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Blackleaf
The US is a British "financial" colony

An earlier version appeared in May 2004 as "Proof! World Government is a Banker Ruse".)

On Independence Day, it is sobering to remember that the U.S. has been a financial colony of Britain for almost 100 years. This is confirmed by the "Col. E.M. House Report", a chilling 10-page "progress report" dated June 10, 1919, which portrays the United States in exactly these terms.

The author is Col. Edward Mandell House (1858-1938), the Rothschild agent who secretly directed U.S. affairs during the Woodrow Wilson administration. Col. House was known as Wilson's friend and "alter ego." (He had not served in the military and the term "Colonel" was merely honorary.) The report is addressed to British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, whose career was made as a lawyer for the World Zionist Organization.

The report details Col. House's progress in preparing "for the peaceful return of the American colonies to the dominion of the Crown." The League of Nations was a facade for British hegemony, which means the hegemony of London-based international bankers.

House writes: "We have wrapped this plan in the peace treaty so that the world must accept from us the League or a continuance of the war. The League is in substance the Empire with America admitted on the same basis as our other colonies." (Emphasis mine)

The report oozes contempt for Americans. "The plain people of this country are inveterate and incurable hero worshipers," Col. House explains. A man with a slogan that expresses their "undefined aspirations" can manipulate them easily.

Afterwards, they will trust the sloganeer no matter what he does. [Woodrow] Wilson has gained this trust and this accounts for "his exceptional usefulness to us." Rep. Jacob Thorkelson (1876-1945) introduced The House Report to Congress in Oct.1939 and published it in the Congressional Record (Oct. 13 1939, pp.598-604). Attempts to delete it were thwarted. The complete text is available on line. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/house.htm

THE "CROWN"

British bankers took over the U.S. during the Teddy Roosevelt Administration (1901-1909) when Rothschild front J.P. Morgan alone controlled 25% of American business.

"Crown" refers to the owners of the Bank of England. Their identities are an official secret. According to E.C. Knuth, the "international financial oligarchy uses the allegoric 'Crown' as its symbol of power and has its headquarter in the ancient city of London...the giant Bank of England, a privately owned institution... is not subject to regulation by the British parliament and is in effect a sovereign world power." (The Empire of the City, p. 59)

Col. House continues: The "peaceful return of the American colonies" can only be brought about with "the consent of the dominant group of the controlling clans."

Col. House relates how these classes are being taught to accept "British" leadership. He details how the universities and press are staffed by "British-born" or Canadians.

"Through the Red Cross, the Scout movement, the YMCA, the church, and other humane, religious, and quasi-religious organizations, we have created an atmosphere of international effort which strengthens the idea of unity of the English speaking world."

The Overseas Clubs, service clubs, and war charities "enable us to pervade all sections and classes of the country."

We "hold all American newspapers as isolated from the non-American world as if they had been in another planet instead of another hemisphere. The realization of this by the Associated Press and the other universal news gatherers, except Hearst, was most helpful in bringing only our point of view to the papers they served."

He boasts that the United States "while still maintaining an outward show of independence" is identical with other colonies in its relationship to the Crown. "Has not President Wilson canceled the big Navy program and dutifully conceded to us the command of the seas?"

He boasts that "the Anglo American alliance" has become "the unchallenged financiers of the world."

He congratulates "our fiscal agents Messrs Pierpont Morgan & Company" for "putting this country into the war." They exert "widespread influence on newspaper policy" through advertising and lent $200,000,000 to Japan to build a fleet to compete with America (making the U.S still more dependent on England.)

Col. House boasts that the "Crown" used money lent by the U.S. government for war purposes to buy up oil fields in California, Mexico and Latin America.

"The war has made us custodians of the greater part of the world's raw materials... [We] now largely control the oil fields of the world and thereby the world's transportation and industry."

THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS RUSE

The pressing issue now is to "transfer its dangerous sovereignty from this colony to the custody of the Crown. We must, in short, now bring America within the Empire."

The first step was Wilson's plan for the League of Nations "which we prepared for him."

"Any abrupt change might startle the ignorant American masses and rouse them to action against it. And us. Our best policy therefore would be to appoint President Wilson the first president of the League... he will be able to satisfy [Americans] that far from surrendering their independence to the League, they are actually extending their sovereignty by it..."

Foreshadowing The Patriot Act, Col. House says Woodrow Wilson "alone can father an anti-Bolshevik act which judicially interpreted will enable appropriate punitive measures to be applied to any American who may be unwise enough to assert that America must once again declare her independence."

Col. House goes into great detail about how Wilson must be messaged and manipulated. Many people think someone else wrote this Report but only Edward Mandell House knew Wilson this well.

For example he says Wilson "is easily slighted and remarkably vindictive." The new British ambassador should be a "Wilson worshipper" and "a gentleman-in-waiting to the President." He lists the gifts Wilson already has been given.

"OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM OF THOUGHT CONTROL" IS AT WORK

Col. House suggests staging the first session of the League of Nations in Washington.

"This will convince these simple people that they are the League and its power resides in them."

He recommends a "series of spectacles by which the mob may be diverted from any attempt to think too much of matters beyond their province."

"While awaiting these diversions for the vulgar, we are incessantly instructing them in the wonders of the league. Its praises are thundered by our press, decreed by our college presidents, and professed by our professors. Our authors, writers and lecturers are analyzing its selected virtues... we have enlisted 8000 propagandists for the League. We have organized international and national synods, committees, conferences, convocations, conventions, councils...to herald the birth of the League as the dawn of universal peace."

