If a NWO plan existed it would take a minimum of 20 years (without interuption) to be even remotely successful. If that is indeed the case here are your responsible parties

Kennedy, John F.
1961-63
Oh but wait Prescott Bush had him killed lol
Johnson, Lyndon
1963-69 Completely abusrd since he did nothing while in Office
Nixon, Richard
1969-74 Now I might buy this as Nixon was power hungry enough but where is his support?
Ford, Gerald
1974-77 No time!
Carter, Jimmy
1977-81 right a peanut farmer who couldnt get us out of hostage crisis in Iran that is laughable!
Reagan, Ronald
1981-89 He had teh brains to start but where would he begin as he had a Democratic congress to contend with!
Bush, George H.W.
1989-93 Oh wait he asked Daddy for advice lol
Clinton, William J.
1993-2001 Well this means that Clinton is part of plan and if Bush is part of NWO plan so is Clinton whihc makes him a killer as well according to theroies of NWO I have read here
Bush, George W.
2001-present Make up your mind either Bush is a brainless moron or a genius planning on ruling the world.

As you can see this NWO plot lacks support and time to be what its claimed to be. I might add I dont doubt there is NWO group but for them to be as powerful as suggested on this forum that means the above mentione dperson had to be involved as this kind of take over requires support and time. any interuption if sequence would set things back and whole preocess would have to restart sorry cant buy the NWO theory although I do agree there are NWO groups out there but they are few and lack support to be even close to pulling off some of the things they have been blamed for on this forum


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Why then, would it take 20 years? Is that just your estimate?

The premise is false. Therefore the argument is moot. How can one say it takes ..x..amount of years to do such and such....besides:

The New World Order was one sentence in a quote by Bush Sr. How it got from there to the conspiracy theory dialogues is beyond me...

This explain's it all. I can see the NWO plot as it unfolds now.....NOT

i always thought it was new WORLD order, so what does USA politics prove? do americans always think the world revolves around THEM?

20 years was an estimate I threw out there this would be no easy task and with power changing every four years that might be a conservative stimate

The Presidents are just puppets answering to the money men who put them in power. So any NWO plan would not matter who the Pres. is, just that they follow orders from their owners.

This was the absolute worst attempt I have seen to prove their is no plan to create a new world order. I'm starting to question your intelegence with this one.

Countless world leaders have spoke about the new world order, and yet we are the crazy ones?

You offered no evidence beyond what you think. The only reason you don't believe in the new world order is because you are not supposed to know about it.

Here's just one example the new world order is reality, but only talked about by the establishment with in the governement. They even have guns with new world order printed on them, that only go to the top 15 people in the governement.

Which stiil says every president for at least the last 20 years (see list) and teh Congress were all part of plot REALLY!? and you swallow that?

Here's a point to consider..I've often heard the NWO, is doing a lousy job taking over if they don't own the Earth by now after all this time..This is a good point, but let's expand on that..Most people counter that with the argument that they already have taken over, or that their plans are set on a vast time scale. They'll quickly tell you just how secretive and effective this group is, and how their Byzantine plots are almost unstoppable..
My question would be this..If they are indeed so damn effective, why have we heard of them at all? Why in the World would President's be using the line in speeches? Does that seem intelligent or effective for concealing your plans?
Why become so notorious that Wrestling Federations use the name to market performers?
Logically, none of it makes sense. You aren't a very good secret organization if everyone knows who you are..

If you are a puppet you don't need to know more than what you are told anyway. They aren't around long enough to be part of the long term plan, just the ones in charge are. The Presidents are not much more than "useful idiots", along with many others who haven't a clue as to what they are being used for, or are paid well enough to look the other way. Along with even more of the population that don't even know as much as the lackeys of the various Gov't Agencies.

i disagree--the best place to hide is right under everyones noses! also the globalists "have" kept their agenda a secret- the fact that there is a wwf group with their master plan as a team name and nobody has caught on prooves it!! also they use a tactic that deals with the concept of "the bigger the lie the easier it is to convince someone of its nonexistence"-so in reality with every event they perpetrate on a gullible society the more power their "secret" strategy gains--yes their plan was complete the day it was put into motion--it is marked by the day the federal reserve issued notes backed by debt in 1776--so yes every president america has ever had has been "in" on it--brace yourselves for an american hiroshima as the end game nears

Well there is a huge list if you use my 20 year mark which by my own admission could be a conservative estimate

everything is a conspiracy to turbo. and if you dont beleive the things he beleives or says then your just a puppet or ignorant.

Well then i must be the dumbest person on the planet, cause i don't believe any of this. It's just like Falco said, why would a group who want's to take over the world, Run around and let everybody know! If they are that dumb i doubt they are smart enough to take over!

its not them who are dumb... its the general public... this is impossible to argue agaisnt. accept the answer.

alot of people, and i mean overwelming majority, just dont care what is happening outside of the american bubble. and you gotta be into websites like these to even catch wind of any information about the NWO.

