A new book has been released claiming that what crashed in Roswell was not a flying disk, but something much worse.

Stanton Friedman

Nick has talked to a number of people who told him interesting and complicated stories that supposedly lead one to the conclusion that the so called Roswell Incident did not involve an alien spacecraft or a Mogul balloon or a weather balloon radar reflector combination. Instead, what crashed was a Horton Brothers Flying wing supported by a huge Japanese designed balloon and containing disabled or genetically damaged Japanese who were used as human guinea pigs to provide data on the effects of radiation for use in the NEPA Program. NEPA stands for Nuclear Energy for the Propulsion of Aircraft.

There was indeed such a program beginning right after the war with Fairchild Aircraft and Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. There were serious concerns about how the world would react to the use of human subjects especially in light of the Nuremberg trials which revealed many unethical Nazi medical experiments on human subjects. People were kept in pressure chambers to see how long they could withstand low pressures. They were kept in freezing water to see how long they could stand the low temperatures. Obviously pilots at high altitude might be inadvertently subjected to low pressure in the case of accidents. Unspeakable things were done to people many of whom would have died in less agony in gas chambers.

The following is an except from an interview with author Nick Redfern.

Redfern: What happened was, when the war was coming to a close, there was a particular skirmish on an island in the Pacific between the Americans and the Japanese. There was a scientific medical laboratory there which was allied to the Japanese government’s notorious unit 731. Now unit 731 was literally the equivalent of what the Nazis were doing. Doing things like amputating somebody’s arm and reattaching it to somebody else just purely to see what would happen. Or putting people in low pressure or high pressure tanks and exposing them to simulated high altitude and high pressure and low pressures to see what would happen to people’s brains or their blood. Also, exposing people to high temperatures and low temperatures, a lot of things connected with how people might be affected from high altitude flight for prolonged periods. They were even infecting people with plagues. That’s what the Japanese did with Unit 731.

It’s a verifiable fact that at the end of the Second World War, in the same way that deals were done with the Germans with Operation Paperclip to bring over Nazi scientists to work for the United States, that a similar thing was done with the Japanese. A massive amount of documentation was brought over purely because, inevitably, if people have been injected with plague and biological war fare and exposed to chemical war fare or they’d been experimented on to determine this or that, there’s obviously a need to understand what the results were, as grizzly as it is. Look at it in black and white from a military perspective; people are going to want to know what the effects were.

And so a massive amount of documentation was brought over from Japan to the United States and that in itself isn’t that surprising. Where it gets kind of controversial is that when Japan was taken at the end of the Second World War and after the atomic bomb detonations, and all this material was brought back, the lady I interviewed from Oak Ridge said that they also brought back survivors from the Unit 731 camps. People who had been experimented on, who were due to be experimented on, even a number of dead bodies which were put on ice, to try to determine the affects of what killed them. All these people were brought back and taken to a hospital in Chicago where the remaining living people were kept while it was decided what to do with them. Bear in mind this was more than 60 years ago before there were a lot of guidelines like Nuremberg about medical experiments on people without their permission.

And this kind of ties in with the whole radiation experiments scandal that surfaced in the mid 90’s under President Clinton’s administration. A whole range of papers surfaced into the public domain talking about how from 1944 through to the mid 70s, literally a massive amount of radiation experimentation had been undertaken on U.S. citizens; everything from prisoners to handicapped people to children. A lot of the time they certainly weren’t beneficial and it was just purely to see what the results would be and it created a huge scandal and a number of books have been written about this subject. This was all going on in the same time period.


Is this plausible, or just BS?

It could be true who knows but it could be another person trying to spread disinformation like others have tried.

Very interesting. It seems like a great coming together of disparate events to fit the circumstances. For instance, all of the talk by some after the alien autopsy was seen, about those bodies being real humans- with progeria!

At this point, I am not so sure what to think about Roswell, but I will say this.
Give a good writer an inch, and he can run a mile, I guess. Perhaps the idea that the autopsied aliens were cadavers clicked! in Mr. Redfern's imagination. It is certainly possible- but...why not use animals for high altitude experiments?
It's only decent.


