Either some God did it
or some God didn't
can't have it both ways right

I'm probably going to be hated for this- but I don't believe any of them were. Rather I believe that man himself was an allegorical template for what we think of as God, and Devil. After all, we have the potential to be both...

I agree with Stewey. God is simply a concept of mankind's imagination.

no god's did it cuz thier nothing but a boogyman story made by people thousands of years ago to make people behave, if there was any flood it was caused by sea levels rising, thats it. if the whole world flooded then how did it shrink back so much? did someone put a giant vacuum on earth or somethin o.O

I couldn't vote because I use the names, God, Holy Father, Jehovah and sometimes Yahweh.

I believe in a higher power, a name doesn't mean that much. Though I use the ones I do because of a Catholic background.

If you look at most religions, take away the name you've got a similar being anyway, so why all the religious fighting.

when you say El in the options, who do you mean. that is simply the shortened form of the Hebrew word for god.

you forgot to make an "spooky green martian comedists did that for entertanement" option

actualy i hink this is made up like many things in bibleto make an impession, i've never seen any proof to support such event, much less prove it, but even if it did happen, it must've been a natural fenomenom (maybe the sun got more active for a little while or smthng)

I don't understand the question of the poll. What 'crime' are you talking about?

Leader of the gods. The first Canaanite god, El dwelt on Mount Saphon, and it was under his aegis that Baal married Anat, defeated the sea god Yam and the death lord Mot, and was installed as the divine bestower of life-giving rain. Represented as an aged man, El wore bull's horns, the symbol of strength, and was usually depicted as seated. He is also known as El 'Elyon, "God Most High."
kind of proto Yahweh really
still distinct and seperate depending on which version of Judaism you follow.
he was blamed for the flood basically so he made the list.
but let me quell any worries by saying he was not responsible as he appears in history far too late in the day.
unless that plato has been round with his pesky time machine again

God cannot be proven only Known, Beyond subjectivity no world exists its all a figment of our imagination I agree with Source and Stewey Namaste sheri

I'm reserving the right to judge whether a god exists or not to my own free time..But if we're merely talking about which god was the Protype of the Popular God people in western civilization worship today, then I'm going to have to go with Enlil.

I vote for nothing, since I, as a buddhist, have no flood myth, and to view the flood as a possible event I go to science.

However...the Christian 'God' is not "no name"...it is "Jehovah", based on the Hebrew consanants 'YHVH'.

May I also add that Hinduism, the oft-forgotten major world religion, was not accounted for in this survey.

Good day to you all.

What is this crime of which you speak?

Glad to see the art of loaded questions hasn't been lost

All the best,

For the record, I voted for Yahweh - the fact that this is a loaded question does not detract from the fact that it was Yahweh who sent the flood.

attempted genocide
allegedly
of course if it didn't happen everyone gets aquitted

I resign from this thread until further notice. This question has been asked, answered, counter questioned, and argued so many times I refuse to do so again until this thread changes to a different point.

All the best,

I think everyone knows my stance on this one.

hmm
you seem to have missed the point
i'd wanted to get the views of the posters in this forum to have a look at their belief systems
and then i would have revealed the true answer because i've been studying this question in depth for some time now.
so far Yahweh is being fitted up for something he couldn't possibly have done
This isn't a thread for argument or discussion
its just a poll
but i respect your decision.
thankyou for your honesty

Enlil..no typo's..

Well done
very proud of you Goddess

None of the above. But it didn't just happen. I'm surprised at you, Marduk. Why would you ask such an question to which you yourself probably already know or think you know the answer to? And besides this question can not be answered. How can you argue the existence of a creator of the universe if you can't even say for a fact there is or ever was one? If anything, this is a philosphical debate. And most philiosophical debates are never satisfactorily solved.

I believe that it has to be that way for those who believe in God (speaking of a monotheistic god here). After all, by definition, God is all knowing, all powerful. God, therefore, has to be right. There is no alternate allowed. Now, the different religions and sects of those religions each think that they alone really know what God wants from humanity. Perforce, all who believe differently are wrong by definition. Since the believers of each sect know they are right, then the others, being wrong, also are, by reason of their refusing the genuine desires of God must, by definition, be evil. Since the others have been told (by that given sect) what God wants, and the others have refused to accept God's true desires, then the others are wanting. It takes little beyond that for them to decide (particularly when their religious leaders tell them so) that it is their duty to God to do away with these evil unbelievers. How on Earth could they be wrong in doing so, when they know they are, in fact, right all the time on all religious matters?

This is, by the way, the argument presented in the Q'uran. While there is some toleration of "people of the book" (if they pay tribute), nevertheless, in failing to accept the further word of God as expressed in the Q'uran (the very latest pronouncements by God) to Muslims, the Jews and Christians are at least hardheaded and wrong.

As long as this view prevails, of one religion or sect considering its followers to be right and all the others wrong (as it has to be by definition) there will continue to be religious battles, sometimes unto war.

