http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm
take alook at that site, makes you think about the event in an entirly new way.
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This argument does make a couple of good points regarding the remains of the plane, but it fails to suggest either where the remains of a truck/van might be found in the photos or what actually happened to AA 77.
I don't recall seeing any plane debris at the WTC site either, did those perhaps not get hit by planes either?
I don't recall seeing any plane debris at the WTC site either, did those perhaps not get hit by planes either?
At the WTC there did not appear to be any parts of the plane because it pretty much desintigrated on impact, but at the pentigon, the damage does not even indicate a plane hit.
already discussed
This takes you to a thread that was actually the second thread discussing this, but this thread has a link to the original, more detailed thread that seems to longer be available.
Truth is, there is no conspiracy here, as the plane literally melted by the heat. There are a few web sites that discuss this, and even reference the site that was linked
This takes you to a thread that was actually the second thread discussing this, but this thread has a link to the original, more detailed thread that seems to longer be available.
Truth is, there is no conspiracy here, as the plane literally melted by the heat. There are a few web sites that discuss this, and even reference the site that was linked
| QUOTE (Uranium_235 @ Jul 14 2003, 11:33 PM) |
| At the WTC there did not appear to be any parts of the plane because it pretty much desintigrated on impact, but at the pentigon, the damage does not even indicate a plane hit. |
How could anyone possibly know how much damage a plane would cause to the Pentagon if not based on this event? The is the only plane of that size that hit the pentagon, and what you see is the damage caused by one.
WARNING: While I know it was already discussed, I missed the other discussions as I only became aware of this wonderful place recently. This is a bitter opinion, my opinion, that I post in defiance of the heavy hesitation making knots out of my stomach. It may or may not be factual. It is part of what I believe happened on that day and the reason behind it. It may be offensive to some who consider the corporate US and one of its affiliates to be honorable institutions. Comment on this at will, for the more minds we have trying to tear to the source of the problem, the more likely it is that the solution will present itself.
Yes, Flt 77's supposed plunge into the Pentagon leaves many unanswered questions....
....as it was supposed to.
As long as they can keep our minds thinking of things like this, the bigger picture gets small enough to fade from view. According to the last site linked in the original thread, rumsfeld (his name doesn't deserve the standard capitalization that proper nouns are usually given) reported that the plane penetrated 3 of the 5 concentric rings of the pentagon. In every photograph I've seen depicting all 5 rings, I could only see damage to the outside ring...
As for the sand? Significant only because the corporate US wants it to be. Some say it was because of the mass spilled jet fuel (which probably burned off completely in the explosion), some say because big trucks hauling debris out would have been slipping and sliding in the grass (could be, but after having experienced an ex-boyfriend who got his truck stuck in both dry and wet sand while trying to show off his ability to do 'donuts', I doubt it...). In either case, it was meant to simply cause speculation as to what the purpose of the sand really might be. Stop and look at the big picture...
What happened to the plane? It was probably rigged with bombs and detonated just before impact, blown to pieces before it even fully broke through the first ring. No large debris, but lots of little pieces. This was most likely done to ensure that questions would be asked as to where the fuselage went, questions worthy of large debate, large debate worthy of taking your attention off of other things that happened that day. Again, stop and look at the bigger picture...
One of the more telling factors lies in the choice of targets and the paths taken to those targets...
Earlier that day, AA Flt 11 and UA Flt 175 were flown into the North & South towers of the the World Trade Center, respectively. I'm no 'terrorist', but that doesn't mean I can't imagine being one. If I had control of the planes and my agenda was terrorism and causing as much chaos and destruction as I could, the towers would've been a secondary, possibly even a tertiary target. Both of those planes flew either very close to or directly over a place called Indian Point, about 40 miles north of the WTC on the Hudson River. At Indian Point are three nuclear reactors, two of which have been online since the mid 70s. A Boeing 757 colliding into one of these would've resulted in at least 3 more zeros at the end of the body count. The north eastern US would resemeble parts of Afghanistan & Iraq; radioactive wastelands for thousands of years. If this was the actions of terrorists and not a rogue corporation in unlawful control of a republic once called America wanting to sway public opinion in favor of another war without scrapping too much of the collateral on the table (taxpayer lives), why did they not take Indian Point out?
Another telling factor is in the order in which the towers collapse.
The south tower falls first, the north tower was hit first. The north tower was impacted closer to center, yet the south tower falls first. How? Those two buildings were not destroyed by the planes. They were blown up. Controlled demolition. If it wasn't, then why were the remains of the columns shipped almost immediately out of the country? If it wasn't, then why'd a seismograph at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, pick up tremors measuring 2.1 and 2.3 (the highest readings on the scale during the incident) before the collapses started rather than the moment the debris hit the ground?
Another telling factor is in the delay times between the ATC & NORAD.
Accoriding to NORAD's official timeline, an open line of communcation was not started between the two agencies until 3 planes were down. Other sources indicate that for each of the three hijackings previous to the open line, a minimum of 20 minutes elapsed before the ATC notified NORAD. In the case of Payne Stewart's tragic accident, ATC notified NORAD of the loss of contact IMMEDIATELY. One has to wonder, was the delay a product of malfunction in equipment or mis-execution of procedure, or was it intentional?
And there are still other things that make mincemeat out of any official explanation trying to pin 9/11 on osama bin laden, the taliban, al qaeda, saddam hussein, or any other 'terrorist' organization (other than themselves):
Why was there heavy short selling of stocks (a classic indicator of foreknowledge), particularly in the airline industry, during the week preceeding the tragedy? Who knew and how?
Why did WTC-7 collapse? Nothing hit it. Why'd it fall?
Why is all evidence linking any part of this to israelis so highly classified that people talk of losing their jobs at the mere mention of it?
Only one word can logically answer all of these questions (and it isn't terrorism): money.
9/11 happened for the exact same reason that Pearl Harbor happened; to put the general public in a state of fear intense enough so that they can perpetuate their war machine, milk the profit of blood and spoils of war for themselves, alienate its own slaves even further with heinous pieces of legislation (like the Patriot Act), and implement their grotesque collectivist agenda throughout the world with military force without arousing too much dissent. While containing information has become very difficult with the inception of the Internet, polluting the media with massive amounts of false information can distort one's sense of truth rather easily.
The wars and forceful occupations, the depleted uranium poisoning of the world, the "terrorist attacks", the national threat level, the "debt", the feds, the kidnapping of America by the corporation, the drug wars and the wars on drugs, terminal diseases like cancer and AIDS and the wars to treat their symptoms rather than cure the problem, the mercury contamination in most of the world's oceans, obesity, feminism, neurotoxins such as flouride in toothpaste and tap water, being able to identify the source of manufacturization and genetic manipulation rather than the source of origin of the ingredients in alot of the foods we consume, airport security, the FDA approving Aspartame knowing full well what it does, the technological rape of the planet, the corporate US military using unknowing human beings to test biological and chemical weapons, the misrepresentation of knowledge in the textbooks that our children are subject to in federally funded schools, the Patriot Act, the enslaving of the American people from the day they are born, and the wasting away of what is left of the American Republic will continue so long as both the money continues to spin the world on its own personal axis of evil and the majority of We the People are content with their blue pill prescriptions...
