I first remember reading about vimanas, i.e. highly advanced ancient Indian flying machines, in Chariots Of The Gods, the first international best-seller of the controversial author Erich Von Daniken. Down the years I have come across several other interesting references to vimanas elsewhere, too. It wasn't , however, until I recently received an e mail from an Indian reader of my article Ancient Astronauts, that I recalled just how very intriguing these vimanas and, indeed, many other references to space travel and fantastically advanced technology in ancient Indian texts are. To this end, the following piece is intended to take a fresh look at vimanas and, moreover, explore the Indian ancient astronaut connection in general.

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Ancient Indian Vimanas

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you cannot be sirius


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...46419&hl=sirius

I admit I haven't read much on the subject, but I have skimmed some of these texts a time or two. Though I haven't studied them in depth, much of it reads like an episode of Dragon Ball Z. I think I'd put these vimanas in the "ancient authors making sh** up" category.

The what!..maybe this would work better in the ufo file's.

well the vedas the indian texts that these stories come from is dated as far back into ancient history as 1500bce
so it qualifies
its just a shame that the sources for this kind of insider info are always complete fruitcakes.
Like Don Von Daniken

What a skeptical crowd! It makes sense to me that the ancient people of India had jet aircraft and atomic weapons.


The authors had quite an imagination. This was the first sci-fi.

Indeed. So it's as likely that the ancient Indians had spaceships and nuclear weapons as it is that in the 1960s we had warp drive and transporters for beaming down to planets....

Why do people assume that everything written in the past was fact, even though most of what is written today is complete fiction?

I'm getting a stress headache
Did someone say "Gill Harley"

I had to do a search on Gill Harley, and all I got was some freelance web editor from Kent.

aaaaaaaghggggggggggghhhhhhhhh

please no more
thats enough
i don't care what she says you can't date the vedas back to 70,000bce
what are you some kind of nut

As a matter of fact I am, what's your point?

How quaint. Some of the writings of the ancients are taken at face value . . . others are labeled "poppy-c***", depending only on the belief of the reader as to whether or not various things could exist at that time or not, in that person's view.

The imagination wasn't invented until the 1500's AD. So it must be fact. hee-hee

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You're claiming the vedas were written in 1500CE now ?
sure about that ?

Of course not. My "joke" was saying that anything written before 1500ad is fact. (uhhh... haha?)

Can i just say Whipnet that you see a nice enouigh guy but that site you posted is pretty diabolical

sorry

Al Gore invented the imagination.

Why do I keep seeing DJ Quinn and Marduk in all these strange places? Haven't you guys got anything better to do?
Siriusly there presumably was this character who lived during WWII, I think was a German-Austrian (although I'm not entirely clear on that) who was a game warden. Name Viktor Schauberger, I think. There is a lot of material on this guy, he was supposed to have figured out how fish swim up waterfalls, and used the principles to make plows that work better, new ways of floating logs down flumes, and Yea Verily, constructed a flying saucer for the Nutsies. I've seen things purporting to be photos of said saucers, and they bear a remarkable resemblance to the drawings of the vimanas, which seem to bear a remarkable resemblance to some of the UFO photos going around. Those vimanas were supposed to be the enemy of the Atlantean vailx, or something, if I remember right.
To use a quote from "Independence Day": "I got to get me one of these!" as he flew out the launch tunnel.
Whoopeeeeeee!!!
But who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men?

let me guess, the photos you saw had swastikas on them ?
they were faked
NEXT

Viktor is a fascinating character. Envirenmentaly freindly energy? What a radical concept.
Anyway, I love mad geniuses like him and Tesla.

