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scoobysnack
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I don't know if this has been covered in this forum but I just wanted to point it out to those who may not have heard this.
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"The 1971 flowchart makes it perfectly clear, the design, intent and purpose of the U.S. Special Virus program. As Dr. Peter Piot, Executive Director of UNAIDS says, the HIV/AIDS virus is the result of many steps in the laboratory, it was no accident.  The 1971 flowchart provides absolute evidence of the United States' intent to kill its own citizens and others.gunsmilie.gif

Dr. Boyd E. Graves - September 28, 2002


Investigate yourself, Boyd Grave's website

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After beginning his research on the AIDS pandemic in 1992, Dr. Boyd Graves discovered in February 1999 the greatest evidence, to date, of records and reports of the experiments that led to the development of what the world now knows as the AIDS virus. That document is the “1971 Flow Chart of the Special Virus Program of the United States.” Dr. Graves submitted this flowchart as evidence to the Sixth Circuit Federal Court in a case which named the President of the United States as a defendant to answer a petition acknowledging the authenticity of the Flow Chart. On January 12, 2001, the case was dismissed as “frivolous,” and then referred to the District’s Appellate Court, which ruled in favor of the lower court. Eventually, it went to the Supreme Court, which refused to hear it without giving comment as to why. Dr. Graves spoke with Final Call contributor Sultan Muhammad to explain the significance and consequences of his research. - (FinalCall.com)

According to Boyd Graves: The 1971 Flow Chart is the blueprint for the development of AIDS. It is the quintessential missing link document which provides absolute proof of the U.S. origin of HIV/AIDS. It is located in one of the 15 progress reports of the federal program entitled “The U.S. Special Virus Cancer Program.” I believe the term “cancer” was a misnomer to misdirect the actuality of the HIV development. It provides, again, absolute, absolute evidence of the U.S. origin of HIV as a synthetic biological agent.

We are currently bringing the lawsuit again with respect to the origin of AIDS/U.S. manufacture of AIDS, vis-à-vis through a federal complaint which we now have pending in the San Diego Federal Court.

(In 1932, Mr. Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the current president, convened the first international eugenics)

Many of us are aware that the Tuskegee experiment, where Black sharecroppers were injected intentionally with syphilis for the purposes of infiltrating syphilis into the Black genome. Some 60 years later, we could then say that Black people are scurrilous; syphilis runs rampant throughout Black people and, therefore, they are someone to be placed in a secondary capacity. That is particularly in line with the eugenics program where White births are encouraged and Black births are discouraged.

In 1932, the infectious agent of HIV was first tested on sheep in Iceland. That agent is called Visna. In 1932, in conjunction with the Tuskegee syphilis program, they were testing the infectious agent of HIV on an island nation. We have Visna as 30 percent of the sequences of the HIV here today. So, 1932 not only is significant for the start of a push for eugenics, i.e. a White birth order, but also the start of the testing of the infectious agent of HIV in AIDS.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1597.shtml

JayRob303
I believe that it probably was a virus designed by the government, intended to elimate hosexuals, IV drug users, and adulteres. I also believe they have the cure...
But, yeah...I think it was...and still is, a very effective virus.
TaintedDoughnuts
It's like what my Bible teacher said:

"If we didn't have any sex outside of marriage, AIDs wouldn't exist today like it does."
aquatus1
HIV an effective virus? It is so weak that brief exposure to temperature changes kills it. Brief exposure to alkalinity changes kill it (when I was in high school, it was widely assumed that sperm was a hotbed of HIV. Today, we know that the minute scarring involved in sexplay is generally responsible for the transmission of the virus, and ejaculate only carries a minor amount of the virus. I still recall the angry response to the doctor who first brought up this theory). It takes a significant amount of time to cause AIDS, more than enough time for the person infected to procreate, and in a significant amount of cases does not ever cause AIDS. Even on causing AIDS, the person with the syndrome is not incapacitated until the later stages of the diseas, which, again, are not guaranteed, althoug probable.