Living in Hawaii and being told stories of Pearl Harbor by people who were actually alive at the time (one of which is my grandmother, who today lives less than 20 minutes from the harbor as does the rest of my family) and then knowing the reality of what made that day happen, I can no longer put anything past the monsters of the corporation. Blood means nothing to them, only money and power.
Like I said, comment on this at will. If you feel offended, please take a moment to relax; everyone has an opinion and this was mine...
Yes, Flt 77's supposed plunge into the Pentagon leaves many unanswered questions....
....as it was supposed to.
As long as they can keep our minds thinking of things like this, the bigger picture gets small enough to fade from view. According to the last site linked in the original thread, rumsfeld (his name doesn't deserve the standard capitalization that proper nouns are usually given) reported that the plane penetrated 3 of the 5 concentric rings of the pentagon. In every photograph I've seen depicting all 5 rings, I could only see damage to the outside ring...
As for the sand? Significant only because the corporate US wants it to be. Some say it was because of the mass spilled jet fuel (which probably burned off completely in the explosion), some say because big trucks hauling debris out would have been slipping and sliding in the grass (could be, but after having experienced an ex-boyfriend who got his truck stuck in both dry and wet sand while trying to show off his ability to do 'donuts', I doubt it...). In either case, it was meant to simply cause speculation as to what the purpose of the sand really might be. Stop and look at the big picture...
What happened to the plane? It was probably rigged with bombs and detonated just before impact, blown to pieces before it even fully broke through the first ring. No large debris, but lots of little pieces. This was most likely done to ensure that questions would be asked as to where the fuselage went, questions worthy of large debate, large debate worthy of taking your attention off of other things that happened that day. Again, stop and look at the bigger picture...
One of the more telling factors lies in the choice of targets and the paths taken to those targets...
Earlier that day, AA Flt 11 and UA Flt 175 were flown into the North & South towers of the the World Trade Center, respectively. I'm no 'terrorist', but that doesn't mean I can't imagine being one. If I had control of the planes and my agenda was terrorism and causing as much chaos and destruction as I could, the towers would've been a secondary, possibly even a tertiary target. Both of those planes flew either very close to or directly over a place called Indian Point, about 40 miles north of the WTC on the Hudson River. At Indian Point are three nuclear reactors, two of which have been online since the mid 70s. A Boeing 757 colliding into one of these would've resulted in at least 3 more zeros at the end of the body count. The north eastern US would resemeble parts of Afghanistan & Iraq; radioactive wastelands for thousands of years. If this was the actions of terrorists and not a rogue corporation in unlawful control of a republic once called America wanting to sway public opinion in favor of another war without scrapping too much of the collateral on the table (taxpayer lives), why did they not take Indian Point out?
Another telling factor is in the order in which the towers collapse.
The south tower falls first, the north tower was hit first. The north tower was impacted closer to center, yet the south tower falls first. How? Those two buildings were not destroyed by the planes. They were blown up. Controlled demolition. If it wasn't, then why were the remains of the columns shipped almost immediately out of the country? If it wasn't, then why'd a seismograph at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, pick up tremors measuring 2.1 and 2.3 (the highest readings on the scale during the incident) before the collapses started rather than the moment the debris hit the ground?
Another telling factor is in the delay times between the ATC & NORAD.
Accoriding to NORAD's official timeline, an open line of communcation was not started between the two agencies until 3 planes were down. Other sources indicate that for each of the three hijackings previous to the open line, a minimum of 20 minutes elapsed before the ATC notified NORAD. In the case of Payne Stewart's tragic accident, ATC notified NORAD of the loss of contact IMMEDIATELY. One has to wonder, was the delay a product of malfunction in equipment or mis-execution of procedure, or was it intentional?
And there are still other things that make mincemeat out of any official explanation trying to pin 9/11 on osama bin laden, the taliban, al qaeda, saddam hussein, or any other 'terrorist' organization (other than themselves):
Why was there heavy short selling of stocks (a classic indicator of foreknowledge), particularly in the airline industry, during the week preceeding the tragedy? Who knew and how?
Why did WTC-7 collapse? Nothing hit it. Why'd it fall?
Why is all evidence linking any part of this to israelis so highly classified that people talk of losing their jobs at the mere mention of it?
Only one word can logically answer all of these questions (and it isn't terrorism): money.
9/11 happened for the exact same reason that Pearl Harbor happened; to put the general public in a state of fear intense enough so that they can perpetuate their war machine, milk the profit of blood and spoils of war for themselves, alienate its own slaves even further with heinous pieces of legislation (like the Patriot Act), and implement their grotesque collectivist agenda throughout the world with military force without arousing too much dissent. While containing information has become very difficult with the inception of the Internet, polluting the media with massive amounts of false information can distort one's sense of truth rather easily.
The wars and forceful occupations, the depleted uranium poisoning of the world, the "terrorist attacks", the national threat level, the "debt", the feds, the kidnapping of America by the corporation, the drug wars and the wars on drugs, terminal diseases like cancer and AIDS and the wars to treat their symptoms rather than cure the problem, the mercury contamination in most of the world's oceans, obesity, feminism, neurotoxins such as flouride in toothpaste and tap water, being able to identify the source of manufacturization and genetic manipulation rather than the source of origin of the ingredients in alot of the foods we consume, airport security, the FDA approving Aspartame knowing full well what it does, the technological rape of the planet, the corporate US military using unknowing human beings to test biological and chemical weapons, the misrepresentation of knowledge in the textbooks that our children are subject to in federally funded schools, the Patriot Act, the enslaving of the American people from the day they are born, and the wasting away of what is left of the American Republic will continue so long as both the money continues to spin the world on its own personal axis of evil and the majority of We the People are content with their blue pill prescriptions...
Living in Hawaii and being told stories of Pearl Harbor by people who were actually alive at the time (one of which is my grandmother, who today lives less than 20 minutes from the harbor as does the rest of my family) and then knowing the reality of what made that day happen, I can no longer put anything past the monsters of the corporation. Blood means nothing to them, only money and power.
Like I said, comment on this at will. If you feel offended, please take a moment to relax; everyone has an opinion and this was mine...
maybe terrorists didn't know about the reactor...tall buildings are much more attractive to a kamikaze pilot.
I feel that something is up though, how can you not? There's just too many questions, and a president we are beginning to trust less and less.
I feel that something is up though, how can you not? There's just too many questions, and a president we are beginning to trust less and less.
i personnally think that any speculation on the 9/11 attacks should be made outwith the usa...no offence but you guys are so paranoid that to break wind next to you ,would encur a lawsuit for exposure to biologigal chemicals
about the reactors....
