Is there a Hopi legend about how they came from other planets that got destoryed and how this is the third one or somthing? well, if anyone knows what im talking about, it would be great if u could fill me in on that legend. Thanks!
-Mateo
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Have you been watching the X files again
lol, so is there no legend about that? Darn! I was sure i heard something like that some where. lol, i was just curious how the legend went.
Oh, yes...way to much X-files, I haven't watched it for 5 days and im already haveing with drawls!
Oh, yes...way to much X-files, I haven't watched it for 5 days and im already haveing with drawls!
Well i don't know about the Hopi, but i am half cherokee and i know we are from the planet earth. Ans so are all the other tribes i know about.. 
Actually, There is such a legend.
"Taiowa is the creator god. He made Sotuknang and ordered him to make the universe. The first world was called Topela and had land, water and air, as well as Koyangwuti (spider woman), who then created twins, Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya [metaphor: duality]. They made rivers, oceans and mountains. Koyangwuti then made all organisms, but most of the men did not obey the gods, so Sotuknang killed them with a flood. [metaphor: Flood Stories - flow of the collective unconscious - creation as thought consciousness.] Two more bad worlds were created and destroyed."
Heres the link:
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi.html
Thank marduk for the link
-Mateo
"Taiowa is the creator god. He made Sotuknang and ordered him to make the universe. The first world was called Topela and had land, water and air, as well as Koyangwuti (spider woman), who then created twins, Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya [metaphor: duality]. They made rivers, oceans and mountains. Koyangwuti then made all organisms, but most of the men did not obey the gods, so Sotuknang killed them with a flood. [metaphor: Flood Stories - flow of the collective unconscious - creation as thought consciousness.] Two more bad worlds were created and destroyed."
Heres the link:
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi.html
Thank marduk for the link
-Mateo
For the whole different life on different planets things I really don't believe. But this is very interesting. Maybe you should google it?
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Hi, I could not get the link to work? but thanks any way.. 
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Is there a Hopi legend about how they came from other planets that got destoryed and how this is the third one or somthing? well, if anyone knows what im talking about, it would be great if u could fill me in on that legend. Thanks!
-Mateo
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I found two links that might be helpful: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/umbriel.htm
http://www.indigenouspeople.net/howtheho.htm
lol, I don't think the hopi's are from another planet, its just based on stories of migration.
You ever think that maybe the Earth and its Humans occupying it has been through advanced civilization after advanced civilization and just destroyed perhaps by war? It makes you think, the Global crisis' today could lead to the complete obliteration of the current humans of the 21st century. Only a few survivors that will overtime forget of when the world was ruled by technology and fall back into the early ages. :/
Look at Atlantis, storys tell of weapons of Mass Destruction that were held by their forces. Maybe their city is much much older than we thought?
Remember this is just an Idea.
Look at Atlantis, storys tell of weapons of Mass Destruction that were held by their forces. Maybe their city is much much older than we thought?
Remember this is just an Idea.
Thanks for the link, I read it all but i still do not think any tribe can from another planet. I just don't see how anyone could believe it..As i said i am half Cherokee and i know we have some strange believe's to the out side world, but trust me we are from here promise
lol, thanks for all the great infomation. I was just curious about how the legend went, by no means did i say that i belived it......yet...lol
-Mateo
-Mateo
The First World
The First World of the Hopis was corrupted not so much by evil as by "forgetting." The people had been instructed by Sotuknang and Spider Woman to respect their Creator, and to use their vibratory centers to help them follow his plan. But as they began to forget this, they began to quarrel among themselves. Finally, the situation reached a point where Sotuknang and Taiowa decided that the world had to be destroyed.
Sotuknang appeared before those "chosen people" who still remembered the Creator and his plan, and told them that the doors at the tops of their heads would lead them to safety before he destroyed the world. They followed his indication, and took refuge underground with the Ant People as the First World was destroyed by fire, and a Second World was created for their emergence.
The Second World
The Second World was almost as beautiful as the first, with the significant difference that the animals no longer trusted humans and remained separate from them. But here, too, people began to forget the plan of the Creator, until finally this world also had to be destroyed.
Again, those who had "remembered" were saved, and taken care of by the Ant People. Once they were safe, the twins at the poles were instructed to leave their posts so the world would spin off its axis and out of control. As it traveled through space it froze into solid ice, until the twins took up their stations again and restored the Earth to life, creating a Third World.
