1. Elves are about as tall as humans.

2. Elves are beautiful.

3. Elves are strong and make fierce warriors.

4. Elves excel in arts (especially music), possess the gift of foreknowledge and can bestow similar gifts upon chosen humans.

5. Dwelling places of Elves are removed from those of humans (e.g. beyond the sea, on islands etc.).

6. Elves possess a speech of their own, distinct from that of humans.

7. Elves and humans can have common children.

Ive never heard of catholics wanting to murder people, only christians murduring people...  
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Ive never heard of catholics wanting to murder people, only christians murduring people...  
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Okay let me tell you the main difference
Christians are the ones that follow the Teachings of Jesus Christ,
and Catholics are the ones that named you as a pagan in the first place.
oh ye of lesser faith
or didn't you know the word "pagan" is a catholic slur
they call me a pagan but I am in fact an old world pantheist.
And catholics have murder down to a fine art.
they call it conversion iirc
they used to do it with swords and big bonfires

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Okay let me tell you the main difference
Christians are the ones that follow the Teachings of Jesus Christ,
and Catholics are the ones that named you as a pagan in the first place.
oh ye of lesser faith
or didn't you know the word "pagan" is a catholic slur
they call me a pagan but I am in fact an old world pantheist.
And catholics have murder down to a fine art.
they call it conversion iirc
they used to do it with swords and big bonfires

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what happened to the real pagan europe? do you still trust the bible version of history?

Pagan is a religion. Many wicca call themselves this.  Here is a link so you can understand, it's kinda like school.

http://www.paganlibrary.com/index1.php
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That is your opinion and your view but i can as sure many people will not agree,! There's many here on this form who claim to be pagen, so call it what you wish, it's not really that big of a deal.  


Here you go lux..http://library.thinkquest.org/28111/ there are more if you need them.
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Who said anything about mixing anything? ok i have to sleep know..I will be back later! 
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Oh everybody just relax.. It's called popular usage. The original meaning of a word becomes corrupted and changed by the public and takes on new meaning. It happens all the time..And while it may not be technically correct, that's the form it exists in, and we deal..
The term "Jews" seems to have been a Roman insult originally, but now even followers of that faith refer to themselves as Jewish rather than Hebrew...That's just life..


Doesn't anybody else find the fact that people were seriously discussing Catholic Elf-Murder just one page ago surreal and disturbing?
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Pagan is a religion. Many wicca call themselves this.  Here is a link so you can understand, it's kinda like school.

http://www.paganlibrary.com/index1.php
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Well it's really a catholic slur, but it is a words that was highjacked some time ago. Now when you hear it, it's meant toward a type of religion.
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Nice try at the Aliens are our forebears crap,
but pagan comes from the latin paganus and m,eans country dweller.
it doesn't refer to outer space dweller
And the latin word it comes from was late in the day for rome. About 300bce onwards only.
so unless you're pagan space aliens were invisible around when the catholic church formed i think you got it wrong.
And the celts are something you clearly know next to nothing about.
you need to know more about the picts but hey, if you think they're aliens then you go for it and dont let common sense or evidence stop you
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Evidence:    A host of masculine and feminine names in Anglo-Saxon [1], Old- and Middle- High-German, Old Norse-Icelandic, including the element 'Elf' , 'AElf', 'Alb', 'Alfr'.      Masculine:    Gothic  (Alt-) Mittel-      Anglo-Saxon      Old Norse-    Translation            hochdeutsch                          Icelandic                Alpbrecht,        AElfbeorth,                    Elven-bright              Alprecht          AElfbriht                  Alphari,          AElfhere                      Elf-like Warrior          Alphere, Alfheri                  Alphoh            AElfheah                      High (tall) as an                                                              Elf; Elven-noble;                                                              proud, haughty                                    AElfhelm                      protected by                          (cf. Elfhelm of Rohan)              Elves ? (helm-                                                              protection by                                                              Elves)      Albgastir[2] Alpkast                                        Elven Guest                Alpker            AElfgar        Alfgeirr    Elven Spear                                    AElfnodh                      bold, brave as                            (cf. Quenya Eldakan)                  an Elf                Alberad          AElfred        Alfradhr      Elven-Wise                                                              (counsel from                                                                an Elf)                Alpwin,          AElfwine        Alfvinr      Elf-Friend        (Lombardic) Alboin                Alfward          AElfweard                    Elf-Ward(en)                  Alfhard,          AElfheard                    Elf-Hardy              Alphart                                        (Elven-strong)      Albsigis[2]                    AElfsige                      elven victory ?                                                              (elven-mastery,                                                              wizardry [3])      Feminine:    Albuera[2]  Albwera          AElfwaru                      Elf-protection                                                              (protection by                                                                  an Elf)                Alphilt,          AElfhild        Alfhildr    Elven Battle-              Albhilt                                        maiden (valkyrja)                Albruna          AElfrun(e)      *Alfrun      Secret counsel                                                              from Elves or                                                              prophetess like                                                                  an Elf                Alpsuint,        AElfswidh                    elven-swift      (Lombardic) Alpsuinda                Alpdrud,          AElthrydh        Elfrida      elven daughter of              Albedrudis                                      Thor (valkyrja)    Albgiba[2]                    AElfgifu,        Algiva      Elf-Gift                                AElfgeova