No Marduk, they didn't have the s word on them. I'm not entirely convinced they were real photos either, but I have to keep an open mind. After all, those Nutsies were doing things more strange than us allies, weren't they? That's the problem with us crazies (while NOT putting myself in the category of Nutsies), you can never tell what kind of nonsense we'll come up with.
DJ, I've read some literature on that guy (more interested in the discovery than the individual, but that's one of my faults). One of the things was a research paper (I'd need to look the paper up for authors; I have it, but don't know where) on fluid flow in a spiral confinement. In that paper, they graphed the flow resistance vs velocity and at one point the resistance dipped below zero. Now that's fascinating: perhaps he was onto something!!
And yes, me too: Tesla has always been something of a hero to me, I guess simply because he let himself go wherever his mind took him. Wonderful inventor.
How about Bucky Fuller?
Ah, but I get off the thread.
Read somewhere, I think in one of the David Hatcher Childress books, that there is evidence in India that there may have been nuclear-based destruction. According to some interpretations of Ramayana (supposedly a historical doc; no opinion, open to question) these explosions were due to a battle between vailx and vimana.
Wish I knew.

Oh that childress stuff
he claimed that at the end of the last century two archaeologists unearthed a bunch of skeletons that were highly radioactive
thing is
the two professors turned out not to exist
and we had no way of measuring radiation when this claim was made
in other words
its rubbish

Actually, the one that I read was during the 20th century, obviously did have means of measuring radiation, the bones were not highly radioactive but the calculations (presumably)showed half life radiation indications consistent with the use of nukes at Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Some of Childress might well be rubbish; however, I have seen and examined some of the items he has mentioned in the books I have; those things exist, and as such, are not rubbish. To classify all that someone does as rubbish is a standard trick of the "educated" masses, wherein their opinions are all that matters, IS rubbish.
Childress' ideal is not necessarily to disseminate facts; it is to ask questions and cause questions to be asked. In my reading of him, I recall very few, if any, statements as "the way it was" or anything like that. However, he mentions pyramids in Mexico, pyramids in Wisconsin, and quite a number of other "unexplained" or "ignored" items. I have seen the conical structure with the lava flow, I am a PADI open water diver and have seen the pyramids in Rock Lake. Among other things, but those two are very impressive.
I make no judgements on India or her past. I do make judgements on things like this: vimanas presumably used vortex energy in some unknown way. Viktor's principles were used by a fellow in our midwest to construct a wind turbine, and it is capable of 100 kW in a 10 mph wind. Schauberger presumably used vortex energy, also in some way. And we know that a tornado can lift a semi weighing 80,000 pounds. If one works out a class 5 tornado wind speed of 300 mph, and the side and cross-sectional area of that truck (48 ft trailer), I think you'll find that the pressures of 300 mile winds won't quite do what the tornado does, as in lift the thing a couple hundred feet straight up in the air). And a tornado is a vortex.
But since I wasn't physically living 30 millenia ago, I don't really know about vimanas.

Childress in that case was reporting what he had heard
he did specify the names of two professors of archaeology who later ceased to exist
and he did specify end of the 19th century when geiger counters didn't
i've heard this story over and over
it has been totally debunked
but hey
i know that wont stop you mentioning again at some other place
so you carry on
what use are facts in cases where personal belief are inportant.
I suppose the fact that compared to the rest of the world the Indians were still in the stone age when this nuking is supposed to have happened is irrelevant too

Marduk can you provide link or books which gives scientific evidence that Vedas were written around 1500bce

Why do you take it for granted that everything weird in ancient texts is just story telling? Agreed that it's difficult to decipher the actual ancient facts from the narrations, there are language barriers and also the poets have their unique style of describing things, but that does not mean that everything depicted are just stories.

It will be easier to understand bimanas, if you imagine these things as ancient versions of zeppelins rather than aeroplanes with jet engines.

What is really interesting is that there is reference of time dilation due to space travel! I have read it, the story goes like this -Gods took a brave king to fight for them in heaven and when he returns to earth a great amount of time has passed , not only all of his relatives are dead, centuries have passed in the meanwhile.

Also there is very life like descriptions of atomic explosions in ancient Indian texts and it's really hard for someone to cook such fictional accounts in the any pre atom bomb era.

