Even von Daniken's work begins to take on a realness when one finds an old National Geographic from 1933 corroborating the "Band of Holes," that he personally inspected a few years ago. Each hole is a meter wide and just as deep. There are eight holes spanning 24 meters in width, marching in repetitive uniform fashion, from the Pisco Valley rolling over numerous miles of hills and mountains -- finally disappearing in the misty mass of Peru. These holes remind this old West Texas boy of the traces left by a massive drilling rig moving along methodically, testing the geology of the Andes for precious metals. Lasers have also left such tracings in the ground. Archaeologists say they represented defensive positions or graves for the ancient ones, except why would you bury anyone on a slope in rocky soil at more than a 45-degree angle?

But my friends, there are tons of anomalies in the mysterious lands of South America -- Colombian models of delta winged forms, giant pyramids in the Amazon Basin, built on mountain slopes covered by inaccessible jungles and others are examples. Are these mysteries part of why Teddy Roosevelt was so introspective upon his return from the Amazonian adventure which eventually caused his death? This is an area where satellites from space represent the best vehicles for discovery of the great structures or patterns on the ground. The Amazon hides "tall, robust" civilizations of the past, which have been radio-carbon dated just recently to over 8,000 years old, and it seems we have not even scratched the edges of this area's massive hidden potential for learning the true "why" of its humanity.

In Bolivia, the archaic site of Tiwanaku on the shores of Lake Titicaca, represents one of the greatest question marks for all mankind. Here are the remains of a city with one of the most sophisticated sewer systems for even modern times. According to archaeologist Alan Kolata from the University of Chicago, he has never seen or heard of a better system. His awe is also taken by the remarkable agricultural system of canals and hydraulic systems that he is even now using to increase potato production for area residents. The raised field system used by the ancients must have occupied 400 to 500 square miles and could easily have fed the 100,000 or more ancient residents living on the arid Altiplano.

I looked around for info on the holes but honestly did not find much information other than what you stated above.

I did find this page with some interesting pictographs from the Pisco Valley.

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/vhra/web/pisco.html

This site mentions that it was a common travel route dating back to prehistoric times. I wonder if the holes could have marked the travel route?

No, that is not what I am referencing. This subject is very mysterious. At one time many could see the holes which look like a gridwork of holes for many miles...a pattern of holes eight across, each four feet deep and reiterated over and over in a moving pattern of holes.

More and more this subject is being covered up by who knows what. I believe it is the silver bullet. If it exists, we were fathered by an advanced race of beings and this is no lie.

and from what part of the universe do you believe these advanced beings reside in? Do you think its the Sirians, Annunaki or Plaedians?

have you read up on Hopi prophecy Orion?

yoy lost me when you said Daniken...
look third word in the post
"Even von Daniken's "

and what was 8000 years old ?
got a link for that. ??

Sooo, 8000 years ago, aliens came to earth, and.... dug a lot of holes? And this proves what? That they were mole people?

I could say something here... But best to just say...........

"I am a mystical person...half awake to reality and half into another dimension of existence. I dream of things not on this side of reality. I write and design products that seem to exist between these realms. I am currently trying to discern the why of so many cities in Mexico that seem to be designed to address the sky. Many of the ancient Mexican establishments have what I call landing sites. We reason that they were for fertility purposes if we cannot discern a purpose for them, but I think we are dead wrong. I will discuss more of this below at this thread. Thanks for posting up here and I am glad to be back among the thinkers of purpose. "

did you move on at all since October Ron ?

No, but you did. I am totally taken aback by the shallow replys above. I thought that some here would be a little more animated and deep. I hope there are some who are and are just trying to be funny.

A pictire is worth a thousand words. Do you have any photos or links?