"Agriculturalists, bankers, brokers, accountants, chemists, and all other functional groups capable of exerting organized professional, business, financial or social pressure are meeting to endorse the League in the name of peace, progress and prosperity...Our film concerns are preparing an epoch-making picture..."

"In short, our entire system of thought control is working ceaselessly, tirelessly, ruthlessly, to ensure the adoption of the League. And it will be adopted, for business wants peace, the righteous cannot resist a covenant, and the politicians, after shadow boxing for patronage purposes, will yield valiantly lest the fate of the wanton and willful pursue them."

CONCLUSIONS

The House Report unveils the reality behind globalization and the United Nations. If ever we needed proof of a long-term conspiracy to subvert national sovereignty and ensnare humanity, this is it.

Thanks to the valiant opposition of Republican Senators, the United States rejected the Peace Treaty and with it the League of Nations Nov. 19,1919. The plot was temporarily foiled.

But the British bankers' covert campaign to impose world tyranny has not abated. They financed Hitler and engineered the Depression and World War Two. The League of Nations was resurrected as the United Nations in 1945 and the "Cold War" hoax initiated.

Now we have the 9-ll and "War on Terror" hoax. Many believe we are in the prepatory stages of "World War Three." Society continues to be propagandized with the virtues of the UN and "Free Trade." National institutions are subverted. The press and education continue to be controlled. Politicians are figureheads.

Americans are helping to build the 'new world order' for its master, "the Crown." In Col. House's words, Americans will be colonists who have to "petition at the foot of the throne."

The references to control of oilfields suggest that oil is first and foremost an instrument of world domination. The final stage of world tyranny involves gaining complete control of Middle Eastern oil.

This explains Iraq and portends an invasion of Iran.

The New World Order, world government and globalization are all extensions of British imperialism which itself is the expression of the financial hegemony of central bankers and their minions.

The threat cannot be characterized as strictly "Jewish." The Rothschilds have received a degree of collaboration from the world's financial, cultural and political elites so as to render this point mute. Lemming-like, Western elites have embraced a death-wish for civilization.

Related, my "The Jewish Conspiracy is British Imperialism." http://www.savethemales.ca/000447.html
Michelle
w00t.gif I NEW IT!!!!!!!

The US isn't behind everything, it's the British.... rofl.gif

Sorry, I couldn't resist.... blush.gif

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Blackleaf
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Conspiracy theorists like myself believe modern history reflects a long-term conspiracy by an international financial elite to enslave humanity.

Like blind men examining an elephant, we attribute this conspiracy to Jews, Illuminati, Vatican, Jesuits, Freemasons, Black Nobility, and Bildersbergs etc.

The real villains are at the heart of our economic and cultural life. They are the dynastic families who own the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve and associated cartels. They also control the World Bank and IMF and most of the world's Intelligence agencies. Their identity is secret but Rothschild is certainly one of them. The Bank of England was "nationalized" in 1946 but the power to create money remained in the same hands.

England is in fact a financial oligarchy run by the "Crown" which refers to the "City of London" not the Queen. The City of London is run by the Bank of England, a private corporation. The square-mile-large City is a sovereign state located in the heart of greater London. As the "Vatican of the financial world," the City is not subject to British law.

On the contrary, the bankers dictate to the British Parliament. In 1886, Andrew Carnegie wrote that, "six or seven men can plunge the nation into war without consulting Parliament at all." Vincent Vickers, a director of the Bank of England from 1910-1919 blamed the City for the wars of the world. ("Economic Tribulation" (1940) cited in Knuth, The Empire of the City, 1943, p 60)

The British Empire was an extension of bankers' financial interests. Indeed, all the non-white colonies (India, Hong Kong, Gibraltar) were "Crown Colonies." They belonged to the City and were not subject to British law although Englishmen were expected to conquer and pay for them.

The Bank of England assumed control of the U.S. during the T.R. Roosevelt administration (1901-1909) when its agent J.P. Morgan took over 25% of American business. (Anton Chaitkin, Treason in America, 1964)

According to the "American Almanac," the bankers are part of a network called the "Club of the Isles" which is an informal association of predominantly European-based royal households including the Queen. The Club of the Isles commands an estimated $10 trillion in assets. It lords over such corporate giants as Royal Dutch Shell, Imperial Chemical Industries, Lloyds of London, Unilever, Lonrho, Rio Tinto Zinc, and Anglo American DeBeers. It dominates the world supply of petroleum, gold, diamonds, and many other vital raw materials; and deploys these assets at the disposal of its geopolitical agenda.


Its goal: to reduce the human population from its current level of over 5 billion people to below 1 billion people within the next two to three generations; to literally ``cull the human herd'' in the interest of retaining their own global power and the feudal system upon which that power is based.

Historian Jeffrey Steinberg could be referring to the US, Canada and Australia when he writes, "England, Scotland, Wales, and, especially, Northern Ireland, are today little more than slave plantations and social engineering laboratories, serving the needs of ...the City of London...

These families constitute a financier oligarchy; they are the power behind the Windsor throne. They view themselves as the heirs to the Venetian oligarchy, which infiltrated and subverted England from the period 1509-1715, and established a new, more virulent, Anglo-Dutch-Swiss strain of the oligarchic system of imperial Babylon, Persia, Rome, and Byzantium....

The City of London dominates the world's speculative markets. A tightly interlocking group of corporations, involved in raw materials extraction, finance, insurance, transportation, and food production, controls the lion's share of the world market, and exerts virtual ``choke point'' control over world industry."

