though this wasn't the first reported case of alien abduction, it was the first case that received any serious study.

In 1961 Betty and Barney Hill experienced missing time while driving home from a holiday on the Canadian border. It was during several hypnosis sessions in 1964 that the Hills gave their account of an encounter with a UFO and aliens.

Barney first described the alien in the ship as looking like, "...a red-headed Irishman." He then changed it to, ..."a German Nazi," because, "He had a black scarf around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder." This is taken from the book 'The Interrupted Journey'.

The following pic is a drawing Barney Hill made of the 'leader' while under hypnosis. It's wearing a cap and scarf, and has a cat-like appearance with no mouth.

user posted image
Beatnik aliens?

Later on during the hypnosis session, Barney said that the eyes were slanted and looked cat-like with pupils (not deep black orbs as reported on greys). Betty also reported strange eyes, but refuse to give any further details as to their appearance.

It's interesting to note that some skeptics claim that Barney's description of the 'leader' was influenced by the alien shown on the Outer Limits a week prior to his hypnosis session. Betty did mention the Twilight Zone (not the Outer Limits) during her hypnosis, but she also said she'd never watched it. Whether they watched the Outer Limits or not, there is a striking resemblance to Barney's descriptions.

user posted image
Outer Limits episode "The Bellero Shield."

The Hill's experience was described in detail in John G. Fuller's book 'the Interrupted Journey.' But despite the book's popularity at the time, aliens were still being reported in a wide verity of shapes, sizes, and colors. Even movies and tv shows continued to show aliens in non humanoid form.

Then, in 1975, a made-for-tv movie, 'the UFO Incident' was broadcast. It was a fairly accurate docudrama of the Hill's experience with Dr. Benjamin Simon. The next pic shows a still from the movie.

user posted image

The head and facial features of the aliens shown in the 1975 tv movie were based on later artist's renditions, and not on the original descriptions given during the Hill's hypnosis sessions. Still, this became a precedent for later depiction's of aliens in movies and tv, of which there were many.

The reason why this happened may be a simple one. It was advertised that the movie was based on a true story, and indeed it was. It was based on the true experiences the Hills had with Dr. Simon. Unfortunately, it misled the tv audience to believe that the alien encounter was also considered to be fact. Hey, it was backed up by an esteemed doctor, right?

Wrong. Dr. Simon came forward and expressed his disapproval of the way he was portrayed in the movie, saying he never concluded that the Hill's had had an actual alien encounter. 

But that didn't stop the public from believing that the greys were here. By the time Steven Spielberg released 'Close Encounters of a Third Kind' in 1977 the small gray alien had become ingrained in most viewer's minds. Reports of weird, non-anthropomorphic aliens had dwindled considerably, and by the mid eighties, almost all accounts of alien encounters were with the 'grey' type. Even the cover of Whitley Strierber's book 'Communion' featured the popular grey alien face (although, for some reason, that face always reminds me of a guitar pick rolleyes.gif ).

user posted image

It's now thirty years later since the 'the UFO Incident' first showed on tv. And what's the most popular form of alien? The grey, of course. Aside from the human looking aliens it's had the best PR campaign the world has ever seen. It's everywhere.

And, for all you who believe greys are the ones visiting the earth, what would you think of someone who says they saw a different form of alien; for instance, a small green midget with four arms and three eyes?

Admit it.

You'd be skeptical, wouldn't you....  yes.gif






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geek.gif I agree. I have closely studied the hundreds of different encounters by humans with landed UFOs and their occupants in my favorite UFO book, The Humanoids and I don't find anything resembling Whitley Strieber's spooky aliens. I do believe the landed occupant cases provide good evidence that we are being visited by star-traveling humanoids, of enormous variety.

w00t.gif There is even an abduction case in The Humanoids but it is nothing like the evil grays. These humanoids looked enough like us so that Antonios Villas Boas, the 23 year old Brazilian farmer who had this encounter, described the female member as "the most beautiful woman he had ever seen." He had sex with her. These humanoids did make AVB wash thoroughly and breath in some antiseptic gas which made him throw up, but they didn't do anything awful to him. They didn't stick needles in his navel. He was not terrified, even though they bodily carried him into the space ship. After everyone was dressed again, they gave him a guided tour of the ship, and he was able to make wooden models of it, and drawings. After that, they let him go. He recalled all the details consciously, and could still remember all the details 10 years later when he was interviewed by representatives from the Flying Saucer Review. It was not a traumatic experience at all. He did not have nightmares. This is the only abduction case I believe in.

alien.gif What we now think of as a "typical" abduction case sounds to me like "false memory," concocted out of our darkest fears and nightmares. And is there anybody alive who hasn't seen a picture of the greys? Whitley Strieber is a novelist. Enuf said.

w00t.gif It is just barely possible that the Hills encountered this same species, since Barney Hill said they looked like "red headed Irishmen." The AVB aliens had skin like ours, with freckles. The woman had very pale hair on her head, but red hair under her armpits and red pubic hair. While the male members of this crew were all blonde, it seems possible that red hair would be a possible variation.

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cryptosporidium137
Well, there is another report of simaler aliens to Hill's abduction. This girl remembers walking outside, andher mother thought she was in the bathroom. while the girl was outside, a large oval/disk shape beamed her up, and low and behold, were aliens with catlike eyes, and the leader having a cap and a scarf. He later told the others to leave, and he took off his clothes and, umm... well, she accused him of rape and told him people on earth doin't do that and could get in trouble.
theSOURCE
It still amazes me how people can believe so blindly in what is obviously a creation of the media.