I am an Indian and visited many places described in these ancient epics Ramayana and Mahabharata and I have no doubt that these are not just fictions they are like historical commentaries.

When I was a child I was skeptical about these stories and about mysticism in general(these epics are connected to Indian mysticism) but when I grew up and had strange experiences with strange people, my blanket skepticism started to vanish slowly and though even now one cannot make me beleive just anything or everything, I have learnt to accept the reality which seems to be stanger than fiction.

I'm going to have to read that book by Schauberger. Sounds like some very iteresting fluid dynamics principles. I do think I've come across his story before in some book about vortexes.

I also am very intruiged by ancient technology. I've read that story too, about the radioactive skeletons, I'll have to look for that book. Unfortunatly, most of my books are still in boxes from my last move and in storage.

Marduk, I won't comment any more on the nuclear stuff at this point; I can't even remember where I read that, so... However, other publications indicate 1)there is evidence in Britain that there was high heat damage to certain coastal castles; 2) a layer of fused glass-like sands were uncovered somewhere on the Euphrates. Don't know where those came from; have you heard of these, and what when where?
When the sciences wear blinders (in most cases), then it is up to those who read and ask questions to clear the way for science to eventually come to sense. In my field, that's how I made a good living: asking questions (mainly of myself), then coming up with engineering solutions that were "impossible". Personally, I really don't much care what other people think: I still ask questions; most of the time there aren't answers there from the scientific community, merely conundrums and the avoidance of direct answers. So, Marduk, go on thinking that science in whatever form has the answers. That's your choice; but it's really not a good idea, historically, to downplay those who disagree with science; those people are, in the main, responsible for the way you live today. For myself, I don't blindly accept what science says; and that is why, when I was in industry, my price was met, and many things now taken for granted even exist. My motto was more 'How can I do this' than 'that can't be done because'.
DJ, I'm not sure what Schauberger wrote. What I have read is that after WW2 a group of Americans persuaded him to come to Texas and possibly sell them his technology; which he did, and he died some months (?) thereafter. Supposedly the technology was buried. There is some possibility that one may gain some insight by examining Tesla's turbine, as the fluid path within that thing is spiral, and what Schauberger did was to spin fluid. Also, fire hose nozzles (in America) are now generally configured to spin the water (it seems to go farther if spiralling), and certain entrainment pumps also work better if the fluid is spiralled. Sounds like you're in a similar situ, all my stuff is sitting in storage 200 miles from here.
Mystic, there is enough weirdness in the world (physically and psychically) to keep us busy trying to understand for the next thousand years. For myself, I've always been a 'scientist', since approximately age 6; unfortunately, as life progressed, I came to understand that not everything is explicable in scientific terms (such as being twice dead, and what I experienced during those episodes). Seems to me that early civilizations, perhaps long prehistorical, were philosophically more competent than we: their orientation may have been more encompassing than ours.
All we can do is study it all till we find answers (assuming there are answers to be found).

1)there is evidence in Britain that there was high heat damage to certain coastal castles; 2) a layer of fused glass-like sands were uncovered somewhere on the Euphrates. Don't know where those came from; have you heard of these, and what when where?
1. The damage is from the construction process
stones piled loosely in a frame of wood soaked in oil
the wood is lit the fire burns hot the rocks vitrify and fuse into a solid structure, hey presto solid wall with no cement needed, cos they didnt have it anyway
2) Yes that was the sinai desert, it was caused by a meteorite impact a long long time ago. The colour comes from the copper nickel object that burned up the sand
later new sand blew over the blast zone covering them up
Any other mysteries you want answered correctly just you let me know

Okay, those two are reasonable enough till further evidence. Now, how did that guy build the Coral Castle?

the guy that built the coral castle Ed Lehrskin, worked himself to death
he hadn't heard of wally wallington
http://www.fungod.com/coppermine/displayim...album=15&pos=46
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Why do you take it for granted that everything weird in ancient texts is just story telling?
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Well most wierd things in modern texts are just storytelling - or do you think Harry Potter really does fly round the Scottish Highlands on a broomstick? That HG Well's War of the Worlds is a true historical record of what actually happened? And Indian Jones did find the Ark of the Covenant.....