Steinberg belongs to a group of historians associated with economist Lyndon Larouche. They have traced this scourge to the migration of the Venetian mercantile oligarchy to England more than 300 years ago.

Although the Larouche historians do not say so, it appears that many members of this oligarchy were Jews. Cecil Roth writes: "The trade of Venice was overwhelmingly concentrated in the hands of the Jews, the wealthiest of the mercantile class." (The History of the Jews in Venice, 1930)

The Jewish banking families made it a practice to marry their female offspring to spendthrift European aristocrats. In Jewish law, the mixed offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish. (The male heirs always marry Jews.) For example, in 1878 Hannah Rothschild married Lord Rosebery. who later became Prime Minister. In 1922 Louis Mountbatten, the uncle of Prince Philip and cousin of the Queen married the granddaughter of Jewish banker Ernest Cassel, one of the wealthiest men in the world. Winston Churchill's mother, Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome, was Jewish. By the beginning of the 1900s, there were very few English aristocrat families left that hadn't intermarried with Jews. It was said that, when they visited the Continent, Europeans were surprised to see Jewish looking persons with English titles and accents.

According to L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke's Peerage , Jews "have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual. So closely linked are the Jews and the lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also." (Tales of the British Aristocracy1957, p.219.)

If they aren't Jewish by intermarriage, many European aristocrats consider themselves descendents of Biblical Hebrews. The Hapsburgs are related by marriage to the Merovingians who claim to be descendents of the Tribe of Benjamin.

In addition, many aristocrats belong to the "British Israel" Movement that believes the British soveriegn is the head of the Anglo Saxon "Lost Tribes" of Israel and that the Apocalyse will see the full reconstitution of the British Empire.

According to Barbara Aho, Rosicrucians and Freemasons, who believe in British Israelism, have a plan to place one of their bloodline on the throne of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. This positioning of a false messiah whom the world will worship as Christ has been carefully planned and executed over many centuries.

According to Barry Chamish, "there would be no modern state of Israel without British Freemasonry. In the 1860s, the British-Israelite movement was initiated from within Freemasonry. Its goal was to establish a Jewish-Masonic state in the Turkish province of Palestine...Initially, British Jewish Masonic families like the Rothschilds and Montefiores provided the capital to build the infrastructure for the anticipated wave of immigration. However, luring the Jews to Israel was proving difficult. They, simply, liked European life too much to abandon it. So Europe was to be turned into a nightmare for the Jews."

CONCLUSION

I wasted much of my life getting a conventional education, so I feel I am beginning my education anew.

It appears that a vampire-like clique directs the world. This secretive cabal is represented by our dominant political, economic and cultural institutions. Western society has been subverted and western culture is bankrupt. Democracy is a form of social control and the mass media/ education are systems for indoctrination.

Essentially the problem boils down to whether we believe man was made in God's image and has an obligation to lift himself to a higher level of truth, beauty and justice. Naturally monopolists have no use for this and want to define reality to suit their own interests. They have taught us that God is dead and man is just a fancy animal without a divine soul. Culture today tends to deny standards, ideals and goals of any kind. Instead, we are fed an endless diet of trivia and degradation.

Certain elite Jews are an integral part of this elite neo feudal conspiracy. Throughout history they have had a symbiotic relationship with the aristocracy. But ordinary Jews like the serfs were manipulated and persecuted by their elites.

True Judaism like Islam and Christianity affirms the supremacy of God as a moral force. A real Jew, like a true Christian or Muslim cannot perform an immoral act. It's time to reaffirm our belief in God.

Blackleaf
Also, not many people know this, but the Queen controls and amends the US Social Security laws.
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America's Social Security. Controlled by America's master- Britain.

The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997

Well folks, I don't have to look any further for proof positive, concerning our subjection to England and what ever monarch is sitting. Of course I will continue looking, but will you believe the following document obtained from the Queen's own web site. I was told about the possible existence of this by the Informer, he was told by someone else. Yep, it's there in black and white, read "Schedule 1, Article 14, sections 15, 16 and 17. There are other revealing parts, but in the above sections the United States is declared to be a territory of Great Britain and that we are subject to the Queen. As always I do not take things out of context, but read the whole thing so you will have no doubt.

James





Statutory Instrument 1997 No. 1778

The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997

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Crown Copyright 1997

All Crown Copyrights are reserved. The following are concessions. Individuals are authorised to download this text to file or printer for their own individual use. Reproduction of the text for the purpose of developing and publishing value-added products is also allowed, without prior permission or charge, provided reproduction is accurate, not malicious and is accompanied by an acknowledgment of Crown copyright.

Any other proposed reproduction requires the consent of the Copyright Unit at Her Majesty's Stationery Office. For more details on the reproduction of Crown and Parliamentary copyright material, see the latest Her Majesty's Stationery Office Dear Publisher letter.

The text of this Internet version of the Statutory Instrument has been prepared to reflect the text as it was Made. The authoritative version is in printed form and is published by The Stationery Office Limited as the The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997, ISBN 0 11 0646983, ú2.40 sterling. For details of how to obtain a printed copy see How to obtain The Stationery Office Limited titles.