To prove my point, all I would have to do is write about a new form of alien, and though I'd be labeled a crackpot by many, there would be countless others who would accept my words as truth.

I am so tempted to do this. In my book, I could describe the aliens as having the facial features of a spider, say, with 8 eyes and mandibles. Within a year's time, there would be hundreds of reports that describe this faux alien.

And when I would come forward and confess that I had fabricated the whole thing, the conspiracy theorists would say that I was coerced into doing so by the government.

In time, my phony alien would be listed as a genuine ET.

So, where do greys come from? That's easy. They come from ink, paper, and celluloid.

And the minds of the gullible.
Yelekiah
Beatnik alien lol. I wasn't aware that Hill changed his story. Excellent post.
PS-He does look like a guitar pick. ohmy.gif
user26071
A big problem is discerning wether a sighting should be considered a cryptid or an alien.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 4 2005, 07:37 AM) [snapback]915868[/snapback]

I am so tempted to do this. In my book, I could describe the aliens as having the facial features of a spider, say, with 8 eyes and mandibles. Within a year's time, there would be hundreds of reports that describe this faux alien.

And when I would come forward and confess that I had fabricated the whole thing, the conspiracy theorists would say that I was coerced into doing so by the government.

In time, my phony alien would be listed as a genuine ET.

So, where do greys come from? That's easy. They come from ink, paper, and celluloid.

And the minds of the gullible.

I don't know man, i mean the whole grey thing is way too embedded into our heads, i think if any other kinds of aliens were brought up, i think that people wouldn't even give it a second glance if you described it like that, i know some people are very, very (very) gullable and latch onto anything that they believe would take the stress out of there lives.
I do admit that a lot (if not most) of the so-called "encounters" are just totally mind-made (if you will). But some of the cases are genuine, at least i believe so... all we have to do is look at the common factors, watch some movies and see how they portray aliens, compare and contrast, and then you will have something to pay attention to. It's like boiling something down, it slowly starts to evaporate until your are left with the good stuff (or nothing hmm.gif ).

Also do a search for "egyptian pyramid alien pictures", and you will find some very interesting info, stating that the egyptians were aware of their existance, and i think you will be surprised how they are portrayed (maybe not lol).




PEACE
xstortionist
i seriously doubt aliens look like greys....i mean nobody can remember anything when it comes to be abducted. Now if somebody had a photographic memory that'd be a diffferent story...I think these aliens they are seeing are just cats...because really my cat looks like a typical grey alien and he's kewl and he loves to play with yarn...so if i meet an alien mi just gonna throw a ball of yarn at em, watch him fall on his back, and then i punch him in the eyeball.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(xstortionist @ Nov 4 2005, 12:03 PM) [snapback]916234[/snapback]

i seriously doubt aliens look like greys....i mean nobody can remember anything when it comes to be abducted. Now if somebody had a photographic memory that'd be a diffferent story...I think these aliens they are seeing are just cats...because really my cat looks like a typical grey alien and he's kewl and he loves to play with yarn...so if i meet an alien mi just gonna throw a ball of yarn at em, watch him fall on his back, and then i punch him in the eyeball.

great... sleepy.gif





PEACE
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 4 2005, 09:57 AM) [snapback]916221[/snapback]

I don't know man, i mean the whole grey thing is way too embedded into our heads, i think if any other kinds of aliens were brought up, i think that people wouldn't even give it a second glance if you described it like that,


I don't mean to imply that my phony alien would take the place of the greys.

But consider the descriptions of the (so called) reptilians for example. Basically, they're nothing more than lizards that walk upright on two legs. Their originis can be traced back to John Lear and David Icke (2 individuals I do consider crackpots). And yet, there's a countless number of people who either believe in, or actually report contact with these unlikely beings.

Further removed from the greys are the mantis aliens, the quintessential bugged-out buggers from outer space. There's plenty accounts of these "mantis-oids" to show that somebody out there believes in them.

There's a very simple formula to create an acceptable alien that the believers will embrace.

1) Make sure the alien is humanoid. This gives our egocentric minds something familiar to relate to. Let's face it, if we give the alien too bizarre of a form, our minds will tend to think of it as a lower animal, no matter how intelligent or technically advanced we assume it to be. We're naturally biased that way.

2) Give the alien a touch of non human physical features (but again, not too much). Now, what can seem more alien than an anthropomorphic insect for example?

If you look at modern day reports, you'll find that (aside from the Nordic type) aliens are nothing more than humanoids with varying attributes of earth fauna. This is why I'm skeptical of contact reports. It is extremely unlikely that a species on other planet would have undergone a parallel evolution with that of earth.

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i know some people are very, very (very) gullable and latch onto anything that they believe would take the stress out of there lives.
I do admit that a lot (if not most) of the so-called "encounters" are just totally mind-made (if you will). But some of the cases are genuine, at least i believe so... all we have to do is look at the common factors, watch some movies and see how they portray aliens, compare and contrast, and then you will have something to pay attention to. It's like boiling something down, it slowly starts to evaporate until your are left with the good stuff (or nothing hmm.gif ).


