Do the writers of viruses know what kind pain that they cause other people?


What would you do with a person that wrote a virus that infected your computer?

Out of my many hours of cursing, hitting stuff, deleting, more cursing, searching and even more cursing I say we should slowly torture them as long as possible. Give them blood transfusions to keep them alive for weeks and hopefully months to prolong the suffering of the toture. Slowly cut them... you get the idea.

Kill them.

Revive them.

Then kill them again.

Well, I've said it before, but I believe that hackers should be considered in the same light as, and treated like, terrorists. They are essentially commiting the same act; wantonly attacking innocent civilians with the intention of disrupting their lives.

Shoot them, or hang them, whichever is the most economically efficient

..... or perhaps use them to fix the security problems in our software, so that new ones can't do the same?

Make the penalties high and you may not even have new ones.

But fine, okay remove their human rights, make them state property and have them fix computers. Sounds almost as bad as death actually

Most hackers are only seeking information, without the intent on disrupting lives, although their are some with evil intentions who should be maimed - like the guy who hacked Valve.



Shooting them, to slow. Hanging them, too painless.
Premature burial... they gotta get buried one day...

pfffft simple, just make them take their pale selves outside and do some sport.

'ahhhhhhh sunlight it burns!!! '
'noooooooo not press ups'

They'll be praying for death before long

I find comfort in the thought of a special place in Hell reserved for those kind of people. I HATE virusmakers.

Virus writers used to mostly consist of wannabe script kiddies. However, Spyware & rogue diallers have now taken software into the arena of organised crime, extortion and telecom fraud. Now that there's a valid, albeit criminal, Business model for Malware, expect to see it kick off on a global basis, especially as the Computing industry is still in decline and recruits are easier to find.

In addition, as we are becoming more and more dependant on the Internet, it's easy to envision software being used as a Terrorist tool to disrupt and destabilise entire economies. Imagine the widespread chaos and damage to the Global economy that would be caused if the entire Internet went down for a day. A week. A month. Permanently.

Writers of *all* malicious software need to be treated as terrorists, regardless of age. A strong message needs to be sent to the Malware coders, before it's too late.

They are probably reading this thread now in their y-fronts all aroused.

You know, that's something that I hear all the time from the hackers themselves..."I will keep on doing it until (insert company here) fix the security gap!" as if, in their twisted world where morals mean nothing, they're doing everyone else a service.

I don't believe that people should have to design software for home use with the idea in mind that some little bastard is going to try and attack it. The cowards that attack home users just...I don't have the words to describe my disgust.

Talon and I used to run a chatroom years ago...it ended up being plagued by hackers who'd try and break into the script, delete our member accounts...you know the type of thing. And it's just...why? They decided to set out, and spent countless hours tapping away at their keyboard, for the sole purpose of making someone else miserable, and destroying something that their victims had worked hard to create, and took pride in.

It's sickening...there's no valuable information to be had there, no long term benefits (or short term benefits for that matter). All it acheived was some skinny little punk who didn't have the balls do face any of the people he hurt across anything but a ridiculously high speed internet connection got to get his fix.

Sickening.. Very well put.

The argument about the security gap is rediciolus, it's like saying. I CAN steal your car, and therefore i should, so you'll be more careful in the future..

I know a guy that creates spyware and popups for a living. He went from living in a travel trail and driving a junk car to living in a house and driving a Vett. There is good money in filling up somebody's hard drive with stuff they don't want and destroying their computer. He says he has a job for me when I get out of school.


I think many virus makers do it because they hate Micro-soft. Hate is a great motivator for spending time taping away at a virus. Actually if you get away from Micro-soft products you don't get viruses and spyware. To bad these hackers and virus makers would take all that energy and make a better OS. Of course there are the ones that are just mean nasty people. Sometimes I wonder if a lot of this stuff doesn't come from the companies that make the blockers and the anti-virus soft ware.
What would I like to do to them. Put them in a cell with a computer that changes it settings everyday, then crashes as soon as you get them right. No books, no TV, no friends, bad food and just a crumby old computer. Matter of fact they can have mine.

