Dont you think this whole God thing is switched around? I admit I dont know much about this kinda stuff but.. I do know that the devil is the lords of all lies.. Dont you think that he can be God? Like his trying to trick you to go to heaven? And ALOT of people are falling for it? And god is the devil? And heaven is hell, hell is heaven? Just a thought..

many people think that the "god" you are refering to is the great deceiver, the archetype of evil, etc, etc.

Many religions (Zoroasterism comes to mind) believe in a good god who is spiritual and above everything physical and an evil god, the creator of all. Everything physical is supposed to be evil and must be countered by total devotion to the spirtual and the good god.

after all I dont see how this...god is a good being...if you read the bible you find out he is jealous, he go easealy mad, he punish he's people just because of someone who did a mistake....when I read the bible, this god is not what i would call a good god! He is a evil god

Where can I get a bible? I doubt Barnes and Nobles will have one.. And god is an ass than.. He is the superior and he is jealous.. Haha I dont understand why all these people want to be near an ass..

I wonder the same thing. I read things and think, "hmm the Devil is blown up to look a lot worse than he really is." God has done just as many terrible things that the devil has. The Devil's job is to punish sinners, right? How is that evil? Sounds to me like it's his JOB. Sounds to me like he was a disobidient teen who didn't agree with God and somehow ended up getting the crap God didn't accept.

I don't know. Someone help me out on this one?

My point being. God does bad things too.

No. Satanail is prince of assucing angels. His job (and yes, fallen or not, he's still under, and works for God, as all angels falen or not are) is to tempt test and accuse humanity. He's like the undercover cop offering you free Heroin, then putting them in. That's what a fallen angel does.

With free will, which God gave humanity, was a test of devotion through free will in which God said He will 'see who among your race loves or abhors Me'. As for satan, who at that time was already fallen, God had this to say 'There is no one at war with Me', and there is no one who does not submit to His will. Humans, having free will, however, have to chose. Angels, don't have that choice, thus no free will.

Satanail hates, and I can't stress this enough, hates humanity. I his own words, when asked by Adam upon trying to repent, wich through Eve he disrupted, why he did this to them, why he hated them, and what had they ever done to him, he said ' It's because of you I have lost my place with my bretherin' and he will be after humaity (and even angels at one point through his jealousy even of them) for all eternity. Every fallen angel in one way or another, fell because of man. Satanail (or satan) fell because when asked, he refused to worship Adam.

In short, satan don't love you.

To add to that, this whole war, Revelation, beast etc, what do you think it's about? The war in Heaven was satan's demotion where once he could accuse even his own bretherin, angels (Enoch era), and was causing many angels to fall, upon which that was changed and humans became his sole target. The entire underlying reason for this, is to prove man is worse than he, for what he wants, beyond all else, is to return to his place and rank in Heaven, where he once was God's favorite angel, given power over all others. Humans changed that.

i just choose to be on the safe side and stay with god

Where can I get a bible? I doubt Barnes and Nobles will have one.. And god is an ass than.. He is the superior and he is jealous.. Haha I dont understand why all these people want to be near an ass..
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i am still wet behind the ears but i am beyond my years in knowing.
you shouldnt say that,god just punishes people who do wrong,just a easy way to see it. I, as a muslim, belive that every one should suffer for being a traitor to their religion,or doing any thing that god would truly truly dis approve of..(masturbation not included)

that was a good one

Well, thanks for sharing that last cmment with us SF LOL...

Personally...I'm sticking with Jesus and God.

However...let me play 'Devil's Advocate' for a moment...

We all know that history is written by the victorious...so if 'God' won, and 'Lucifer' lost, then who's to know exactly who is who...

just when u thought i was gettin serious i hit u with a joke

but on the real side... i belive that every religion had their prophets and they preached their god, and in the quran they speak of mary and jesus in good ways.
but when it comes to christians, the always good side they mimic satan as their religions enemies, like in some photos satan has a pointy hooked nose ,
took a hit to jews rite there.. man thats rlly messed up


but i think god prevailed in the end,but christians are going to far with this hell stuff

You can get a bibles anywhere. Barns and Nobles has bunches of them and if you look around you can get free ones. You can download them off the internet. Just google "free bible".

I think the christian god and satan are one and the same. He has his dark side and his light side.




I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

-God in Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)

All I can say is if god was real why does he make so many suffer and so many die young.

My thoughts excactly.. Unless the whole shiz was switched around.. See how many fools will fall for the devil "GOD" trick.. Cuz c'mon God would want us to live our lives.. Not all like stricted..

well you have to understand that people are the thing that suffers when a war break outs. god is just here to tell you what to do, and what to do.. he cant come down and help you with your own life. its kinda like good is playing by this rule...
loook but dont touch. yes i am a friggin genius

What does he tell you to do? Kill the other human for not believing like you? How does he speak to you? In an audible voice? Does he phone you? Or does he speak to you within yourself in a voice that sounds much like yourself? Get real!

If you belive in God it's because you've met him face to face, not because your family and friends and country told you so. Stop being gullible and answer for yourself. It's nice to belive in an entity that will take care of you, but I'll tell you, all those that walked along the beach of Sumatra that day all thought the same as you.