I mean, September 11, 1990 -- President Bush [Senior] gives a speech to a joint session of the U.S. Congress entitled, "Toward A New World Order".


11 years later... http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=48116

Ok so because Bush Sr. used New World Order in a speech thats evidence lol. In order for this NWO to take root it would take a great deal of time as already explained here are just some current examples of how things could have gone another way. This supports a non NWO plot because too much margin problems existed
1. Campaign 2000 Cain nearly defeats Bush
2. Gore nearly defeats Bush
If the evil Bush's are part of this NWO you would think they would have had a better plan lol

since you guys dont ever take the time to read up on any of this stuff you have no clue what these conspiracy theorist people are talking about. I have read up on it and dont really believe it %100 . But what they say could be possible so I keep an open mind about the whole issue. Neither Bush JR or Senior are the ones who are doing this they are only tools the real ones use. It wouldnt have made any difference if Bush or Kerry got elected the outcome would still be the same.

umm... yeah. that doesnt seem too unreasonable. these guys dont try to deny NWO's existance. It is the Illuminati that is debated. NWO is real. ask your senator.




1. nearly but... still won.
2.nearly but... still won.

i dont understand your point. or your position against my point.

they are ironically both masons. but are you saying they are being tricked?

I am saying that according to what i have read both of them are under the influence of the enlightened ones. I used to think Bush was just plain bad. I have recently changed my mind after observing him on tv it seems like he truly believes that he is doing nothing but good things. He needs to stop listening to that little devil on his shoulders by the name of Karl R.

Dunno about both masons. But it is said, they are Cousins, From the same fraternity outta Yale university, 2 years apart, called the Skull and Crossbones.

Dunno about both masons. But it is said, they are Cousins, From the same fraternity outta Yale university, 2 years apart, called the Skull and Crossbones.
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had no clue. im feeling helpless now.

A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D.

Arranged and Edited by John Loeffler

In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of "conspiracy" pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed.

The standard attack maintains that the so-called "New World Order" is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups.

The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media.
The term "New World Order" has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda.

For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs. Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an "open conspiracy," as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open

Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928).

CONTINUED @...: http://suetheterrorists.net/page57.html

I agree that you can't prove that it's not in power or doesn't exists. But we can prove it does. Just look at the dollar bill. NWO establishment has been around since Goerge Washington. For all the presidents have had a deal with it. Not that it was G.W.'s attempt to take over the world, but see NWO was not made up at first and is not at this time to take over the world. But rather to better the world. Whereelse, when the earth is in time of need and the end is drawing near, NWO will for sure form teaming up with the other world leaders and presidents to form a One World Order which will also compromise of a One World Religion in which everyone will be made to follow the religion and will have no choice but to follow the OWO or starve. Just think of it-microchips are already replacing what is soon to be a cashless society and is replacing medic bracelets. NWO will be tooken into full affect along with OWR-just not now but soon.

If an nwo tried to gain complete control over all the people of the world total anarchy would break loose.

That's what I think too. Imagine the amount of military in the western world and other places that would rebel if it knew that it was being engineered by a sinister organisation to dominate and surpress people in its' own country. There are a LOT of good, upstanding, loving and moral soldiers in an army as well as the "bad eggs". And that goes for senior officers too People will always fight against injustice, and if the supposed NWO ever become public or the mainstream armies ever get a whiff of what if going to happen to their countries, family and friends... there would be chaos. Not to mention the moment the British press got a whiff of it, it would be all over the world in minutes... our press is pretty honest and uncensored compared to the USA press... if there's anything going on when the time comes we'll know about it fast... All I can say is the NWO had better have a damn good plan and a damn huge army... because they're going to need it.

Until this time I will continue to think what I have in the past... that 99% of conspiracy theories are cooked up by people who need to create these things to give them some aim in life... and the ones who claim to know "whats really going on" and call other people "sheeple" or "brainwashed" are just paranoid people with little else better to do than worry about these things. I will worry about it when I hear something other than rantings on obscure websites.

You are right. Althougth most wont' be aware of whats really happeing behind the scenes, they allready have plans when total anarchy breaks lose. All they do is declare martial law, put people in camps and put in a military form of rule and law. Goodbye constitution. Dont worry, they will use false flag attacks to make you justify the police state, you will think they are doing it for your saftey.

Remember my thread about the plan to implement martial law in the near future.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=48287

But, for the new WORLD order theory (notice the word world) to be true, they have to take over the entire planet. So if every military force on the planet is under the same government, who would they claim we are fighting against? So how would that work? I dont see any of these things happening in the future. Ever.

NWO

everyone knows they sucked at wrestling...