The Third World
Now in the Third World they multiplied in such numbers and advanced so rapidly that they created big cities, countries, and a whole civilization. This made it difficult for them to conform to the plan of Creation and to sing praises to Taiowa and Sotuknang. More and more of them became wholly occupied with their own earthly plans.
Some of them, of course, retained the wisdom granted them upon their emergence. With this wisdom they understood that the farther they proceeded on the Road of Life and the more they developed, the harder it was. That was why their world was destroyed every so often to give them a fresh start.
Some Hopi accounts of the Third World contain the tantalizing information that "flying shields" had been developed there, capable of attacking faraway cities and coming back so quickly that no one knew where they had gone. When this world and its advanced civilization was finally destroyed by Sotuknang, this time with great floods, the people who still remembered the plan of Creation took refuge inside the hollow stems of the bamboo. Then came their emergence into the Fourth World.
The Fourth World
This time, the people had to search long and hard for a place to establish themselves and start over again. The Hopi tradition tells of endless journeys by boat, paddling uphill all the way. From time to time they would find a place to land, beautiful and bounteous, only to be told by Spider Woman that they must move on: this place was too easy, and soon they would fall into evil ways if they stayed.
Finally, completely exhausted from their fruitless efforts, the people "opened their doors" and let themselves be guided. The water carried them gently to a sandy shore, where they were greeted by Sotuknang and given further instructions. They were to separate into different groups, each heading in different directions, to claim all the land for the Creator. Each group would have to "follow its own star" to a place where the earth met the sea. They would complete such a journey four times in all, to cover all the four directions, before being guided back together again to settle permanently.
Before the newcomers to the Fourth World set out on their migrations, theywere given a tablet [some say tablets] containing symbolic representations of their journey and final resting place, and events that would confirm their adherence to the Creator's plan. The tablet best known today is reportedly held by members of the Fire Clan. This tablet has always had one corner missing that, according to legend, is in possession of a "lost white brother" called Pahana. Pahana's return with the missing corner will signal the beginning of a new brotherhood of mankind.
These words were spoken by Sotuknang at the beginning of the Fourth World: "See," said Sotuknang, "I have washed away even the footprints of your Emergence; the stepping-stones which I left for you. Down on the bottom of the seas lie all the proud cities, the flying patuwvotas [shields], and the worldly treasures corrupted with evil, and those people who found no time to sing the praises to the Creator from the tops of their hills. But the day will come, if you preserve the memory and the meaning of your Emergence, when these stepping-stones will emerge again to prove the truth you speak."
The tablet given to the Fire Clan at the dawn of the Fourth World is still missing its corner....
but personally i got the missing corner on my hardrive and i'm writing it into a book right now
The First World of the Hopis was corrupted not so much by evil as by "forgetting." The people had been instructed by Sotuknang and Spider Woman to respect their Creator, and to use their vibratory centers to help them follow his plan. But as they began to forget this, they began to quarrel among themselves. Finally, the situation reached a point where Sotuknang and Taiowa decided that the world had to be destroyed.
Sotuknang appeared before those "chosen people" who still remembered the Creator and his plan, and told them that the doors at the tops of their heads would lead them to safety before he destroyed the world. They followed his indication, and took refuge underground with the Ant People as the First World was destroyed by fire, and a Second World was created for their emergence.
The Second World
The Second World was almost as beautiful as the first, with the significant difference that the animals no longer trusted humans and remained separate from them. But here, too, people began to forget the plan of the Creator, until finally this world also had to be destroyed.
Again, those who had "remembered" were saved, and taken care of by the Ant People. Once they were safe, the twins at the poles were instructed to leave their posts so the world would spin off its axis and out of control. As it traveled through space it froze into solid ice, until the twins took up their stations again and restored the Earth to life, creating a Third World.
The Third World
Now in the Third World they multiplied in such numbers and advanced so rapidly that they created big cities, countries, and a whole civilization. This made it difficult for them to conform to the plan of Creation and to sing praises to Taiowa and Sotuknang. More and more of them became wholly occupied with their own earthly plans.
Some of them, of course, retained the wisdom granted them upon their emergence. With this wisdom they understood that the farther they proceeded on the Road of Life and the more they developed, the harder it was. That was why their world was destroyed every so often to give them a fresh start.
Some Hopi accounts of the Third World contain the tantalizing information that "flying shields" had been developed there, capable of attacking faraway cities and coming back so quickly that no one knew where they had gone. When this world and its advanced civilization was finally destroyed by Sotuknang, this time with great floods, the people who still remembered the plan of Creation took refuge inside the hollow stems of the bamboo. Then came their emergence into the Fourth World.