I never said they should, of course they shouldn't have to... But in my opinion why just take someone out who is attacking a security flaw and leave the next person to come along and attack that security flaw.... The only way past it, is to fix it, and the best way is to get those who were attacking them to find a way to make them un-attackable....

Absolutely. Use them to stop future hackers, and viruses.




THEN kill them slowly.....

As to hackers "hating Microsoft", so what. I hate high gas prices. Does that give me licence to sneak into peoples cars and sugar their gas? "Well, if they switched to electric cars, then I'd stop". These freaks do it because they can. It makes them feel "L33t to crash someones computer.

I hope you realise that if you take it you'll be hurting and disrupting the lives of other people for a living, costing them hundreds or thousands of pounds in repairs to line your own pockets. But I guess you're okay with that?

Tell your friend that he's a vicouse (bad word), and that people like him cost The Western world billions of dollars on a yearly basis. I hope when they find him they force him to pay for it. When he has nothing left to sell he can sell himself on a prison block somewhere, hmm?

what his friend is diong is obviously legal, its most likely a job where he programs mass mailers etc, he probably makes the programs that spam your inbox....spam is annoying, but it is a far cry from hurting someone or causing economical damages. i would quickly take that position his friend has offered.

also hackers and viruswriters are two different things, a "bad" hacker messes with one individual or individual company at a time, where as a virus is created, released, and then spread automatically causing on occasion global destruction

Actually he said his friend creates spyware, which is (although complicated) illegal. Plus, Spam is illegal and does cost billions to companies nationwide.

the spamming itself is illegal perhaps, but i dont think the programming of the program that does it is, just like the programming of spyware i dont beleive is illegal, once he sells it to the company that wants it, its in that companies hands now not his

for instance i can create a virus and distribute it and id be the one to blame, but i can create the virus sell it, and then its in the hands of the purchaser after that....just how i can buy a car and hit someone, or i can sell my car and they hit someone...its thier fault now, not mine

True, but if people refused to write the programmes they wouldn't be able to do the damage they do do.

Now, A car is differnt. You buy a car to drive it, without the intention of hitting someone. And when you sell it to someone, you don't expect them to hit someone.

But Spyware is created with the knowledge of the damage it does. Heck, read the Post I quoted earlier - "A lot of money to be made in destroying other peoples computers".

He knows his programme is being used to hurt others and cost them money. But even if he refused to write them, someone else would. "Harmony will never be known as long as corruption makes men rich."

thats very true, but if i could make millions of dollars doing something that comes easy to me like that i would...there gets to be a point where you have to stop worrying about others and worry about your self and your own well being.....i am not effected by spam or viruses or spyware...there is no reason why anyone else should be either...

We should take the writer of a virus...tie him to a chair...and make him watch a horrible movie....like scooby doo 2...... son of the mask....spongebob squarepants.... movies like that!!! They will never think of writing another virus!

*shakes head*

*pause*

*shakes head again*

And this, my friends, is what is wrong with the world. "To hell with everyone else, as long as I got mine".

So just because you have a talent for writing code, you should take advantage of those with lesser abilities? And if they aren't as computer savvy as you, well thats their tough luck, right?

All I can say then, is good luck to you, and I hope that you get what you deserve.

I don't think it's just hate of this OS, or that OS.
I think it's the amount of people affected. Microsoft/Windows has what 80% + of the personal computer market. Means a lot more people screaming help, when a pesky virus comes up.



Yeah, they could always write games... do something USEFUL for the IT industry, rather than trying to f*** it all up.

You're saying you wouldn't?

You tell lies.

Seeking.....your attitude is the very reason I started this thread. Look at all the people that are showing how upset they are with people that write viruses and spyware. Your kind, the ones that either write it or think it is ok are in a very small minority.
Anytime a person deliberately causes another person suffering, you are doing wrong. And if you don't agree then you are going to learn that lesson the hard way.
You imply that the world is so dog eat dog that a person must do what ever they have to to make a living. But the world is dog eat dog because of how you think. You and others that have that same philosophy are the reason the world has this dog eat dog problem. If money is your God, then humans are expendable right?