Yes, Kat put some pics up on this site. Please check them out.

http://www.dailygrail.com/node/1712

Trust me Ron I spent almost an hour researching this subject for you.
I now consider myself an expert on the american geographic society's expedition to peru 1931 but without parting with dollars am unlikely to see any pictures published
theres two sources available
the national geographic magasine january issue 1933 and A book written by the pilot.
Air Adventures in Peru was the name of the article and i wouldn't imagine the pictures were in all that great detail seeing as they were taken from a passing plane flying through what was then uncharted territory.
questia has a copy of Robert Shippee's 1931 book online apparently entitled " The 1931 Shippee-Johnson Aerial Photography Expedition to Peru "
but you'll need to subscribe to read it.
got your credit card handy ?
http://www.questia.com/SM.qst?act=search&s...SearchType=1000

This is the original National Geographic magazine photograph I managed to track. You can see the extent of such formations.

Yes, that is what I once saw and also saw a two hole across version in West Texas produced by equipment from Geological Survey...The holes were almost identical. To me, this is an artifact from a very advanced civilization from long ago. They surveyed this area when the landmass was almost flat...After the Catastrophe of some 11,000 years ago, it began to look like this. Peru was once a land of very advanced beings.

pity they didn't leave any credible evidence though until 4000bce

by which time they'd become a fishing community.

Yes, I can see a lot of pity here...indeed.

orion,

Why do you always ignore my questions?

Pit, anomalous holes, Daniken like claims. YES
but no credible evidence

Sanchera, I guess it is because I do not know how to use this place well. I will eventually get down to being better. I do not know from where anything alien may come. and I have read the book of Hopi. Why?

I do not believe the credible you buy into...I was once there and found that much is a lie to support the company line. See Tom Bearden.

I was just curious if you read where the Hopi believe we come from. You posted earlier that we may have been brought here by an alien race and that fits into the hopi story. They peaked my interest when I read their prophecies and how many of them have already come to pass. I never knew the swastika was an ancient symbol the Hopi used.

Wait, are you saying that the land there was flat some 11,000 years ago?

yeah
if you listen close you're gonna hear the words "Titicaca" "Hancock" And "evidence"
shortly.



Nice pic eh Ron ?

Not high on the Pic...but so what? If it is of that area in Pisco yes the locals utilize the holes already dug for such just as I once found dead dogs in the holes in West Texas dug by NGS. I guess the dogs dug the holes for their dead. Sure.

Hopi are not the only folks, check out the ancient Mexicans and the Vedic traditions.

Yes, the land was less hilly then.

Hmmm, okey, and what made the land look like it does today? Plate tectonics?

hmmmm
the locals utilise the holes yes
after they have dug them for this purpose.
Surprise surprise it turns out the holes are made by an advanced culture
if you can call a shovel and bucket advanced.
Burials in this style are found all over Mesoamerica.
Its normal
and it has a perfectly accepted orthodox answer already which has been known about since the first explorer walked over the land. I guess you can't see the bodies from an airplane
That'll be why Daniken missed it.
Ask me if you want to know how he went wrong at Nazca.
that ones real easy
i'm still waiting for the 11,000 bce link to an advanced civilisation with a boring machine like you described earlier.
any chance of that link ?

The extent of these holes and the honeycomb-effect from the sky is rather interesting...but Im seriously failing to see the connection between alien beings and .................holes.

Explorer #1: "My GOD! Look at all of those HOLES!"

Explorer #2: "No MAN could have made such holes...call Stitchen/Norten/Daniken."

Not that Im closed-minded Orion...but whenever someone mentions a crackpot like Daniken I'm inclined to tune them out. It's like the KKK using the swaztika as their standard and wondering why no one respects them as an organization.

I am not saying that aliens did this...hell, we did this. Your ancestors who were just as advanced as we are today. Muduck is a loud forum for Informal Fallacy. He uses truths to sell his point of being the King of this site. It does not wash. These holes were there from ancient times due to their apparent purpose to one who is a geological engineer. The purpose due to the alignments and uniformity say that they were used to determine geological data. The poor folks who were survivors of the catastrophe (some call it the flood) put their dead in the holes. Think outside the box.

Glad we have folks like Muduck though.