I've just run across an interesting piece about Japanese bomber balloons.
I never heard about this until tonight-

Japanese Fugo Bombs

Even if the whole roswell story had nothing to do with aliens it wouldn't really matter. That still does not prove they don't exist in my opinion. The tremendous amount of sightings, contacts, abductions, artifacts, ancient drawings and paintings, etc. All of this made up? I think not. Humans have and always had a fixation on a greater power or intelligence, probably even made contact in our primative days. We had to justify the contact in one form or another (religeon).

anyone agree?

Not really. Early cultures did make up 'tall tales' to explain what they couldn't understand, and eventually many of those stories ended up in religious texts. But that in no way proves that ETs have ever paid us a visit.

One of the main reasons I found the story interesting is not because of the alleged connection to Roswell, but because of the horrendous experiments it talks about. Many true believers in UFOs always talk about government cover-ups.

Is it possible that what they were really trying to cover up were connections to those ghastly experiments done on human beings? What better way to divert the public's attention than to let them believe in phony alien stories?

It may not be a phoney story. I don't see them sending human experiments anywhere out in the public. They would have their own fly it or control it from somewhere else. I don't believe this story about deformed Japanese prisoners flying this object. It almost makes more sense to conclude it was alien. The theory is completely bunk. There is alot of eye witness reports of metal from unknown origin and bodies that looked alien not Japanese.

If what crashed was any kind of secret military test, the Army would not have waited for a rancher to inform them of the crash before sending military personnel to examine the wreckage, five days after the crash.


They did not fly secret airplanes in New Mexico in 1947. There was plenty of room for that in California, where all the secret airplane projects were carried on.

There is no reason the Army would transport the wreckage of a crashed rocket or airplane to Fort Worth AAF, then to Wright AAF in Ohio. The wreckage of a secret plane would stay in New Mexico, and the wreckage of a secret airplane would be sent back to California, if anywhere.

Of course this story is all BS! Why would our government (which had had ties with aliens for decades before this) want to be involved with horrible experiments on people? It just doesn't make sense.

This all part of a continuing disinformation act to cover the real truth. An alien space craft crashed in a field a few miles outside of Roswell, NM. Three aliens were found dead, and the fourth surviving alien was taken to area 51, where it live for several years. The vehicle itself was taken to hangar 18 and kept there until it too landed up in area 51.

The only time the government was tied into (though not directly involved with) any type of human experimentation was at Dulce base. That is where the reptilians built huge vats and filled them with human body parts. That was not part of the agreement the government had made with them, however, and a battle ensued.

Awww I thought you were a skpetic! You seem to have changed positions rather quickly.



The last place you would find a live alien would be Area 51. Area 51 is just a secret air-force manufacturing and testing facility.



Ah yes, I remember the Dulce story. Isnt it funny how that 'security guard' didnt brink back a single piece of physical evidence? Couldnt he have brought back an alien artifact for scientific study? But, no he 'brings back' a 15 second video of aliens in tubes. Like all videos, this can easily be faked. One theory I have heard is that Dulce was a hoax done by the government to get people to think aliens were doing cattle mutilations, when our government is really responsible. Or this guy may simply be a simple hoaxter, out to fool people. Either way, until I see some physical evidence, I am going to have to conclude that the Dulce Base does not exist.

BTW, where is you proof of any of this? Do you even have proof or do you just take what people say at face value?

Skeptic102 - Sorry to put you through the trouble of tearing apart my post, it was not meant to be taken seriously. I'm still very much a skeptic. I just wanted to know what it felt like to be a blind believer. There's no way I'm doing that again!

Both the Roswell aliens and the Dulce story are completely unsubstantiated. There is no proof that either claims are real.

I also think Nick Redfern's story is highly unlikely, since it's all based on information he received from two mysterious whistle blowers. It's the claim of the experiments that I want to look into.



I think the blind believer's would say something like, "It's all true because there were witnesses." That's based on responses I got when I asked for proof.

My apologies for my earlier post to everyone who puts a genuine effort into understanding the UFO phenomena. As for the rest, believe what you will without proof to back it up.

and if they say that, there are witnessess of seeing aliens not humans

Fallingalien - Do you even know who the witnesses are that you're talking about? Have you ever done any research to find out if these witnesses are considered credible, or if they've been proven to be unreliable for any reason?