As an effective virus, it misses the mark by a wide margin. If the government commissioned its creation, I would demand my money back.
isis-999
It's like what my Bible teacher said:

"If we didn't have any sex outside of marriage, AIDs wouldn't exist today like it does." {quote}


TD..that make's alot of since.. I hate to say this, out of all the crazy conspirscies BS.. I hear on this thread, this is the only time you may ever hear me say i agree.. Aid's was no freak act of nature, I doubt since this stared in Africa that the CDC..where the one's to release it..Instead i would lean more to the WHO.. as the cause.. wink2.gif
aquatus1
If we didn't have any sex outside of marrige, if we only had sex for procreation, if we only had sex after a through medical examination and in sterile conditions, sure, the rate of infection would not be as high, but then, trying to rely on social conditioning that goes against the inherent instinct of humans as animals always tends to fail. Look at how well telling priests to remain celibate worked.
JayRob303
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 5 2005, 07:31 PM)
HIV an effective virus?  It is so weak that brief exposure to temperature changes kills it.  Brief exposure to alkalinity changes kill it (when I was in high school, it was widely assumed that sperm was a hotbed of HIV.  Today, we know that the minute scarring involved in sexplay is generally responsible for the transmission of the virus, and ejaculate only carries a minor amount of the virus.  I still recall the angry response to the doctor who first brought up this theory).  It takes a significant amount of time to cause AIDS, more than enough time for the person infected to procreate, and in a significant amount of cases does not ever cause AIDS.  Even on causing AIDS, the person with the syndrome is not incapacitated until the later stages of the diseas, which, again, are not guaranteed, althoug probable.

As an effective virus, it misses the mark by a wide margin.  If the government commissioned its creation, I would demand my money back.
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I disagree. With all it's downfalls, public attention, and public learning on the virus...it is still running rampant. In Africa the average old age is 33 years old...this is due to AIDS and failure to use sexual protection...
Thank the Pope for that one...

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If we didn't have any sex outside of marrige, if we only had sex for procreation, if we only had sex after a through medical examination and in sterile conditions, sure, the rate of infection would not be as high, but then, trying to rely on social conditioning that goes against the inherent instinct of humans as animals always tends to fail. Look at how well telling priests to remain celibate worked.


Isn't this what makes us human instead of animals? I know that technically we are animals, however, the ability to 'think' and overcome our instinct's makes humanity different than the rest of the animal kingdom.
aquatus1
It is one thing to overcome our instincts and not club the secretary over the head and drag her off to the cave for some procreation, another entirely to completely deny and entire aspect of species sexuality.
JayRob303
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 5 2005, 09:38 PM)
It is one thing to overcome our instincts and not club the secretary over the head and drag her off to the cave for some procreation, another entirely to completely deny and entire aspect of species sexuality.
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Same concept, different examples of overcoming instinct.
TaintedDoughnuts
Why does it all come down to humans fulfilling their basic animal urges? Here's a quote from Kill Bill, Volume two for you:
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If you want to eat like a dog, you can live and sleep outside like a dog. If you want to live and sleep like a human, pick up those sticks!


- Pai Mei

Same here; if you want to have sex like dogs, why not do everything else like a dog? If you want to be human, at least learn to control yourself original.gif If this has nothing to do with the topic, then oops.
isis-999
I know sex is the #one reason for aid's, but it's more then just that..I seen where men in some country's would not use condom's.There wife's had no choice but to have unproteted sex with them..these are the same country's where it is ok..to have more then one female..It's no wonder aides is such a problem.. We must change how people think.. But to get back on thread..it's funny they don't know where this really come's from. hmm.gif
JayRob303
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Aug 5 2005, 11:24 PM)
I know sex is the #one reason for aid's, but it's more then just that..I seen where men in some country's would not use condom's.There wife's had no choice but to have unproteted sex with them..these are the same country's where it is ok..to have more then one female..It's no wonder aides is such a problem.. We must change how people think.. But to get back on thread..it's funny they don't know where this really come's from. hmm.gif
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I remember hearing that the virus mutated from a monkey in a test facility...anyone hear something similar?
Dang
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 6 2005, 01:40 AM)
If we didn't have any sex outside of marrige, if we only had sex for procreation, if we only had sex after a through medical examination and in sterile conditions, sure, the rate of infection would not be as high, but then, trying to rely on social conditioning that goes against the inherent instinct of humans as animals always tends to fail.  Look at how well telling priests to remain celibate worked.
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81% of the molestations by priest were homosexual acts. Hmm
Ashley-Star*Child
I wouldn't doubt the possibility that it was man-made. A site that linked to this one when I first came here had an article saying AIDs was intentionally created to eliminate responsibility in 3rd world countries, where they infected a monkey and when that monkey attacked people they caught it.

I've also heard that the cure lies in Africa by those who originally got infected as they hold the anti-body within themselves and don't actually get affected by the disease just pass it on (I heard that from a friend I had from South Africa, don't know how true it is).

