I am sick and tired of the constant bickering that can never be resolved between skeptics and believers on this forum.
So I am offering you believers a chance to end it. Right here is a place for you to post you're proof be it photos, videos, whatever.
Note: This is Not A place to post lame excuses for why you cannot give proof, just keep them to yourselves
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Good idea Nick. Although I think this has been attempted before.
Here is my proof. I challenge all of you to disprove it.
Here is my proof. I challenge all of you to disprove it.
Thanx for posting this so we don't have to continue distroying someone else perfectly good post. As I was saying to mr ed, There has been proof of these things for thousands of years. Religion came to rule society and made the metaphysically spiritual go underground for fear of hanging, burning or any other kind of torturous thing society would do to them. But it never went away completely. I really am curius though, just why are you so skeptical? Did something happen that made you bitter toward people who believe in this? If not then why do you care so much about proving it wrong?
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There has been proof of these things for thousands of years.
Post it then
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really am curius though, just why are you so skeptical?
Because there is no proof
Ed, with you it's like trying to prove something to a child. There are meny documents and books written on this subject. It has a history especially in europe. The proof is all around you, you just have to seek it out. Do your homework before coming around here claiming that no one has proof.
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Ed, with you it's like trying to prove something to a child.
Now you are being very silly, naughty naughty.
No need for that comment, it is ridiculous and further damages your weak argument.
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There are meny documents and books written on this subject. It has a history especially in europe. The proof is all around you, you just have to seek it out.
! So what?That is not proof.
http://www.dictionary.com
Look up proof.
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Do your homework before coming around here claiming that no one has proof.
I don't even know why I am still arguing with you, maybe because it is so funny.There is no proof. No one has proof. There has never been any proof. There will never be any proof.
Saying that it has been around for hundreds of years and that people have written about it is not proof
Just because something is written does not make it true. I f it did I'd be at Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry as we speak. Now please videos or photos not text...
Lol sorry to give an excuse, but the only kind of physical proof I can give is a video of me doing Aerokinesis, I cant for a few reasons.
One, My parents would kill me for showing my house and me,
Two, Riddicule
Three, Dont have a DVD camera or a firewire to upload video.
So I can't, I dont need to prove it, I know I can and Mr. Ed, if you trianed for a few months Im sure you could prove it to yourself.
One, My parents would kill me for showing my house and me,
Two, Riddicule
Three, Dont have a DVD camera or a firewire to upload video.
So I can't, I dont need to prove it, I know I can and Mr. Ed, if you trianed for a few months Im sure you could prove it to yourself.
Sorry Johnny, those excuses just don't cut it.
Gosh Johnny, be creative, go and stand in a field with a mask on 
You're right ed, I don't know why I'm argueing with you either. For you there will never be any kind of proof, even if it came up and bit you on the a**. Besides I don't really care if you believe it or not I know what is true for me and thats all that matters. I'll send you some possitive energy though. Good luck on your quest for proof. I'm sure when you grow up, you will see things a little differently.
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For you there will never be any kind of proof, even if it came up and bit you on the a**.
Of course I would believe proof! It would be proof after all and the person would undergo study and/or show their abilities in public.
Don't be so silly.
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I'm sure when you grow up, you will see things a little differently.
Grow up? How old are you?
It is never too late to leave the dreamworld.
Come on now guys!
I suggest you take this to pm or the chat room and stop clogging up my thread, some people may have real evidence to post
*stiffles a laugh*
I suggest you take this to pm or the chat room and stop clogging up my thread, some people may have real evidence to post
*stiffles a laugh*
I already posted some!
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For you there will never be any kind of proof, even if it came up and bit you on the a**.
Of course I would believe proof! It would be proof after all and the person would undergo study and/or show their abilities in public.
Don't be so silly.
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I'm sure when you grow up, you will see things a little differently.
Grow up? How old are you?
It is never too late to leave the dreamworld.
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Is that you or your big brother in your avatar? I am old enough to have had many years of experience researching metaphysics and using it. I have also had many years dealing with children like yourself. My children are probably older than you. Thank you for the compliment earlier about being funny, I always thought I could make it as a comedian.
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I have also had many years dealing with children like yourself
God, I have had a few months of dealing with misguided adults like yourself. However you are the first to keep saying they have proof and yet don't give me any.
Oh wait...
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Thank you for the compliment earlier about being funny, I always thought I could make it as a comedian.
