Hey just wanted to mention a few that I've seen (on pics) lol
What do you think?
what are they trying to tell us?
or who?
Have some more, but takes too much space, I'll put 'em later on....

I really wish they could figure out, How this is happening.. I do not believe aliens are doing it, But there has to be more to it then just people out to play a joke.!

I'm pretty positive they're man-made. There are many societies (there's a local one here) and groups assembled for the sole purpose of the art.

All I can say is that they look beautiful. I'm not big on the Aliens theory but the whole thing about these crop circles sure is weird. Some of the designs are very complicated and elaborate and would surely need people with some good knowledge in geometry and would take quite a lot of precision planning and hard work to accomplish. I mean, some designs are way too complex to be made by a bunch of fun seekers overnight.

I saw a show on Discovery earlier and it showed few of the show's crew members making a crop circle at night. They attempted to make a few small circles and they did succeed but they were quite small and simple to make.

Huge number of complex crop circles seem to pop up quite frequently, they would surely need a lot of people to do it and would involve a lot of activity at night. I mean, they would surely need lights or torches atleast.

My question is: how can so much activity go unnoticed if it is indeed made by art lovers or pranksters, or, is there something more to it?

There are new ones here in England every year. I am going on another tour to Wiltshire where the Crop Circle hot spot is, And I will promise to bring back alot of pics for all you to see ! Last time I went in early september, quite a few of the people on tour had problems when their cameras mysteriously malfunctioned. A few photographs from that day of the day showed a few Orbs.

They are done at late at night, which explains why they are typically discovered in the morning, not being seen the day before. Very rarely do you hear of them popping up during the day.

Yeah, I know that it's done at night. If you look at the bigger ones, they surely suggest a lot of hours of hard work than just a few hours on one night.
Lots of these things keep coming up all the time, you would imagine no matter
what time at night that these people are supposedly making them, they would have been noticed at one time or the other. How come this never happens?
I mean, you would imagine 20 to 30 guys at least(in the case of the bigger ones) with torches or lights at night stamping down the crops to create these patterns, not to mention all the shouting and signalling that such an activity would take and all the ruckus it would create. How come an activity happening so frequently -one which is so common, considering the sheer number of crop circles, goes unnoticed all the time?

It is irritating to see that there are a lot of people who think all crop circles are created by man over night. From what I have seen, experienced, it is unlikely.

I would recommend for those who are interested in this Phenomena, should go on a tour, ideally Wiltshire, England. If you can witness and experience a Phenomena as remarkable as Crop Circles, do not hold back , just take the opportunity. Afterall, it is rare to get one, as all the other phenomenas are not accessible for those who look for them.. You can not go out looking for Aliens.. perhaps the only Supernatural Phenomenas we can appreciate are Spirits and Crop Circles at this time.

maybe, just maybe, its a cry for help...

i wouldnt be calling them crop circles anymore, more like crop art >.>

I think quite a few people would be more inclined to believe that they are not man made, if there was a logical and believable alternative.

I tend to lean toward the other-wordly or supernatural side myself due to the complexity of some shapes. If they are man-made, however, it warms my heart to know that people out there that still want to create beauty so badly.

A question though -- why aren't these societies of people who make them shut down? I mean, these people are out trespassing in other's fields ruining crops that are the livelihood of the farmers.

mechanical pieces to be scaled down and placed on top of each other ghostrider

Just being a hard nosed retired civil engineer here . . . who has done a fair bit of construction staking in his time . . . which is neccessary to turn any set of plans into reality. I would be very pleased if any of the proponents of the man-made scheme would just tell me, for the more complex ones, how control points were set. Even if they could be made using people stomping on boards with ropes for distance, for the geometrics of the complex ones, many control points would be needed. One for each separate non-concentric circular curve would be needed, and others set for other constructions. If you think it can be done by merely walking in a circle and/or straight lines, or that control points can be set by guess and by golly, think again, it can't. Given that most of them seem to be constructed at night, in darkness, it becomes quite interesting. I wouldn't want to have to be the one to figure it out, and then leave, apparently, no traces of said control points. A puzzlement to me, for sure. So someone tell me how it is done. Take a complex one, show the control points, provide a flow diagram of the actual work, including the setting of said control points, and estimate times neccessary for each activity. Not so easy a task, I should say. I am not asking for one to be constructed . . . just a concise plan for doing so. To simply say that it must have been done by some kind of jokers is abject foolishness

Let's face it, some people have come forward admitting to faking a crop circle, however, does that mean that every other crop circle ever made was a fake? Why do people always assume that if one thing is proven fake, that they all must be fake? It's like counterfeit money (the only analogy I can think of) ...just because some money is proven to be fake, does that mean the rest is as well?