AIDs however, and the dangers associated with it have been known by the medical community for literally years. My mother was working at a medical centre and a doctor there knew that AIDs was being caught by not sterillizing needles but he let it go. He also said then it can be caught through any mucous membrane saliva, mucous, blood (and small cuts) etc. For that reason my mother never allowed me to share straws with anyone, share brushes, nothing. Fear of AIDs is one of the major reasons for the choices I make in life regarding sex, that being no pre-marital sex. I'm sorry but sex may be great, but it's not worth dying for.
JayRob303
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I'm sorry but sex may be great, but it's not worth dying for.


I don't know...there's a few...just kiddin' w00t.gif

I would have to agree, and can only hope that my daughter makes the same choices...
4dplane
QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Aug 5 2005, 06:23 PM)
It's like what my Bible teacher said:

"If we didn't have any sex outside of marriage, AIDs wouldn't exist today like it does."
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For one, if the Christian Right did not tell Africa that condoms are a sin, the stats show that Africa would have lower numbers in AIDS cases. Americans use condoms, Americans have sex like mad dogs, just our porn industry alone out ranks half of the Christian Right (a joke!). Americans know and believe about AIDS. Americans have a fraction of the AIDS cases that Africans have.

Some Africans are told AIDS is BS and others are told AIDS exists because the Africans are bad people.

OMFG! – This is Sick $hit people! Science and fact have shown that if you put a seat belt on and drive your car into a wall at 50 miles an hour, you will probably live vs if you do Not wear a seat belt. If you wear a condom every single time you have sex you will most likely NEVER catch AIDS vs if you never wear a condom.

Out of the dark ages we must come people! All of us, read, learn, listen, and wake up! Facts are facts for a reason. Do you know why?
Ashley-Star*Child
A condom doesn't always protect you from AIDs. It's better than nothing I suppose, but it's not foolproof. People still get pregant using condoms that break, etc, what makes you think AIDs is any different.
4dplane
This is why I believe man will drop nukes on each other again Ashley-Star*Child. Statements like “A condom doesn't always protect you from AIDs. It's better than nothing I suppose, but it's not foolproof. People still get pregant using condoms that break, etc, what makes you think AIDS is any different”, prove how absolutely ignorant people like yourself are willing to accept pain, suffering and early death.

Your god made Earth and math is a language that works very well in describing this world. One of these fields of mathematics is called statistics – you should take this math course at you local college, it is usually only two credits for an into course and it will show you, prove to you, tell you for a statistical fact, that you will “MOST LIKLEY NOT” CATCH AIDS IF YOU USE A CONDOM CORECTLY.

Wow, it’s a miracle; we can help ourselves if we want to! Wouldn’t you know? Thank God for statistics.

If you do not believe in facts like these Ashley-Star*Child then congratulations, you are UM’s most famous nincompoop. clap.gif

Thank you – and happy bell curves!
TaintedDoughnuts
Statistics = sleepy.gif I love Geometry though grin2.gif

4dplane is right- if it's used correctly, they'll work 98% of the time, the 2% being the manufacturer's fault. Of course, there is those dumb people that need lubricant, and that'll break down the latex, making it a 12% breaking chance. It's better than nothing, but it's always a possibility. Your statistics can say otherwise, but the danger's always there. For example, you want to kick a log. Statistics say you have a 70% chance of not breaking your toe. So you kick the log. Your toe doesn't break! Does this mean everytime you kick a log your toe won't break? No! It means the outcome was in your favor.

Still, the best way to not catch AIDs is to stop having sex with everybody you go out with original.gif I'm starting to think this virus was man- made disgust.gif

Just my two cents tongue.gif
distortedpandy
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Aug 5 2005, 07:40 PM)
I believe that it probably was a virus designed by the government, intended to elimate hosexuals, IV drug users, and adulteres.  I also believe they have the cure...
But, yeah...I think it was...and still is, a very effective virus.
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wow...finally someone who has my same theory thumbsup.gif
aquatus1
I can't agree that it is a very good virus, but I will have to say that it is almost uniquely adapted to target the homosexual vector.
aquatus1
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Aug 6 2005, 03:29 AM)
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 5 2005, 09:38 PM)
It is one thing to overcome our instincts and not club the secretary over the head and drag her off to the cave for some procreation, another entirely to completely deny and entire aspect of species sexuality.
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Same concept, different examples of overcoming instinct.
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One example involves denying an instinct for a brief period, the other involves denying it for the lifetime of the human. Hardly the same examples.

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Same here; if you want to have sex like dogs, why not do everything else like a dog? If you want to be human, at least learn to control yourself original.gif If this has nothing to do with the topic, then oops.