That is what I've attempted to do, if you catch my drift. The list of aliens was once a mix of bizarre, wild looking things that bore little or no resemblance to humans. Eventually they gave way to the popular idea of what aliens should look like.

I'm sure that if stories of my phony alien were passed around enough, there would be actual "credible" witnesses coming forward to claim they had, in fact, seen it.

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Also do a search for "egyptian pyramid alien pictures", and you will find some very interesting info, stating that the egyptians were aware of their existance, and i think you will be surprised how they are portrayed (maybe not lol).
PEACE


The only thing I'll say about this is that they're subject to modern interpretation. Some see ancient gods, and others see aliens. thumbsup.gif
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 5 2005, 12:48 AM) [snapback]917173[/snapback]


...The only thing I'll say about this is that they're subject to modern interpretation. Some see ancient gods, and others see aliens. thumbsup.gif

The Egyptian stuff had nothing to do with gods, they were the depictions of "greys", maybe they were just gods, but maybe that's who the true "gods" were (they came from the havens). Anyway, that doesn't satisfy me because, how would that explain the flying saucers in the pictures...no offense, but that doesn't sound like a good explanation...not to me at least thumbsup.gif
RedRaider9981
Well, I know that back in the day there were all kinds of crazy people running around saying they "had dinner," among other things, with weird multi-armed/multi-eyed aliens/blobs/etc. But that was just a fad inspired by the cheesy sci-fi flicks of the day.

In real life, and the modern era, there are virtually no reports of anything other than humanoid beings (regardless of color, features, etc), most notably and commonly the greys. According to CSETI and Dr. Greer and his colleagues, there are currently 57 known species and they are ALL humanoid in appearance. Some short, some tall, some hairy, some smooth, etc., but all humanoid.

We'll probably never know if what people say is true or not until we experience it for ourselves. And I certainly hope that I never have to endure what many abductees claim have happend to them. no.gif ohmy.gif hmm.gif sad.gif
artslave
Seems to me that the so called 'aliens' have a habit of changing their physical appearance to keep up with the times.Think about it.Used to be we called them fairies,and that is what they looked like.Many old cases of fairy abductions.How many fairy abductions have you heard about LATELY?Nowadays,as man has progressed so far technologically,these 'fairies' have gradually changed into a technologically superior race of 'alien greys'.Also interesting is the fact that many symptoms of alien abductions are almost identical to those experienced in classic poltergeist haunting cases.Not trying to ruffle feathers here,but I think the 'greys' can manifest themselves as anything they choose,being of a paranormal,or spiritual, nature.If they were actual flesh and blood entities then they too would be subject to the same physical limits as we are.But no.They can fly around in bubbles at tremendous speeds which would kill a physical being and suddenly disappear right before a witnesses eyes.For the record,I don't believe these 'extraterrestrials' are from outer space at all-but somewhere much closer to home. alien.gif thumbsup.gif
sourpatchkid
Interesting points SOURCE. I dont disbelieve the "grey" alien.gif phsyique, but I have done some extensive research into the history of alien abductions and ufo sightings, and have had some similar thoughts about the number of "grey" occurences. Looking back at some of your info, you could rather easily discredit some of the more bizarre "alien" encounters. While in our universe any make-up or physique is theoretically possible, it seems to reason with me that when someone describes an alien with "8 arms, 14 eyes, blue skin, two mouths, 13 feet on 7 legs, and they were 8 stories tall" they're probably just pulling every odd thing out of the air that they can. On the second note, in the claim of aliens being white skinned-blonde haired human looking, did you ever see that movie "Village of the Damned"? That was pretty tight. Anyway, I still dont discredit the underlying fact that many times science fiction is in fact inspired by reality, even though it may seem to be just the opposite.
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 5 2005, 08:56 AM) [snapback]917550[/snapback]

The Egyptian stuff had nothing to do with gods, they were the depictions of "greys", maybe they were just gods, but maybe that's who the true "gods" were (they came from the havens). Anyway, that doesn't satisfy me because, how would that explain the flying saucers in the pictures...no offense, but that doesn't sound like a good explanation...not to me at least thumbsup.gif


That was simply my opinion and not an explanation.

However, if you need one... original.gif

The first thing I would suggest is that you do a little research before believing in what some "pro alien hypothesis" websites claim.

For example, there's a few sites that say this is a hieroglyph of a "grey" alien in the tomb of Ptah-Hotep.

user posted image

It does look like the image of a grey, especially with the large dark eyes. The problem is, that is not a very clear image of the hieroglyph, so it's easy to interpret it as whatever you choose to.

Now, looking at clearer picture of the same hieroglyph you'll notice that it's not an alien, but a jar with a Lotus blossom, which in Egyptian culture was a symbol of rebirth.

user posted image

You can find the explanation here.

As for the depictions of spaceships, that's also easily explainable as palimpsest.

Link

Sorry to disappoint, but there are no aliens or spaceships depicted in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 7 2005, 08:02 AM) [snapback]919988[/snapback]

That was simply my opinion and not an explanation.

However, if you need one... original.gif

The first thing I would suggest is that you do a little research before believing in what some "pro alien hypothesis" websites claim.

For example, there's a few sites that say this is a hieroglyph of a "grey" alien in the tomb of Ptah-Hotep.

user posted image

It does look like the image of a grey, especially with the large dark eyes. The problem is, that is not a very clear image of the hieroglyph, so it's easy to interpret it as whatever you choose to.

