I have a nose ring. I am at church and I was in membership class. They comment on how it is wrong to some for me to have a nose ring. WHAT?


So I have researched this:

Isaiah 3:18-23: "In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel,and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils."

This is what makes it spiritually dangerous for people. People not realizing this opens the door for Satanic attack because they
have a mark or opening which allows the enemy entrance in their lives. Today this practice is growing because of false religions and pagan influences infiltrating the church.

What in the world. I know of many pagan traditions-The christmas tree presents etc. Why would they give me grief over a nose ring. God Forbid I get a tattoo of a crucifix.

wow thats lame people just need to stop making up stuff that they think is in the Bible just because they don't like it. I mean your nose ring rules! and your not going to go to hell for it

I have a tattoo and a earring... I am not worried... God understands a little better then we think he does, about everything...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

I have 10 peircings and 4 tattoo im not religious now but i used to be and i was always told that your body doesnt belong to you it belongs to god therefore you shouldnt do anything to it.which i think is a crock do whatever feels good to you if i mean whats the point of living life if you are never let to live.(just my opinion sorry if i offend)

You know I think if it is for what you get it for(decoration) it isn't a mark just a decoration. That is all. I guess God just wrote that in the Bible so that people would know that piercings in those days were usually practiced by those who did witchcraft.

Just my opinion.

perhaps, 101, it is more likely that MEN wrote specific things in the bible that stripped other belief structures of their ritutuals and traditions to ease in the conversion.

The Bible warns us against cuttings in our flesh in Leviticus 19:28 which says, "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

And

1 Corinthians 6:19-20,

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

And this one just WHoa:

Some complain and say that most of the women today in our society wear pierced earrings and they attempt to use this as an excuse for the bizarre body piercings they are flaunting. The Lord always judges what we do by our motives as He looks on the heart. It is a different matter when women wear pierced earrings as a custom, without the rebellion and pride attached to it. However, this could even be wrong if women are filled with vanity and pride over their appearance. Remember God looks at our heart attitudes. In fact, the Bible speaks of a generation of women that will be alive at the coming of the Lord that will be judged severely for their flirting and their haughtiness. Let us look again at the prophecy in Isaiah 3:16-24 (NIV):
16 The LORD says, "The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with out stretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
17 Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the Lord will make their scalps bald."
18 In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces,
19 The earrings, the bracelets and veils,
20 The head dresses and ankle chains and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms,
21 The signet rings and nose rings,
22 The fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses
23 And mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.
24 Instead of fragrance there will be a stench; instead of a sash, a rope; instead of well dressed hair, baldness; instead of fine clothing, sackcloth: instead of beauty, branding.
25 Your men will fall by the sword, your warriors in battle.


I got this info off Bible.com

i dont think people who did witchcraft in those days had alot of peircings and thats why god said not to do it i agree with the statement above me.

actually the one above the one above me not the whole bible thing. of course thats relevant to you because the bible is relevent to you. but do you really think your going to burn for eternity for putting a hole in your nose. some god that would be right? he would burn you for having a free will and doing as you please to your body. ridiculous i will have you know the first peircing i got i was still going to church it was my bellybutton i didnt even tell anyone i had it and they kicked me out of everything.

I think that god understands though and knows that the times have changed and so have the people so I don't think he would mind us getting peircings and tattoo's just as long as it dosent say something bad twords somone else.

God knows why I have my nose done. It is not because I am practicing false religions or whatever but for decoration and sort.

custom vs vanity and pride?

lets see.... it certianly was custom for many cultures that christianity tried/did march over to wear various jewels. in fact, the customs of christianty come from other cultures. again.

to do something for custom/tradition is mindless in a sense. it sounds to me like another example of excuse making! i can do it if i do it for..... just like the old "in moderation", or "just cause". and who would be the ones determining the custom? why the rulers of the church of course! delusion in the name of deity....

if one is too vain one neglects other aspects of life, but what one's actions produce are of their own doing and not of the judgement of any skyservice.

So hyper is you have a little girl will you not pierce her ears once she asks. The fact is humans wear earrings if they are girls. (some guys too) But I know that when my daughter asks me to pierce herr ears I will. But it will not be because she is vain. I think God doesn't want us to boast about ourselves and think we are better---therefore making us godlike. You understand. That is what I got from it. But I can see now what they mean. although it is ridiculous to think we cannot pierce our ears because it may be a false religion tradition.

i would hope that this is not a fact, or else you have just demonstrated the mindlessness of women!

what someone does to their body is of their own accord. lets be realistic though. most people are poking holes because they want to belong to the group it symbolizes, even if that group is a group symbolizing not belonging. sticking holes is a right of passage that stems from tribal cultures. in western culture it is a right of passage for a girl to get holes poked in their ears - a becoming of girlhood. at a most basic level though, lets not kid ourselves and say "people do it because they think it degrades their appearance". man is a social animal and will do things to grant him status, adoration, etc within society. while a few people may enjoy the pain of piercing that is a subset of the practice (and the pain aspect is also originally a part of the right of passage).

biblehood has its own rights of passage. it also goes out of its way to deny other forms of passages (except in ways it has perverted to its own bag of tricks). yes, biblehood seeks in many forms to deny man that which he is! it is good at telling one that one is vile and filthy and must overcome all your natural ways in order to achieve the promise of something down the road. "whatever"

if i had children, which i do not nor will i ever, i would leave it to them to decide what rights they wish to persue when they were old enough to make informed decisions.

yes, the abrahamic religions make it quite clear that their god does not share his throne with anyone. there are only 2 types of people in that structure!