I remember watching quite a few shows on crop circles, and some farmers actually experienced radiation sickness after being exposed to the circle. How do you explain the radiation if they were man made?


If these circles are indeed from aliens, then my best guess is that they serve as landmarks for them to see from the sky in case they are interested in that area.

I just don't think it's fair (with any phenomena) to call it all fake just because there might have been cases that were.

I don't think that the Crop circles are fake, even if they had 100 people working on it at night, I don't think that they would get everything so perfect, they would have to have enough lighting, tools and what not, they would drive the attention of some people or at least their would have to be a witness to it...

I watched a show on tlc about crop circles.....it was mostly about the phenomenon but they're were some guys on there claiming they had made some crop circles but they believe some of the more complex ones are not made by man.

It was pretty interesting stuff, there was also this one scientist that said great storms were making these .....One thing I do know is that nature is chaotic and I seem to think that theres nothing chaotic at all about crop circles.


also if these are indeed made by aliens I believe them to be a subtle way of cummicating with us, if so most of the population just doesnt seem to understand what they mean and well neither do I

Why do they only appear in crop fields? Why not areas where there's large fields of wild grass or other non cereal plants?

It's apparent that these things are meant to be seen, and that rules out natural phenomena as an explanation.

If it were a form of communication, then do they use a medium that won't last?

My opinion is that it's nothing more than crop art.

Does anybody live around places where these crop circles crop up?
Was there any serious investigation to know who is making them? Were any surveillance cameras and stuff like that set up at any of these places? What did the farmers have to say about them?

Btw, could the crop circles be all man made and all the stories about aliens and stuff just hyped to attract tourism? Are the farmers and all the expert artists
involved because there seems to be hardly any witnesses to such an elaborate activity?

Too many questions...I know.
Thoughts, anybody?

Multidimensional crop circles effect the earth electromagnetic grid to enliven and clear blockages along important leys that effect the rest of Europe etc, hence Illuminati/freemasonic churches and cathedrals have lost access to the energy pulsating within their geometric stone designs built over over certain ley lines in England. The energy also efects the mental matrix of the collective local community to do the same as we are all linked to the earth energeticly. The circles are deliberately made to look visually pretty and unoffensive to the locals as well as trigger a few from time to time into mental reevaluations and spirit revelations. Well, I may be close with those ideas or probably, I may have to sit down and start on writing a Sci-Fi novel or something about ET phoning Earth electromagneticly. Are we being altere by ET electromagneticly?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p?showtopic=312

Like in the below picture, we are dealing with electromagnetic energies probably on a very unusual level. I only assume this from readings where in the majority they use this ype of technology. Below n artist plays with diagonal and horozontal shades to depict lightpower from sky to earth. May the Forces be with ou.

http://www.controversial-science.com/curre...-comparison.htm

I just had to post this in three, 3.

What do you make of this? It's not on a crop circle, but a circle on ice, they're appearing everywhere in the USA and Canada....I don't know if it has something to do with the crop circles though
maybe you guys have seen this elsewhere?

Is that first image in the origonal post from 2005?

I think the commonality of the crop circles phenomenon (apart from the known manmade ones) is that they are obviously artificial, given the geometric qualities of the circles and designs within. For me it's like 'we are here, be prepared and we are coming any minute'.

Have you ever heard of Fairy Rings?

They're rings where the grass is darker than the surrounding grass... it's a natural phenomenon- but many used to believe they were where fairies danced.

I'm sure that Ice Rings can form naturally too. With the changes that are occuring in the world's climate, we can expect to see strange natural events crop up like this.