In all sincerity, you need therapy if you seriously think the way you do.
Get away from the key board and get an education and learn human empathy.

Because some things are as true as life, "What profits a man to gain the world, but lose his soul!"

Mmmm... to the guy who created the virus that deleted my files... cut IT. That's the price to pay for destroying years of MP3's and files (and my SH2 story) of hundreds of people.

I know it's totally gross, but efective

I'm sorry, but hating a company is not, and never will be, an excuse for causing misery to thousands of people who have done nothing except buy a computer. Hackers don't harm microsoft, they harm home users. Any hacker who thinks they're striking a blow in some holy crusade against Bill Gates is a complete moron.



Don't talk absolute crap. If you were to create a peice of software that is designed to be used for malicious purposes, then you are responsible for any damage it does, regardless of whether you sell it or not. You know exactly what the buyer is going to use it for.

It's not like selling your car to some Joe on the street. It's like selling a gun to a person who's told you they're going to go shoot up their school with it.

I agree with JMPD1, I hope you get what you deserve.

Exactly!

Weird I didn't even say it and its quoted me

Still I agree too.

Probably because our comps'll have the same IP I'm not sure.

k

like i said, there gets to be a point when you have to worryabout your self..did you read the rest of the thread, his friend was not very succesful, shitty car, shitty house, his talent made him successful...how is that wrong?




its not taking advantage of anyone with lesser abilities, cluttering an in-box with spam is not taking advantage of anything



um...exactly

when you play pool, and your oponent is not as good as you, should you play less hard? or when you are racing on a track and your oponent is not as fast as you, should you slow down? why then should someone who has the skills NOT use them to his advantage, thats the whole point of talents, to USE them



i nice big paycheck...thank you for understanding




oh i dont condone using viruses or spyware, but there is no harm in writing them



i agree with that, writing programs does not harm anyone, the use of them might though



i thought my mindset was the minority?



i am my god



i think like the majority of the world, what is to say that you are not the one that needs the therapy for not following suit with the "norm"



im probably one of the more educated people on this board, i know about human empathy



i dont beleive in souls



so the creator of the gun is responsible for me shooting someone with it?

the creator of the airplane is responsible for 9/11?

einstein is responsible for hiroshima?

think through your arguments a little more...




no you dont, they can use it for mass mailing in there own company, they can use it for personal use, they can use it to solicit, to name a few



its definetly not, as i have allready pointed out



nice...two big pay checks

Drug dealers earn a lot of money for their talent of coming by illegal and harmful substances...I suppose you think they're perfectly alright, and harm nobody.



Seeking, you are absolutely disgusting if you can compare activly setting out to cause harm to a person by damaging their propert to some kind of sport or a game.



Maybe one day you'll do an honest day's living...

you know someone who has overdosed on spam? or was killed in a gun fight over spyware, cuz i dont



writing code does not harm anyone





everyday actually

You didnt create the gun, the gun is already there when you arrive. What virus writers do, is find a way to load the gun and c*** it ready to fire, and if they hand off a loaded weapon to someone who uses it.... Yes they are responsible.

Virus writers do not create, they manipulate...

well im more talking about spam, and creating spyware, viruses are a different breed although most of the time classed the in the same category

Either that, or you could read my arguements a little more. I said no such thing...my example was far closer, in fact, to what you would be doing.

My only hope is that you're talking crap, and that isn't you job. The idea that anyone could not only make a living supplying tools to abuse home internet users, and actually be proud enough to brag about how much money it makes them...that's just sickening.

no its not my job, im a supervisor at an answering service, and i deal with spam, spyware, and viruses all the time, just recently our internet access has been restricted due to spyware, but who do i blame? the creators of the spyware, or the employees foolish enough to download it?

I think I'd blame the cretins who put it on the internet to begin with to be honest Spyware has managed to leak into every corner of the internet...I wouldn't blame a person who was innocently browsing the internet, and was ambushed by a program planted by a sexually frustrated teenager, with nothing better to do than make other people's life misery.