^ What was the point of this post?

Who are they claiming we are fighting right now? A country? No. A rogue band of terrorists who are claimed to owe no allegiance to any country. When you fight a bogeyman like Bin Laden, or al-Qaeda, you can "fight" against terrorism forever. The Bush gang and others are already saying the "war on terror" will last decades, at minimum. If you don't have an enemy, it's easy to create one, just like has been done in the past, and just like is being done in the present.

And they're still no closer to achieving their goals? I mean, the closest to a world govt or world army would be the UN - which is an embarassing disaster, no better than the League of Nations before it. Meanwhile, Islam aside (could they be the the real NWO?) organised religion is collapsing and the power of The Church in global decline. So no help there. And if the real and immediate threat of full nuclear attack by the Soviets failed to united the West under a NWO, I fail to see how a few itinerate muslims are going to.

And don't forget, there's more to the world than the USA - in fact there are more seperate sovereign nations now than at any time in history.

Sound to me like the plan for world domination is going seriously awry.....

Panther, posts consisting of just a smilie or a single word are considered spam, since they really dont contribute to the thread. Usually these posts are just deleted, but i thought i'd leave you this note to let you know.

How can you say this? Our troops die every day and you claim that we have no enemies... Whos shooting them then? What would you call those suicide bombers who are killing innocent citizens of Iraq if not terrorists? Patriots? Perhaps this boogyman the Bush administration made up is killing them.

It's not a country the wars are 'officially' against. In Iraq, it was supposed to be against Saddam and his WMD's - so Saddam is out, WMD's weren't even there. So after that, who's left that they are fighting? Not the mighty Iraqi Army - it's the "insurgents" - but who are they? Why are they fighting the US troops? How come they remain undefeated, battling the mighty US military, with no victory even remotely in sight for the US troops?

Sounds like Vietnam redux, doesn't it? That was officially a war against Communism, not the country. What about Afghanistan? That wasn't a war against the country, it was against Bin Laden and the Taliban. The Taliban was removed, Bin Laden wasn't found - guess he "slipped out" to another country. But nothing's changed for the better in Afghanistan. Why are there any forces still there? They pose no threat to the US. Neither does Iraq.

These foreign nations have the right to be left alone by the US if they haven't attacked the US. And they haven't. Never have. So the wars are created against bogeymen like Saddam and Bin Laden, officially. But they obviously aren't in reality, because when the bogeymen are gone, the US remains in those countries.

There are conflicts within nations all the time, in Africa for example. But that's their own wars, not ours. It's not a nice thing, but it's not right for us to attack them and impose our laws upon them. And it's not right for Americans to die fighting in their wars, either.

Well the British army spent decades 'fighting' the IRA........ Isn't the situation similar, albeit with the insurgents in Iraq far more numerous (but presumably not financed by Americans ) ?

Turbo if we just packed up and left right now, it would make things a hundred times worse. Militarily Iraq is not ready to take care of itself. It would fall into a civil war, and we'd just end up with another saddam in power. It is completely neccesary for us to stay at this point.

Bush didn't just make up that there were weapons of mass destruction. He was TOLD there were by idiot intelligence officers. It isn't his fault. And even then, how do you know there are no WMD's? Have you skimmed through the barron desserts that span all across Iraq? Has anyone? If they have the capability to completely bury aircraft in their desserts, I'd think they could bury something like that.

Also, how do you figure we are imposing our laws on them? Notice how they are writing their own constitution/making their own laws and government. Oh, how terrible of the U.S. to go there and allow them to create their own government. AND to remove a dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. Its simply awful of us.

I sure am glad that back in the WWII days we didn't just say, hey, the Natzi's are Europe's problem.

right like we didnt put him in power and give him biological and chemical weapons in the first place--so many people have been fooled into believing war is a natural occurance of politics when in reality the only way a revolution can be won is with words and the law--thats why justice is depicted with a blindfold and a scale

War is just another form of diplomacy. I'm not sure who said that, but it does fit.

While I do not agree with the invasion of Iraq, I fully supported the invasion of Afghanistan. The Taliban, the seat of 'government' in that nation, openly and publicly announced that the organization known as Al Quida, was welcome to their protection as heros of the jihad against the west. They arrogantly proclaimed to 'fight to the death' rather than surrender these criminals to ANY authority.

Whether or not you believe it, the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon were attacked. Innocent civilians died, for no good purpose.

All this bullshirt about "NWO" and secret governments is just paranoid delusion. If, as some claim, the "NWO" has been in existance since before the formation of the United States, then it is the most inept organization possible. 200+ years of 'manipulating' media and other governments, AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED THEIR GOALS????? Geez, what are they? The Keystone Kops of conspiracies?