As for Crop Cirlces, I believe the earliest ones are a natural phenomenon too- as they were very simple, and plain... however, once the idea of UFO's and ET's got introduced (since strange lights have been connected with the earliest circles), the patterns have started getting more elaborate... which to me indicates in general that humans have started doing them.

Of course, the human participation within the phenomenon could simply be a ruse perpetrated by the Government to through sand in the eyes of the populace in order to hide the fact that ET's are here...

Some of the are quite beautiful though, and I have started collecting pictures of them for that reason.

Any explanation as to how they were a natural phenomenon?

Well, one theory involves magnetic fields being forced into a vortex. Mind you, there's little to substantiate this.

It is just my opinion... and more logical than the idea that somebody... or several somebodys decided on the spur of the moment to bend crops in a big circle.

There is much about nature we still do not know... and weird things keep popping up in relatonship to it. It's only going to get weirder as our climate continues to deteriorate.

Very odd you say that.

I would have thought that the most logical reason that can be found for a simple circle in the middle of a farmers field, would be that some people did it.

Not an energy vortex that is not even known to exist.

Funny that.

May I ask what logical reason two hicks would have to start a crop circle in the first place?

You also failed to mention that I referred to the creation of Fairy Rings- which is a natural occurance. I'm saying that it's cynical- and illogical to assume that EVERY crop circle is made by humans.

Nature is still showing us things we never expected. The first crops circles could be an example- but with so many people (yes, I definately agree that the more elaborate circles are made my people) creating them, science has decided basically to ignore what might be a new aspect of nature and possibly weather systems in general.

Vortices aren't unknown- what do you think hurricane's and tornado's are? Vortices. Even after years of studying... they're still not completely understood.

Don't think you know everything... none of us knows everything.

We are not talking about Hicks, silly.

You said:



Therefore not hicks. I believe the earliest crop circles do not originate from North America.



I steer away from anything that 'scientific term' that has the word fairy in it. I did not fail to mention it, I simply did not mention it.



Good for you. I never said anything to the contrary.



Again, you have picked up an argument from something I said that does not relate to what you are now mentioning or was not intended to be the main part of my argument.
Vortexes are not completely unknown. True.
However let us please keep everything in context here.

You said that you do not believe the earliest recorded crop circles to be man made, but instead that a magnetic vortex made them.
I simply replied by saying that human intereference was much more likely in my mind.
That is why I made the comment about vortexes.



And that came from...?


(Edit for grammar).

"Hicks" is simply a term for those living in rural areas- such as myself. Regardless I see no logic in why anybody would spontaneously decide to trample crops for the first time.

"Fair Rings" is- once again, just slang. It is what people used to call them since it was at one time believed that fairies made them. It is not the scientific term for them.

This comment is the one that made me make the comment about hicks spontaneously making a crop circle:



As I said, the term "Hicks" is slang for any rural dweller- not necessarily North American... if I referred to someone as a Cossack, would you automatically assume I meant they were Russian?

As for the vortex, you yourself said it would be an unknown type. Since vortices in general are known, there is always the possibility that there might be others.

As for the last comment, I'm not going to say anything- it was discussed elsewhere.

We have a different definiton then.
I have only ever heard it being used to refer to North American rural people.
I have never once in my life heard it being used to describe English Farmers.
That threw me off.



Obviously! The Cossacks were in the Russian Empire for centuries. They pleged their alliegance to the Tsars.



I don't discount that vortexes are a possibility. An article on them and crop circles was published on the BBC website. However, I believe in many early cases they were just people mucking about. Never know I suppose.



I am glad to see I am famous then. For future reference, if you wish to talk about me, you can refer to me as 'the king'.
Just an idea.

(Edit for grammar).

So... why would rural people of the UK suddenly feel like making a crop circle- that just doesn't seem like something a logical British citizen would do.

I just find it more plausible that a naturally occuring magnetic vortex, mixed with "earth lights" (a possible cause of the lights that have been linked with many crop circles) as a cause of crop circles than people simply deciding to have a lark.

"Cossack" is also slang these days for someone you would consider a peasant, or traitor.