This is just about the god of the deluge.
The moslems get blamed for a lot of things thesedays but starting western religious beliefs isn't one of them.

And A R, you're always so quick to judge,
my question to you is
how do you think you know what i know, if thats true you really haven't got a clue about what I know so if you knew what i really knew you'd know that I know more than you think I know but less than i think you don't know about what i know.
know what i mean

It didn't happen, it is a story borrowed from much older Semitic religions and without an almost total suspension of physical laws (especially the laws of thermodynamics) it couldn't happen!

I think I know what you think you know, you know? God is the greatest manifestation of human ingenunity and the greatest fancy character our imagination has ever come up with. The bible -- all religion -- is farce. It's made up to have something to believe in so we don't go crazy. God gives us no miracles to comfirm our faith, and even if we think we experience one, it's actually our deluded imagination. I'm sorry, but God doesn't exist. If I turn out to be wrong, let those who have seen God tell me otherwise.

"I think I know what you think you know, you know? "
from your next statement its quite clear you don't

"God is the greatest manifestation of human ingenunity and the greatest fancy character our imagination has ever come up with. "
no he isn't
He walked the earth in the flesh, sent the flood all that stuff
it was just elaborated on a little over the millenia,,,,,,,,,
ok it was elaborated a lot and twisted out of all recognition but thats what organised religion will do to anything it controls for that length of time

To say that it didn't happen is ridiculous, as it has been scientifically proven that there was a flood.

NOW....to whom the credit is due....was left to man's imagination and thus the multitude of Gods.

As far a record being kept of the perpertrator, the most 'popular' was the hebrew Yahweh, which Jews and Christians alike lean to believe and is in the Bible which still today remains the best seller.

what are you talking about silverrain? local flooding has been scientifically proven? well, yes, we have seen localized floods of various proportions throughout history (including very recent - so there are eye witnessess). i hope you are not talking of that global flood malarchy! any science proving it is purely false science. there are a few little issues such as there is not enough water on the planet for a global flood, and if there was the current climate would be radically different (due to the high humidity).

as for the bible being a best seller, so are lottery tickets. funny how people are.....

^^ Haha, funny Hyperactive. Don't forget, Harry Potter (and all that evil sorcery ) is a pretty good seller too

.. I think that all the cultural beliefs contributed to making god(s). No one person is at fault, more of like a joint effort.

BTW, Falco, I love that new avatar, that bird looks very majestic.

Thank-you my dear Gar..

I didn't vote because there were no option that covered what I think.

I think:
There was an actual flood, when either the Atlantic ocean broke through the Gibraltar, creating the Mediterranean sea.

Or the Mediterranean sea broke through the Bosphorus, creating the Black sea.

It was a natural catastrophe, and no work of any god.

Well if you ask me, the Great God El nino may have had a hand to play in it..... As too did the God of the Sea surface temperaures

Of course, the ancients didn't know this at the time. So they blamed someone else.....

If it happened at all it was most likely a natural disaster. As for it being world wide, you have to remember that the world to people back then was the area they were in or traveled to, which I'm sure wasn't far from home. The reason they claimed it was a god that caused it is because they thought everything was due to the gods. They didn't know any better.

Did I use the word LOCAL in my paragraph, I'm sticking to "topic here."

Where have you been? Search the net buddy....or better yet go to the Library, there is definately evidence of a global flooding at one time on earth.

Now talk of another global flooding yet to come...well that's another thread...maybe you would like to start that one. Quit scanning threads and start reading. BBppppfff!

please silverrain.....

but this is about the template of a god, so then talking about flooding is not really on topic to begin with. you better get yourself to a different library if you think there was a global flood.

Read on mr. scanner...
it continues with;
"Who is the template for God; who committed the crime first"

"Which God was the one who actually sent the flood and was recorded in literature as doing so before all"

that was what the POLL was about.

So maybe you do need sharpen those reading skills of yours

STOP SCANNING and READ ENGLISH!

well sorry for stepping on your toes there silverrain! i do not reread every thread from the beginning every time.

you are just a wee bit too sensitive there.

And you... too fast to accuse!

To Assume makes an 'ass' of a 'u' and an 'me'


Meeeow!

There is no Template...God has always been. It is a concept few can understand, but if something can exist periodically, then perhaps something can exist always. Timelessness is a like concept. It has always been.

Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.

some christians say Yahweh is the God of the Bible... but once Yaweh is a mistranslation.. I cant vote for that one either....

Only outside the Space-Time continuum

Ditto pontius

Enlil, of course. So much has been borrowed from the Sumerians.

the God of Judeao-Christianity seems to be based on Mithra's father Ahuru Mazda. Since Yahweh didn't become ascendant in Palestine until after the return from the exile, and the Persians were a big influence on the rebuilding of Judea, it only stands to reason that Yahweh would borrow many of the attributes of Ahuru Mazda. Even to the point of eventually sireing a child by a moral, as in the case of Ahuru Mazda sireing Lord Mithra.

the real "god-god" is beyond all of our understanding.