Tests were caried out in the 1960's or somthing on nuclear power station walls. They slamed airplains into them as fast as they could but the concreate wall withstood the collision. Therefore crashing a plane into the reactors is probably futile.
Tests were caried out in the 1960's or somthing on nuclear power station walls. They slamed airplains into them as fast as they could but the concreate wall withstood the collision. Therefore crashing a plane into the reactors is probably futile.
Well guys, I viewed the site and as a matter of fact, it all made sense. I recently downloaded this video clip call "The Truth and Lies behind 9-11" I highly recommend viewing it since it puts alot of things into prespective. The entire video is fully authentic and has a US$1,000 reward if you can prove that anything he says in the video is false!
Once you have seen that, you realize that the US Government has been lying all along. Currently in the news, the Head of the CIA admits to giving unconfirmed reports of Nuclear wepons being in Iraq. There never was any! The war was just a means to be able to get control of the oil fields. Why was bush so worried about protecting the oil fields in the first place? I didnt realize any of this until I took one giant step back and analyzed every single piece of information.
A little facts: 20% of facts are absorbed by reading
60% " " seeing and hearing
80% " " seeing, hearing, and doing
9-11 was 80%, we believed everything they said. For example, when an aircraft is hijacked, F-16's deploy 10 minutes later to escort the hijacked aircraft without the need for any Presidential Orders. Presidential orders are only required to shoot the aircraft down. On 9/11, 4 aircrafts were hijacked, but the F-16 were only deployed 75 minutes later! Why is that???
Guys get the video as mentioned above and your entire prespective on todays Politics will change.
Once you have seen that, you realize that the US Government has been lying all along. Currently in the news, the Head of the CIA admits to giving unconfirmed reports of Nuclear wepons being in Iraq. There never was any! The war was just a means to be able to get control of the oil fields. Why was bush so worried about protecting the oil fields in the first place? I didnt realize any of this until I took one giant step back and analyzed every single piece of information.
A little facts: 20% of facts are absorbed by reading
60% " " seeing and hearing
80% " " seeing, hearing, and doing
9-11 was 80%, we believed everything they said. For example, when an aircraft is hijacked, F-16's deploy 10 minutes later to escort the hijacked aircraft without the need for any Presidential Orders. Presidential orders are only required to shoot the aircraft down. On 9/11, 4 aircrafts were hijacked, but the F-16 were only deployed 75 minutes later! Why is that???
Guys get the video as mentioned above and your entire prespective on todays Politics will change.
Oh I forgot to mention, there was confirmed reports of a 600% surge in the amount of put options on both airlines 2 days before the attack. Whoever made those Put Options, made 2.5 Million US$ but till today, it remains unclaimed. FurtherMore, the Israeli's who had an entire floor in the WTC, cut their lease short of a week, and cleared out their people.
The reason I feel so strongly about this is because I, being a Muslim, am disgusted by the way the media has spoilt the religion's name. Im not a hardcore muslim, but still I respect my religion as well as others. In the news, do you hear of Christian Snipers? No. Only Muslim or Muslim converted snipers. The US Govt has alot of issues. With their policy of nuclear warhead, where there should be no nukes in the world, why does the US have 12,544 (time mag, 1997)??
Guys just throwing my opinion out there..
The reason I feel so strongly about this is because I, being a Muslim, am disgusted by the way the media has spoilt the religion's name. Im not a hardcore muslim, but still I respect my religion as well as others. In the news, do you hear of Christian Snipers? No. Only Muslim or Muslim converted snipers. The US Govt has alot of issues. With their policy of nuclear warhead, where there should be no nukes in the world, why does the US have 12,544 (time mag, 1997)??
Guys just throwing my opinion out there..
They should take away all the weapons from the US, they should not be allowed to have a military like japan, until they get bush out of office, but i dought getting bush out of office will change anything because it is still th same puppeteer just a differnet puppet.
| QUOTE (Outbreak @ Jul 16 2003, 03:46 AM) |
| On 9/11, 4 aircrafts were hijacked, but the F-16 were only deployed 75 minutes later! Why is that??? |
Not 75 minutes later...
In all of this, when you see the word 'hijacked', it can be defined as follows: When the ATC/FAA has lost both voice contact & IFF transponder of an airliner. All times indicating that NORAD has claimed such are derived from NORAD's official timeline release of the event (found at www.norad.mil -> newsroom -> news releases). Instead of separating it by flight, I organized it into chronological order.
AA Flt 11 was hijacked at approximately 8:20am.
NORAD claims that notification of Flt 11's hijacking was received at 8:40am.
UA Flt 175 was hijacked at approximately 8:42am.
NORAD claims that notification of Flt 175's hijacking was received at 8:43am.
NORAD ordered 2 F-15s out of Otis in the air at 8:46am.
AA Flt 11 impacts the North tower at 8:46am. No F-15s or F-16s in the skies yet.
NORAD claims 2 F-15s were up in the air at 8:52am.
AA Flt 77 was hijacked at approximately 8:56am, 9/11/01.
UA Flt 175 impacts the South tower at 9:02am. NORAD claims that the F-15s were still 71 miles away*.
UA Flt 93 was hijacked at approximately 9:20am.
NORAD claims that notification of Flt 77's hijacking was received at 9:24am and immediately orders two F-16s to scramble out of Langley. It is speculated that at this point, the FAA/ATC and NORAD establish an open line of communiciation.
NORAD claims 2 F-16s airborne out of Langley at 9:30am.
AA Flt 77 impacts the Pentagon at 9:37am. NORAD claims that the F-16s were over 100 miles away at the time of impact*.
NORAD estimates that UA flt 93 impacted ground in Pennsylvania at 10:03am. NORAD claims that F-16s were still 100 miles away at the time of impact.*
*-Estimations of distance to target at time of impact were done by NORAD using a speed factor of .9 mach, less than 50% of the top speed of an F-15 or an F-16.
hey im in full support for the demolition theory- the official thoery just doesnt make any sense! we also now know that the WMD theory is now almost complete crap and here in the uk it is really boiling up with all these lies!
is anyone considering the role of Israel here? im getting increasingly angry about the "american crusade" thats becoming increasingly obvious to us more and more!
is anyone considering the role of Israel here? im getting increasingly angry about the "american crusade" thats becoming increasingly obvious to us more and more!
I'm pretty sure Bush was behind it or went along with it. There was a cheap old building a few years ago that caught fire. The building was in a lot worse condition than the twin towers and it burned a lot longer. And, remember when Bush said he saw the first plane hit the first tower? How is that possible? No one had footage of the first plane hitting the first tower because it wasn't expected. AND firefighters said they heard explosions before the buildings started to collapse. I saw some pictures a while ago where you can see bombs or something in the building.
actualy they do have footage of the first plane. Some one was filming an apartment fire when they saw the plane go over head.
True, but that footage was not available to the dicta....err president when he made the remark about having seen it...
To be brutally honest, im really not sure what to believe! 
