All I hear is blah blah proof blah proof blah blah blah proof. If you want so much proof why don't you do it yourself? I mean God, wo told you guys that all psiballs are suppose to be visable? Not everyone instantly makes a visable one and I can't even afford a camera. So I'm challenging all of you skeptics to get up off your lazy butts and do an experiment of your choice daily. You have the choice of psiballs and telekinesis. I recomend psiballs for the imbosiles. Record your results everyday.And try for Gods sake. Don't just put your hands together for five seconds and claim it as false.

blah blah blah proof. blah blah blah proof. i tried for like 10 seconds and now i am debunking the psiball thing.

Tried. Hmm. Nothing happened. Can you believe that? Of course nothing happened because it is not real.

How do we tell the difference between an actual psi-ball and the normal physical response of your body to focusing on any given part of it?

I suppose we don't.




Psi-balls. A waste of my time. Fake.

i bet you skeptics held your hands like you were holding a sphere, and after 1/2 of a second you said "no giant glowing ball of energy appeared" and then you stopped right?It takes MONTHS or YEARS to just master making a visible one!

And you have done it at the tender age of 13 years old. Give us a break.

Johny never said he has. Aquatas, blood flowing to your hands give you a very warm tingling which confuses some people and sometimes provides false results. An actual psiball feels like an actual ball getting bigger and bigger almost like it's pulsating. It doesn't feel as dense as an actual ball though. You also get a feeling of magnetism.
Nobody's steppes up to the challenge yet.
"Tried. Hmm. Nothing happened. Can you believe that? Of course nothing happened because it is not real."
This comment only prooves how truly lazy are. I've never heard of anyone doing it the first day. I didn't even do it the first day. A month you hear? About ten minutes of your time a day.

Actually Ghost, you and some others asked me to try. About a month ago? I have tried nearly every night (5 nights/wk) for about 20 min. I definately get the feeling like Aquatus has described to us before. I get it a lot quicker now. But still nothing more that blood rushing to the area. That's it.

And you skeptical members, don't bash me. I'm not trying to be a superhero. I'm just experimenting. If anything extraordinary happened, I'd come and ask Aquatus about it. So far, nada.

What about any of the sensations I described?

Simple increase in circulation explains tingling and such.

Didn't I just say that there are more sensations then that?

But feeling physical sensations where none appear (such as an invisible ball) are common phantom feelings as well. The ability of the mind to produce sensations based on nothing more than expectation is well-documented. In fact, in one of the most incredible studies I have read on the matter, a person was fitted with a false arm, while his real arm was hidden underneath by a towel. The false arm was prodded with pins, and the person felt the prodding of the pins on the false arms. Even knowing that the arm was false, even knowing that his arm was safely tucked away, the connection of the fake arm to his body was so easily conceived and expected by his mind that it actually created the senstions that it expected to feel.

It is very important to realize that, ultimately, everything that we feel, see, smell, taste, anything, is ultimately created by our mind, not by our senses. Once this is understood, it becomes very easy, in fact, it becomes expected, that we will feel a ball in our hands by convincing ourselves that a ball exists.

Any experiment that does not take this into account is automatically suspect. There must be a manner in which one can remove the variable of the mind, or else Occam's Razor must apply and declare the simplest solution, the proven mind reaction, as the most likely cause.

I have spent close to twenty years of my life researching the paranormal and supernatural. The more I learned, the less I believed, until I became the non-believer that I am today. Nonetheless, I will always hold out hope that someday strong scientific evidence will appear that gives us an indication that the paranormal exists. Until then, I will continue my search, using proper scientific methodology, the whole way.

And yes, I am fully capable of forming the alleged psi-ball, spinning the psi-wheel, controlling the pendulum, and pretty much doing all the basic psi-exercises that people like to bring to the table. And no, I am not psychic in any way, shape, or form.

If that's true then I am very dillusional. Extremy dillusional. Crazy maybe. But if you can trick your mind into beleiving something it can be useful. Ever heard of monks staying warm on top of mountains using their in "chi" ? Even if it's not really chi look at what they're doing.

If that's true then I am very dillusional. Extremy dillusional. Crazy maybe.


Okay, that's it. Case closed.

Yes, it most certainly can be useful. I have myself managed to accomplish it on two seperate occasion (although only one intentionally).

But when it comes down to it, the training to do something that is spiritual in nature is never very efficient. It is almost always personal. It hardly ever has a set guideline for accomplishment. Ultimately, it usually comes down to "Do it till it feels right."

