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etvisitor7
Quoting from "The Templar Revelation" by Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince:

"The most famous account of the Magdalene (Mary) in France is Jacobus de Voragine's "Golden Legend" (1250). In it, de Voragine, the Dominican Archbishop of Genoa, refers to her as both 'Illuminata' and 'Illuminatrix'---the Illuminated and Illuminator---which is particularly interesting because these are the roles claimed for her throughout the 'forbidden' Gnostic texts. She is portrayed as being both enlightened and the bestower of enlightenment, initiate and initiatrix: there is no suggestion that she was spiritually inferior because she was a woman---quite the reverse.
As is the case with all legends, there are several variations on a central theme, which nevertheless remain remarkably constant. The main story is as follows: shortly after the Crucifixion, Mary Magdalene, together with her siblings Martha and Lazarus, plus several others---their identity varies depending on the version of the story--- travelled by sea to the coast of what is now Provence (France). Among this moveable cast of extras is St Maximin, said to have been one of the seventy-two disciples of Jesus and the legendary first bishop of Provence; Mary Jacobi and Mary Salome, allegedly Jesus' aunts; a black servant girl called Sarah; and Joseph of Arimathea, a rich friend of Jesus who is more often linked to the Glastonbury story. The motive for what was supposedly a hazardous and uncomfortably long journey also depends on which version of the story you read. One is that this group had escaped from the persecution of the early Church by the Jews, and the other main motive given is that they had been deliberately set adrift by their enemies in a rudderless and oarless vessel. It was, of course, literally a miracle that they reached dry land.
The picture painted by the medieval story of the South of France in the days of the Magdalene was of a remote wilderness inhabited only by pagan savages. In fact Provence was a major part of the Roman Empire---a highly civilized area with flourishing Roman, Greek, and even Jewish communities; the Herod family owned estates in the South of France. And far from such a journey's being outlandlishly arduous and off the map, it was a normal route for trading ships and no more difficult than the journey from say, Tyre or Sidon to Rome. If this particular party had come to Provence, they may well have done so voluntarily, without having been forced to flee.
The legends agree that they disembarked at what is now the town of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer, in the Camargue. Once there, the group split up and went their various ways to spread the Gospel. The story goes that the Magdalene preached throughout the region, converting the heathen before becoming a hermit in a cave at Sainte-Baume. Some stories have her living there for the implausible but biblically time-honored period of forty years, spending what must have been very long days repenting of her sins and meditating on Jesus. To add a bit of spice to the story, she is believed to have spent all this time naked except for curiously abundant hair, which clothed her effectively in a way reminiscent of John the Baptist's animal skins. At the end of her life, we are told, she was carried by angels to St Maximin (by then the first bishop of Provence) who gave her the last rites just before she died. Her body was buried at the town named after him.
A pretty tale, but is there any truth in it? For a start, it is extremely unlikely that the Magdalene was a hermit, for however long, in a cave at Sainte-Baume......
In fact, the metamorphosis of the once splendidly voluptuous Magdalene into the gaunt, tearful hermit was a deliberate Christianization of a much more ambivalent story: all the key elements were taken from the legend of the fifth-century St Mary the Egyptian, who was also a prostitute turned hermit and whose penitence in the wilderness of Palestine lasted 47 years.....
Clearly---and in the light of other evidence given later---the 'penitent' part of the Magdalene story is a deliberate invention on the part of the medieval Church to make her more acceptable......" innocent.gif
joc
Already debunked by the Discovery Channels, Holy Grail episode.
etvisitor7
QUOTE(joc @ Aug 14 2005, 09:40 PM)
Already debunked by the Discovery Channels, Holy Grail episode.
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Unfortunately the debunkers do what they always do: present only information that supports their own narrow version of reality. Debunkers base their arguments on emotional bias and prejudice, rather than doing an in-depth, truly scientific investigation of the facts. Many scientists are no better than religious fanatics when it comes to an unbiased, scientific investigation; such "scientists" do not really investigate SCIENTIFICALLY because they are afraid of admitting that many of their pet ideas and concepts may be in error. Historians are often the same. Any new and unusual ideas about history (such as the idea that Mary Magdalene sailed to the South of France) are fiercely opposed by them, sorely because of their emotional attachment to established versions of history. They are afraid of being "excommunicated" from the respectable Historical community, for the same reason that many scientists will not challenge established scientific theory. In their so-called "scientific" research, they only look for information that supports their pre-conceived notions of reality; any facts that challenge those notions are quickly 'swept under the carpet', as it were.
I recently saw a documentary (a BBC production) that investigated the Da Vinci Code theories. Right from the start of this program, the abundance of information that strongly supported the theory was conveniently not even mentioned, but data that supported the obviously biased ideas (against the theory) of the producers was very much in the viewers' faces! yes.gif
Tangerine Sheri
etvisitor i found the article to be very interesting and truthful, of course the celebration of the feminine is not excepted in Christianity, Thanks for posrting something that is favorable to us females and not everyone around here is os narrow and limited you can actually have great conversations with alot more than you don't. Of course you don't need me to help you you can clearly stand up for yourself, Namaste sheri
SilverCougar
QUOTE(joc @ Aug 14 2005, 09:40 PM)
Already debunked by the Discovery Channels, Holy Grail episode.
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By a person. *shrugs* Does not mean it's debunked. Just shows how he guesses what the information he "finds" means.

Or what people who give him this information what him to think or see. Manythings are covered with lies to protect the truth. Accepting one person's "truth" can be folly.
bacca
I didn't see the discovery channel show so what exactly was debunked?
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(bacca @ Aug 15 2005, 01:31 PM)
I didn't see the discovery channel show so what exactly was debunked?
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Bacca the original post that etvisitor posted someone said that the discovery channel said it wasn't true, So that must make it so (Right wink wink) Namaste Sheri
bacca
I kinda figured that sheri I suppose I'm curious of exactly what they were debunking and ofcourse how....I mean they can't prove anything now can they?
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(bacca @ Aug 15 2005, 02:06 PM)
I kinda figured that sheri I suppose I'm curious of exactly what they were debunking and ofcourse how....I mean they can't prove anything now can they?
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Exactly Bacca and no is going into any detail did you notice??Namaste Sehri
bacca
yup i noticed thumbsup.gif
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