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STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS
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1997 No. 1778

SOCIAL SECURITY

The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997

Made 22nd July 1997

Coming into 1st September force 1997

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 22nd day of July 1997

Present,

The Queen's Most Excellent Majesty in Council

Whereas at London on the 13th February 1984 an Agreement on social security between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the United States of America (hereinafter referred to as "the Agreement") and an Administrative Agreement for the implementation of the Agreement (hereinafter referred to as "the Administrative Agreement")[1] were signed on behalf of those Governments and effect was given to the Agreement by the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1984 (hereinafter referred to as "the Principal Order")[2]:

And Whereas at London on 6th June 1996 a Supplementary Agreement between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the United States of America (which Supplementary Agreement is set out in Schedule 1 to this Order and is hereinafter referred to as "the Supplementary Agreement") amending the Agreement and a Supplementary Administrative Agreement amending the Administrative Agreement (which Supplementary Administrative Agreement is set out in Schedule 2 to this Order and is hereinafter referred to as "the Supplementary Administrative Agreement")[3] were signed on behalf of those Governments:

And Whereas by Article 3 of the Supplementary Agreement it is provided that the Supplementary Agreement shall enter into force on the first day of the third month following the month in which each Government has received from the other Government written notification that all statutory and constitutional requirements have been complied with for entry into force of the Supplementary Agreement:

And Whereas by Article 2 of the Supplementary Administrative Agreement it is provided that the Supplementary Administrative Agreement shall enter into force on the date of entry into force of the Supplementary Agreement:

And Whereas written notification in accordance with Article 3 of the Supplementary Agreement was received by each Government on 20th June 1997 and accordingly the Supplementary Agreement and the Supplementary Administrative Agreement enter into force on the 1st September 1997:

And Whereas by section 179(1)(a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act 1992[4] it is provided that Her Majesty may by Order in Council make provision for modifying or adapting that Act and the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992[5] in their application to cases affected by agreements with other Governments providing for reciprocity in matters specified in the said section:

Now, therefore, Her Majesty, in pursuance of section 179(1)(a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act 1992 and of all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered, as follows: -

Citation and commencement
1. This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997.

Modification of the Social Security Administration Act 1992 and the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992 and amendment of the Principal Order

2. The Social Security Administration Act 1992 and the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992 shall be modified and the Principal Order shall be amended so as to give effect to the Agreement as modified by the Supplementary Agreement set out in Schedule 1 to this Order and to the Administrative Agreement as modified by the Supplementary Administrative Agreement set out in Schedule 2 to this Order, so far as the same relate to England, Wales and Scotland.

Amendment of Order
3. The reference to the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1984 shall be omitted in the Schedule to the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1988[6] and in Schedules 2 and 3 to the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1995[7].

N.H. Nicholls
Clerk of the Privy Council

SCHEDULE 1
Article 2

SUPPLEMENTARY AGREEMENT AMENDING THE AGREEMENT ON SOCIAL SECURITY BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

The Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the United States of America;

Having considered the Agreement on Social Security which was signed on their behalf at London on 13th February 1984 (hereinafter referred to as "the Agreement");

Having recognised the need to revise certain provisions of the Agreement;

Have agreed as follows:

Article 1
1. Article 1 of the Agreement shall be revised as follows:

(a) Paragraph 1 shall be revised to read as follows:

" 1. "Territory" means,

as regards the United States, the States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and as regards the United Kingdom, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and also the Isle of Man, the Island of Jersey, and the Islands of Guernsey, Alderney, Herm and Jethou; and references to the "United Kingdom" or to "territory" in relation to the United Kingdom shall include the Isle of Man, the Island of Jersey, and the Islands of Guernsey, Alderney, Herm and Jethou where appropriate;".
isis-999
And you believe this...ok sure if you say so! hmm.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
nick_fury
It's true, we also run South America, Eastern Europe and the Canaries we tried to take over Luxemburg but their special forces obliterated 50 whole platoons.

Here is some of the top secret footage, don't tell anyone you saw it or Britannia herself will drive her spear through your still beating heart

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Mr Ed
That looks like the USA versus the GLA to me...tongue.gif

To anyone who actually believes that article:

I can give you immortality. Send 200 000 pounds to my house.

(Note- I figure if they are gullible enough to believe that story then they are going to want my offered brand of immortality)
isis-999
Ed, there is a fool born everyday! If you don't believe me just read the first two post! w00t.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif innocent.gif
Michelle
huh.gif Excuse me???
Faeden
Sorry if this has been covered, I cant remember the exact figures, but its no secret that most of the past and the current presidents of the US have had direct gene links to the British royal family, its something like 80 % of them, this is not a conspiracy either its been proven (I am unsure how they proved it).

I saw some conspiracy show a few years back, and they did a computer analysis of George W Bush’s face and Prince Charles’s face the same they used in criminal investigations, and the two where matched so closely that it was very possible they came from the same family bloodline, maybe only going back 3 maybe 2 hundred years back, and if most random people around the world where put on the computer and this was done it was a 1 out of 10 thousand possibility that they would have matched as well as the Bush and prince Charles match.

Bloodlines associated with people in high places and the royal families of the world have a odd way of connecting when it comes to many of our world leaders, I am not saying I believe all this, but if you do some homework there sure are some strange coincidences.