Now, looking at clearer picture of the same hieroglyph you'll notice that it's not an alien, but a jar with a Lotus blossom, which in Egyptian culture was a symbol of rebirth.

user posted image

You can find the explanation here.

As for the depictions of spaceships, that's also easily explainable as palimpsest.

Link

Sorry to disappoint, but there are no aliens or spaceships depicted in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Not disappointing, just another dead end... thanks for the heads up... i would have made a fool of myself in the future. When will the truth come out??!!
theSOURCE
QUOTE(RedRaider9981 @ Nov 6 2005, 08:01 PM) [snapback]919495[/snapback]

Well, I know that back in the day there were all kinds of crazy people running around saying they "had dinner," among other things, with weird multi-armed/multi-eyed aliens/blobs/etc. But that was just a fad inspired by the cheesy sci-fi flicks of the day.


First off, if you'd read any books regarding the earlier reports of bizarre looking aliens, you'll find that every encounter was described as a terrifying experience. It seemed that there was a one-upmanship contest going on to see who could come up with the scariest alien description.

Next, the fruit loops who said they were "having dinner" with aliens were known as contactees (with George Adamski being the most famous at the time). They almost always invariably described the aliens as human like.

Finally, if you do a search on science fiction pulp comics you see that weird aliens and BEMs (bug-eyed monsters) were always featured on the covers, predating sci-fi flicks by at least 40 years. BEMs look surprisingly close to the description of greys, yet they were seldom used to describe the eventual alien sightings of the 40s - 60s.

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In real life, and the modern era, there are virtually no reports of anything other than humanoid beings (regardless of color, features, etc), most notably and commonly the greys. According to CSETI and Dr. Greer and his colleagues, there are currently 57 known species and they are ALL humanoid in appearance. Some short, some tall, some hairy, some smooth, etc., but all humanoid.


Steven Greer is a completely unreliable source. He's only out to make money with his fringe ideas about free energy devices and cares nothing about disclosing gevernment/alien information.

Read this and click the link on that post.

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We'll probably never know if what people say is true or not until we experience it for ourselves. And I certainly hope that I never have to endure what many abductees claim have happend to them. no.gif ohmy.gif hmm.gif sad.gif


Abductions can, and have been explained by sleep paralysis, and one of the reasons they almost always describe greys as their abductors is because our modern society has come to believe that is what an alien should look like. See my post above, for example.
theSOURCE
QUOTE(artslave @ Nov 6 2005, 08:34 PM) [snapback]919518[/snapback]

Seems to me that the so called 'aliens' have a habit of changing their physical appearance to keep up with the times.Think about it.Used to be we called them fairies,and that is what they looked like.Many old cases of fairy abductions.How many fairy abductions have you heard about LATELY?Nowadays,as man has progressed so far technologically,these 'fairies' have gradually changed into a technologically superior race of 'alien greys'.Also interesting is the fact that many symptoms of alien abductions are almost identical to those experienced in classic poltergeist haunting cases.Not trying to ruffle feathers here,but I think the 'greys' can manifest themselves as anything they choose,being of a paranormal,or spiritual, nature.If they were actual flesh and blood entities then they too would be subject to the same physical limits as we are.But no.They can fly around in bubbles at tremendous speeds which would kill a physical being and suddenly disappear right before a witnesses eyes.For the record,I don't believe these 'extraterrestrials' are from outer space at all-but somewhere much closer to home. alien.gif thumbsup.gif


I believe they are "closer to home" as well, and most likely in the minds of those who see them (and I AM NOT saying that anyone who claims to have seen an alien is crazy.)

I've read of this idea several times and it makes no sense that an unknown race of beings, who might coexist with us on earth, should shape themselves to correspond with our level of technological progression. Hypothetically speaking, if they are doing this to fit in with our changing societies, then why do they always choose such strange and unusual shapes and forms?

What does make more sense is the we (humans) have shaped these imaginary beings to fit in with our culture and beliefs.
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 7 2005, 06:06 AM) [snapback]919991[/snapback]

Not disappointing, just another dead end... thanks for the heads up... i would have made a fool of myself in the future. When will the truth come out??!!


No prob, Mind Freak

The reason I research this so carefully is not to debunk every claim, but to clear away the nonsense in hopes of finding actual proof.

So far, I have found none, but I'm still searching. thumbsup.gif



BigDaddy_GFS
It's long been speculated that the Betty and Barney Hill incident sparked the public's acceptance of the 'Greys' as the main type of alien. Before the Hill inciedent, the ETs were bugeyed monsters. After the inciedent, they were almost always Greys.
hazzard
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 7 2005, 02:16 PM) [snapback]920002[/snapback]

The reason I research this so carefully is not to debunk every claim, but to clear away the nonsense in hopes of finding actual proof.
So far, I have found none, but I'm still searching. thumbsup.gif


So am I.
And trying to "debunk" a claim might actually be the best way to find something unexplainable.

*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(hazzard @ Nov 8 2005, 03:30 AM) [snapback]921678[/snapback]

So am I.
And trying to "debunk" a claim might actually be the best way to find something unexplainable.

Yeah, the trick is not to get to excited at first glance of something new...research it a little and get an understanding for it, then make the oppropriate assumtions...