Almost all of texts that contained secrets of ancient science are no longer around, but organizations such as the Freemasons who claim to have retained some of these ancient secrets are.
The library at Alexandria contained the largest collection.
The Knights Templar purportably excavated a few documents that contained vastly important ancient scientific secrets from underneath the Temple of Solomon during their excavations there after the 1st crusade.
Most of these were destroyed during the inquisition and persecution of the Templars,, but a few fragnments remained and were preserved by escaping Templars, many of them wound up in Scotland, and they were they became foundatios of Freemasonery and the Royal Society.
Men like Isaac Newton and Robert Boyle used this ancient knowledge in their studies and as a foundation for their discoveries, or should we say re-discoveries.

"Almost all of texts that contained secrets of ancient science are no longer around"
nope
you're just reading them wrong is all.
know what i mean Andy

Sacred geometry? The gothic cathedral arcitecture as alchemical textbooks? Allegories built into ancient sites? Coded texts?

You are right Marduk, the clues are all around us.

It's like trying to figure out the last down word in the cross word puzzle, Sometime's you just don't see how it could fit.

Helps if you have the clues all nicely numbered in date order

The most weird things are definitely not only in the modern fairytales...that is just an insignificant part of modern literature, if you consider those things that you don't consider to be weird but maybe as weird anyway to somepeople who belong to some totally different civilisations: the television, speakers, telephones, spacecrafts and satellites, electric bulbs or CFLs, cars, tuberail...almost anything and everything that you take for granted in your day-to-day life. And what about quantum theories and relativistic physics in todays sacred texts of science?
I should elabolate a little bit more why I made that statement..... the occult/blackart/esp,etc kind of weird things in these ancient texts look like fairytales today right? When I was a child these things appeared like fairytales to me and I was as much a skeptic as a mainstream scientist.
Now I know (please don't ask me the details) that almost all these occult/spiritual weird things are true. When more than half of the fairytale turns out to be true before my own eyes, I just cannot laugh off the remaining.

if fairy tales are coming true for you then you need a shrink

p.s. tell goldilocks not to eat the porridge
its a dead giveaway

Ha, Next were gonna hear how King Solomon Rode around in his heavenly Chariot! Or how two flying disks stoped Alexander the greats army from advancing anymore into india! Or how the indian text on making Vimanas is so detailed to the extend on what to eat at high altitudes! They were probably just guessing on what happens at high altitude flying, what to eat, how to use mirrors as weapons...so forth. I bet thats what people will think in a thousand years to come when reading startrek...

Maybe we should start listening to the "Lemurian Fellowship". As far as I can tell thats were all the stories on ancient technological advanced civilizations spawn from....in that case, lets all go to Mt. Shasta and mingle with the Ancestors of Atlantis and Lemuria!

-Mateo

Lemuria ? it never existed

Lemuria is the name of a hypothetical Lost Land variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its 19th century origins lie in the geological theory of catastrophism, but since then it has been adopted by Occult writers, as well as the Tamil people of India.

Accounts of Lemuria differ regarding most of its specifics. However, all share a common belief that the continent existed in pre-history but sank beneath the ocean as a result of geological change.

Scientists today regard sunken continents as physical impossibilities, given the Theory of Isostasy.


Scientific Origins
The name Lemuria was first coined in 1864 by the geologist Philip Sclater in an article titled "The Mammals of Madagascar" in The Quarterly Journal of Science. Puzzled by the presence of lemurs in both Madagascar and India, but not in Africa or the Middle East, Sclater proposed the two were once part of a larger continent, which he named Lemuria.

Sclater's theory was hardly unusual for his time. Many hypothetical submerged land bridges and continents were proposed during the 19th century, in order to account for the distribution of species. The rise of Darwinism led scientists to seek to trace the diffusion of species from their points of evolutionary origin, and (prior to the acceptance of continental drift) scientists frequently invented submerged land masses in order to account for populations of land-based species separated by barriers of water.