Why does it have to be all or nothing? Control doesn't mean complete and total denial. It simply means being able to decide when and where you will allow yourself certain actions.
Conspiracy
i to believe that AIDS was a created virus, its also a better explanation then the theory i heared, i heared it was caused by a guy doing it with a monkey then a woman :/ but thats just sick... anyways ya...
aquatus1
Thinking of a guy engaging in bestiality is sick, but thinking that the government created a virus to eradicate an entire population of people isn't? That's a more reasonable explanation?
theSOURCE
Serious researchers have traced the first case of AIDS back to the 1930s.

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Using the world's fastest supercomputer, the scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratory calculated the date by analyzing the rate at which the AIDS virus mutates. Assuming the rate is constant, the scientists calculated back to a common ancestor, dubbed the "Eve virus."

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From all the present evidence, it appears that around 1930, the chimp and monkey variants of HIV were introduced into the human population in Africa at least seven times, according to Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama and her colleagues. Hahn's analysis is reported in this week's issue of the journal Science.

The leap from chimps and monkeys to humans could have been due to bites, to consumption of the contaminated animals' meat, or even to wounds incurred by men or women while butchering the animals, Hahn says.

Scientists looking for evidence that strains of the AIDS virus are continually being transmitted from chimps and monkeys have now found the animal AIDS virus in no fewer than 23 separate species of chimpanzees, monkeys, baboons and mandrills, Hahn and her colleagues report.


Link

Also, it may have been man made, but unintentionally. There is a theory that the use of AIDS contaminated monkey and chimpanzee kidney tissue to develop a polio vaccine in Africa was the cause for human infection. This idea, however, has been criticized by many scientist.

The part about sex between a man and a monkey is just someone's sick bestial erotic fantasy.
aquatus1
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The part about sex between a man and a monkey is just someone's sick bestial erotic fantasy.


Not as much as you might think.

When Kinsey released his infamous study, one of the discoveries that he made was that acts of bestiality were in the 15% range among city dwelling youths, but 30% in the farmlands (and that is only among the reports he actually got). Current studies indicate it may be even higher. The implication here is that beastiality is low more due to the inaccessability of animals, rather than to a moral compuction against having sex with them.

If you are a jungle dweller, and it is easier to find a monkey than it is to find a date, this might well apply.
Miss Bliss
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Aug 5 2005, 05:40 PM)
I believe that it probably was a virus designed by the government, intended to elimate hosexuals, IV drug users, and adulteres.  I also believe they have the cure...
But, yeah...I think it was...and still is, a very effective virus.
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If this is true that the government created a virus to eliminate these people, I think my friend's quote is very appropriate: "I Hate People."

Why is it so hard for people to accept that some people are different (homosexuals). And also, if someone gets into drugs because of a poor life choice, they shouldn't be 'eliminated'. It's their choice, and some may still have a chance to get into rehab. As for adulterers, I don't agree with their choice but people make mistakes. Thats what makes us human. So the government has basically turned our society into some sort of Dystopia.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
aquatus1
Only that drug users and adulterers represent only a small part of the infected community. By and large, the main method of transmission is through direct blood to blood contact, which pretty much narrows it down to traumatic (in the sense of broken flesh) sex, which is common in homosexual sex.
theSOURCE
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 6 2005, 09:38 AM)
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The part about sex between a man and a monkey is just someone's sick bestial erotic fantasy.


Not as much as you might think.

When Kinsey released his infamous study, one of the discoveries that he made was that acts of bestiality were in the 15% range among city dwelling youths, but 30% in the farmlands (and that is only among the reports he actually got). Current studies indicate it may be even higher. The implication here is that beastiality is low more due to the inaccessability of animals, rather than to a moral compuction against having sex with them.

If you are a jungle dweller, and it is easier to find a monkey than it is to find a date, this might well apply.
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I don't doubt that bestiality is practiced by a surprising amount of the population. I was referring to the part about AIDS first being contracted by a human through sex with a monkey.

Then again, even the scientists in the article are only hypothesizing as to how humans may have become infected (through bites, etc.)

Who knows? Maybe some horny, dateless clod did introduce the virus to humankind.

However, I still doubt it was created intentionally.