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fallingalien
because those were fake, robots with claws? come on, and what about the one "dark skin with big noses" that's racist, this was dumb reports which were fake from that time, that time was when all these alien ideas started, now greys are probably the true race.

now we notice more because we can talk more, we have internet and there's UFO places to report to, back then there wasn't much and I bet nobody believed in the people who had seen grey's.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 8 2005, 09:25 PM) [snapback]923135[/snapback]

...now greys are probably the true race.

now we notice more because we can talk more, we have internet and there's UFO places to report to, back then there wasn't much and I bet nobody believed in the people who had seen grey's.

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Poetic Justice
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Jul 24 2005, 04:23 AM) [snapback]750749[/snapback]

If anyone takes the time to look into cases of reported alien encounters during the 40's, 50's, and 60's you'll notice that most of them sound as though they belong in the cryptozoology forum.

They were described as dwarfs with huge elf-like ears; tall shiny metal robots with no faces and claws instead of hands; short hairy humanoids with green fur; and 'smelly' 3 ft. amorphous blobs. Many were described as humans with light skin and blonde hair, while others were described as having dark skin and huge protruding noses. Some had three eyes, some had one eye, and some had no eyes at all.

Several were described as three story tall giants, and there were actually a few rare cases of little green men.

Strangely enough, there were very few (if any) reports of beings described looking like what a grey is supposed to look like. There were reports of little humanoids wearing gray suits, but they did not have large heads or huge black eyes.

So, why do most alien encounters reported these days always mention greys? Where did/do they come from?

I think they come from earth. And, actually, the media to be more precise.

After rereading a few of my books (thanks to a suggestion by a fellow UM member thumbsup.gif ) I feel that the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case was the catalyst that set off the grey phenomena. Though this wasn't the first reported case of alien abduction, it was the first case that received any serious study.

In 1961 Betty and Barney Hill experienced missing time while driving home from a holiday on the Canadian border. It was during several hypnosis sessions in 1964 that the Hills gave their account of an encounter with a UFO and aliens.

Barney first described the alien in the ship as looking like, "...a red-headed Irishman." He then changed it to, ..."a German Nazi," because, "He had a black scarf around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder." This is taken from the book 'The Interrupted Journey'.

The following pic is a drawing Barney Hill made of the 'leader' while under hypnosis. It's wearing a cap and scarf, and has a cat-like appearance with no mouth.

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Beatnik aliens?

Later on during the hypnosis session, Barney said that the eyes were slanted and looked cat-like with pupils (not deep black orbs as reported on greys). Betty also reported strange eyes, but refuse to give any further details as to their appearance.

It's interesting to note that some skeptics claim that Barney's description of the 'leader' was influenced by the alien shown on the Outer Limits a week prior to his hypnosis session. Betty did mention the Twilight Zone (not the Outer Limits) during her hypnosis, but she also said she'd never watched it. Whether they watched the Outer Limits or not, there is a striking resemblance to Barney's descriptions.

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Outer Limits episode "The Bellero Shield."

The Hill's experience was described in detail in John G. Fuller's book 'the Interrupted Journey.' But despite the book's popularity at the time, aliens were still being reported in a wide verity of shapes, sizes, and colors. Even movies and tv shows continued to show aliens in non humanoid form.

Then, in 1975, a made-for-tv movie, 'the UFO Incident' was broadcast. It was a fairly accurate docudrama of the Hill's experience with Dr. Benjamin Simon. The next pic shows a still from the movie.

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The head and facial features of the aliens shown in the 1975 tv movie were based on later artist's renditions, and not on the original descriptions given during the Hill's hypnosis sessions. Still, this became a precedent for later depiction's of aliens in movies and tv, of which there were many.

The reason why this happened may be a simple one. It was advertised that the movie was based on a true story, and indeed it was. It was based on the true experiences the Hills had with Dr. Simon. Unfortunately, it misled the tv audience to believe that the alien encounter was also considered to be fact. Hey, it was backed up by an esteemed doctor, right?

Wrong. Dr. Simon came forward and expressed his disapproval of the way he was portrayed in the movie, saying he never concluded that the Hill's had had an actual alien encounter.

But that didn't stop the public from believing that the greys were here. By the time Steven Spielberg released 'Close Encounters of a Third Kind' in 1977 the small gray alien had become ingrained in most viewer's minds. Reports of weird, non-anthropomorphic aliens had dwindled considerably, and by the mid eighties, almost all accounts of alien encounters were with the 'grey' type. Even the cover of Whitley Strierber's book 'Communion' featured the popular grey alien face (although, for some reason, that face always reminds me of a guitar pick rolleyes.gif ).

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It's now thirty years later since the 'the UFO Incident' first showed on tv. And what's the most popular form of alien? The grey, of course. Aside from the human looking aliens it's had the best PR campaign the world has ever seen. It's everywhere.

And, for all you who believe greys are the ones visiting the earth, what would you think of someone who says they saw a different form of alien; for instance, a small green midget with four arms and three eyes?

Admit it.

You'd be skeptical, wouldn't you.... yes.gif
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Well, some believe that the aliens are able to project different images to cover up their real appearence and others say there are many different species of aliens so could be the greys are more active today whereas the other groups were active back then.