All the best
Faeden
Erikl
Blackleaf this is pure anti-Semitic propaganda!
You should be banned from this site for spreading the same poison as the Nazis used to spread on the Jews. angry.gif
turbonium
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jul 30 2005, 09:17 AM)
Blackleaf this is pure anti-Semitic propaganda!
You should be banned from this site for spreading the same poison as the Nazis used to spread on the Jews. angry.gif
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Prove it - he's sourced his argument with the articles. It needs to be proven wrong or you're just flaming again. And even if the articles are wrong, you need to prove he's being purposely anti-semitic, or you are the one who should take a hike for inciting hatred through your unfounded accusations
Birmingham
Did anyone read the whole agreement. All it is is an agreement spelling out which government pays Social Security disability payments to their citizens living in the other country. It's to prevent United Kingdom citizens living in the USA and United States citizens in the UK from "double-dipping" if they become disabled in the other country. So that they can not claim payments from both counties.
If you read carefully, it lists which elements makes up the UK and which elements make up the USA. In no place does it combine the two. By the way, did anyone read the whole agreement and not just the preamble.
Just another example of making concrete out of thin air.
Mr Ed
QUOTE(Faeden @ Jul 30 2005, 03:59 PM)
Sorry if this has been covered, I cant remember the exact figures, but its no secret that most of the past and the current presidents of the US have had direct gene links to the British royal family, its something like 80 % of them, this is not a conspiracy either its been proven (I am unsure how they proved it).

I saw some conspiracy show a few years back, and they did a computer analysis of George W Bush’s face and Prince Charles’s face the same they used in criminal investigations, and the two where matched so closely that it was very possible they came from the same family bloodline, maybe only going back 3 maybe 2 hundred years back, and if most random people around the world where put on the computer and this was done it was a 1 out of 10 thousand possibility that they would have matched as well as the Bush and prince Charles match. 

Bloodlines associated with people in high places and the royal families of the world have a odd way of connecting when it comes to many of our world leaders, I am not saying I believe all this, but if you do some homework there sure are some strange coincidences.

All the best
Faeden
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Right!
Thanks for that snippet of information.

Note: Anyone who believes those precious few paragraphs needs a reality check and a slap.
Erikl
QUOTE(turbonium @ Jul 30 2005, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jul 30 2005, 09:17 AM)
Blackleaf this is pure anti-Semitic propaganda!
You should be banned from this site for spreading the same poison as the Nazis used to spread on the Jews. angry.gif
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Prove it - he's sourced his argument with the articles. It needs to be proven wrong or you're just flaming again. And even if the articles are wrong, you need to prove he's being purposely anti-semitic, or you are the one who should take a hike for inciting hatred through your unfounded accusations
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Flaming?!
He basically claims the Jews were and still are running the world.
It doesn't take an expert to refute most if not all of his claims.
He claims Churchill was a jew (because his mother was jewish).
These are all very well known anti-Semitic claims, starring in notorious works such as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "Mein Kampf".
You have to be anti-Semitic yourself to think there is truth in those claims.

In youre case, I'm not surprised as well rolleyes.gif .
Ourmoonlitsun
Okay, let me just state that I don't believe that the U.S. is still a British colony. With that said, Faeden's post made me remember hearing something about Bush and Kerry being related, so I looked into it. This what I found...

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This was interesting...

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Then we go...

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Finally...

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Make of it what you will. I just wish to show the strangeness of the web of life grin2.gif

...maybe
Mr Ed
Bull.
NJC
WHAT!!!! usa all the way
Ourmoonlitsun
Here's the link for my post above. It is stated that the tree is only as accurate as the information available. Still interesting, nonetheless, in my opinion.
http://landing.msn.ancestry.com/famoustree...ourceCode=13673
turbonium
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jul 30 2005, 12:08 PM)
Flaming?!
He basically claims the Jews were and still are running the world.
It doesn't take an expert to refute most if not all of his claims.
He claims Churchill was a jew (because his mother was jewish).
These are all very well known anti-Semitic claims, starring in notorious works such as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "Mein Kampf".
You have to be anti-Semitic yourself to think there is truth in those claims.

In youre case, I'm not surprised as well  rolleyes.gif .
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He makes such a claim where? He claims Churchill was a jew where?
You claim anyone that mentions a jewish (khazar) name means they are anti-semitic. I've already shown you were making false claims about sephardic and ashkenazi jews being one and the same. You are again trying to play on people's ignorance of the differences to promote your rhetoric about racism. Give it a break, you aren't going to get away with it. Khazars aren't semitic people and you know it, but you pretend you don't so you can cry about "anti-semitism".
NJC
prince charles is an descendent of count dracula thats weird
isis-999
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 30 2005, 03:47 PM)
Bull.
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That's one way of saying it! thumbsup.gif
Walken
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And you believe this...ok sure if you say so! hmm.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Actually it is indisputable - There have been numerous threads on the subject.

In the decleration of independance, and various other relavent documents, it is always said that the USA remains a British Colony - Indisputable.

This one does not clarify it to the extent of the others, sadly, but all relavent documents do state that the USA is a British colony.

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So, I found something a little more helpful.

The USA is still A British Colony

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I know you have been taught that we won the Revolutionary War and defeated the British, but I can prove to the contrary. I want you to read this paper with an open mind, and allow yourself to be instructed with the following verifiable facts.


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...All the Treaty did was remove the United States as a liability and obligation of the king. He no longer had to ship material and money to support his subjects and colonies. At the same time he retained financial subjection through debt owed after the Treaty, which is still being created today; millions of dollars a day. And his heirs and successors are still reaping the benefit of the kings original venture.
Beleiver29
thats plain bullshit, the u.s gained its freedom fair and square now if these britains want to go back and look at the fine print and say they own the u.s? Where were they during the civil war? Just an example of britains taking credit for somthing they diidnt work for. tsk tsk tsk
riotboy555
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WHAT!!!!  usa all the way
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Yeah. If anything the rest of the world is a US colony. gunsmilie.gif
Erikl
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He makes such a claim where? He claims Churchill was a jew where?