Hell Marduk I didn't even know you could read let alone right a book, I thought you had somebody there to sound out the big words.
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Let me alter my wording of Pagan culture/religion to non christian culture/religion, because that is all it is. It would be as if the US bullied their way through Islam and together with the Jews, palnned a 1000 yeaar goal to systematicly wipe out all Islamic families and scatter the remainder into hiding whilst destroying or adopting Islamic art and high cultural ideas (as Celts did with Fairy culture and Europe di with African Egypt utntil the 1970's) Then remove all physical evidence and written evidence of the islamic group until it becomes a fainter and fainter memory to the generations that pass. This genocide phenomena is not an unusual phenomena in history, though with our informatin age, it may be more challenging to achieve as the catholics did back then .

then for having a smart ass attitude you can wait til i prove your alien myth fallacious in book format
should be done in about two or three months
don't worry about making a note of my name you'll be able to buy it every place that used to stock Sicthen and the rest of the mumbo jumbo authors.
You're getting this Sumerian alien crap from Sitchen anyway
he's wrong
get over it
And suggesting i look into sumerian culture is just about the most absurd thing I have ever heard
Its laughable
Don't you know anything ?

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There's sumfing Narstie at the Bottom of the Garding    The Catholic establishment diminuted the fairy because the Dragon Blood posed a threat to that establishments hold on government. This is easy to understand. More difficult, if fairies were supposed to be harmless, friendly beings or at worst just mischevious pranksters, is the diminution of them, which occured between the late Dark Age to Reformation period, by the wider population of the period.    The problem was that fairies weren't just ethereal pygmies, nor were they just "almost ordinary folk", which is the picture we might tend to get from Murray's sympathetically understated description of them.    The true nature of the fairy, one that has already been hinted at, can be found by studying the various names they were given over time, names which now conjure up images of garden ornaments and wispy elementals, but in the past seemed to be epithets of terror The last thing you would want in your little patch of suburban heaven is the original version of the Garden Gnome.    True enough fairies loved nature and greenery, they were after all the children of the greenwood and the descendants of the kings and queens who, at the dawn of history laid out the Garden of Eden. So it seems appropriate that we have statues of them fishing in our goldfish ponds or sitting looking sternly at the lawn that should have been mown a week ago.    But the real thing itself was the very reason why the plastic version now holds court on patios across the length and breadth of Merrie England.The gnome was, for man's ancestors, a horrible creature and sometimes a very real threat to life and this is why it, along with all the other beings we think of as separate classes of Fairies, was reduced in stature by ordinary people.    What do we do if we are beset by problems that we can't get rid of? More often than not we try and make light of them and ridicule them in order to make them smaller, thereby alleviating the fear in which we hold them.    This was one of the reasons behind the diminution of fairies by the peasants. Fairies, hard pressed by adverse conditions, during the Church's burning times and because of the relentless expansion of the human population into their territories, often continued old traditions out of a ritual context.     No doubt with a certain imperious callousness, considering the treatment they were then receiving at the hands of their former client peoples. It has been stated elsewhere that elves did not steal human adults or children for ritual purposes and this stands true. Nevertheless during the medieval period cannibalism was endemic in the whole British population because of the disasters caused by war, plague and famine. It is warranted therefore that the elves ate what they could, especially as they were additionally a people forced to the very margins of society.    The Catholic establishment diminuted the fairy because the Dragon Blood posed a threat to that establishments hold on government. This is easy to understand. More difficult, if fairies were supposed to be harmless, friendly beings or at worst just mischevious pranksters, is the diminution of them, which occured between the late Dark Age to Reformation period, by the wider population of the period.    The problem was that fairies weren't just ethereal pygmies, nor were they just "almost ordinary folk", which is the picture we might tend to get from Murray's sympathetically understated description of them.The true nature of the fairy, one that has already been hinted at, can be found by studying the various names they were given over time, names which now conjure up images of garden ornaments and wispy elementals, but in the past seemed to be epithets of terror. The last thing you would want in your little patch of suburban heaven is the original version of the Garden Gnome.    Although it has become a tradition to put the little folk into classes or categories, if we look closely at the

nope
we're still waiting for the point but Zeus won't tell us about the aliens
wonder why ?
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Food for thought on why the Catholics wanted to murder so many people of our fairy tale times.

Are there any other hidden histories and belief systems that people used to live with in our history, or is this work ( fiction or fact ), worth much in todays times?


http://web.archive.org/web/20030301021152/...sset/ch3_01.asp
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COOL
what do you think the crazy gang thinks of catholics ?

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Before and after Sumeria the main theology was related to the Sun and it's cycles. Either recorded by the peoples or gien to them from outside. December 21st was recordedas the death of the sun Winter solstice and december 25th was known as the rebirth or bithing of the sun. constantine preserved and altered many pagan ieas to make the bible. Yet how did the people before the annanuki arrival know so much of the changig solar system without ET or interdimensional help? Who built the monuments? Believing not in ET intervension is as easy as believing the bible is a factual expression of reality. Bible bashing, this is not, yet to shine light upon the boody hands of a murderr is only setting right actual facts. Any amount of evidence online is a waisted crap and only the deeply inquisitive are able to evolve through knowledge.
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