History repeats itself because we don't learn from our mistakes
thats cos normally we don't remember making them the last time
I do

We are the multifaceted one. Here to learn via existence within virtual realms. We come, we go...we strive to be good at what we were sent here to do. Some of us have forgotten our mission. Some become so wrapped up in our own vision that we are the only entities here that we forget the Other. The Other is us.

Your head start, was it really your head? If so, you need to look about we are all standing here looking at you...you would not exist without us...you need feedback to know you are here, there and wherever. Feedback comes from the Other. No one is higher and mightier than the Always...The All...The Other.

Orion you seem to be a far more educated man then I. However I do question some of your views in my mind.. First of all, I would wonder why all of these holes were made.. I dont see people building what looks like thousands of holes with a machine for no apparent reason. Your point from what I have taken in, is that there is just thousands of these holes lying around, yet for no reason. You just say a machine dug all these holes, but why?? It would seem more logical that they were burial holes. Or is it that you are saying, these are the tracks that were left from this machine?

In my early days I worked with the National Geological Survey to determine what was underground...minerals, topology, and additional information. We utilized drilling devices and recorded sound waves passing through the earth. the holes we left were from a dual driller. The holes I see here are from eight to nine drill stations walking over a predetermined course (just as we did). If folks were buried in these holes, it was a result of the great catastrophes that happened after the initial punctuated event...Carolina Bays Catastrophe perhaps or something else...Vela...whatever, we don't know yet but there is sufficient evidence that great engineering went on in extremely distant past/s that we cannot form an accounting. So, we had to come from somewhere...I believe we once were extremely advanced beings...and have forgotten our past. Religion is the closest tie we have with our once great glory.

I believe you have aquired that opinion from reading alterno history authors
i am still waiting for at least one shred of evidence to back up your dual drilling machine claim
do you have the specifications for said vehicle
what size hole it makes etc

That was 40 years ago. I have long thrown away my old materials on that part of my life. Do you have any reason why you post Non Sequiturs and leverage from Informal fallacies??? I see nothing coming from you but cute stuff. The cajole method.

i would say that you hear nothing but requests for evidence from me
so far
Zip
Start as we mean to go on is it Ron ?

what was this machine called
who manufactured it
surely you know that much

All in good time. I will let you show off a little more.

blah blah blah
full of s***
you seem to think my demands for evidence are showing off
Funny
I've had the opinion from at least four other posters that you have no evidence and you will never present any
say it aint so
cos thats what it looks like
Dunsell

Dunsell , Now thats one I haven't heard in a while. Well Said!

Well, I will not post here if folks utilize poor language skills such as those words above. Shall I leave...Marduk???

i'd much rather you stayed and showed us what youve been promising too
by the way Dunsell is a star trek (original series) joke
not an insult

but if you feel a need to bow out without fulfilling anything thats up to you
but it would be very telling to anyone who reads this Ron !!!

and i bet you sat there and watched it age 15 too
i had to wait for the later reruns.

No, it would be an indicator of you my friend. Look at your hedgemonic contributions and read the Gestalt.

So far, I've seen an unusual claim regarding holes in the ground.

I have seen said claimant allude to further data regarding these holes.

And, I have seen said claimant devolve into a language that resembles English, insomuch as a parrots squawking resembles speech. Full of religio/psuedo-scientific rhetoric.

I foresee a reference to Nibiru showing up, or at least the sunken city.....

lol
you don't know what a dunsell is Orion as you already said
so how would you no its an indicator of anything
could be a 24th century cream cake couldn't it
and jpmd is quite correct
you have no interest in history at all
just in the fantasies that happen in your head
you must have a very exciting life

how do you get reality to compare huh ?

Poor kid, never learned context...Know!

thats all you got left ?
calling me a kid again ?
thanks for the compliment Ron
by the way
you're last comment doesn't make any sense in english
"never learned context...Know"
is that supposed to make sense
perhaps you could translate for me ?

Are you joking? Because there are holes in South America, we were fathered by other beings? And you knock creationists, because of what it says in the Bible?

Just talking about holes my son...

HAR HAR
good one Ron

That ticled me that did
hehe

Thanks sluggo...

What exactly are the holes supposed to be?

Theres an old indian religious tradition of digging a hole in the ground
this is part of the awannawanga ceremony
once a month on the special day every indian must firmly plant his buttocks in the ground for a 12 hour period.
This is to prevent awannawanga demons from entering his rectum and making him sterile
The indians have been doing this for 3000 years
in other words
they're ass holes

Ignore Marduk...His job is to serve as a distraction and cajole away all thought. The Holes are patterns and they are very unusual. they tend to slant up and over hills at 45° angles. They are eight holes broad and march for a distance then skip and march again. See the first part of this post.