Well people would certainly laugh at you.
But let's not make this a flame war.
Basically you said there is proof and you said that people have been doing it for hundreds of years.
That is not proof, that is fiction. There is no proof of them doing that.
If you want to resort to talking about my age because your argument is so weak and unsubstantiated then please do. It just shows you up.
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Just because something is written does not make it true. I f it did I'd be at Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry as we speak. Now please videos or photos not text...
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Actually the books you would be looking for are in the nonfiction or how to section not the fictional story books.
For the last time, Books are not proof of psychic abilities
All they prove is that people have always wanted to escape reality and write good stories.
All they prove is that people have always wanted to escape reality and write good stories.
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For the last time, Books are not proof of psychic abilities
All they prove is that people have always wanted to escape reality and write good stories.
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All they prove is that people have always wanted to escape reality and write good stories.
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i understand this, but why do you think the government is so secretive? do you really think that they are hiding nothing?
ok, i believe in psychic abilities very strongly, and you can criticize all you want, but i know it is real, for i can do it. and johnny, you really should get a video of u or something. just wear a cloak and a mask or something. and u can go and buy the things you need, but im not forcing you. i just really wanna see aerokinesis done, because that is one of the few psi abilities i have never seen.
I've been telling you were to find it, but you choose not to investigate. Maybe it's because your too lazy to get off your butt and look into it. You choose to get on here and rant about no proof, no proof, no proof. That shows your age quite well. Go out and mow the lawn for your daddy. Get out and get some fresh air.
By the way I said thousands of years not hundreds.
I am leaving the forum for today, I have grown up things to tend to, but by all means, please continue.
By the way I said thousands of years not hundreds.
I am leaving the forum for today, I have grown up things to tend to, but by all means, please continue.
i totally agree with you, curiousity. i dont think that skeptics should be in this thread, but i know none of us can stop them, which really sucks.
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I've been telling you were to find it, but you choose not to investigate. Maybe it's because your too lazy to get off your butt and look into it.
Nope, you have been telling me that these abilites have existed for thousands of years.
If it was that easy to find proof then these abilities would be accepted.
Nope, I am not too lazy. Proof would be a video and photos and live media coverage. This would then be backed up by scientific expeirments and ouila, you have proof.
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You choose to get on here and rant about no proof, no proof, no proof.
What was that, I heard the word proof, but don't see any.
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That shows your age quite well. Go out and mow the lawn for your daddy. Get out and get some fresh air.
Resorting to age again. Hang on, so with age comes gullibility? Funny that, I always thought it was meant to be wisdom.Your argument is spiralling downhill at an astonishing rate, everything you mention age my young, teenage heart breaks!
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I am leaving the forum for today, I have grown up things to tend to, but by all means, please continue.
Good good, I need to go and buy some nappies anyway, I am running out at an alarming rate!!!!
Grown up things- researching the proof of psychic abilities in books?
Go for it!
QUOTE(curiousity @ Jul 24 2005, 05:06 PM)
I've been telling you were to find it, but you choose not to investigate. Maybe it's because your too lazy to get off your butt and look into it. You choose to get on here and rant about no proof, no proof, no proof. That shows your age quite well. Go out and mow the lawn for your daddy. Get out and get some fresh air.
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What? I hate top break it to you but writing isn't going to convince anyone look:
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Nick Fury was the king of Spain for a 20 year period between 1425 and 1445, he then retired to pursue a career in boatmaking where he was given the title 'boatmaster of the northern hemisphere'
Are you convinced? No so why should we be
you want some proof? watch chris angel: mind freak. now that is exactly what i see every day of my life. you see how he moves the cards? well that is exactly what i see my dad do day in and day out.
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i totally agree with you, curiousity. i dont think that skeptics should be in this thread, but i know none of us can stop them, which really sucks.
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Hello? Is this the special 'believers only' forum? I think anyone's allowed to visit here, yes, and even post, without having to prove your believer credentials. If you want a believers only forum, why don't you go and set one up?
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i totally agree with you, curiousity. i dont think that skeptics should be in this thread, but i know none of us can stop them, which really sucks.
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Hello? Is this the special 'believers only' forum? I think anyone's allowed to visit here, yes, and even post, without having to prove your believer credentials. If you want a believers only forum, why don't you go and set one up?