Can you supply 2 links to sites that list all these witnesses and describe not only their claims, but also any significant research done to support those claims?

How about 1 link?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm merely suggesting you do a bit more research.

Witnesses on several accounts claim to have seen small bodies with very large eyes and pupils. Big eyes, large pupils, asians?

EEEEExactly, you can deny the extravagent claims all you want and what you are left with is the truth that is beyond reproach. Many many many witnesses told of the differing locations for distribution the balloon wreckage, it is not in dispute at all. But the strange thing is those balloons were being launched from the base near roswell. Why would you send the wreckage anywhere but where it was launched originally, that doesn't make any sense. And as I've said before why isn't there a hundred or even a thousand "Roswells"? They launched thousands of Mogul balloons but had only one Roswell incident, curious

The book 'A History of UFO Crashes' by Kevin Randle is an excellent resource for many alleged crashed UFOs.

For things like Roswell

Hmm...

I have also heard about the gruesome (and never spoken about) things the Japanese did to people, especially Chinese captives.

If the above mentioned is true, then the more or less selfgrown rumour about and link to aliens of Roswell must be applauded from the powers responsible for those atrocities.

And well... after all, the Japanese joined the Nazis, who behaved and acted just the same.

It's the alleged connection to US involvement that I want to look into. I doubt there was any, but the US has done chemical, biological and radiation testing on civilians before, all covertly.

They hardly followed the code of Bushido, but the Japanese were always the worst kind of hypocrites anyways.

This is very true, But for those who have forgotten.. Japan was not on friendly term's with us during the time of the Roswell crash.

Definately not. They just had two nukes dropped on them on top of having their butts beat all the way back across the Pacific by an opponent most of them thought was a slothful, ignorant military.
I can imagine they were pretty miffed.

Well, I wouldn't call the Japanese the MOST hypocritical.

Americans aren't hypocritical, for example. They follow the aggressive, violent and fascist preachings of the Old Testament by the lines.

I wonder if that's better...

Sorry, off topic.

Given that it was 2 years after WWII that Roswell occured, I doubt the Japanese were involved in any secret experiments with the US.

If the US was conducting tests on an experimental craft, I would expect that would be keeping pretty darn close tabs on it... not let it wander off to be found and reported by a hick rancher...

This new book is clearly a work of fiction based on unsubstantiated rumors concerning the Roswell incident. There were never any bodies discovered at the Roswell debris field. And the Mogul balloon explanation for the debris makes perfect sense.

I should've been a bit more clear when I spoke of a possible US connection to the grisly experiments. I wasn't suggesting that the US was working with the Japanese government (like Redfern claims in his book). I was merely curious if it were possible that the US brought over Japanese victims of experimentation to study them. After the war ended with the dropping of two nukes, I would think that the US would've found this a great opportunity to study first hand the effects of radiation on human beings. The US did, in fact, send missionaries (and eventually doctors) to aid the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why not bring back a few test subjects?

The US government has admitted to experimenting on it's own people. Perhaps the possibility that they brought over those poor victims for study might not be such a far fetched idea.

It's very likely that the US brought radiation victims back- but not for secret research.

There is some truth to the last post, The US did bring victims into the US for treatment, but they were our own people who were POW'S during the attack on Japan.. I must say what ever the goverment want's to hide it will hide, I would be more inclined to believe we were doing testing and something just went wrong... You must remember Russia was a threat to us by this time!

Every country has done secret research on people.

In Alberta there is a base that used to used for research and testing of one thing or another. The ground is so full of toxins that you can't go into certain areas with out full Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical (NBC) gear... and full de-contamination after you leave.

There's only one tree on the whole base now... and a schwack load of rattle snakes.

If the US was willing to do experiments as described below to it's own citizens, then I'm reasonably sure that the Japanese victims could have been used for research as well.

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I'm thinking this thread should be moved to the Conspiracy Section...

I agree.

I guess this is one of proving to the Pentagon that this bomb could be used safely in a War.

Sounds like BS to me...and what is this LIE .....Germans with Operation Paperclip... ok could have thought of a better name......

There was no balllon, monkeys or japanese..... The so called aliens were 3-4 feet tall.. if they were people there would be no mystery about the whole thing...