I'm not supporting the hackers or people who write viruses but did you guys actually know that most viruses on the internet, on your computers and several other networks are made by the same companies that sell bug fixes and anti-virus tool kits to people?

Several of these viruses are written by hi-fi computer programmers who do it because their company's management asks them to, they don't have a choice, they have to do it to keep their jobs. First, the company makes a deadly virus that could crash your systems and hamper your networks, then they spread them around to demonstrate the havoc that they can create. Lots of systems crash; people have to buy new hardware parts: it's money for the hardware companies, some of the systems get damaged, again : it's money for the technicians who repair it (of course, they don't reveal all this) and then the same company which made the virus comes up and says that their company has made an anti-virus program that gets rid of this virus and that it's a must buy, and, of course, it comes at a price and everbody has to buy it to protect their systems from this virus, again: you guessed it right! It's money for the anti-virus company.

This is the way companies generate money by fooling people. Smart ain't it?

Coming from a technician, who has been involved with one major anti-virus company as well as the other end with end users.... You are very wrong......

If you checked this out, you would see that anti-virus companies actually alert each other that there is a system/security flaw that is possible, and they work and actually fix it BEFORE it even gets out onto home computers......

How many virus's have hit the world in such a bad way? Have you considered thats just the amount that have NOT been seen, or holes that weren't seen so they weren't blocked... rather then sent out for the cause.....

You'd be surprised with the amount of work done by these companies to try and stop hackers, and people who work in an industry like that have to listen to rubbish like this......

Dude, I'm a software programmer myself, so I WOULD know. I'm not saying every company does it, nor am I saying that none of the viruses are written by individuals. What I'm saying is that ALL viruses are NOT written by looney maniacs whose whole and sole purpose is to cause damage.

Companies work round the clock to fix their security issues to make their applications more user friendly and fool proof and there are surely several companies and people who put in a great deal of effort just to make people's lives better:I agree but it's just that the world is just not AS holy as you think it to be. There are a lot of marketing stratergies involved.

Every now and again on this forum, someone makes a really good comparison, insightful, thought provoking....


...and every now and again someone makes a REAL doozy like this one.

The airplane wasn't invented to cause harm, and quite right Einstein isn't responsible for Hiroshima, as even something as deadly as the atomic bomb may one day serve a peaceful purpose.

Also, the inventor of the gun, to use another example, can't be blamed for Dunblane, but even guns have their uses even though most of us (Texans aside) hate them.

The difference here is that spyware and spam have no righteous cause, they aren't groundbreaking inventions, they don't serve humanity in any way whatsoever.

The day I challenge a spyware writer to a computer programming contest, perhaps your "game of pool" example will be appropriate, but as it stands I don't recall asking anyone to infect my computer to see if I can clean it afterwards.

For someone who thinks they are...

...your arguments are seriously flawed. That's a bold statement to make about a 21,000 strong community and I'd bet I'm not the only one who disagrees with you there.

All I can say at this point, is that I feel utter contempt for seeking, and any like him who share his 'vision' of how the world works.

I'll not respond further to this thread, but know that from now on, every time I get a spam e-mail, or my computer gets infected by spyware OR viruses, I'll be heartily cursing seeking and his ilk.

Seeking...you are a supervisor? I have to think of what kind of example you must set to your subordinates:

You are your own God, so you think you are a God.

You don't believe in souls, so you are a soulless God.

You a Satanist by chance? It would explain a lot.

I have never heard of a person that deliberately tried to download spyware BTW.

And yes you are a minority, but so few people can make so much pain for so many others.

Man, I don't know what kind of childhood you had but somebody failed to get you to understand how the world should be. If we all had the same kind of attitude as you have, the world would be a true hell on earth. The goal is to not let humankind fall into that sad state. Would you want your children to live in that kind of a world?

Well, good luck to you anyway. I hope you can learn that we all need to do our part, collectively, to make the world a better place.

Can't go wrong with nukes

Its not the virus's that bother me, or the spyware, not even the trojans
What bothers me the most are the damn keyloggers!