Just my 2/100

Edit: just being PC, heh...
starlitkate
Ya and I suppose every other disease in the world was man-made. Now I'am not saying that the whole man-made theory isn't correct-I wouldn't put it past the US government. But it's hard to beleive that a man-made virus could be transferred out of no where into someone that is homesexual that has a p that is negative-yet also, it can be years before the virus shows up in your system to be counted positive. That's just scary if it was man-made.
And hey ask yourself this--why would the government invent this for others like homesexuals when half the government is homesexual! laugh.gif
scoobysnack
Aids being man made doesn't surprise me after learning about plans for world population reduction. Yes, if you refrained from sex and your partner refrained from sex until the two of you married aids would disapear. Birth control is a double edged sword. I think the Catholic church dislikes birth control is because it encourages casual sex. Humans I think are the only species who uses sex for recreation instead of solely procreation.


QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 6 2005, 09:22 AM)
Thinking of a guy engaging in bestiality is sick, but thinking that the government created a virus to eradicate an entire population of people isn't?  That's a more reasonable explanation?
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More likly a sad but true explanation. The elites have no compasion for the common man. Useless beasts of burden that need to be told what to do and how to behave. Aids is more of a silent weapon.

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."

--Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund - quoted in 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?', Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December '95
4dplane
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Humans I think are the only species who uses sex for recreation instead of solely procreation


First off, you don't know that because you are not a dog or hourse or goat etc...

Secondly have you ever heard of the Bonobos?


"They seem to resolve a lot of their conflicts with sexual behaviour," he says. "If two bonobos have a fight, they may make up with a sexual reconciliation, which is typical for their species. So there's a lot of sexual activity that goes on that has more social meaning than reproductive meaning." Their sexuality also mirrors humans in a couple of other ways, too.
Source ^
Ashley-Star*Child
QUOTE(4dplane @ Aug 6 2005, 07:23 AM)
This is why I believe man will drop nukes on each other again Ashley-Star*Child. Statements like “A condom doesn't always protect you from AIDs. It's better than nothing I suppose, but it's not foolproof. People still get pregant using condoms that break, etc, what makes you think AIDS is any different”, prove how absolutely ignorant people like yourself are willing to accept pain, suffering and early death.

Your god made Earth and math is a language that works very well in describing this world. One of these fields of mathematics is called statistics – you should take this math course at you local college, it is usually only two credits for an into course and it will show you, prove to you, tell you for a statistical fact, that you will “MOST LIKLEY NOT” CATCH AIDS IF YOU USE A CONDOM CORECTLY.

Wow, it’s a miracle; we can help ourselves if we want to! Wouldn’t you know? Thank God for statistics.

If you do not believe in facts like these Ashley-Star*Child then congratulations, you are UM’s most famous nincompoop.  clap.gif 

Thank you – and happy bell curves!
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EXCUSE ME. The percentage of risk in still contracting AIDs and other STDs through a condom is still there. I did not say a condom doesn't help reduce the risk, but it most definantly is not, and I quote the word again, foolproof. Now before riding your little high horse and congratulating yourself, go and find out what the word 'foolproof' actually means. It does appear you have a comprehension problem.

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Humans I think are the only species who uses sex for recreation instead of solely procreation



First off, you don't know that because you are not a dog or hourse or goat etc...



Wow, talk about being ignorant, I don't suppose you know that the only species of animal having been documented for have recreational sexual activity with the opposite sex, is the dolphin. This excludes cases of apparent homosexuality, which, like in humanity does occur. Shows how much you know. rolleyes.gif
4dplane
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 7 2005, 02:36 AM)
Wow, talk about being ignorant, I don't suppose you know that the only species of animal having been documented for have recreational sexual activity with the opposite sex, is the dolphin. […]

Bonobos have recreational sex all the time, day in and day out – Um …?

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 7 2005, 02:36 AM)
[…]This excludes cases of apparent homosexuality, which, like in humanity does occur.

Bonobos are bi-sexual, dolphins you say are not – ok – again, what is your point?

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 7 2005, 02:36 AM)
EXCUSE ME. The percentage of risk in still contracting AIDs and other STDs through a condom is still there. […]

Wow, what a statement you have made here! The percentage is still there – “%>0” - very insightful. But by how “profanity here” much! wink2.gif

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 7 2005, 02:36 AM)
[…]I did not say a condom doesn't help reduce the risk, but it most definantly is not, and I quote the word again, foolproof.

Ya, but you did say, “It's better than nothing I suppose, but it's not foolproof.” Which to me sounds a bit to much like Fox News. “I suppose” as if it's really nothing significant to use or understand, when in reality, it will MOST LIKELY PROTECT YOU FROM GETTING AIDS – should we now look up the phrase “Most Likely”
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