He claimed Churchill's mom was a jew - hence Churchill himself was a jew.

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ou claim anyone that mentions a jewish (khazar) name means they are anti-semitic.

I claim no such thing. But when people claim that Jews are around all evil, that there is a jew around every conspiracy on this earth, and that jews conspire to rule the world - then, I'm afraid, it's all anti-Semitism.

You however continue to use "khazar" to refer to most world jewry, which is baseless.
There is no proof that most or even some Jews are descendants of the Khazars.
On the other hand there are more than few facts to disprove it.
I myself tend to believe that some Jews probably have Khazar blood in them, but in no way do they make the majority of world jewry.
You, on the other hand, use the term khazar to somehow hint that most jews in Israel have no ties to the ancient judeans, hence they have no right to the land.
This has been used by many anti-Zionists and anti-Semites, who are ignorant in the demographic facts of Israel - the majority of Israeli Jews are not Ashkenazi, but Sephardic.

The person who plays on ignorance is you and your like - this has been true since ancient times. Anti-Semtism stems and gets it's powers from ignorance.
turbonium
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He makes such a claim where? He claims Churchill was a jew where?

He claimed Churchill's mom was a jew - hence Churchill himself was a jew.

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ou claim anyone that mentions a jewish (khazar) name means they are anti-semitic.

I claim no such thing. But when people claim that Jews are around all evil, that there is a jew around every conspiracy on this earth, and that jews conspire to rule the world - then, I'm afraid, it's all anti-Semitism.

You however continue to use "khazar" to refer to most world jewry, which is baseless.
There is no proof that most or even some Jews are descendants of the Khazars.
On the other hand there are more than few facts to disprove it.
I myself tend to believe that some Jews probably have Khazar blood in them, but in no way do they make the majority of world jewry.
You, on the other hand, use the term khazar to somehow hint that most jews in Israel have no ties to the ancient judeans, hence they have no right to the land.
This has been used by many anti-Zionists and anti-Semites, who are ignorant in the demographic facts of Israel - the majority of Israeli Jews are not Ashkenazi, but Sephardic.

The person who plays on ignorance is you and your like - this has been true since ancient times. Anti-Semtism stems and gets it's powers from ignorance.
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Where to start with all of this nonsense. Well, as for your saying "in no way they make the majority of world jewry", I'll post this from a link you have used yourself Ashkenazi Majority
"..today Ashkenazi Jews account for approximately 80% of world Jews"
And further from the link..
Ashkenazi Jews..are Jews descended from the Jewish communities of Germany, Poland, Austria, and Eastern Europe mostly established between the 10th and 19th centuries
Khazars are not semitic, and yet you continue to falsely accuse this member and others of "anti-semitism". It is you who are trying to play on the ignorance of people unaware of the true origins of Jewish lineage.

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

Encyclopedia Americana (1985): "Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands...it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel...In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population."

The American People's Encyclopedia for 1954 at 15-292 records the following in reference to the Khazars: "In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. It is from this grouping that most German, Polish and Hungarian Jews are descended, and they likewise make up a considerable part of that population now found in America."


Jenny Jacobson
The above lnk is to Churchill's ancestry. And there is clearly evidence his mother was jewish. And it's not being "anti-semitic" to reference it.

‘Cunning, no doubt, came to Churchill in the Jewish genes transmitted by his mother Lady Randolph Churchill, née Jenny Jacobson/Jerome.’ Moshe Kohn, Jerusalem Post

The Arabs are semitic peoples, so it is much more accurate to accuse one of anti-semitism if they are against Arabs.

Your bogus claims of "anti-semitism" will not pass by me without being called on - you won't get away with it.
Erikl
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Where to start with all of this nonsense. Well, as for your saying "in no way they make the majority of world jewry", I'll post this from a link you have used yourself Ashkenazi Majority
"..today Ashkenazi Jews account for approximately 80% of world Jews"
And further from the link..


This is true, but how them being the majority of world jewry imply that they aren't Semites or descendants of the ancient Judeans?

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Ashkenazi Jews..are Jews descended from the Jewish communities of Germany, Poland, Austria, and Eastern Europe mostly established between the 10th and 19th centuries

Again - this is all known facts - but how does it imply that they have no connections to the ancient judeans which were semitics?
After the 9th century there was a break-up in world Jewry when the center of Jewish scholarship fell under Islamic hands and the European Jews remained in the Christian world. They started forming their own traditions and immigrated from southern france and northern italy into the Rhineland, where they adopted local Germanic dialects as their everyday language. Later on in the 13th they have been expelled from France and Germany to Poland, where they adopted some Slavic words into this language. Today this language is known as Yiddish or Judeo-German.


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Khazars are not semitic, and yet you continue to falsely accuse this member and others of "anti-semitism". It is you who are trying to play on the ignorance of people unaware of the true origins of Jewish lineage.

They weren't Semites - they were central asian people who spoke turkish language and looked somewhat like the Kazakhs and Mongols. Have you looked at modern Ashkenazic Jews? They don't look asian, and there are no remanants of turkish language in Yiddish.
And again - you just assume they are khazars - with no facts. In this post of yours you again start reffering to them as Khazars without basing it on anything.

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The Jewish Encyclopedia: "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

The Jewish Encyclopedia is an archaic peice of lterature tongue.gif. It has been written in 1911. Indeed back in those days many people thought the majority of Jews are descendants of the Khazars. They also thought Jews had long noses, cannot be trusted, and constitue a different race.
Go figure.