I don't know what the general British public were like five hundred years ago...not exactly anyway.

Trying to walk over a sandy sinking bay over the sea, whilst carrying the crown jewels, doesn't seem like a logical thing to do, but an Englishman did it anyway.



So?
That still doesn't have anything to do with the argument, the thread, or the earlier comment you made about Cossacks.
Well it probably does to you, but not to me.
I am probably not intelligent enough to understand the link anyway...

Your King, over and out.

I suppose it would be easy enough from a practical point of view to make a simple, basic crop circle by human hand - stick a stake in the middle of a field with a long rope tied to it and go round and round and round in ever decreasing circles - but the sheer manpower that would be needed to make these most elaborate formations - the planning and the supervision, plus the need to have someone overseeing from a position where they could see the whole thing - in may cases, that could only be from the air - makes me wonder. How long would it take to create something like the most elaborate patterns, but yet they always spring up literally overnight. And why is suspicious activity - think of the lighting that would be needed - rarely, if ever, reported when these things appear?

I'm not saying that aliens necessarily have to make them, but i am dubious about the 'professional crop circle makers' who claim to do these things, but rarely seem to come up with the goods when asked to.

I'm interested in the fact that as years have gone by from the first serious crop circle report, that the designs have gone from simple circles to such complex geometric designs.

Surely ET's aren't trying to impress us with their artwork...

I still maintain the the earliest ones are a natural phenomena- possibly connected with the changing weater patterns, possibly ley lines... or maybe possibly an early indication of a magnetic shift?

However, the later ones are indeed artificial... and well planned. Of course there is still the low level radiation, the fact that frequently none of the stalks are broken, and that often there is such a uniform look to the rotation of the plants as they form the circle.

Are any of you aware of the fields, in the Uk in which they placed video camera's over night. The fields were watch all night only to have a crop circle appear the next morning! The tape's showed no proof of human nor alien activity,Which in my opinion would mean something more on the line's of magnet activity in some area's of the plant!

indeed... but the complexity of the designs must show that there must be a design behind it, an intelligence ... so if it's not ET sitting up there in his saucer, or a couple of old yokels with a few sticks and some rope, and it is a natural phenomenon, then what is the intelligence that designs them?

I remember hearing about that.

Were they complex shapes, or simple circles? If so, it would offer some substantiation of the magnetic vortex theory.

I do believe some people have looked into crop circle locations and ley lines too.

Exactly, some of the modern ones do not seem to have been possibly made over night.
However, there are a lot of hoaxes on the internet and it can be hard to get your hands on a real, truly inexplicable example.

7- I agree, which is why I asked about whether they were complex shapes, or simple circles. I've heard about the experiments, but haven't seen anything on them.

Am I correct in assuming that these circles have been found also in Deserts in the sand?

I find it hard to believe that man make the more intricate ones in one night and many of the crops that have been flattened during the process of making them has actually been pulled up and inch before being flattening has taken place.

There is also large magnetic readings in many of the Circles.

I think these are not the work of ET but some strange weather phenomena.

XSAS- I haven't heard about any in deserts, though I could be wrong given the size of many of the world's desert, and how sparcely populated they are.

I have never heard of any being found in the desert either What i find to be so strange are the small ball's of light, that have been filmed over many of the circle's, they have found in the UK.. There's light's were so bright, they could clearly be seen in the day time.

A common phenomenon used to classify some UFO's is Earth Lights. This is electrical-like light caused minor tectonics- it is very common along lines of magnetic force- and faut lines.

Had a quick search for the sand circles and found a few here http://uk.kornsirkler.org/relaterte_fenomen.htm

Some nice pics. A couple of the sand circles look like minor impact craters to me.

I agree but I did once come across a site that had some good aerial photo's of these circles in deserts, I guess if some of them are formed by some form of mini tornado or electrical vortex, there is no reason they can't be found in sand or snow?

I agree, there is not reason that they should not appear in snow, or sand

As I've said earlier, with the way our climate is changing, I'm sure we can expect nature to toss things like this out at us.

There is so much we still have to learn. The learning is the fun of it all though, eh?