NOT.

Its funny how the most recent infomation you have on them is from a 1930s aerial expedition and a Vondaniken book from the 70s
oh hey wasn't that just before Daniken got caught manufacturing evidence
One day Ron you'll realise something
but by then it will be far too late

Ron, why do you read this guy's stuff, He is such a fake!

I read Daniken.
He's very entertaining like all good sci fi.

Ron however...................

lol, Marduk, I have a feeling, a hunch almost. I guess you could call it that! That you belive more of this than you lead others to belive. It seems from my view that you choose to be a skeptic so that at the same time learning one side you can learn the other, so not to get caught up in the strong opinion that such a far out theory is reality, so you can stay half way in reality and the other in the "perhaps". There for understanding your view even better. I am curious to find out your true opinions on the matter in the future. Im sure they will be very interesting. Non the less, i am not saying I know you nor am i saying that what i have said to be true, because i really don't know. In simple it is a guess, and should be seen that way.

Sense where on the subject of ancient mysteries of South America (or not so Mysterious from other peoples views). How did the ancient city of puma punku, an earth quake proof, of polygonal construction get throwen all over the place? What could have been so devastating to create such effects? This city is said to be a port city, now many, many miles inland. How did this occur? In one fast event, or over time? (the water receding from the port).

-Mateo

there is no earhquale proof city on the surface of this planet
any that appear so are simply untested.

i am not hiding secrets nor am i a member of the illuminati or the nwo
just before you started on that as well
you should be thinking however way before saying that to me that certain people do know a lot more about all these ancient mysteries but they're not saying
they like power too much to lose it

Illuminati aye? Ha, thats a funny one, and by no means was I heading that way...Unless of course u are Illuminati!? hmmmm. lol, jk. I dont know.

Alright, ill rephrase the question, The buildings as it is seen are built in order be able to handle earth quakes of great magnitudes. And must have done a good job of it though out the years, I mean they are still standing today. So then why isint puma punku doing the same? Instead its everwhere in peaces!

-Mateo

You remember when the europeans built Concorde and then the russians released Tupolev TU-144
it didn't work did it
and remember when the USA built the space shuttle and then the russian released Buran
it didn't work did it
you understand what i'm saying here
My house is built from bricks its about 75 years old
i once built a small brick barbecue in my yard
it fell over after two years

You should call them "Big Strong Boys" on BBC that goes around fixing things for various people, your barbeque would be an ideal mission for them.

uh huh

Maybe they have some great theory on these holes too, how they were made and who made them, I bet you that handy Andy got some weird ideas about them

Lord help us...there are no minds present.

Don't worry Ron if we find yours, We will give it back trust me none of us want it.

This is like the guy at the psychiatrists right
Doctor Doctor I ahve a friend that really needs your help
hehehe

You will not find my mind, for it resides in Timelessness.

Now that they are gone, we can finally get past those who keep gates and really do some good discussing...

Ron, who are you talking too? The last few post have been made by you only?

Perhaps more people would post if the atmosphere in here were a little friendlier.

Perhaps if some people would stop picking on other's then the other's would be nicer.

This orion. Trys to post like he has great intelligence. More likely he got all of this nonsense from the internet and wants to push this ridiculous theory. When Marduk questioned him about something in his past he supposedly worked on. He could not remember. Be gone with your silly talk. Even a genius can talk like a regular person.

Well said, I have tried to understand what he talks about, But when you get your fact's from people Like Eric, and David Icke. I mean acting is all he can do.. If this your genius information your in real trouble.

Ron, Trying to act as if your better and smarter then everyone here is not working.. How about you drop the act and then we can all get along... I promise you we have alot of very smart people here, but your rudeness keeps them away from your threads...think about it...


Sorry mods for going off topic..

I find this subject highly interesting. Guess it will take a few more years to come up with a final solution to these mysteries.

I find the pictograms and lines in South America really amazing.

There are more pictures of these items in

http://www.evdaniken.com (gallery section)

Does anybody have some other links to web pages covering this subject?

Thanks!

LOL.. your Daniken are you not..seven post and each one you link to him.. No matter what the form or subject.. Me think's your him or a close friend.. LOL..

I too find this an interesting thread!

Indeed. I saw this in one of my cousins old National Geographics when I was a kid. I have always wondered about them. Then when I went to work in the oil business and we used The Geological Surveys system, I began to rethink those old holes because the ones we drilled were very much the same. I think something very important happened in Peru and that part of the world long ago, and we are missing the point totally. Ancient civilization was very advanced once and something happened to destroy it. We may be faced with the same phenomena someday and it could be soon.