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Encyclopedia Americana (1985): "Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands...it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel...In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population."

Again, this is true - but how does it imply that they are not descendants of the ancient Judeans?

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The above lnk is to Churchill's ancestry. And there is clearly evidence his mother was jewish. And it's not being "anti-semitic" to reference it.

Why? because her last name was "Jacobson"?
I know many Jews with the last name of "Wagner", yet I don't think Hitler's favorite composer was Jewish tongue.gif.

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‘Cunning, no doubt, came to Churchill in the Jewish genes transmitted by his mother Lady Randolph Churchill, née Jenny Jacobson/Jerome.’ Moshe Kohn, Jerusalem Post

I couldn't find any basis for this quote.
The only other site I've seen this was a site that claimed that the Roosevelts were descendants of Dutch Jews tongue.gif. Again, Jews are behind everything ph34r.gif.

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The Arabs are semitic peoples, so it is much more accurate to accuse one of anti-semitism if they are against Arabs.

LOL! this is a classical anti-Semitic claim!
Anti-Semitism doesn't mean anti-semitic-people. It means being anti-Jewish.
The person who coined that term was a German in the late 19th century who tried to give his anti-Jewishness a more scientific sounding name.

Even Hitler, the biggest anti-Semite of our time, had no problem recruiting Arabs, Maltese and even Ethioians into the Waffen SS - all of which are Semites.

Claiming anti-Semitism is being anti-semitic-people is bogus and an attempt to twist the true meaning of the term and it's historical consequences.

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Your bogus claims of "anti-semitism" will not pass by me without being called on - you won't get away with it.

I couldn't care less if it will pass by you or not - the fact is that you are one, and unless you are going to change it, it ain't gonna change.
turbonium
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And again - you just assume they are khazars - with no facts. In this post of yours you again start reffering to them as Khazars without basing it on anything.


Ashkenazi Khazars
Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, who was a son of Noah. Ashkenaz was also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars according to King Joseph (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Yisraelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are an Ashkenazi Khazar people group, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.


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Anti-Semitism doesn't mean anti-semitic-people. It means being anti-Jewish.
Claiming anti-Semitism is being anti-semitic-people is bogus and an attempt to twist the true meaning of the term and it's historical consequences.


So if you hate Arabs you are not anti-Semitic? And why would that be? They are true Semites. Interesting that it only applies to non-Semitic jews! More than just a little trying to reinforce a lie by exclusively connecting Ashkenazis (non-Semites) to Semites!

Lies will not escape here, try as you might.
Erikl
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Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, who was a son of Noah. Ashkenaz was also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars according to King Joseph (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Yisraelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are an Ashkenazi Khazar people group, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

I've checked this site - and it's extremely biased against Jews.
Not the best source to base your claims on.
This is interesting - it seems you always use outdated and anti-Jewish websites to prove your point. That says alot about their accuracy.

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So if you hate Arabs you are not anti-Semitic? And why would that be? They are true Semites.

No, you are anti-Arab.
If you like you can call anti-Semitism anti-Jewishiness. That won't change the fact that the term, which was coined by Jew haters, means hatred of Jews and Judaism.

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Lies will not escape here, try as you might.

The only one here who is lying and keeps on basing his claims on practically nothing but demagogue and few biased websites is you tongue.gif.
turbonium
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I've checked this site - and it's extremely biased against Jews.

That's an opinion - not a refutation of the argument. And you know what they say about opinions... tongue.gif


So if you hate Arabs you are not anti-Semitic? And why would that be? They are true Semites.
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No, you are anti-Arab.
If you like you can call anti-Semitism anti-Jewishiness. That won't change the fact that the term, which was coined by Jew haters, means hatred of Jews and Judaism.

So if a Jew hater coined the term, why is it always used by Ashkenazi jews who are not semitic? And, if a racist coins a term, wouldn't it be his fellow racists who would constantly use the term, not the race to which it is directed? More than that, it is also inaccurate to apply it only to jews, not Arabs and other semites. So, why do Ashkenazi jews constantly overuse and misuse the inaccurate term coined by a racist?

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The only one here who is lying and keeps on basing his claims on practically nothing but demagogue and few biased websites is you


OK - you are not only using the word demagogue as a verb not as a noun, it is also incorrect to accuse me of such. You meant to say demagoguing(transitive verb), but that is simply nonsense even if you had used the proper form of the word.

"Demagogue: a person, especially a political leader, who wins support by exciting people's emotions rather than by having good ideas

A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace."




Erikl
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That's an opinion - not a refutation of the argument. And you know what they say about opinions...


Not an opinion, a fact.
Go to the main page of that website, and it's pretty clear what are the agendas of that site.
It's like saying that stating the Nazis hated Jews is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, more demagogue.

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So if you hate Arabs you are not anti-Semitic? And why would that be? They are true Semites.

It's because historically that term wasn't reffering to the hatred of Semites as a whole, it was reffered to Jews, to give anti-Semites a more scientific sounding ideology, and also emphesize the fact that Jews are racially, not only religiously, different from europeans.

Using the term to reffer to Arab hatred is simply historically misleading.
Just because Arabs are Semites, doesn't mean that a specific term which includes the word "semite" reffer to them.

Historically, anti-Semites had no problem accepting Arabs, Maltese and other semites, but hated Jews fiercly.
There were many Arab soldiers in the Waffen SS.
The Nazis didn't mass murder the Maltese (although they are semites and numbered much less than Jews).
And anti-Semitism in it's european form (where the term was coined) is pretty prevelant in the Arab world and among Arab leaders and intellectuals to these days.