Very well stated Silver rain Queen,


To me God can only be known as an experience as my life lived, not through the knowlegde of others or the theorys of bibes, Many confuse expression with experience. Namaste Sheril

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What does he tell you to do? Kill the other human for not believing like you? How does he speak to you? In an audible voice? Does he phone you? Or does he speak to you within yourself in a voice that sounds much like yourself? Get real!

If you belive in God it's because you've met him face to face, not because your family and friends and country told you so. Stop being gullible and answer for yourself. It's nice to belive in an entity that will take care of you, but I'll tell you, all those that walked along the beach of Sumatra that day all thought the same as you.
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youre acting like god caused every war to happen

not sure wut sumatra is one fact i dont like that almost every country that is fighting belives that they are on the good side -_- war is just wrong

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What does he tell you to do? Kill the other human for not believing like you? How does he speak to you? In an audible voice? Does he phone you? Or does he speak to you within yourself in a voice that sounds much like yourself? Get real!

If you belive in God it's because you've met him face to face, not because your family and friends and country told you so. Stop being gullible and answer for yourself. It's nice to belive in an entity that will take care of you, but I'll tell you, all those that walked along the beach of Sumatra that day all thought the same as you.
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youre acting like god caused every war to happen

not sure wut sumatra is one fact i dont like that almost every country that is fighting belives that they are on the good side -_- war is just wrong
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It's obvious to me that you have a language barrier and cannot interpret what I am actually trying to say.

There is No God to cause any wars. Men cause wars.

Sumatra= The place where the eathquaked caused tsuanmi waves killing thousands on the beaches. Most of which, believed in some God that would save them.

Now do you understand me?

But the followers of a goodly number of gods have started wars under the belief that it was what their god(s) wanted them to do. A number of them wrote that their god(s) ordered them to do so. I have often said that I am not in the least afraid of what any god would do, but the followers of God(s) scare me half to death.

Again Larry excellent post I saw a bumper sticker once that said "god save me from your followers" Have you heard of that one??? I to am alittle leary of religious people they beleive some odd stuff, Namaste Sheri

If there is no God, then why do you exist?

The Bible is always referred to when some people search for answers to God and life, but how can you base all your belief or disbelief on a book that was written 3500 years ago? Much of what is written in the Bible does make God out to be a thing to be feared. But that is only because people of that time period thought that every bad thing that happened was from God. We now know that is not true. For example the Tsunami that killed all the innocent people last Dec. was a natural event caused by the shifting plates of the earth. Not by God or by a devil.

Also when bad things happen, like the twin towers event, it was not caused by God but rather by humans. We humans are the reason for all the evil in the world, not God not a devil.

The truth, life is a place we choose to come to for learning things that cannot be learned in the afterlife. For example, how can you really know what pain and suffering is when you are in a place where pain and suffering does not exist? So we choose to come here to experience all that the physical world has to teach us. God does not interfere. However, if you pray to God for assistance, you will be helped eventually. But don't expect to pray for riches and get it.

So our life purpose is to learn and our duty is to be good to one another while we are here. And one very important thing is to understand that we ourselves are responsible for any bad that we create, not a devil.
Don't make a mistake and die with a shameful soul when you have a chance to make a positive difference in the world.

Watzel I dislike being the one to tell you much has not changed as far as Thinking any different from 2000 years ago, The 9/11 tradgedy was on orders from God ask the Muslims??? I do see what you are trying to say but life is not a school as held by some to be true the only meaning life has is the meaning you give it The realm of the relative is dualistic meaning the concepts of good and evil are very real to alot of people ask one of the victims of 9/11, Namaste sheri

But to the point of the thread. God (Jehovah, Yahweh) was considered by Gnostic's as fundamentally evil, jealous, rigid, lacking in compassion, and prone to genocide. The Demiurge "thinks that he is supreme. His pride and incompetence have resulted in the sorry state of the world as we know it, and in the blind and ignorant condition of most of mankind," was what they wrote. This may very well come from the Sumerian mythology, where the most powerful god on Earth was Enlil, who after humans had been created by Enki, the second most powerful god, wanted all humans to perish (the original great flood story). Enki, who had as one symbol a snake, is credited in the mythology with having saved one human family by telling the head of the family that a flood was coming, and told him how to build the boat that saved the family. Enki did this in defiance of Enlil's desires. Needless to say, Gnostics were killed by Christians where ever they were found, and all of their holy books which could be found destroyed. Abraham, patriarch of the Hebrews, came originally from Ur, a major city of Sumer.

ummm the guys thats on his period... this isnt the sub forum that has the scepticism on it but how do u belive we all got here, how did the universe made, how did we get here. you have to belive in god... science cannot explain everything.

So you think that you can say that "you have to believe in god (sic)" and that is the end of it? Foolish statement indeed. I don't have to believe in anything I don't care to believe in.

there are various theories, hypotheses, models, philosophies, etc on these questions and there have been since man was able to think abstractly. the old quest to know... which we still do not have a definitive answer to.



but i don NOT have to believe in gods, goblins, toothfairies, or any of the other more rational hypotheses if i choose not to. when evidence is solid, the answer will be known. until then, yes, science can NOT explain everything. however, attributing it to gods explains nothing.