The Fourth World
This time, the people had to search long and hard for a place to establish themselves and start over again. The Hopi tradition tells of endless journeys by boat, paddling uphill all the way. From time to time they would find a place to land, beautiful and bounteous, only to be told by Spider Woman that they must move on: this place was too easy, and soon they would fall into evil ways if they stayed.
Finally, completely exhausted from their fruitless efforts, the people "opened their doors" and let themselves be guided. The water carried them gently to a sandy shore, where they were greeted by Sotuknang and given further instructions. They were to separate into different groups, each heading in different directions, to claim all the land for the Creator. Each group would have to "follow its own star" to a place where the earth met the sea. They would complete such a journey four times in all, to cover all the four directions, before being guided back together again to settle permanently.
Before the newcomers to the Fourth World set out on their migrations, theywere given a tablet [some say tablets] containing symbolic representations of their journey and final resting place, and events that would confirm their adherence to the Creator's plan. The tablet best known today is reportedly held by members of the Fire Clan. This tablet has always had one corner missing that, according to legend, is in possession of a "lost white brother" called Pahana. Pahana's return with the missing corner will signal the beginning of a new brotherhood of mankind.
These words were spoken by Sotuknang at the beginning of the Fourth World: "See," said Sotuknang, "I have washed away even the footprints of your Emergence; the stepping-stones which I left for you. Down on the bottom of the seas lie all the proud cities, the flying patuwvotas [shields], and the worldly treasures corrupted with evil, and those people who found no time to sing the praises to the Creator from the tops of their hills. But the day will come, if you preserve the memory and the meaning of your Emergence, when these stepping-stones will emerge again to prove the truth you speak."
The tablet given to the Fire Clan at the dawn of the Fourth World is still missing its corner....
but personally i got the missing corner on my hardrive and i'm writing it into a book right now
There you go mateo that is the legend I believe you were referring to. The part where in the 4th world they were seperated and went in four different directions actually makes the swastika symbol!! Here are some of the thier signs saying we are about to go into a new 5th world.
White Feather, Bear Clan
"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.
"This is the First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)
"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)
"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)
"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)
"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)
"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)
"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)
"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.
"These are the Signs that great destruction is here: The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle people in other lands -- those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts not far from here. Those who stay and live in the places of the Hopi shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon, very soon afterward, Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in our hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World."
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/pan.htm
Here is an articles with similiarties with the Hopi and Sumerian culture.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/parallel.htm
White Feather, Bear Clan
"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.
"This is the First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)
"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)
"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)
"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)
"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)
"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)
"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)
"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.
"These are the Signs that great destruction is here: The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle people in other lands -- those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as the white man has made in the deserts not far from here. Those who stay and live in the places of the Hopi shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon, very soon afterward, Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in our hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World."
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/pan.htm
Here is an articles with similiarties with the Hopi and Sumerian culture.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/parallel.htm
That hopi/Sumerian site is wrong in just about every one of its assertions
jigsaws don't fit when you force them
theres plenty of similarities but only the Pahana would know what they are
and Robert Morningsky is definitly not him
The fact that this guy is obsessed with aliens and the hopi arent speaks volumes
He thinks Tiamat is a planet
Thats Mr Sitchen again
and he is totally wrong
jigsaws don't fit when you force them
theres plenty of similarities but only the Pahana would know what they are
and Robert Morningsky is definitly not him
The fact that this guy is obsessed with aliens and the hopi arent speaks volumes
He thinks Tiamat is a planet
Thats Mr Sitchen again
and he is totally wrong
thanks for clearing that up Marduk. I posted it just to get your opinion on it. Do you believe in the Pahana. Seems to fit with the other gods being white and bearded. Whats your view on the prophecy part of the hopi legends? My problem with any of those is how to distinguish if they were written or orally told before they actually happened. If there is some validity that they existed before they actually occured it would seem they are correct and we may have something to worry about.
Ha! Well thank you marduk and sanchera1978, I knew I wasn't crazy, thats the legend I was curious to hear! 
...I guess the X-files really did pay off now didn't they? lol.
-Mateo
...I guess the X-files really did pay off now didn't they? lol.
-Mateo
I dont know if there is any Hopi legend about of they came from the skies, but i don know there is a Hopi Prophecy, as where they awate for the " return of the white brother, that will come from the skies to save the world."
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