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ok, i said that I KNOW NONE OF US CAN STOP THEM. read carefully before u speak. and i know that there is always going to be skeptics.
but everyone knows that not everyone is going to believe, so why argue???
Exactly as I said about ....3 pages back, take it to PM if you insist on your petty squabbling, otherwise just let it be, and let's see if anyone of the 2000 odd members here can porduce any sort of proof
yeh i know, but back to the original topic.
does anyone have a vidoe or a pic of someone actually doing the abilities?
does anyone have a vidoe or a pic of someone actually doing the abilities?
Nope they don't.
Here are some of the pathetic reasons that may be given. They...
Here are some of the pathetic reasons that may be given. They...
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A. Can’t afford a camera.
B. Live in a really remote area.
C. Don't want the media to hound them.
D. Don't want to provide proof because they know it exists and don't have to justify themselves.
E. Can't upload it.
F. They have electrokenisis and whenever they go near a camera it breaks.
G. Are deluded.
H. Say that you wouldn't believe their evidence anyway.
F. Say that they will give you evidence, but it never turns up.
B. Live in a really remote area.
C. Don't want the media to hound them.
D. Don't want to provide proof because they know it exists and don't have to justify themselves.
E. Can't upload it.
F. They have electrokenisis and whenever they go near a camera it breaks.
G. Are deluded.
H. Say that you wouldn't believe their evidence anyway.
F. Say that they will give you evidence, but it never turns up.
lalala I got an idea, how about we have a UM convention where we meet people and you guys can show us proof... lets make it in illinois! (so I can attend, damnit)
If you can still find the book " Arigo, Surgeon of the Rusty Knife" by Andre Puharich and Russell Targ (both Stanford scientists I believe). (It was written in the '70's).
It shows frame by frame photographic documentation of Arigo an illiterate brazilian who performed tens of thousands of very complicated surgeries while in trance. His patients were wide awake and NONE of them felt any pain or developed infections or suffered complications from these "surgeries". Puharich and Targ followed up on many of his patients to document the results. This included contacting doctors to confirm pre-surgical diagnosis and post surgical outcomes. Puharich himself had a Lipoma ( a fatty cyst) removed from his arm by Arigo. Puharich's doctor had declined to remove it because it was lying on top of a major nerve. In the book Puharich was concerned about infection as he was hundreds of miles away from a hospital. There was no infection and no scar. The surgery only took seconds and Arigo slapped the tumour in Puharich's hand as soon as he finished. Puharich could see immediately that the tumour was not in his arm anymore and his doctor later confirmed that the tumour was gone.
Would the documented evidence of 2 scientists be enough for you?
It shows frame by frame photographic documentation of Arigo an illiterate brazilian who performed tens of thousands of very complicated surgeries while in trance. His patients were wide awake and NONE of them felt any pain or developed infections or suffered complications from these "surgeries". Puharich and Targ followed up on many of his patients to document the results. This included contacting doctors to confirm pre-surgical diagnosis and post surgical outcomes. Puharich himself had a Lipoma ( a fatty cyst) removed from his arm by Arigo. Puharich's doctor had declined to remove it because it was lying on top of a major nerve. In the book Puharich was concerned about infection as he was hundreds of miles away from a hospital. There was no infection and no scar. The surgery only took seconds and Arigo slapped the tumour in Puharich's hand as soon as he finished. Puharich could see immediately that the tumour was not in his arm anymore and his doctor later confirmed that the tumour was gone.
Would the documented evidence of 2 scientists be enough for you?
^ Probably not, if a skeptic wants to be a skeptic there's nothing any of us can do or say to change their minds.
still no proof c'mon guys.
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^ Probably not, if a skeptic wants to be a skeptic there's nothing any of us can do or say to change their minds.
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Hi Tia,
There are Sceptics and then there are Deniers. Deniers refuse to accept the truth even in the face of overwhelming evidence. They actually have no interest in the Truth. Deniers always have an ulterior motive, usually political (as in the Holocaust deniers).
Namaste
True, I'm being as bad as them by labelling them all under the one title.
3 pages of post your proof and all we get is bickering again....go figure...
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^ Probably not, if a skeptic wants to be a skeptic there's nothing any of us can do or say to change their minds.
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That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
I would love it if these things are real.
They are not as there is no proof.
If someone emerged and did public demonstrations and underwent tests I would believe.