I mean think about it, the entire world has been fed so may stories, its purely based on circumstantial evidence!... no proof what so ever!!! 
So i guess everyone has to decide whats true n whats not... for eg. the sniper for JFK, he got shot from the front, but the shooter they caught shot him from an angle behind ???? make any sense? No.
Unless they used a special curved bullet that goes to where the shooter places an X
lol
I mean think about it, the entire world has been fed so may stories, its purely based on circumstantial evidence!... no proof what so ever!!! So i guess everyone has to decide whats true n whats not... for eg. the sniper for JFK, he got shot from the front, but the shooter they caught shot him from an angle behind ???? make any sense? No. Unless they used a special curved bullet that goes to where the shooter places an X
lol
holy crap, well i can see the points, well i like to keep my mind open at this stage until something is proved outright, and btw kennedy was shot by his driver, which is why jfks wife is trying to get out of the car immediatley after the first shot, and also there was a third shooter (grassy knoll?), anyway i don't trust the UK goverment but at the end of the day they got rid of saddam right? if he was left there how many more kurds or iraqis would have died debatin the issue? and on another point i think we should at lest respect those who died at WTC, whatever happened at 9/11 people still died, and i think they need a DECENT explanation of what actually happened. and as for goverments, i kind of don't vote i have a vote but decide not to, because at the end of the day it will still be the same like you said puppets. i just try to survive. 
I just happened to bump into this thread, being referred here by Bizzaro's thread
started today. In that new thread, there is mention of whether or not a Boeing Jet actually hit the Pentagon........ LINK below:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm
I have read all the posts here and have done my best to absorb all the information presented... many of them quite DETAILED and great effort put into the Posts.
Question: IF a Boeing Jet did NOT hit the Pentagon, could someone explain to me what DID happen to that flight, wherein many individuals perished, including one VERY prominent US Journalist???
I am certain I will be considered totally "naive" by these next statements, and being a US Citizen appears to put me in an unfavorable light....
HOWEVER, I can tell you why WTC #7 collapsed. It was weakened by the tremendous collapse of WTC #1 and #2. It was observed for quite a few hours, subsequent to the Twin Towers falling. I know a very special Fireman who was caught under the collapse of #7. NONE, I repeat... NONE of these buildings were NEW.
The fires that burned for months at the WTC, above AND below ground are proof of the massive amount of jet fuel, NOT "pre-set explosions".... That same Fireman spent MONTHS in "VOIDS"...... repeat..... MONTHS.
Just recently, I ran into BIG trouble here on The Forum for my comments regarding Terrorism, I do not intend to repeat THAT error.
A conspiracy with September 11, 2001 involving the US Government? HELL NO!
Nancy <~~ officially OFF her soapbox
started today. In that new thread, there is mention of whether or not a Boeing Jet actually hit the Pentagon........ LINK below:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm
I have read all the posts here and have done my best to absorb all the information presented... many of them quite DETAILED and great effort put into the Posts.
Question: IF a Boeing Jet did NOT hit the Pentagon, could someone explain to me what DID happen to that flight, wherein many individuals perished, including one VERY prominent US Journalist???
I am certain I will be considered totally "naive" by these next statements, and being a US Citizen appears to put me in an unfavorable light.... HOWEVER, I can tell you why WTC #7 collapsed. It was weakened by the tremendous collapse of WTC #1 and #2. It was observed for quite a few hours, subsequent to the Twin Towers falling. I know a very special Fireman who was caught under the collapse of #7. NONE, I repeat... NONE of these buildings were NEW.
The fires that burned for months at the WTC, above AND below ground are proof of the massive amount of jet fuel, NOT "pre-set explosions".... That same Fireman spent MONTHS in "VOIDS"...... repeat..... MONTHS.
Just recently, I ran into BIG trouble here on The Forum for my comments regarding Terrorism, I do not intend to repeat THAT error.
A conspiracy with September 11, 2001 involving the US Government? HELL NO!
Nancy <~~ officially OFF her soapbox
You are absolutely right Nancy. This whole government conspiracy thing is silly, and although it does make for an interesting discussion, there isn't anything to it.
The jet did slam into the pentagon, and WTC#7 collapsed for the reasons you mentioned.
Again, it's an interesting discussion, but certainly no conspiracy
And you can stay on your soap box as long as you want
The jet did slam into the pentagon, and WTC#7 collapsed for the reasons you mentioned.
Again, it's an interesting discussion, but certainly no conspiracy
And you can stay on your soap box as long as you want
Homer.
Thank You...... Tis nice to know someone took the time to read my efforts.
I am still "walking on eggshells" here and tend to be skiddish concerning this subject. Perhaps it is still too emotional for me, although the Second Anniversary
is fast approaching, it will take years to stop the ache, IF ever.
Thank You...... Tis nice to know someone took the time to read my efforts.
I am still "walking on eggshells" here and tend to be skiddish concerning this subject. Perhaps it is still too emotional for me, although the Second Anniversary
is fast approaching, it will take years to stop the ache, IF ever.
7 Hijackers of the 19 blamed for September 11 still alive...
Have a look at this site
What Really Happened
Have a look at this site
What Really Happened
if you have a look at the passenger manifest of all the four flights....There was not a single arab on board any of those flights.
| QUOTE (Lionel @ Aug 14 2003, 08:00 AM) |
| if you have a look at the passenger manifest of all the four flights....There was not a single arab on board any of those flights. |
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Could you please run that by me, one more time???????
Lionel, on reviewing that site, I find no date for reference purposes.
Who is the individual or persons who have posted this site? Without legitimate
credibility, I question the Contents, totally!
NOTE: The site to which your link takes me refers to information DATED September 13, 2001.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...0913-usia18.htm
Has there been NO further investigation, since THEN?????????????????
Show me CURRENT stats, CURRENT data and we'll "talk."
| QUOTE |
| The wars and forceful occupations, the depleted uranium poisoning of the world, the "terrorist attacks", the national threat level, the "debt", the feds, the kidnapping of America by the corporation, the drug wars and the wars on drugs, terminal diseases like cancer and AIDS and the wars to treat their symptoms rather than cure the problem, the mercury contamination in most of the world's oceans, obesity, feminism, neurotoxins such as flouride in toothpaste and tap water, being able to identify the source of manufacturization and genetic manipulation rather than the source of origin of the ingredients in alot of the foods we consume, airport security, the FDA approving Aspartame knowing full well what it does, the technological rape of the planet, the corporate US military using unknowing human beings to test biological and chemical weapons, the misrepresentation of knowledge in the textbooks that our children are subject to in federally funded schools, the Patriot Act, the enslaving of the American people from the day they are born, and the wasting away of what is left of the American Republic will continue so long as both the money continues to spin the world on its own personal axis of evil and the majority of We the People are content with their blue pill prescriptions... |
well, that about sums up every conspiracy known to mankind in one paragraph, doesn't it?
