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For outsiders, the ban on women's driving in Saudi Arabia is perhaps the most powerful symbol of the restrictions they suffer, and ending it may seem like it should be a priority in their struggle for rights.

But many women in the highly conservative kingdom say they have more pressing concerns - none more so than getting their rights recognised in male-controlled Islamic law courts.

With Saudi media gradually opening up as part of a slow process of reform in the oil-rich country, the plight of Saudi women seeking divorce, custody of their children or as simple a right as recognition of their offspring is being displayed on the pages of newspapers and even aired on state television.

During a recent edition of a phone-in TV program, female callers poured out their grievances and sought the advice of guest experts.

One recounted how a judge who ruled on her divorce from her drug addicted husband bowed to his demand that the ruling feature a ban on the woman remarrying or even going out without her ex-husband's permission.

In another case reported by the press, a 48-year-old Saudi woman has been going from court to court since her husband walked out on her 16 years ago. She is simply seeking a divorce and the father's recognition of his teenage daughter, who has yet to obtain an identity document enabling her to lead a normal life.

Throughout this period, the man has simply not shown up in court.

"The problem is with some judges who breach the rules of sharia (Islamic law)," said Suhaila Zain al-Abideen Hammad, a member of the National Human Rights Association (NHRA) and an expert on Islamic jurisprudence.

"These judges have a condescending, unbelieving attitude toward women, whereas they are always prepared to believe what a man says," she said.

"One common example is when a woman has perfectly good reasons for seeking a divorce but the judge grants it only on the basis that the woman forsake all her rights, be they financial or in terms of custody of her children," she added.

"Another is when a woman is bringing a case against her father or husband, and the judge asks her to come back with her legal guardian before he will look into it."

Hammad, who regularly receives complaints of this kind, said that in one instance, a judge gave a father custody of his six-year-old daughter when his ex-wife remarried. Three years later the father gave the girl in marriage to a 45-year-old man because her stepmother wanted to get rid of her.

"To be fair, it is only some judges - not all of them - who breach the sharia and the Saudi legal system (based on Islamic law). But that's bad enough, because a judge is like a surgeon -- his actions can be a matter of life or death," she said.

Hammad said a major part of the solution was to codify Islamic personal status laws into clear, unambiguous texts that leave no room for abuse or different rulings on similar cases.

"The Saudi government is actually in the process of codifying these laws as part of a drive to reform the judicial system," she said.

"The reforms will feature the establishment of courts that deal with family and other personal status matters, along with other specialized courts that will handle issues related to trade, labour, etc.," Hammad said.

"Moreover, judges who pass unfair rulings are increasingly being held accountable and punished," she added.

Hammad said the NHRA had helped raise awareness of flawed legal practices and was demanding that female legal and sharia experts be appointed in the courts to help prepare the groundwork in cases involving women in a bid to reach just rulings.
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morpheas
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i can care less if hes after oil, because im sick of paying 2.50/gallon
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Dan'O
QUOTE(morpheas @ Jul 25 2005, 02:49 AM)
this is why when bush talks about regime changes in Iran and Syria, i get really mad. his friends, the saudis are far more repressive to their people. In Iran, women can drive, women can divorce, women are better off in Iran than saudi arabia, so if he uses the excuse of going into Iran or Syria for regime changes, he's a lying, oil grabbing tyrant. he should look to his friends first, but wait, doesnt he have them wrapped round his finger? he doesnt need to go into saudi arabia that means, forget the human injustice there, lets focus on those he doesnt have wrapped round his little finger. mad.gif
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You take a genuine article about the obviously important inequalities and injustices of women in Saudi Arabia and turn it into your own little anti-Bush platform. Shame on you. Why do you like to high-jack forum topics to spread your frivolous seeds of hatred? Your blind malevolence towards President Bush has twisted you into a mindless ineptitude of impertinence. Why don't you channel your clearly copious energies into something positive instead of your typically impulsive, indecorous rantings? Rather then neurotic condemnation take the morally higher ground and offer constructive alternatives for the myriad problems that plague this planet.
AztecInca
The mere fact that there are women out there being treated like this in many countries just disgusts me beyong belief, as we are all equals and thus should be recognised as and treated as equals. Its time for the world to unite to stop these injustices from occuring!
morpheas
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Dan'O
QUOTE(morpheas @ Jul 26 2005, 02:51 AM)
i have a right at the moment to make up my mind about the injustices in this world, if you cant hack it that i criticise his policies then as you do with 'I am me' ignore me. you dont seem to take opinions different to yours  very well and for a 36 year old who has to use the IGNORE button on this site to have more 'fun', i find that very sad. you seem to have pattern where you attack anyone who says anything bad agaist your government, i am merely acknowledging the hand shakes and billion dollar business deals that bush and the saudi royals do, disregarding how the people live in saudi arabia. if there is anyone on this earth that can do something constructive for these people, its the US government in pareticular, not i sadly. the only thing i can do is highlight what i consider to be injustices and hope it is recognised.

unfortunately Dan i dont have the answers to questions which have been plaguing this planet. if i did i wouldnt be sat at my pc, i would be out doing something, but apart from landing myself in jail, i dont what i can do about the women in saudi arabia, the starving in africa, the persecuted in iraq. these sort of problems require large sums of cash and people in influencial positions (the iraq issue i know is a lot more complicated), i fall into neither category.
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You think this is about some earlier comments on a totally different thread? I would have written the above post even if it wasn't your name up there. Don't flatter yourself. And frankly I don't give a crap what you think about my use of the ignore button. I didn't know it obviously bothered you that much.
morpheas
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Dan'O
Thats a good question. I think some extensive research needs to be done. A indepth analytical breakdown of the problems by severity followed by pragmatic problem solving.

There must be some women's groups in the UK that address the problems of women in Saudi Arabia. Check them out. I will too and get back with you later on what I find...

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