I am reading up on Mayan culture and beliefs right now. The Indian Vedas kind of threw me with their tales of atomic wars and flying saucers. A have an open mind about all that but it lacks the evidence for me to believe it as anything more then a fairytale. Possible maybe

Who is this King Muduck you speak of.
i've heard a lot about that guy
he's taken some stick over the years for telling people the truth and supplying links to it.
Someone needs to tell him that we don't need any kings round here cos we have Saruman and the mod team.
bloody upstart. when was the coronation i seem to have missed it.
imo muduck is a nasty piece of work and deserves all the criticism he gets
i get the impression its all water off a ducks back anyway.
He seems to think he's aloof from a lot of honest posters at this site who make elementary decuctions based on eroneous evidence.
Personally i totally believe that guy the other day who said that the egyptian gods were dogs
makes more sense to me than a geological survey of the same bedrock with a sample taken every ten feet or so.
gonna get a lot of similar data on that one.
and burials in Mari (thats what theyre actually called Ron). thats just proposterous.
surely they'd have carried on the normal burial tradition that existed before these holes appeared
iirc they used to dig holes in the ground and put the bodies in them so nothing like that earlier picture.
so in conclusion, if Muduck takes a stance against anything Erich Von Daniken and Ron Cook say in future my moneys with the Danker.
After all
Erich and Ron's evidence though actually non existent is far more compelling

From what point does mentality issue forth? Where did the idea seat? As a creator of things, I know how the human mind works in that state...One must put on their shoes and walk in the destruction to realize that they did have access to atomics.

Long ago, we were great and grand. Our knowledge was beyond what you see here today. Try to retro-engineer and get into their minds. When you look at what they created, try creating the same thing with stones...but then think...where did they get their models. Where is the Icon that started the point-of-departure. I am glad you are into the Mayan culture...it is vast and deep. Would we could still find their books...few remain after the Spanish burned them for the church power-that-was. One wonders if we will ever get the truth.

be careful what you wish for
you may end up living in interesting times.

Indeed so. Our supreme test is at hand.

Okay, so these pits were made by an ancient, advanced, geological survey team. Here, in this small part of S America and nowhere else? That makes less sense than grain storage pits.....

They are certainly enigmatic but I'd want to know more about the geological and archaeological context before speculating further.

At some recent point in our ancient past, humanity went through a prolonged period of earth catastrophies which started with a punctuated event of impact or pole reversal. This set off earthquakes that liquefied land masses...Humanity has not seen anything like this sence. We were highly advanced...perhaps more so than we are now with over-unity as our energy POD (point-of-departure). Peru and South America was part of this great society that ruled the earth...it is the seat of perhaps our greatest ooparts. The secret is under the Indian Ocean and thereabouts. More to come.

That doesn't answer my question, although it does suggest there's little point in my going further with this topic anyway since I suspect that geological or climatological evidence will not be in the equation

Is all this stuff out in paper back yet ?
if i hear one person say that the inhabitants of the sunda shelf were advanced then i'm getting my "jeteur du flame" out
even Roberts Schoch knows that ones wrong

Nah, I think this is more "speculative landbridge to explain distribution of lemurs and similar species prior to the discovery of plate tectonics" territory

You guys kill me. I have old HS buddies that think this way...Strik'n matches just to watch them burn.

LEMURIA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Have not heard that in a long time...but Churchwald might have had a point.

Nevin is the one who lost there...

Yeah and Yonaguini Is mu
it must be true
cos professor Masaaki Kimura says so
I like professor Masaaki Kimura.
he's a good author
did you know he had three books out claiming that Mu was in the japans area before Yonaguni was discovered.
of course he had no evidence whatsoever at the time and no one took him seriously
now his bank manager loves him
keep pushing that fallacy guys
At some point he might go find out where the Mu myth originated
but he wont publish that I'm 100% sure.

Before we truly know, this game will be called.

speak for yourself
i'm batting 100 so far this week

Are you thinking though. Have you sought? Or, did you stop and get caught up in Informal fallacies?

I had a lifetimes head start Ron
makes it far easier

Does it! Or does it just make the fact's more confused!..

It helps me put all the facts in context
something a few people would do well to attempt on their own

Maybe, but what would be the point you can not relive the past.. or can you!