i try to keep an open mind on these things, then i read some psychotic babbling like that and it makes me realize that some people will ALWAYS believe there is a conspiracy and some people will ALWAYS believe there is not a conspiracy. the truth is somewhere inbetween. while im not an anti-Semite in any way, i am leaning towards believing the Israelis played some part in 9/11. whether they knew it would happen and didn't tell us, or whether they were involved somehow, i don't know but there is abundant evidence of some kind of Israeli involvement. this opinion is recently formed as a result of what i witnessed this week with the news of that shoulder fired missile incident. a Jewish jeweler in New York was mentioned as 1 of the 3 people arrested and i saw a guy saying they couldn't believe it because he was a strong supporter of Israel and active in the community.... then, suddenly, he is no longer mentioned by any of the news sources again. all of the attention is on this British Indian guy who is a supposed arms dealer. what about the Jewish guy who ordered the weapon and claimed to work for al queda? i want to know more about him and the other guy. not a single mention of him at all in any of the news since. that is fishy to me. i mean maybe he is just working for the CIA or something but still anytime something is not mentioned on the news it makes me wonder what there is to hide.
now all you anti-USA folks who want to destroy our weapons... i invite you to come and try. my one patriotic rant for the day.
Ever hear about the incident at LaGuardia airport (happened after 9/11) where a woman (an israeli woman or a texan woman, depending on which news source you go to for verification) was caught with a 9" vial of "powder" (called anthrax, talcum powder, or cream of wheat, again depending on which news source you go to for verification) and a gas mask? Yeah...same scenario...it gets mentioned, the govt says "we're looking into it", and *poof*; away goes the story...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/laguardia.html
^^--has various links to various news sites with articles pertaining to the incident...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/laguardia.html
^^--has various links to various news sites with articles pertaining to the incident...
Two lines please.
On the right, all those who support the official government account of 9/11: that without warning, 19 suicide hijackers took control of four commuter flights in the morning, and crashed them into three locations, the fourth failing to reach target as a result of heroic passenger efforts.
On the left, all those who have suspected the story cannot be true, as the national security failings would be so grievous as to point responsibility directly at the government and its management of security agencies, which would lead to the government's removal by a maddened public.
Those on the right, please leave and go and marvel about military aircraft or bigfoots.
Those on the left, the work is not yet done. Bush's admin completely stonewalled the congressional enquiries, but there will still be a more open and far more conclusive commission into the Truth, and the real culprits (not Osama Bin Laden, or 19 fictional hijackers of Saudi, Egyptian or even "Iraqi" origin) will be brought to justice, including the complicit and/or negligent officals and politicians in the administration itself.
Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. It was allowed to after certain key staff shifted offices in the building the week before.
On the right, all those who support the official government account of 9/11: that without warning, 19 suicide hijackers took control of four commuter flights in the morning, and crashed them into three locations, the fourth failing to reach target as a result of heroic passenger efforts.
On the left, all those who have suspected the story cannot be true, as the national security failings would be so grievous as to point responsibility directly at the government and its management of security agencies, which would lead to the government's removal by a maddened public.
Those on the right, please leave and go and marvel about military aircraft or bigfoots.
Those on the left, the work is not yet done. Bush's admin completely stonewalled the congressional enquiries, but there will still be a more open and far more conclusive commission into the Truth, and the real culprits (not Osama Bin Laden, or 19 fictional hijackers of Saudi, Egyptian or even "Iraqi" origin) will be brought to justice, including the complicit and/or negligent officals and politicians in the administration itself.
Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. It was allowed to after certain key staff shifted offices in the building the week before.
Deathlok,
If you claim that people were shifted in the Pentagon a week beforehand, how can you back that up with more than just a hypothetical suggestion?
Give some sort of substantial backing to your claims, please.
If you claim that people were shifted in the Pentagon a week beforehand, how can you back that up with more than just a hypothetical suggestion?
Give some sort of substantial backing to your claims, please.
Outside of Nancy's dose of common sense this thread has been a good example of sick humor.
Funny in a train wreck sort of way I guess. But as all conspiricy theories go I find them amusing and this whole board has been a good laugh....
Funny in a train wreck sort of way I guess. But as all conspiricy theories go I find them amusing and this whole board has been a good laugh....
thepsychoticseaotter......... Thank you for your compliment.
More than likely, this will be considered overreacting, but....... IF only I could chuckle at this, my blood pressure may not be hitting the ceiling.
In addition, the expression on my face is akin to
and
Where do I begin this time?
Let's start with Naraya's comments. The LINK provided gave many incidents of happenings in March 2003. Some of the actual links to the individual articles are broken, so tis difficult to rebut. However, if I were you Naraya? I'd contact the original news source of all of those articles and ask WHY no one followed up. OR? If someone did, why was the outcome not published?
Stop and think of the unknown number of pranksters who simply live for causing havoc. "Fake" powder, "Fake" everything. Reminds me of hackers, in a way. Its as if whomever does this is baiting the government, almost daring them to prove them wrong and a plain nuisance! Can you imagine the millions of "breaches" of security that have happened and have been/are still being investigated? All this does is take those responsible for the security of the USA to waste time, not to mention millions of dollars that could be put to better use!
As for Deathlok? First of all welcome to the Forum. I see you are new. I also note no information on your profile, just as Naraya. This makes it difficult to persue a quality discussion, since it is impossible to tell if you are from the US or just chose to 'bash' the US.
I must admit, Deathlok, to me, several of your comments are no less than insulting:
More than likely, this will be considered overreacting, but....... IF only I could chuckle at this, my blood pressure may not be hitting the ceiling.
In addition, the expression on my face is akin to
and Where do I begin this time?
Let's start with Naraya's comments. The LINK provided gave many incidents of happenings in March 2003. Some of the actual links to the individual articles are broken, so tis difficult to rebut. However, if I were you Naraya? I'd contact the original news source of all of those articles and ask WHY no one followed up. OR? If someone did, why was the outcome not published?
Stop and think of the unknown number of pranksters who simply live for causing havoc. "Fake" powder, "Fake" everything. Reminds me of hackers, in a way. Its as if whomever does this is baiting the government, almost daring them to prove them wrong and a plain nuisance! Can you imagine the millions of "breaches" of security that have happened and have been/are still being investigated? All this does is take those responsible for the security of the USA to waste time, not to mention millions of dollars that could be put to better use!
As for Deathlok? First of all welcome to the Forum. I see you are new. I also note no information on your profile, just as Naraya. This makes it difficult to persue a quality discussion, since it is impossible to tell if you are from the US or just chose to 'bash' the US.
I must admit, Deathlok, to me, several of your comments are no less than insulting:
| QUOTE |
| Those on the right, please leave and go and marvel about military aircraft or bigfoots. |
| QUOTE |
| Those on the left, the work is not yet done. Bush's admin completely stonewalled the congressional enquiries, but there will still be a more open and far more conclusive commission into the Truth, and the real culprits (not Osama Bin Laden, or 19 fictional hijackers of Saudi, Egyptian or even "Iraqi" origin) will be brought to justice, including the complicit and/or negligent officals and politicians in the administration itself. |
IF Congressional Inquirers were "stonewalled" that doesn't say much for their investigative skills, now does it? Are those who pried indepth into the background of September 11, 2001 not intelligent enough to discern 'stonewalling"? Perhaps not.
