It starts out with a shopping cart. Of course this shopping cart needed a parking lot to sit on and people to make it.. materials to be made out of. Not just that but a planet for the parking lot, people, and materials to sit/live/taken out of. And well of course this planet needed a solar system to be in, and that needed a galaxy. The galaxy needed a universe, and the universe needed time.

All of this existed because of the Shopping Cart.

Accually, this isn't mine. This is my husband type unit's. He used a light post. Though, when we discussed things like creational myths We used the shopping cart (since it was next to our car and we were in the parking lot of the gerocery store)

Now, you can agree, argue against, think it really stupid. But, I want you to think.

It's circular logic, yes. Now.. the question is, why did I use it?

(Mind you... I am asking for no jokes first off. I would like this to be serious.)

That sounds like a lot of work for just a shopping cart.

SC I like the way your hubby thinks. I think God knew there was going to be a shopping cart and he knew there was going to be everything around it. Just as a person to push that shopping cart. God had a aplan for everything.

I like it, your hubby got a good idea. You start with the end results and work back to the beganing.
Lets build a museum for it. All we will need is a parking lot, a cart and a recording and speaker explaining it. You can charge everyone 10 bucks for viewing and listening.

101 my hubby is athiest. And, your explination... isn't... well... right. It's right for you, because that is how you think. But for this story, it isn't right.

Your god did not do what you said he did in this story. Infact there isn't any other god in this story, save one. And it isn't what you are thinking of.

*chuckles* Needless to say, it was to deep for his teacher... apparently it went rather far over the guy's head. But atleast I think you got it. X)

Silver, I would say that the shopping cart may be needed by some people because it makes their lives easier. Well for others it makes no difference they can carry their own things either alone, or with the help of other shoppers therefore making the shopping cart not only unneeded but also an eyesore as people who use them have a bad habit of leaving them around to bump into cars and take up spaces where as if there where no shopping carts anymore people would have to quit being lazy and learn to do things for themselves. Even though it may be a bit harder it would make for a more friendly parking lot experience for everyone

it can be said that a singularity is a point of one complexity.

mankind is moving towards a single level of complexity, as is the universe.

the singularity could be the end, not the beginning.

further, "time" from a human perspective could be backwards to the universe. thus we are moving into the past, not the future.

of course, the difference with this and your tale, silver, is that with the singularity the beginning and the end are the same thing. past, present, future all but illusions, as are plans and freedoms.

" And well of course this planet needed a solar system to be in, and that needed a galaxy. The galaxy needed a universe, and the universe needed time."

Time is a man made thing. i would go more along the line of stopping at universe. ur discription of the exsistance of the cart is confuseing , could u explain more. un less ur saying people created the cart, the the cart created things from there which makes no sence to me becuase who created the people that made the cart?

Oh well what does this story mean? I guess it is different meanings to different people. Sorry if I offended you.

Oh no.. I'm not offended. Not at all. (I'm to damned exhausted to feel anything really... X) )

It's a creation myth. It's to explain existance surrounding the shopping cart (Or lamp light) Thus makeing the shopping cart well... god.

Oh well I guess some may think anything is a god. But you aren't atheist but a pagan right, How do you think of this story according to your beliefs? I am not sure what pagans believe as how the world was formed.

It has nothing to do with what I or anyone believes. It's called being philisophical in a way... It's poseing a theory.. with a question that makes you think outside your norm.

Oh okay thanks.

101 why don't you do a little reading on Paganism. I googled "paganism" and this was the first return:
Paganism; Past and Present
Google Search

May be SC has a better web site you can check out.

*shrugs* considering pagan is a word used to describe a multitude of religions... it depends on which pagan faith you ask. many believe the earth is The Goddess and any given "wild God" or "Slain God" as her consort. (An explination to the seasons and very importaint for harvest)

That's more or less the western world one now. With many veriations.

You are right...But than:
"Knowledge is freedom"

The only pagan religion I know of is wiccan. And the goddess. That is what I am familar with.

Thanks Zandore for the link.

There are tons more. Hell mine isn't listed... (the again, I didn't expect it to be)

That would make the shopping cart evil. Not only that the electric shopping cart would be the most evil shopping cart of them all. If you had five children I think your point of view of the need for a shopping cart would be different. One person's savior is another person's satan.



Darn you are smart hyper, that is it. Starting with a singularity and end with a singularity would be a closed universe. It can't go forward and you can't go because it is all the same all at once.
But this creation myth also addresses the great question. "Why are we here?" That is the point of most creation myths. We are here to create a world for the shopping cart to exist. Hail and welcome, Shopping Cart and the Lamp Post.

I am converting to Shopping Cartism, but be warned we Cartists believe that Lamp Postists are heretics and should be burned at the stake!