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Poetic Justice
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Jul 24 2005, 05:32 AM) [snapback]750800[/snapback]

It's the similarity of those reports that lends credence to my theory. The history of alien encounters goes way beyond 1947 and Roswell (which many claim as year when mankind first had "definitive" contact with an alien species).

So called 'aliens' through out history have either had a distinctive human appearance, or they've been described as a completely non-human form of life. It's only within the last couple decades that the alien form has solidified into an easily recognizable shape, i.e., the greys.

My last comments in my original post were sincere. No matter how much a true believer resents a skeptic, when a report is made that contradicts their own established concepts of what an alien should look like, they too will be skeptical.

This is not a matter of proven alien existence on earth. It's a matter of the human condition.
A story cannot provide practical physical evidence. It's only a statement made by an individual. Physical evidence is something that can be handled, examined, and studied.


There are also the pictures carved on cave walls that resemble what we call greys today plus there's also the Dropa stones found which were said to describe the beings in a way that resembles what we call greys today. No one ever claimed that there were not more than one species of aliens either. When presented with those types of evidence skeptics like to make up excuses of why they don't believe those things when the evidence points towards the alien phenominon being true.



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Poetic Justice
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 8 2005, 09:25 PM) [snapback]923135[/snapback]

because those were fake, robots with claws? come on, and what about the one "dark skin with big noses" that's racist, this was dumb reports which were fake from that time, that time was when all these alien ideas started, now greys are probably the true race.

now we notice more because we can talk more, we have internet and there's UFO places to report to, back then there wasn't much and I bet nobody believed in the people who had seen grey's.


Exactly!!



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fallingalien
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 8 2005, 11:32 PM) [snapback]923149[/snapback]

good point... thumbsup.gif
PEACE


Thanks, thumbsup.gif


QUOTE(Poetic Justice @ Nov 8 2005, 11:56 PM) [snapback]923198[/snapback]

Exactly!!

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Back then, I saw the people on T.V. it sounded so fake, "this man was from mars, they all looked alike, they took me and treated me nice and said they all wanted peace. he looked just like us humans do, there was also someone from venus"

the best and funniest thing is, these people probably don't even know about what each planet is like, 850 F and nobody could like a human could live there.

it was some kind of party with drunk hippies and stuff like that. yeah real credible.

what about roswell? one of the best old stories ever and still, it's probably true something happened that caused alot of crap.
Poetic Justice
QUOTE(artslave @ Nov 6 2005, 10:34 PM) [snapback]919518[/snapback]

Seems to me that the so called 'aliens' have a habit of changing their physical appearance to keep up with the times.Think about it.Used to be we called them fairies,and that is what they looked like.Many old cases of fairy abductions.How many fairy abductions have you heard about LATELY?Nowadays,as man has progressed so far technologically,these 'fairies' have gradually changed into a technologically superior race of 'alien greys'.Also interesting is the fact that many symptoms of alien abductions are almost identical to those experienced in classic poltergeist haunting cases.Not trying to ruffle feathers here,but I think the 'greys' can manifest themselves as anything they choose,being of a paranormal,or spiritual, nature.If they were actual flesh and blood entities then they too would be subject to the same physical limits as we are.But no.They can fly around in bubbles at tremendous speeds which would kill a physical being and suddenly disappear right before a witnesses eyes.For the record,I don't believe these 'extraterrestrials' are from outer space at all-but somewhere much closer to home. alien.gif thumbsup.gif



Exactly!! And then there's the form they took in the biblical days which were the giants. We already know their origen, their race was created when the fallen angels mated with human women. They can use technology they have to implant certain images in a person's mind to hide their real appearence.


Poetic Justice
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 5 2005, 12:48 AM) [snapback]917173[/snapback]


The only thing I'll say about this is that they're subject to modern interpretation. Some see ancient gods, and others see aliens. thumbsup.gif



Yeah, in ancient days otherworldy beings were almost always worshipped as gods or looked at as gods. Today we see them as aliens. The ones they saw as giants back then with 12 fingers & toes, would be seen as aliens today. But there are actual cave carvihngs with creatures that are small with big huge eyes which resemble what we call greys today. wink2.gif


Poetic Justice
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 5 2005, 10:56 AM) [snapback]917550[/snapback]

The Egyptian stuff had nothing to do with gods, they were the depictions of "greys", maybe they were just gods, but maybe that's who the true "gods" were (they came from the havens). Anyway, that doesn't satisfy me because, how would that explain the flying saucers in the pictures...no offense, but that doesn't sound like a good explanation...not to me at least thumbsup.gif


Yup, all of those flase gods they worshipped back then were aliens or offspring of the fallen angels with human women.



fallingalien
um, what? I don't remember them being giants, I don't think they would wanna draw attention by being giant (I know you mean like 9 feet) and fallen angels and wait and what?
Poetic Justice
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 7 2005, 08:02 AM) [snapback]919988[/snapback]

That was simply my opinion and not an explanation.

However, if you need one... original.gif

The first thing I would suggest is that you do a little research before believing in what some "pro alien hypothesis" websites claim.

For example, there's a few sites that say this is a hieroglyph of a "grey" alien in the tomb of Ptah-Hotep.

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It does look like the image of a grey, especially with the large dark eyes. The problem is, that is not a very clear image of the hieroglyph, so it's easy to interpret it as whatever you choose to.