As Lemuria gained some acceptance within the scientific community, it frequently appeared in the works of other scholars. Ernst Haeckel, a German Darwinist, proposed Lemuria as an explanation for the absence of "missing link" fossil records. Locating the origins of the human species on this lost continent, he claimed the fossil record could not be found because it had sunk beneath the sea.

Other scientists hypothesized that Lemuria had extended across parts of both the Indian and Pacific oceans, explaining distributions of species across Asia and the Americas.


Blavatsky's Lemuria
Lemuria entered the lexicon of the Occult through the works of Madame Blavatsky, who claimed in the 1880s to have been shown an ancient, pre-Atlantean Book of Dzyan by the Mahatmas. Within Blavatsky's complex cosmology, Lemuria was occupied by a "Third Root Race," which was sexually hermaphroditical, mentally undeveloped and spiritually more pure than the current "Fifth Root Race."

After the subsequent creation of mammals, some Lemurians turned to bestiality. The gods, aghast at the behavior of these "mindless" men, sank Lemuria in to the ocean and created a "Fourth Root Race" (endowed with intellect) on Atlantis.


Lemuria and Mount Shasta
In 1894, Frederick Spencer Oliver published A Dweller on Two Planets, which claimed that survivors from a sunken continent called Lemuria were living in or on Mount Shasta in northern California. The Lemurians lived in a complex of tunnels beneath the mountain and occasionally were seen walking the surface dressed in white robes.

This belief has been repeated by such individuals as the cultist Guy Warren Ballard in the 1930s who formed the I AM Foundation.


Other Appearances
In a section of the late Mayan period Madrid Codex that is sometimes called the Troano Codex, fanciful archaeologists in the days before Mayan glyphs had been translated thought they were able to interpret illustrations as "records" of a continent in the Pacific, destroyed by volcanic activity. Supposedly, a similar legend has been translated from unspecified "Sanskrit tablets" that describe a continent called Rutas.

The continent of Mu imagined by Augustus Le Plongeon (1826–1908) and James Churchward is possibly a permutation of ideas about what Lemuria might have been.

Lemuria is also a mysterious fog-shrouded land in the Nintendo Game Boy Advance games Golden Sun and Golden Sun: The Lost Age. It also appears as Mu in the Super Nintendo Game Illusions of Gaia.

The metal band Bal-Sagoth makes references to Mu, Lemuria, and Atlantis in their fantasy lyrics and backstory.

Lemuria is also the name of a region of the online game Nationstates, formed by exiles from several other areas.


Kumari Kandam and Lemuria
Kumari Kandamhas often been compared and identified with Lemuria.

According to Tamil Tradition, the Dravidians originally came from a submerged island Kumarikhandam in the south of India. The Epics Shilappadikaram and Manimekhalai describe the submerged city of Puhar.

At Mahabalipuram, near Chennai, submerged ruins have been found in the ocean.


Lemuria and its connection to reptilian beings
In reptilian conspiracy literature, a sunken Pacific continent (usually styled as Lemuria or Mu) is sometimes posited as the homeland of a reptilian race of creatures, often identified with Dragons or Nagas. Various bits of myth and folklore are pointed to in support for this, such as the Cambodian Naga traditions. Modern claims of Australian aborigines sighting "dinosaur-like" creatures are also often viewed as evidence.

The earliest attestation of such notions in modern literature seems to have occured in the works of H.P. Blavatsky, notably in The Secret Doctrine (1888), where she writes of "Dragon-men" who once had a mighty civilization on a Lemurian continent, till their rampant use of black magic brought about the end of their civilization, and their continent sank. Blavatsky in turn claims to have gotten this information from The Book of Dzyan. However, many consider that Blavatsky invented the Book herself. Blavatsky believed that the terms "Dragon-men" or "Serpent-men" used to describe the Lemurian beings in the Book of Dzyan were symbolic, intended to symbolize their advanced knowledge and magical powers.