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So if a Jew hater coined the term, why is it always used by Ashkenazi jews who are not semitic? And, if a racist coins a term, wouldn't it be his fellow racists who would constantly use the term, not the race to which it is directed? More than that, it is also inaccurate to apply it only to jews, not Arabs and other semites. So, why do Ashkenazi jews constantly overuse and misuse the inaccurate term coined by a racist?

Again, it's your opinion that Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semites, and yet you failed to prove they aren't.
You also ignore me refuting your so-called proofs which are based on pseudo-scientific, anti-Jewish and religious websites tongue.gif.

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OK - you are not only using the word demagogue as a verb not as a noun

Read the full sentence, it's pretty accurate.
It is quite common to use that term as it is - "demagogue", and it also reffers to a person who twist others' words and tell half-trues which are only partially based on facts in order to make a political agenda and win in political arguments. And that's exactly what you have been doing. It is also known to be used by radicals and racists, because usually this is how they precieve the world.

And in a more personal notion - attacking someone on their literacy when they are using non-native tongue shows you have no real point to make, and all you are looking for is to degrading and humiliating the person you are debating with. But then again, all your posts about Israel and the Jews are filled with anti-Semitism and hatred to my people, so nothing new here tongue.gif.
turbonium
Back on topic - I had a thread about this issue back in May, titled, oddly enough "The US is still a Brtish colony" grin2.gif

Below is a link and part of an article from it that I found interestng. Go to the link for the actual statutes and treaties.
US British

AMERICAN LAND OWNERSHIP, A TRUE OXYMORON

The below statute contains a wealth of information, it is just another example of who owns the land in this country. The first thing I want you to see is, Corporation is large case C, proper noun, referring to the main Corporation, the United States Corporation, also made clear by the end of the first sentence. Notice also, that even the Corporation (the United States government)doesn't claim Allodial title, because that office found is with the king, the government has only been vested with fee simple title through the Corporate Charters of the Crown, as amended by the 1783 Treaty of Peace and resulting 1787 Constitution. The king can only pass Allodial title to his heirs, no one else. This is why the highest title the government can pass is fee simple.

Also, notice that the Corporation can divest any and all occupiers of the land of any title or deed they may hold, transfer the land to the Corporation, in which it holds the land in fee simple title, and the title previously held by individuals or State has its title quieted (divested) and office found, then reversion back to the Corporation.

In May, 1775, Washington said: 'If you ever hear of me joining in any such measure [as separation from Great Britain], you have my leave to set me down for everything wicked'- He also said: 'It is not the wish or interest of the government [meaning Massachusetts], or of any other upon this continent, separately or collectively, to set up for independence'" Ingersoll, North American Review, CLV. No.2, August, 1892, p. 183, also quote in Sources of the Constitution of the United States, c. Ellis Stevens, 1927, page 36.

Now to the Act of Washington, and for those of you who have not seen this, the Act that made the reclaiming and managing of the kings Corporation possible, and made possible the end run of the 1787 Constitution.

"..if we (the US) won the war, how is the king granting us anything?".




turbonium
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Not an opinion, a fact.
Go to the main page of that website, and it's pretty clear what are the agendas of that site.
It's like saying that stating the Nazis hated Jews is an opinion, not a fact.
Again, more demagogue.


You are once again argung based on your personal opinion when you don't back up your opinion without any facts to show it is a racist site.


So if a Jew hater coined the term, why is it always used by Ashkenazi jews who are not semitic? And, if a racist coins a term, wouldn't it be his fellow racists who would constantly use the term, not the race to which it is directed? More than that, it is also inaccurate to apply it only to jews, not Arabs and other semites. So, why do Ashkenazi jews constantly overuse and misuse the inaccurate term coined by a racist?

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Again, it's your opinion that Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semites, and yet you failed to prove they aren't.
You also ignore me refuting your so-called proofs which are based on pseudo-scientific, anti-Jewish and religious websites


You didn't answer my questions above. And your refutations are not proof of any historical link of Ashkenazis to Palestine, either. What does Zionism have to do with the true ancestral origins of the true Jewish people? It is a political movement that hijacked the true Jewish people for their own ambitions. If you are truly of Jewish origin, you go against the Torah by living in Israel. Do you need proof of that or do you know it quite well enough?

As the website Jews Against Zionism states..

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.J A Zion

OK - you are not only using the word demagogue as a verb not as a noun
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Read the full sentence, it's pretty accurate.
It is quite common to use that term as it is - "demagogue", and it also reffers to a person who twist others' words and tell half-trues which are only partially based on facts in order to make a political agenda and win in political arguments. And that's exactly what you have been doing. It is also known to be used by radicals and racists, because usually this is how they precieve the world.

And in a more personal notion - attacking someone on their literacy when they are using non-native tongue shows you have no real point to make, and all you are looking for is to degrading and humiliating the person you are debating with. But then again, all your posts about Israel and the Jews are filled with anti-Semitism and hatred to my people, so nothing new here tongue.gif.
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The best response to more of your nonsense is to again quote from the link...

As we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.

These words above certainly ring true to your allegations. Are you modeling yourself as a Zionist playing a phony race card? If I am anti-semitic, why do I source links and quotes from the Jewish websites themselves? I agree with what they say - do you call them anti-semitic as well?


Mad Cobra
what are you lot ranting about the world is an experiment of reptilian race
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