I read your last quoted paragraph three times to make certain my blondeness wasn't interrferring. I'll be darn, it does say "fictional hijackers" ....... See? There goes my blood pressure once again....... Ekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
I do not voice my personal political beliefs on this Forum and am highly insulted when people are automatically lumped together as "right" or "left" .........
Deathlok? I hope to hell that anyone, elected politicans or not, is found guilty of being complicit or treason will be hung by their gonads, on Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, DC
Nancy you are very welcome. I have come to find most of the evidence is at best circumstancial. If you watched the pbs documentary on why the towers fell; it explains what the 'explosions' etc were.
Why did I use PBS as an example? Well, as most as us here in the good ol' US knows PBS tends to be as left as it gets. So I consider the matter closed.
It sickens me to see the number of people crying 'conspiricy' when we should be rallying behind our leaders to bring the nation together to prevent another 9/11 or a worse attack.
Why did I use PBS as an example? Well, as most as us here in the good ol' US knows PBS tends to be as left as it gets. So I consider the matter closed.
It sickens me to see the number of people crying 'conspiricy' when we should be rallying behind our leaders to bring the nation together to prevent another 9/11 or a worse attack.
| QUOTE (reese2 @ Sep 21 2003, 06:53 PM) |
| Deathlok, If you claim that people were shifted in the Pentagon a week beforehand, how can you back that up with more than just a hypothetical suggestion? Give some sort of substantial backing to your claims, please. |
Sorry,
I thought that would be common knowledge on a government conspiracy forum.
I will go and collect a dozen qualified references to it in due course, to show you, if you are not up to speed on this yourself.
| QUOTE (Outbreak @ Jul 16 2003, 03:46 AM) |
| Well guys, I viewed the site and as a matter of fact, it all made sense. I recently downloaded this video clip call "The Truth and Lies behind 9-11" I highly recommend viewing it since it puts alot of things into prespective. The entire video is fully authentic and has a US$1,000 reward if you can prove that anything he says in the video is false! Once you have seen that, you realize that the US Government has been lying all along. Currently in the news, the Head of the CIA admits to giving unconfirmed reports of Nuclear wepons being in Iraq. There never was any! The war was just a means to be able to get control of the oil fields. Why was bush so worried about protecting the oil fields in the first place? I didnt realize any of this until I took one giant step back and analyzed every single piece of information. A little facts: 20% of facts are absorbed by reading 60% " " seeing and hearing 80% " " seeing, hearing, and doing 9-11 was 80%, we believed everything they said. For example, when an aircraft is hijacked, F-16's deploy 10 minutes later to escort the hijacked aircraft without the need for any Presidential Orders. Presidential orders are only required to shoot the aircraft down. On 9/11, 4 aircrafts were hijacked, but the F-16 were only deployed 75 minutes later! Why is that??? Guys get the video as mentioned above and your entire prespective on todays Politics will change. |
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/multimedia
AfterMath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11
With the ongoing controversy over the federal probe into the September 11 terrorist attacks, GNN decided to pre-empt the government and produce its own version of a 'truth commission'.
911: The Road To Tyranny
911 THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING DOCUMENTARY FILM COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO STANDS TO GAIN.
This is World War III
From Alex's Access Show Oct. 4th 2001
This shows Alex in July 2001 predicting the government would blow up W.T.C.
http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/index_cont...edia_video_alex
November 7, 2001
Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, shown Jan. 9, 1957, was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time the plans were drawn up and presented to the secretary of defense. [He was also part of the Council on foreign Relations(AP Photo)
[HERE IS THE ORIGINAL]
Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1— In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
http://216.10.26.55/CONSPIRACY/Operation_N...ABCNEWS_com.htm
http://web.ask.com/web?q=photo+of+rumsfeld...ddam&o=0&qsrc=0
Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, shown Jan. 9, 1957, was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time the plans were drawn up and presented to the secretary of defense. [He was also part of the Council on foreign Relations(AP Photo)
[HERE IS THE ORIGINAL]
Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1— In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
http://216.10.26.55/CONSPIRACY/Operation_N...ABCNEWS_com.htm
http://web.ask.com/web?q=photo+of+rumsfeld...ddam&o=0&qsrc=0
Hey "evidence". Seriously I see nothing that could not have been post produced or faked at one point or another. Hey I can make documents that have "secret" communications with mj12.
And I can make a video and put a date from 2yrs ago on it. The ponit is I want to see hard evidence that does not sound like a spy thriller or has 20/20 hindsite I want to see actual tape off 20/20 or 60 minutes that prooves this.
But instead we get "George Bush sr. looks at his watch during a debate, and how it is a secret sign to the illuminate to kill some head of international security in preparation of the 9/11 attack top come. Also the Haarp and chemtrails must be aligned etc, etc.."
Yeah my boots only go to my ankles...Hey couls someone pass a shovel ?
And I can make a video and put a date from 2yrs ago on it. The ponit is I want to see hard evidence that does not sound like a spy thriller or has 20/20 hindsite I want to see actual tape off 20/20 or 60 minutes that prooves this.
But instead we get "George Bush sr. looks at his watch during a debate, and how it is a secret sign to the illuminate to kill some head of international security in preparation of the 9/11 attack top come. Also the Haarp and chemtrails must be aligned etc, etc.."
Yeah my boots only go to my ankles...Hey couls someone pass a shovel ?
| QUOTE (thepsychoticseaotter @ Sep 22 2003, 12:17 AM) |
| It sickens me to see the number of people crying 'conspiricy' when we should be rallying behind our leaders to bring the nation together to prevent another 9/11 or a worse attack. |
that is ecaxlty why the government would want to plan an attack like that, so people would be more willing to give up their rights to "prevent" more attacks
| QUOTE (Nancy @ Aug 14 2003, 02:23 PM) | ||
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Could you please run that by me, one more time??????? Lionel, on reviewing that site, I find no date for reference purposes. Who is the individual or persons who have posted this site? Without legitimate credibility, I question the Contents, totally! NOTE: The site to which your link takes me refers to information DATED September 13, 2001. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...0913-usia18.htm Has there been NO further investigation, since THEN????????????????? Show me CURRENT stats, CURRENT data and we'll "talk." |
and what exaclty is a credible source?
| QUOTE (thepsychoticseaotter @ Sep 22 2003, 02:13 AM) |
| Hey "evidence". Seriously I see nothing that could not have been post produced or faked at one point or another. Hey I can make documents that have "secret" communications with mj12. And I can make a video and put a date from 2yrs ago on it. The ponit is I want to see hard evidence that does not sound like a spy thriller or has 20/20 hindsite I want to see actual tape off 20/20 or 60 minutes that prooves this. But instead we get "George Bush sr. looks at his watch during a debate, and how it is a secret sign to the illuminate to kill some head of international security in preparation of the 9/11 attack top come. Also the Haarp and chemtrails must be aligned etc, etc.." Yeah my boots only go to my ankles...Hey couls someone pass a shovel ? |
You can download the Operation Northwoods documentation at the George Washington University's National Archive website. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
or view it here: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/northwds.pdf .