Now, looking at clearer picture of the same hieroglyph you'll notice that it's not an alien, but a jar with a Lotus blossom, which in Egyptian culture was a symbol of rebirth.

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You can find the explanation here.

As for the depictions of spaceships, that's also easily explainable as palimpsest.

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Sorry to disappoint, but there are no aliens or spaceships depicted in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.


The thing is though that how do you know that their analysis is indeed the correct analysis? They could be making up an explination the same as some make up phony alien encounters. i DEFINATELY DON'T BUY THE EXPLINATION OF THE PIECES OF THE WALLS JUST HAPPEN TO ALL FALL OUT NEATLY IN A ROW ALL TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE PICTURES JUST ALL HAPPEN TO RESEMBLE our modern flying vehicles. That seems made up by skeptics who are just as willing to ignore any kind of evidence thaT SAYS SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE AS SOME THINK OTHERS ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING that confirms our beliefs. It doesn't have to mean that the ancient people flew around in those crafts, it only proves that they SAW those crafts. wink2.gif



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Poetic Justice
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 7 2005, 08:06 AM) [snapback]919991[/snapback]

Not disappointing, just another dead end... thanks for the heads up... i would have made a fool of myself in the future. When will the truth come out??!!




As soon as the skeptics and whoever else stops covering the truth up. wink2.gif It may not be a dead end as you think.

Poetic Justice
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 8 2005, 10:13 PM) [snapback]923228[/snapback]

um, what? I don't remember them being giants, I don't think they would wanna draw attention by being giant (I know you mean like 9 feet) and fallen angels and wait and what?



You know, Genesis 6, the giants in the Bible that were the offspring of the fallen angels mating wiht human women? original.gif They were in the form of giants back then.

Of course in our global community today & with our technology being giants would not serve their purpose, it would draw too much attention etc., but back then before technology, people ruled by power & might, brute strength, so being giant helped them to be more in charge or have more control. The world was not global as far as global communications and no one knew what was going on in other parts of the world etc. Today with how our world is set up it would be unwise to come as giants so they take smaller less obvious forms to do their work more secretly.

Stellar
Why should I believe the bible has any insight into this? Why should I believe that your interpretation of the bible is write and is more than just a story?
The Silver Thong
Ok if this is debunked and all, lets ask some questions.

1. why is the guy holding back the wings of the bird and forcing it closer?

2. why is the guy on the right dressed as a bird bowing to it?

3. Why does the plant/alien seam to be reaching for the bird?

I find it rather funny that some here will denounce the bible as fiction and then read the interpritations of some guy and his take's on a hieroglyph made 2-3 thousand yrs ago as fact.

The guy who said this is a Lotus plant well good for him, you buy into it, But why bow and offer a bird to a plant. This is programmed history so as not to look at any other possibility, done all the time, programmed history is a fact the church is prof positive of this.

Had to add I do not belive this to be an alien but just posing a question or 2
Stellar
Why is the plant reaching for the bird? Take a look at the mythology/symbolism behind the lotus plant.

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By offering an animal essence of Lotus she can rise above the oppression and fear of her past becoming fearlessly present in the moment at hand.

As well as assisting an animal to overcome past abuse and trauma it is an excellent choice at the time of an animals death. Given directly by mouth or simply anointing the animals crown (top of the head) and heart (center of chest) chakras Lotus eases the spirit out of the body and assists it forward towards its highest potential in the realm of Spirit.


http://www.anaflora.com/articles/fe-profil...tus-flower.html

It is also said that Ra adores lotus flowers, infact, lotus flowers are present in many hieroglyphs.

In egyptian mythology, it is a symbol of the sun, creation and rebirth.



theSOURCE
QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 8 2005, 07:25 PM) [snapback]923135[/snapback]

because those were fake, robots with claws? come on, and what about the one "dark skin with big noses" that's racist, this was dumb reports which were fake from that time, that time was when all these alien ideas started, now greys are probably the true race.


How do you come to those conclusions?

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now we notice more because we can talk more, we have internet and there's UFO places to report to, back then there wasn't much


You're either very young or you've never studied about the media throughout the 20th century.

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...and I bet nobody believed in the people who had seen grey's.


You still fail to grasp the point. There were no reports of greys during the early 40s-60s. Whether anyone believed in aliens back then is besides the point.
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Poetic Justice @ Nov 8 2005, 07:45 PM) [snapback]923180[/snapback]

Well, some believe that the aliens are able to project different images to cover up their real appearence and others say there are many different species of aliens so could be the greys are more active today whereas the other groups were active back then.

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The first three words of your post say it all. Those people who believe this have chosen to put their faith in something for which there is no physical evidence to support this idea.


QUOTE(Poetic Justice @ Nov 8 2005, 07:53 PM) [snapback]923192[/snapback]

There are also the pictures carved on cave walls that resemble what we call greys today plus there's also the Dropa stones found which were said to describe the beings in a way that resembles what we call greys today.


As I've said before, ancient paintings and carvings are subject to modern interpretation, especially if very little is known about the culture who created them. Just because a carving may resemble what you would interpret to be an alien doesn't mean that is what the artist intended for it to represent.

As for the Dropa legend, it's been proven to be a hoax, but I'm sure you'll refuse to believe that.

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No one ever claimed that there were not more than one species of aliens either. When presented with those types of evidence skeptics like to make up excuses of why they don't believe those things when the evidence points towards the alien phenominon being true.

