The 'Metaphysics, Astrology & Psychic Phenomena' board has now been split up into three sections. The following guide will help you to decide which of those three sections you want to participate in.

Metaphysical skills & abilities
This section is for you if you are a either a believer in psychic phenomena, or believe that you possess psychic skill or abilities. Skeptics are not allowed to post in this section, this section is meant for believers only. This is necessary to allow believers to discuss their own thoughts and views without being consistantly torn into by the skeptics.

Psychic Skeptics vs Believers
This section is open to both believers and skeptics. The aim here is to provide a place for both sides to debate the topics at hand. Skeptics are welcome to criticise and debate against psychic skills, abilities and phenomena, while the believers are welcome to stand up for their side of the arguement here aswell.

Metaphysics, Astrology & Psychic Phenomena
The main part of the metaphysics board can still be used to post general discussion topics on psychic phenomena which do not fit into either of the above categories.

this was smart...

I believe in psychic phenomena but I refuse to believe ridiculous claims on this forum. To disagree on way or the other IS an opinion but now we have in reality 3 misnamed forums.

One where people can say b**** unhindered and one that they can say it at their own risk. So believers can post one both but someone who has a shread of common sense can only do the second. As for the third, it will be for those that don't read the guidelines. I would re-name those section if I was you.

Suits me though since I don't have to dodge junk anymore.

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH. Now I can actually talk about what I came here to talk about.

The reason these changes are necessary is because a lot of people seem completely incapable of putting their point across without resorting to personally ridiculing those they disagree with, as oppose to arguing against the subjects themselves.

It is a requirement of this forum that members respect the beliefs of other people, whether or not you share in those beliefs. People are entitled to post about what they believe in on this forum without having to put up with skeptical criticism everywhere they turn.



If you believe the claims are 'ridiculous' then avoid the 'Metaphysical skills & abilities' board.



How is that disadvantageous to you ? You can avoid the posts of those who you don't agree with, and can join in with discussions aimed at debating the issues in question. If you don't believe in these subjects, why would you want to post in the believer's section anyway ?



I have explained the purpose of the third section, it is for discussions relating to topics which do not fit into either of the other two.



The sections are named appropriately for their purpose on this forum.

Your disagreeable response to this attempt to bring some order to this section is a prime example of exactly why these changes are needed.

SaRu, suppose you have a question about something that has been posted on the Metaphysical skills & abilities board, can you post it?

Yes, but if the question is likely to start a debate on a subject, it's probably best to post it on the 'Psychic Skeptics vs Believers' section.

Thanks Saruman this is great!

fair enough

This is a wonderful change. The Spirituality & Skeptic forum has taken a long stride to good after you seperated it into three sections, and now people can discuss beliefs without being flamed at; not every thread is meant to be a battle.

The metaphysical forum needs the same right, and this change should bring about a good future.

Nice work Saruman

Just one query: it says that skeptics will not be allowed to post in the Metaphyscial skills and abilities section; presumably that means that overtly skeptical opinions won't be allowed, rather than that known skeptics will be prohibited? If, for instance, someone was known as a skeptic but they were genuinely interested in something that had been brought up here, they'd be allowed to do that?

Hmm...so where is the skeptics forum?

I think this is wonderful we can share the good and all of us may learn something new. I for one have been psychic all of my life, I tuned it out when I was younger but for the past 20 or more years I have been a practicing psychic and spiritual teacher. I believe we are all paychic it is just about being open for it.

Ed, I mean absolutely no insult by this, but I do believe that would be much like giving conspiracy theorists their own board that was immune to those of opposing viewpoints. Everyone would agree on everything rather quickly and the boards would just die out.

Yeah it's not skeptics themselves who are asked not to post in there, it's skeptical criticism of what's being posted. Someone who may be referred to as a skeptic on the forum is free to post in there so long as it's not to criticise or ridicule.



There's no point in a pure skeptic's forum, it would consist of nothing but criticism, ridicule and negativity towards other people.

The Skeptics vs Believers board provides a place where skeptics can contribute just the same as before.

I hope this will not be about the skeptics, why not just ignor them or send them light and love.

Fair enough Saruman. That is probably what would happen.

The reason people flame is because the forum lacks a standard of guidelines in regards the subjects. If I was here claiming I was Jesus people would be justified to question that? If 20 like me kept on doing that people would get seriously annoyed too.