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^ Probably not, if a skeptic wants to be a skeptic there's nothing any of us can do or say to change their minds.
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I agree with you. They ask for photos, then immediately say, "photoshopped". No proof would satisfy them. A lot of these events aren't predictable, can't be replicated with any reliability, and aren't amenable to being investigated using scientific method. I don't understant for the life of me why any who have witnessed or been involved in weird events would even try to "prove" them to a hardened skeptic unwilling to accept anything beyond his/her beliefs . . . no point in it.
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If you can still find the book " Arigo, Surgeon of the Rusty Knife" by Andre Puharich and Russell Targ (both Stanford scientists I believe). (It was written in the '70's).
It shows frame by frame photographic documentation of Arigo an illiterate brazilian who performed tens of thousands of very complicated surgeries while in trance. His patients were wide awake and NONE of them felt any pain or developed infections or suffered complications from these "surgeries". Puharich and Targ followed up on many of his patients to document the results. This included contacting doctors to confirm pre-surgical diagnosis and post surgical outcomes. Puharich himself had a Lipoma ( a fatty cyst) removed from his arm by Arigo. Puharich's doctor had declined to remove it because it was lying on top of a major nerve. In the book Puharich was concerned about infection as he was hundreds of miles away from a hospital. There was no infection and no scar. The surgery only took seconds and Arigo slapped the tumour in Puharich's hand as soon as he finished. Puharich could see immediately that the tumour was not in his arm anymore and his doctor later confirmed that the tumour was gone.
Would the documented evidence of 2 scientists be enough for you?
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It shows frame by frame photographic documentation of Arigo an illiterate brazilian who performed tens of thousands of very complicated surgeries while in trance. His patients were wide awake and NONE of them felt any pain or developed infections or suffered complications from these "surgeries". Puharich and Targ followed up on many of his patients to document the results. This included contacting doctors to confirm pre-surgical diagnosis and post surgical outcomes. Puharich himself had a Lipoma ( a fatty cyst) removed from his arm by Arigo. Puharich's doctor had declined to remove it because it was lying on top of a major nerve. In the book Puharich was concerned about infection as he was hundreds of miles away from a hospital. There was no infection and no scar. The surgery only took seconds and Arigo slapped the tumour in Puharich's hand as soon as he finished. Puharich could see immediately that the tumour was not in his arm anymore and his doctor later confirmed that the tumour was gone.
Would the documented evidence of 2 scientists be enough for you?
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I don't have much to contribute except to say that Russell Targ is on of the brillant minds of today yes he is a scientist , he noted for saying we give meaning to everything we experience based on our lifelong conditioning, he is very interested in the psychic phenomon of the mind and has written many books on the subject. He is one of the scientists who believe that psychic abilities are not secular or sacred they are just natural human abilities and that the value of these abilities lies in the oppourtunitys they provide for self actualization and self inquiry. Namaste Sheri Berri
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QUOTE(Tia @ Jul 24 2005, 04:41 PM)
^ Probably not, if a skeptic wants to be a skeptic there's nothing any of us can do or say to change their minds.
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I agree with you. They ask for photos, then immediately say, "photoshopped". No proof would satisfy them. A lot of these events aren't predictable, can't be replicated with any reliability, and aren't amenable to being investigated using scientific method. I don't understant for the life of me why any who have witnessed or been involved in weird events would even try to "prove" them to a hardened skeptic unwilling to accept anything beyond his/her beliefs . . . no point in it.
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So true Larry
.I actually did go looking for a piece of evidence I had. I've looked everywhere and must have lost it when we moved. I'm now more upset as it was something important to me, it definitely puts the skeptics on the back burner.
Losing this thing is a much greater personal loss then worrying about providing proof to the skeptics.
If you are not willing to provide proof, then why are you posting about your unwillingness to here?
If you bothered to read the statement correctly Ed, I was replying to Larrys post stating only after a loss of something important ( which yes, could also have been proof) I realised who gives a toss to what skeptics think.
I know what I've experienced and that's the main thing.
Obviously you continue not to read my posts correctly if at all Ed. (you've admitted it yourself once)
What is it, do you see a believers name and think great it's time for a bit of fun I'll go argue some more because I'm bored.
I see no point anymore in bothering to reply to someone who can not even take the time to read my posts. Find someone else to be your verbal playmate.
I know what I've experienced and that's the main thing.