Another early occurance of the idea seems to be in the Alley Oop (1932) comic-strip, where lands named Moo and Lem (adapted from Mu and Lemuria respectively) are presented as dinosaur-infested lands.

http://www.answers.com/lemuria

All I can say is that you sincerely try some meditation (and don't hope to get results too soon) and fairy tales will be coming true for you also . Fairy tale is not a big deal really. The problem is,for meditaton to grow, the ground has to be prepared very carefully and painstakingly and it can be done only under the guidance of a real master .
Meditation makes you more and more aware/alert/conscious and the person who is aware/conscious don't need any shrinks because life is fairy tale to them.

lol
you're preaching to the converted
i have been mediating for years
i use it to draw power before i heal and read auras.
its also useful for contacting the dead.

What stops King Solomon from riding a nice looking indegenously designed balloon?

Have you read the Mahabharata? It's so down to earth (like say "The Godfather") and practical in depicting human behaviour (it's relevant even today) that if you read it you will be convinced it's a historical account. Much research has been done regarding it's historical validity and I have watched in Discovery channel the results of a most recent breakthrough. The exact location and the probable period of the kingdom of Krishna, the hero of Mahabharata has been found, according to this research.
There is an event in Mahabharata that depicts Lord krishna "hiding the sun" with his disc shaped weapon and dramatically changing the course of war. It has been interpreted by scientists that a solar eclipse occured at that time and that particular eclipse has been identified.
The time of the solar eclipse and the period of the Kingdom that I mentioned above matches exactly.
In Mahabharata there are descriptions of atomic explosions(atleast an explosion in the same magnitude). It goes like this, "a fireball with the intensity of a thousand suns appeared....".
Also the same Lord Krishna is shown to be dealing with the King suffering from time dilation that I have spoken about earlier.

Then you missed the possibility that as well as describing astrological events like eclipses it was also describing other celestial events like meteorite strikes
the period in history that you're talking about was one when the Indians didn't even have bronze. You think they were up to refined plutonium ?
the time of year that this event was pinned down to happens to coincide with the taurid meteor shower. One of them got through that time

and the only evidence you can quote is from a religious book
go and try building an ark from the precise dimensions given in the Noah story
you'll soon see what thousands of years of religious fervour does to a real account.
everything else we know about history points to the conclusion that this was not a man made occurence
EVERYTHING
if all we have to go on is the words of a people who didn't understand what was happening then i don't think that evidence is up to much.
How would the maharabta describe a machine gun ?
a weapon of the gods that spits magical fire ?
and from that we would conclude that they were in contact with the gods that used magical weapons that shoot flames.....
Doesn't bear out no matter how much we want it to
personal belief and science don't mix
unless you're personal belief is science it will hamstring you every time

"Preaching" and "converting" are dirty words to me. i am ostracised by my conservative society for being a rebel.
Anyway did you have any master?

Only the deity that i pray to
its a little obvious which one that is though

Thanks for the meteorite theory. The "god" who is said to be charged the supposed nuclear weapon did not belong to the general indian society.

do you mean the vedic Shiva or the harappan god Rudra who he was based on.
The Harappan Rudra wasn't part of the society that wrote the vedas or the mhaharabta. The harappan culture had died out long before the vedas were written
does that answer your question ?

Ha, c'mon...a balloon? Then how on earth would he get to a place in a day that took 3 months on foot? I mean its not like the "Kebra Nagast" clearly says that "The king... and all that obeyed his word, flew on a wagon without pain and suffering, and without sweat or exhaustion, and traveled in one day a distance which took three months to traverse." (on foot) I think you may need to rethink the balloon if your following this view. But then again...perhaps the winds were amazingly great all the time in those day...Whats next? I bet the chinese prince and his legendary flying chariots a vimana too. I have an Arabian flying carpet! Anyone want one?

-Mateo