A credible source is one not on the lunitic conspiricy fringe. Mostly the "evidence" come from those who are mad Gore didn't win the election.
Wich makes me wonder would you all be here if he won? The same events happen just a different prez.
Interesting idea.
Wich makes me wonder would you all be here if he won? The same events happen just a different prez.
Interesting idea.
and what exaclty is a credible source?
Lionel,
To answer your question "what exactly is a credible source?" may I add to what
thepsychoticseaotter replied?
I was referring to the LINK you provided and the contents contained therein. In fact, my last post is crystal clear on my objections to the LINK.
No one "fessed up" to who they were, where their information was secured and it is dated 3 days after the attack ........... 3 days!
A credible source is a known organization/individual who does his/her homework!
Someone who can state specifics that can be backed up by the information submitted. Their is no by-line in that information...... nothing to indicate that the information has been updated from over 2 years ago. When that site posted its data, our heads were still spinning from 3 days prior!
I am not saying that the Press is 100% honest or non biased. They want to sell magazines, newspapers and commercial time on their given news stations. However, as seaotter pointed out........ "out there" individuals who hate, slander or in general do all they can to undermine the security and reputation of this country and bash the efforts made by whomever is running it, in my book is the opposite of credible.
Lionel,
To answer your question "what exactly is a credible source?" may I add to what
thepsychoticseaotter replied?
I was referring to the LINK you provided and the contents contained therein. In fact, my last post is crystal clear on my objections to the LINK.
No one "fessed up" to who they were, where their information was secured and it is dated 3 days after the attack ........... 3 days!
A credible source is a known organization/individual who does his/her homework!
Someone who can state specifics that can be backed up by the information submitted. Their is no by-line in that information...... nothing to indicate that the information has been updated from over 2 years ago. When that site posted its data, our heads were still spinning from 3 days prior!
I am not saying that the Press is 100% honest or non biased. They want to sell magazines, newspapers and commercial time on their given news stations. However, as seaotter pointed out........ "out there" individuals who hate, slander or in general do all they can to undermine the security and reputation of this country and bash the efforts made by whomever is running it, in my book is the opposite of credible.
Nancy
Forget my insults, they just attract attention and sort out the men from the boys (and girls). If you read one and are offended by it, develop a thicker skin, they are meaningless, you are just sitting at a computer idling away the hours.
Fictional hijackers, yes. Eight of the 19 "identified" by the post 9/11 investigation are known to be alive. Who knows whether the other 11 were the real mccoy, or just more examples of identity theft? There is no conclusive evidence of who they were at all, and the intelligence services just worked a fictional plot around them.
I don't believe the theory that two of the planes were flown remotely without hijackers. Some people do believe that. That would make the hijackers even more fictional.
If you want to see justice served in full for the attacks, no matter where the trail leads, I support you fully on that. But it doesn't point in many of the directions suggested by the official story of the government.
Anyway, I am noticing some of this stuff covers very old ground - questions about passenger manifests and so on, so I assume that the forum is not as widely read as I had been told.
There are a few people who are just in denial on the whole thing, that can't be helped.
Forget my insults, they just attract attention and sort out the men from the boys (and girls). If you read one and are offended by it, develop a thicker skin, they are meaningless, you are just sitting at a computer idling away the hours.
Fictional hijackers, yes. Eight of the 19 "identified" by the post 9/11 investigation are known to be alive. Who knows whether the other 11 were the real mccoy, or just more examples of identity theft? There is no conclusive evidence of who they were at all, and the intelligence services just worked a fictional plot around them.
I don't believe the theory that two of the planes were flown remotely without hijackers. Some people do believe that. That would make the hijackers even more fictional.
If you want to see justice served in full for the attacks, no matter where the trail leads, I support you fully on that. But it doesn't point in many of the directions suggested by the official story of the government.
Anyway, I am noticing some of this stuff covers very old ground - questions about passenger manifests and so on, so I assume that the forum is not as widely read as I had been told.
There are a few people who are just in denial on the whole thing, that can't be helped.
Well how about go back to where you heard that this board was well read, and stay there..
Show some respect to Nancy, and everyone else you happen to insult while here for your brief stay.
OK, so if you believe that the investigation in narrowing down the wrong hall, what about the Bin Laden tapes that have him admitting it was his group that did this? I mean you do speak his native tongue, right? If you don't then you pretty much have to rely on someone telling you what he is saying. Eekks....
So, how do you decide on which side of the fence to sit? The one that excites you more, and seems more like a fictional book full of lies, murder, and betrayel on the high government levels? Why does everything have to have a twist to it? Can't things just be what they are, as bad as they are already, without making up content for entertainment purposes?
Reese
Show some respect to Nancy, and everyone else you happen to insult while here for your brief stay.
OK, so if you believe that the investigation in narrowing down the wrong hall, what about the Bin Laden tapes that have him admitting it was his group that did this? I mean you do speak his native tongue, right? If you don't then you pretty much have to rely on someone telling you what he is saying. Eekks....
So, how do you decide on which side of the fence to sit? The one that excites you more, and seems more like a fictional book full of lies, murder, and betrayel on the high government levels? Why does everything have to have a twist to it? Can't things just be what they are, as bad as they are already, without making up content for entertainment purposes?
Reese
reese2
You are just another media and fashion victim.
OBL never admitted his group did anything, that's just propaganda. Go and read a transcript of what he said, from the Arabic, rather than taking my word for it.
Oh, most definitely he and his followers celebrated it, but never did OBL claim it.
There is a twist to anything that this government has done, dating back to the times that Bush Sr sold Hussein WMDs, and the purpose for why the USA created Osama Bin Laden in the first place, before he turned on them. I don't point that out for the excitement of it, only for the truth of it, and I wouldn't sit on any shaky fence sold to me by these pups.
Good luck in your own delusions though! Denial obviously serves people like you well, there is no effort involved.
You are just another media and fashion victim.
OBL never admitted his group did anything, that's just propaganda. Go and read a transcript of what he said, from the Arabic, rather than taking my word for it.
Oh, most definitely he and his followers celebrated it, but never did OBL claim it.
There is a twist to anything that this government has done, dating back to the times that Bush Sr sold Hussein WMDs, and the purpose for why the USA created Osama Bin Laden in the first place, before he turned on them. I don't point that out for the excitement of it, only for the truth of it, and I wouldn't sit on any shaky fence sold to me by these pups.