People seem to always to find the most sinister motives and reasons for the things that occur. Today on the Subway, I saw a guy wearing a t-shirt that said: "New York World Capitol" It also had four pictures of land marks and tourist attractions.

It is a sign of "The Conspiracy", or just pride in ones city?

I'm sure I known what the theorists will choose.

As someone once said to me: Always eliminate the rational explanations, before jumping to improbable conclusions.


good journey

I'm starting to feel like a teacher in a room full of blind and deaf students. No matter how many times we show quotes of world leader speaking of creating a new world order, some still think we made it up the whole thing. Maybe if the talked about the new world order in television shows you would wake up. The reason you don't know about it is because the citizens are living a lie. You can't see beyond the surface. The new world order is a one world government. Do you really think the president runs this country?

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day":
--Theodore Roosevelt, April 19, 1906

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, (first Prime Minister of England), in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault."
--CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974
issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs

"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use this (9-11) disaster to carry out ... a new world order."
--Gary Hart, at a televised meting organized by the CFR in Washington, D.C. Sept 14.

"The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor" (2000)
-- Project for a New American Century http://www.newamericancentury.org




Is William Kristol who planned the wars in the middle east crazy when he says they are trying create the new world order?

No you are, for not informing yourself. Why don't you learn the plan for the new American century (PNAC) that they have planned. Maybe things would start to make sense.

Your no teacher!

How do you enter a room with a head that big?

Your arrogance is only matched by your delusions.

If you wanted to give a speech and convey the message that you were going to shake things up, or change the way things are working, how would you phrase it?

Please, no lectures, my blind eyes and deaf ears cannot process it.

Just answer my question in the form of a sound bite for the media.


good journey

Right - we will stay in Iraq until things are peaceful and pleasant, and all the various factions that have been killing each other for centuries become best buddies. Got a timeframe for when that will happen? You can round your estimate off to the nearest decade, or century. We can make projections on future casualties, based on the data so far. It's a very ugly chart, and I don't think it should continue a day longer.

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
Min 23601
Max 26719

Coalition Casualties - 2061 total over 891 days.



First, the WMD's were fabricated by Rumsfeld et al to give a reason to invade Iraq. The "faulty intelligence" excuse is another lie made up to avoid the truth, which is that the Bush admin. is guilty of making it up themselves. If you want a full report, click on this link, it's a pdf file..WMD Report

And, if there are hidden WMD's, why weren't they used by Saddam when he needed them, and could have used them? That is totally illogical, and even Bush and his gang don't have the gall to flog that dead horse on the American public.


No, I notice how the elections are set up with people who are in the good books with the US Gov't, not with candidates they don't give their "seal of approval". As for laws, why do you think they are creating an Iraqi "constitution"? That is an American document, not related to any other country in the Arab world, or to virtually the rest of the world, for that matter.

As for Saddam, Sunofone addressed that issue. He was a US puppet, and was happily supplied with weapons and materials for chemical weapons. And it was all sealed with a hearty and friendly handshake and cheshire cat grin, between Rummy and Saddam.

Turbo- Love that picture of Rummy and Saddam. Awesome!



Here is a sound bite from CNN, talking about the Bilderberg group and the globalist plan for a one world government or new world order. Of course this would never make it on to CNN America, but it was on CNN international.

It literally took about 10 minutes for it to load up and start playing, so be patient, it's well worth it...

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/bilde..._on_meeting.htm


What you skeptics don't realize is that we are not making this stuff up. We are pointing out exactly what world leaders are saying, because American news is so incredibly watered down and sugar coated, you will never know otherwise.

You can thank me later.

Hrm... You are all wrong, the NWO is Wal-Mart

Now thats a theory I can accept lol

OK scooby snack, perhaps you mis-understood my request.

I wasn't asking for comments from government spokesmen, corporate moguls, or media talking heads.

What I wanted was for YOU or any othe theorist here, to compose a part of a speech, stating how you would change the status quo.

Pretend that you are running for President. You want a catchy sound bite for the 6 o'clock news.

How would you phrase a sentence to convince folks to vote for you?

The reason I ask this is because several people here have made a tremendously big deal out of the fact that politicians have used the phrase "a new world order". How would you phrase it?

Please, I am asking you folks to answer the question, directly, without history lessons, or linking to other sources. I am asking YOU.

JP, This is a very good question, I too would like to know the answer to this.. You see many of us here do not believe in the NWO, or the other report's that have been twisted to reflect the view's of those who are anti-american.

The new world order is already in place it will not take over,It already has.

The Priory of zion (1099) and it's extended hand to this day. If you deny the possibility of the allternate then go back to sleep, and believe what you want.

If you can't accept the possiblity, then you can't accept the truth.

WE ARE LIED TO

we are meat puppets.

This has nothing to do with anti amirican ways. this is much bigger. this is about the world.