Obviously you continue not to read my posts correctly if at all Ed. (you've admitted it yourself once)
What is it, do you see a believers name and think great it's time for a bit of fun I'll go argue some more because I'm bored.
I see no point anymore in bothering to reply to someone who can not even take the time to read my posts. Find someone else to be your verbal playmate.
This site is good with a lot of pics, and video. Even though you'll see this, You'll make a arguement on how they "faked" something like this. So the skeptics are the one's that dont agree with "proof", so no matter how much is givin to them, Some how they'll always believe in there small little world that it doesnt exist.
http://www.psipog.net/media.php
also this
http://www.believeinangel.com/angeleyes/mi...ak/special.html
let me know what you guys think!
http://www.psipog.net/media.php
also this
http://www.believeinangel.com/angeleyes/mi...ak/special.html
let me know what you guys think!
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This site is good with a lot of pics, and video. Even though you'll see this, You'll make a arguement on how they "faked" something like this. So the skeptics are the one's that dont agree with "proof", so no matter how much is givin to them, Some how they'll always believe in there small little world that it doesnt exist.
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That does tend to happen...no matter what. Its an Ultra Conservative thing.
Anyway, here is a street magician doing the metaphysica. Buy the video or peek the pictures. And if you would like, tell me how they are faked....or wonder from now on
.http://www.believeinangel.com/angeleyes/mi...ak/special.html
The problem is that the proof is not substantial. The fact of the matter is, it is highly possible that such footage and pictures could have been hoaxed and to blindly follow them would be stupid on their part.
The skeptics are willing to accept evidence of psychic phenomenon, but they aren't ready to believe whatever you throw at them. I am so sick and tired of listening to all of you believers (I am a fellow believer) b**** and moan about not providing evidence you may be in possession of because of what the skeptics might say/think or because you 'don't want media attention', you 'don't have to prove yourself' etc etc.
If you have some evidence, whatever it may be - then post it. Simple as that. Stop the flaming. Stop the mindless banter and bickering. Just cut to the chase and show us what you have.
If not for the skeptics, then for the other believers on this forum who would be interested in seeing what you have to offer.
The skeptics are willing to accept evidence of psychic phenomenon, but they aren't ready to believe whatever you throw at them. I am so sick and tired of listening to all of you believers (I am a fellow believer) b**** and moan about not providing evidence you may be in possession of because of what the skeptics might say/think or because you 'don't want media attention', you 'don't have to prove yourself' etc etc.
If you have some evidence, whatever it may be - then post it. Simple as that. Stop the flaming. Stop the mindless banter and bickering. Just cut to the chase and show us what you have.
If not for the skeptics, then for the other believers on this forum who would be interested in seeing what you have to offer.
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I know what I've experienced and that's the main thing.
I make my point again, if that is the main thing then why are you posting in this thread?
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I see no point anymore in bothering to reply to someone who can not even take the time to read my posts. Find someone else to be your verbal playmate.
Verbal playmate? Right...Let's be realistic with our language.
whoa, skeptics so far, that wanted proof haven't talked anything about the links me, and hailo put up.
specially thishttp://www.psipog.net/media/ni-telekinesis-000.jpg
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~psipog2/float00.wmv
specially thishttp://www.psipog.net/media/ni-telekinesis-000.jpg
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~psipog2/float00.wmv
You want videos and pics. Most of the videos and pics I see are not under a controlled experiment and I would probably dismiss them because of this. There is statistical evidence for psychic functioning and I will give you links here. If you are intelligent enough to actually understand any of it once you read it, I will discuss it with you further if you like.
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/tucson.html
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/delanoy/delanoy.html
http://www.boundary.org/articles/rngma.pdf
http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/ESPdoc.htm
http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/
Here's a list of publications that you can recieve from Princeton:
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/publist.html
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/tucson.html
http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/delanoy/delanoy.html
http://www.boundary.org/articles/rngma.pdf
http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/ESPdoc.htm
http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/
Here's a list of publications that you can recieve from Princeton:
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/publist.html
people that refuse to believe in anything they can't physically see are not allowing themselves to 'see' it. in order to enter into the 'unseen' world you need to believe, and allow yourself to exit the 'seen' world. there is no way to physically prove an abstract thought, emotion, or action. if there was, it wouldn't be 'abstract' or nonphysical
oh really? i still support Randi anyway and Mr Ed 
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