Draw thy sword, Mako, I battle thee in the name of Lamp Post. Lamp Post be praised, I shall be victorious, I have the Post on my side.

*nods* He could give a greater insight to that. It is his reasoning. (And oddly.. he has and still does.. go by the name "Time" and yes, I mean my hubby)


Aye. Chonological time is very much human made. Universal time, however, is what I ment Gabrial. (and for the love of the gods... YOU *per peeve moment*)

Bad Mako! No jokes! *pokes with a stick*

I wanted to ask the obvious additions to the original question.. Of course the cart requires a carpark and a store and what not but does it not also require someone to *aknowledge the carts exsistence for it to be? Can the cart just exsist if nobody is their to prove it's exsistence? would it even need to exsist without someone to worship or use it?





*didn't use the freakin spell checker

A cart (or lamp post) can go days without being noticed.. or thought about...

The whole point was circular thinking. Which many creation stories are. This inclueds Genesis. My husband likes to do these things just to make people think... make them see that not all logic is logical. Maybe he'll come on one day and explain this better then I. X)

Yes please! Come almighty SC's husband and explain to us your meaning!!



Yeah, I could really use some more insight to this. I think I understand the simple meaning, the obvious parts, but I'm not sure if I understand the deep meaning, if there is one

And Mako! Us Lamp Postists think Cartists are all witches! And there is a surefire way to find out if ye be a witch! If you float! Therefore, we will weigh you against... a duck!

"And the Shopping Cart begat the Shopping Baskets. And they went forth and multiplied. And God saw that it was good." - Corinthians 6:15 (Holy Bible, King Elvis Version)

so much for the serious keepingness >.>;;

;P

Hubby's at work. I'll let him know that you guys want his thoughts when he gets home. Though He'll have to use my account since multible accounts on the same isp isn't allowed =)

Of course, the shopping cart came about when some smart retailer figured out that the limit of what could be carried in ones hands/arms was restricting to shoppers, and that having employees to fetch items for the customer was costly indeed. Ergo, the shopping cart, where all customers could get items for themselves, and plenty of room in it to carry lots of items to the cash register (studies have been done which show that people buy more with bigger shopping carts). It was a heck of a lot easier (for the customer) when customers read the items wanted off a list, and the employees scurried around the store fetching them. It cost a good deal more, however. I am old enough to remember the days before shopping carts, and my great uncle owned a grocery store. Needless to say, the shopping cart concept took off, and soon shopping carts were all over the stores (and unfortunately, all over the parking lots too.

Always an Athiest somewhere.......

Aye... and after rereading (and chatting with Kis) Larry's post... my brain miswired and I missed something there. He's taking a rather intresting athiest/agnostic point...

Kismet you brought a very good point The observable does require the observer unless it doesn't, here we may have a divine dichtotomy unless we don't???? Namaste Sheri

Kis... can I post our conversation about this? X)

*Mako whimpers and sidles away, while readying his light saber to assault the heretical Darkwind*
Yes Mistress ArgentFeline, thy word is my guide!

Lol Silver if you want to but can you make sure you check my spelling first..

I don't want every-one thinking I worship Diets..

hehehe XD I'll get to it. But, I'm not one for the spelling either so.. uhm.. spell check is going to be used!

Ok so.. Kis says something about seeing it...

Me: And well... It's like that "If a tree falls in the middle of the woods..." question. But then again, using that "Needs to be seen to be proven" ... Doesn't that also say alot about many religions with some form of deity?

We can't see our gods... yet we have faith that they exist. We transcribe that we see them in what we look at and believe in... Yet we can't just.. walk up to them and converse... though we can walk up to a shopping cart...

Kismit: It's exactly the same as many of the arguements against a deity exsisting, and the argument as to wether or not God created Man or Man created God, as well as the answer as to why God would create anything and if God created everything who the hell created God. and I know the answer is supposed to be Gods mum and Dad, but the point of the questions is to make you think not to provide answers just like you originaly stated in your post.

Allthough I do like the way larry OldTimer has put up a logical argument that makes him sound either Athiest or Agnostic I haven't quite figured it out. Possibly Agnostic as he does indeed believe the cart exists.

Me: (sic)Though pagan... I do fully believe that humans created gods. Odd I know, but in reality, if there were as real as the monothiests believe thier gods are... wouldn't we be still having the same encounters with them as those in the ancient paths have?(sic)


There we go.

There we go silver and not a word on Diets.

Opps edited for more crap spelling

Ahem....
...aren't you putting the shopping cart before the horse?

so true larry!

we have delivery services at two of our houses and manually purchase groceries at the third (don't ask why we own 3 houses). it is very true that we shop much better when we plan and order groceries than when we head down to the natural food market.

does that mean the grocery cart can be linked to "temptation"? ahhh..... perhaps the old cart is a source of EVIL!

Nope.