Good luck in your own delusions though! Denial obviously serves people like you well, there is no effort involved.
| QUOTE (DeathlokTheDemolisher @ Sep 22 2003, 08:32 PM) |
| Nancy Forget my insults, they just attract attention and sort out the men from the boys (and girls). If you read one and are offended by it, develop a thicker skin, they are meaningless, you are just sitting at a computer idling away the hours. |
Deathlok..........
I must say that your writing style and demeaning comments turn my stomach.
Your pompous attitude and your assumptions are very insulting, as Reese pointed out.
It seems to me, you should get to "know" to whom you are "speaking" before making general statements, as you have to date.
You do not identify yourself on your Profile, so it makes communicating difficult, not knowing your country of origin, which normally influence one's outlook on life.
I was going to rebut your comments fully, but........ it isn't worth it. I am not afraid of "losing" to your babble. I simply do not tolerate insults, period!
If it is your opinion that those of us who participate here, only discuss "old ground" than I strongly suggest you find yourself a new place to haunt.
Ask anyone here. These comments of mine to you are totally out of character for me.
Keep those walls of yours up as high as they are now. I suspect those of us here will not even try to climb them and behave in an adult manner or show much respect.
One last thing Deathlok, I am a woman, NOT a girl.
SaRuMaN? If you wish to edit this, please do. I am not backing off on my feelings towards this new member. In all honesty? You created this wonderfully magical place for intelligent discussion, not for typing uneducated barbs at one another.
Healthy debate is just that...... Healthy.
Reese? Thank you....... your words are greatly appreciated.
Nancy you go girl ,
I have just finished reading one of Homer's posts , you know I never tire of reading a post that is accomplished using facts ..
I was wondering if anyone had heard how the interrogation of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Osama's second in command is going ...
Just in case you havent heard I thought I might put up a link to Washington post story I read earlier in the day ....HERE
Osama may not have admitted to it but plenty of his associates have put him squarly in the middle of the whole thing ..
I have just finished reading one of Homer's posts , you know I never tire of reading a post that is accomplished using facts ..
I was wondering if anyone had heard how the interrogation of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Osama's second in command is going ...
Just in case you havent heard I thought I might put up a link to Washington post story I read earlier in the day ....HERE
Osama may not have admitted to it but plenty of his associates have put him squarly in the middle of the whole thing ..
Nancy,
No need to thank me, really. You deserve respect, at the very least. You have earned respect while being here, with more than several others'. We are all close, and I don't care much if some 'troll' is insulting me, but to insult people that I respect and admire, I just don't like it. By TROLL, I meanthat as ANYONE that knows they are causing problems, but further continues to do so.
I, too, am not going to respond to him anymore. Eventually he will tire of writing to himself. Unless someone entertains him, which will likely end quickly and perhaps even badly.
Reese
No need to thank me, really. You deserve respect, at the very least. You have earned respect while being here, with more than several others'. We are all close, and I don't care much if some 'troll' is insulting me, but to insult people that I respect and admire, I just don't like it. By TROLL, I meanthat as ANYONE that knows they are causing problems, but further continues to do so.
I, too, am not going to respond to him anymore. Eventually he will tire of writing to himself. Unless someone entertains him, which will likely end quickly and perhaps even badly.
Reese
| QUOTE (Kismit @ Sep 23 2003, 01:28 AM) |
| I was wondering if anyone had heard how the interrogation of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Osama's second in command is going ... Just in case you havent heard I thought I might put up a link to Washington post story I read earlier in the day ....HERE Osama may not have admitted to it but plenty of his associates have put him squarly in the middle of the whole thing .. |
Kismit........ You did it again....
You have no idea how badly I wanted to start a Thread (or add to this one) with KSM's details on the actual plot behind September 11, 2001, as revealed indepth, here in the USA on Monday.
Then, I thought of all the instant insults that would come down the pike, and the comments akin to "gullible" and how the media is feeding us hype. I changed my mind about doing so.
That is when I realized that this Forum has taken a horrid turn. Up until now, I would have been drooling to have this discussed. Now it seems to be an effort in futility. Of course it would be construed as "all lies."
Thanks for the "you go girl" ........ I needed that!
| QUOTE (reese2 @ Sep 23 2003, 04:53 AM) |
| I, too, am not going to respond to him anymore. Eventually he will tire of writing to himself. Unless someone entertains him, which will likely end quickly and perhaps even badly. Reese |
We all deserve respect Reese, as you so kindly pointed out.
Your last sentence sums up my feelings as well.
Thank you again! Maybe returning here a few months ago, will be worth it.
Excellent!
People here are adults not children, and have no time for pomp and ceremony.
I prefer not to know where people live, or what they do, or what pets they have.
I like to deal in just facts. Facts that the public deserve to hear out of 9/11 investigations are deliberately withheld, so any discussion about these issues is going to be full of conjecture, unless someone knows the story.
It is good that when someone questions whether OBL ever took responsibility for the attacks, people are prepared to question an initial assumption.
On the issue of how 9/11 was allowed to happen...
Why were the FBI investigations into the suspected hijackers themselves, and the purpose they had in going to flight schools, called off months before 9/11?
Does anyone really believe that the alleged ringleader Mohammed Atta actually took his passport on his final domestic flight, and the passport survived the WTC impact and landed a couple of blocks away with singed edges? Why?
How did they get onto four separate flights armed with boxcutters and other bizarre things?
How did they actually overpower flight crews with boxcutters?
I'm really happy if people here know the answers in fact. I haven't found the answers anywhere else.
The worst insults you get are from your own government who want you to swallow lie after lie after lie. Nothing I say or do will be anywhere near the same level of insult to your intelligence.
PS Nancy, You said you are not a girl then right away Kismit said "Nancy you go girl". I hope that is not an insult.
People here are adults not children, and have no time for pomp and ceremony.
I prefer not to know where people live, or what they do, or what pets they have.
I like to deal in just facts. Facts that the public deserve to hear out of 9/11 investigations are deliberately withheld, so any discussion about these issues is going to be full of conjecture, unless someone knows the story.
It is good that when someone questions whether OBL ever took responsibility for the attacks, people are prepared to question an initial assumption.
On the issue of how 9/11 was allowed to happen...
Why were the FBI investigations into the suspected hijackers themselves, and the purpose they had in going to flight schools, called off months before 9/11?
Does anyone really believe that the alleged ringleader Mohammed Atta actually took his passport on his final domestic flight, and the passport survived the WTC impact and landed a couple of blocks away with singed edges? Why?
How did they get onto four separate flights armed with boxcutters and other bizarre things?
How did they actually overpower flight crews with boxcutters?
I'm really happy if people here know the answers in fact. I haven't found the answers anywhere else.
The worst insults you get are from your own government who want you to swallow lie after lie after lie. Nothing I say or do will be anywhere near the same level of insult to your intelligence.
PS Nancy, You said you are not a girl then right away Kismit said "Nancy you go girl". I hope that is not an insult.
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