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There is no evidence to support the idea that various alien species have ever visited the earth.

If you have this evidence, then please, share it with the world. We're all waiting.

As to your biblical references regarding aliens, I suggest you read what has been discussed in the religious forums.
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theSOURCE
QUOTE(Poetic Justice @ Nov 8 2005, 08:21 PM) [snapback]923244[/snapback]

The thing is though that how do you know that their analysis is indeed the correct analysis? They could be making up an explination the same as some make up phony alien encounters. i DEFINATELY DON'T BUY THE EXPLINATION OF THE PIECES OF THE WALLS JUST HAPPEN TO ALL FALL OUT NEATLY IN A ROW ALL TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE PICTURES JUST ALL HAPPEN TO RESEMBLE our modern flying vehicles. That seems made up by skeptics who are just as willing to ignore any kind of evidence thaT SAYS SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE AS SOME THINK OTHERS ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING that confirms our beliefs. It doesn't have to mean that the ancient people flew around in those crafts, it only proves that they SAW those crafts. wink2.gif

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First off, there's no need to yell. original.gif

You're beginning to sound a bit paranoid. The people who have explained the meaning of these relics are not skeptics, but archeologists who have spent a great deal of time studying ancient cultures and their practices. They uncovered an enormous amount of information regarding those cultures long before some crackpot came along and said those images are aliens and flying saucers.

Once again you mention your belief, and that's all it really is. You're free to believe in whatever you choose regarding this debate. However, be aware that there is no conclusive physical evidence to back up your belief.


QUOTE(Poetic Justice @ Nov 8 2005, 08:24 PM) [snapback]923253[/snapback]


As soon as the skeptics and whoever else stops covering the truth up.




Being a skeptic I resent that accusation. In what way am I covering up the truth?

I have presented links to sources that have ACTUAL EVIDENCE to support their claims. All you have done is repeatedly sprouted off about your beliefs, with nothing to support your side of the discussion.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Nov 9 2005, 03:56 PM) [snapback]924330[/snapback]

The people who have explained the meaning of these relics are not skeptics, but archeologists who have spent a great deal of time studying ancient cultures and their practices. They uncovered an enormous amount of information regarding those cultures long before some crackpot came along and said those images are aliens and flying saucers.


ARE YOU CALLING ME A CRACKPOT??!!!




















JUST KIDDING!!
user26071
I dont think greys were originally drawn, I think those were the first reports... o-o;
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 9 2005, 04:42 PM) [snapback]924671[/snapback]

ARE YOU CALLING ME A CRACKPOT??!!!


YES I AM!!! w00t.gif

No, I was referring to people such as Erik Von Daniken (there are a few others, but he's received the most notoriety). Perhaps crackpot was the wrong word, since he is still making money off his ludicrous assumptions and erroneous interpretations. And if his goal was simply to make money, then maybe he's not so "cracked" after all.

What advocates should realize is that alien sightings were being dismissed by both the military (specifically, the Airforce) and the general public throughout the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Contrary to what was stated earlier in this thread, the public was well aware of UFO/alien reports through news paper articles, books, and TV. Privately run organizations studying the UFO phenomenon have existed since the 1950s.

If anyone takes the time to look through all the descriptions of aliens submitted during those years they'll discover two important facts:

1) The descriptions in each case rarely resembled those of any other case.

2) There were no descriptions that match those of greys. There were reports of small humanoids, but they lacked the characteristics of a typical grey, such as the large head, large dark or black eyes, thin frame, etc. (as an example, compare the beings sighted by Lonnie Zamora).

Even up through the early 1970s, alien descriptions still didn't resemble greys. Two examples are the Parker/Hickson Pascagoula incident and the silver alien photographed by Alabama police chief Jeff Greenhaw, both of which took place in 1973.

Now, begin studying reports from the late 70s through the early 80s (after the media adopted the images from The UFO Incident and CE3K) and you'll notice a drastic change in the description of alien beings. Throughout the 80s, their heads became larger, the mouths shrank to small slits, and the eyes gradually changed from having large pupils, to completely black orbs.

Combine this with the changes in attitude towards the government that occurred in the 1970s. After the Watergate incident in the US, distrusting the government soon came into vogue, and people jumped to the conclusion that since they had at one time denied the existence of flying saucers, then aliens must be visiting earth.

This new wide spread belief needed an icon, and the movies of the late 70s (which had erroneously been claimed as being based on fact) and the media had already supplied the required images. The robots, hairy dwarfs, stinky blobs, and glowing, floating ace-headed space freaks became a thing of the past, and the improbable, fat headed greys became the alien of choice.

To anyone who doubts my theory (or is it a hypothesis?), do yourself a favor and research this for yourself. Compare all the case descriptions, timelines and relevant details, then let me know what you come up with. thumbsup.gif
theSOURCE
QUOTE(Kacen @ Nov 9 2005, 04:53 PM) [snapback]924697[/snapback]

I dont think greys were originally drawn, I think those were the first reports... o-o;


????????


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Poetic Justice
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 8 2005, 10:52 PM) [snapback]923315[/snapback]

Why should I believe the bible has any insight into this? Why should I believe that your interpretation of the bible is write and is more than just a story?


LOL! You don't have to believe it. I'm just saying it's what I believe. original.gif



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