By understanding it as a natural reaction, however, you automatically begin understanding the basic cause and effect of it. At that point, by removing the mystical, it becomes much easier to study, to learn, and to control the ability, simply because you are now dealing with the tangible methods of scientific methodology, rather than the nebulous and ill-defined concepts of mysticism.

Sorry, Ghost. I didn't keep up with the thread.

I didn't experience everything you were talking about. I don't know if you've seen my replies regarding this technique, but it has actually been a bit useful. When I center my concentration on my shoulder blades, it helps ease the pain so I can sleep. It gets warm and relaxes.

Edit: Oh, and Aquatus can probably explain a lot of the things you're talking about. I don't know what all you can do, but surely some of it can be explained scientifically. I think that's kind of a curiousity for you. Explaining it, I mean. I'll check back in the am.

Sorry Ghost, but that's not the way it works.
We're not the ones that want Psychic powers to be proven as real.
A Skeptic trying to give their own proof of powers is like a speaker rebutting themselves in a debate.
If the believers want us to believe them (that's their role) they need proof.

Good idea, but it goes against all purpose
It's like the Liberals voting for the Greens... you know?

If the believers want us to believe them (that's their role) they need proof.


This is where the arguements start.

I don't really care what others think of my beliefs. They're mine and I have them for a reason.

What I do care about is rude, obnoxious people who start make belittling comments because they don't agree.
To all those die hard skeptics out there, state your point on why YOU BELIEVE things are incorrect and let go.
Everyone is different and everyone is entitled to think what they want.
We all learn and grow, going off at someone isn't going to change their minds.

Not entirely, a lot of the time the believers are the first to get aggressive

And as a skeptic, I always try to include scientific statements on why things will or won't work.

Ghost...due to the very contradictory nature of your posts (ie going from x-men to sceptic and now to x-men again)...I am inclined to think you are either:

1) Plain silly

2) Suffering from short and long term memory loss

3) Schizophrenic

4) all of the above

If you like I can make a poll and let people here decide

I think it's more that he's growing up and starting to think more about scientific explanations. But I could be wrong.

Even though I have wondered If I'm crazy, how have I ever been skeptical or talked about the X-Men. Just because I don't beleive everything tells me doesn't mean I'm not a beleiver in the paranormal. When someone tells me they can create wind I'd like proof not just their word.

Point made, go Ghost

I really dont want to prove it even though i once showed my friends how to make a psiball and they did it so they believed me but they arent as hooked up onto this as I am...I am also 13 and I have made a psiball its not visible either but if i concentrate I and only I can see it...I didnt work the first time i tried it because i thought I was supposed to see it and I didnt my fingers were tingly and then I found out that you can feel the psiball but not see it sometimes so I tried to feel it and I did its not that hard if you learn from the right source

As for being able to control what your body feels, this can be the thing that makes you feel like you're making a psi ball. Your body can make you have these feelings even if you're not trying. Try this.

Go stand in a doorway, facing into one of the rooms. Put both your arms out and press the tops of both of your hands against the inside of the door frame very hard. Do this for a slow 30 seconds. Now put your arms at your sides and walk away from the door. Relax your arms. They should go up to about shoulder height all by themselves.

Focusing on something long enough can make you do it, even if you don't think you're doing it yourself.

You watch an extremely scary movie. Ghosts are popping out of walls and slitting people's throats, all that stuff. Even if you don't believe in ghosts, you're gonna be a bit freaked out. Every once and awhile, you think you see something out of the corner of your eye, you look, and nothing's there.

It's your subconscious.

I'm not trying to say this whole thing is false. I'm just saying that for some people, these effects can be misleading. Everyone who tries this and says they did it did not actually do this, they just wanted to really bad, and this happened. I'm sure some people can do something that causes this without their subconscious, but that's only a small percentage.

As for seeing an actual light, people who try to do it and get the tingling probably get carried away and say they saw it, even though they didn't.

When I was young I was more science minded but now im more experince minded as i've grown. When I was in school I had no desire to learn;I just got good grades so I could pass. Now I want to learn everything I can.

Yes One eye that is true; how do you know that applies?
Which is why people want skeptics to try it. You can't talk about the football game if you didn't see it.

EX. If I asked you if the Redsox won game 4 (world series)after losing 3 in a row to the yankees would you say yes if you hadn't watched that game?

Almost everything can be potentially caused by atleast 2 different things. You're saying that IF there is potential for it to be science related, then it can't be anything else.