I am NOT against people voicing an opinion for the last time. I am willing to discuss on the grounds that people can still accept a less "extravagant" explanation. Most however are convinced beyond redemption. Check the posts. Is there really one flame incident when the poster made a sensible question or statement of any sort? Did they really want to discuss or are they here to only listen to what agrees with them?



Its not a loss as such. I think though that someone with an actual case will probably think of posting in the believers section, because you give the impression that we bully people for no good reason. I find that rather insulting and misleading. We belleve too....we just not as gullible.



I don't disagree with the idea. Like I said I believe it labels people on the forum one way or the other. Nothing is black and white though. We have other forums that deal with controversial subjects but it never gets as bad as here. Ever wondered Saruman why the other sections didn't need that ....modification? I think we know the answer to that one...don't we?

I my self have been ridiculed for my beliefs but I have stood my ground for I know without a doubt I have a pathway that is good and of love. I have had many visions that have come true and some that amazed me, I saw the crash of the Concord in my mind and heard the people crying out in terror I had no clue at the time I had this vision of what was happening, or how I could help them. Maybe I wasn't suppose to do anything and maybe it was just a confirmation of a higher force out there in the universe telling me I really am psychic.

Forum Rules - these apply to all forum areas.



I haven't seen anyone here claiming to be Jesus - and obviously we will clamp down on the nonsense posters. The new section is not an invition to post rubbish, it's a place for serious discussion on these areas.



Yes, the majority are perfectly viable, sensible questions or comments. The reference to someone who 'only listens to what agrees with them' sounds exactly like the people who post the critical remarks that these people have to put up with when they try to discuss the subject amongst themselves. Are they not entitled to discuss anything without having to explain themselves to skeptics every time ? The incidents of flaming occur because nobody leaves them alone long enough to discuss these things in peace.



I have not given any such impression, nowhere did I accuse you or anyone else of bullying or anything else of that nature.



Have you ever paid a visit to the Spirituality boards ? The principles are the same, there are two main groups - people who believe, people who don't. The same problems arose there until the section was split up to provide a place where believers could discuss their own subjects in peace without having to put up with skeptics criticising what they believed in. This is very similar to whats happening here.

There are a limited number of controversial subjects this applies to, there are no other areas on the forum with such strong Believer Vs Skeptic sentiments.

This is better

Thank you for adding my suggestion Saruman!

Well it does say something about reposting on the same subject too...



The jesus thing was...an example...

I am glad you are taking a more energetic approach on nonsense post. It will improve everyone experience dramaticaly



I beg to differ. let me quote this...



How can this turn into something that contributes to the general knowledge against psi exactly? How is this post sensible exactly? Do explain, I have trouble understanding this...honest.



Religion is a rather taboo subject and very controversial but I won't pretend here its the same with psy-bubble. To live on faith or the lack of it, is a way you choose to view things on EVERYTHING. To use selectively this logic on one thing alone however is just convinient.

No matter though...I am looking forward to stimulating discussions on my preferred section. Please merge similar topics when you have a minute to make easier to access all the information

Why do you feel this is contributing to an arguement against the existence of 'psi' ? I would have thought it was trying to do the opposite.



There will always be, and i emphasise i am not referring to either this post nor anyone else's posts in particular - contributions from the 'lunatic fringe', as is the case in other areas of this forum aswell, and indeed on most forums.

Showing me one post and asking me 'is it sensible?' is totally irrelevant. The majority of these discussions are perfectly viable and serious, but there will always be someone who posts nonsense out of sheer devilment. That is an unfortunate inevitability that we do our best to keep to a bare minimum.



Convenient maybe, nevertheless it is as applicable to this section as it is to that one.

I'm actually going to ask for a definiton of beleiver - In this case I am not sure I understand.

Now, I beleive in psychic phenomena, but I do NOT beleive in the pre-teens on this site who claim to possess it without providing proof.

So would I be able to post in the beleivers forum, so long as I do not criticise or question those that claim to have abilaties, ect?

Yep that's fine. If you want to criticise those that claim to have abilities, the Skeptics vs Believer board is the place to go.

Alrighty, thanks.

Bio-Mage, I'll look forward to your discussions in the Skeptics vs Believers section even though I'm confused because I'm a believer in psychic abilities because I'm a skeptic who had to look at statistical evidence of psychic abilities for proof. Maybe I'll be debating myself in those forums.

Walken we're two peas in a pod.

Thanks SaRu; this is just what I wanted.