Mindless woman. Oh my, I guess it is not a actual fact.

No children? but you would be a great daddy.

I guess it is because God knew that these people were doing what was wrong. Today it is different because we don't do cutting to our bodies(at least I do not) to displease God.

The Bible has different passages about the same thing because different situations with each passage. If I ate celery and you ate celery people could write that you ate your celery different but it was displeasing because you smacked as you ate the celery. lol I am just playing. But do you understand?

yeah i get peircings and tattoos because i think they are beautiful and my tattoos all represent something but i also kinda go into a trance because of the pain i like it it puts me to sleep. but thats just me.

I am going to be getting my first tattoo done soon what have you gotten done?

I have 2 small tattoos right now. I am thinking about getting a sleeve done on my upper arm. Its large but I can still cover it up for work.

i have a sun on the small of my back and its go like a ying yang face in it black and white that was my first i got it when i was 15 it didnt really hurt that much i fell asleep.the second was on my wrist its the chinese symbols for dragon because im the dragon in chinese astrology.the third takes up my upper back its a fairy hanging in a spider web dangling a spider it means suspension in life. and the last one i got was on my hipbone its a anime angel with black wings and a pentegram on her hand it represents my love for the dark.and i have my nose.tongue.labret.bellybutton top and bottom.industrial. 2 cartilages and my lobes at 6 gauge peirced

Wow. Thats acutally kind of a turn on. The only tattoo on a woman that looks bad is one on the boob. For some reason that one strikes me as trash. I have ying/yang band on my left bicep and superman symbol by my beltline.

wow looks like I have some thinking to do lol I was just going to get a picture of the Moonanites lol. But I am really trying to think of something that will mean something any suggestions?

it's easy decide for yourself...if you have to continually keep asking questions like is my nose ring bad because someone at church said so then you have two options. you can either stay in that particular church and get rid of the nose ring or get rid of that church and keep it....this is not rocket science here....And just out of curiosity 101 you've been a member of that church for years according to what you have said in the past....so did you not know they wouldn't approve of this? is it a new adornment? Or did someone just decide to let you know that they didn't like it? was it a member or a preacher? since the ring in and of itself isn't a big deal unless you make it one. but that's just my opinion

well make up something thats what i do if theres a belief you have or something you believe in such as astrology thats always a good one kanjis are good like of your name or something. but i always try to make is a puzzle like when you look at a peice of art and try to figure out what the artist was thinking when they drew it.

bacca it was a member. No biggie at all. I don't care. They didn't even have the curitisy to tell me why they didn't like ity just that someone could say something about it. People wear piercings throughout my church. i just thought it would be an interesting topic. That is all.

But I know why he would have thought it was wrong but I do not do what displeases God at all. Not by my nose ring at least.

The question is how do YOU know what displeases god? you put a hole into his creation right? put a whole in a monet and see if that becomes a problem....

The bible tells us what displeases God. Did you even read the scriptures I added to my posts?

101
Who are they to judge you?
Why won't they accept you the way you are?
Did not your God say that only he/she/it can judge?

From other posts and PMs with you I get the impression that this is not the first time they (The church) has looked (?) down on you.

Christianity....
Love thy neighbor?
Judge not lest you be judged?

I don't give a hoot what you personally read into what the bible says it could read either way depending on who's interpreting it........therefore perhaps putting holes in your nose aren't pleasing to your imaginary deity......you won't know until you aren't here anymore, so quit worrying about it and tell that person at your house of worship to mind their own business

Zandore, I have decided that what the church does is not always what God wants. People are going to judge even if God tells us not to. They are mean and have nothing better to do then judge others on their actions. I personally have come to the conclusion that I cannot change them or their opinion about me but by being a good example and not talk about people.

Thanks for the concern though.

I think piercings and tattoos are disguisting, but Im not against it

If god didn't want us to think for ourselfs and do what we want then he wouldn't have created us.

I hope I did not come across as to critical.
If a person wants to go to church they should not have to feel uncomfortable for anyone.

Yes I know Zandore. But I ask others about where they go to church and it is all the same. How can God's people be so mean? He did not intend for church to be a gossip hall or a place to bring your kids to be watched. But to minister to us and teach us about him.

Stupid churches. I don't dislike the church but I wish people in it would not wear a christianity badge to get more tax income back.

Why do you think you need a church to love a god?

Bacca you do not need a church to love God but I like going so I can learn more. I also like my daughter going so she can learn about Jesus,Mary,Moses,Noah,and others. It is a good place to go so you do not backslide.

ive found in churches people judge to try and justify their own sins( again i am not religious but have been before) so usually if someone is trying to say your doing something wrong its because they feel they are and pushing blame onto someone else makes them feel better

Thats how it was when I went to church, I was labeled a "bad seed" because I did not believe I needed to go t church every day or give money to a church that just talked about everyone's problems behind there backs. So no I just stay away from church and me and god have our own arrangement.

I think people should reconsider talking about people at all. This is just not nice.

Ok so wait a sec here. You like a church so that you can learn more and not backslide? so what you can't control your own actions without a church? wow thats amazing to me...so what exactly would a church do to stop you from backsliding as you put it? What about that church has you so dependent on it that you think without it you won't be able to be a good honest caring person anymore? And as for the learning thing, you'll learn about what you want to learn about if you take the time and energy to do it. You can read those books just like your church does geez if your not getting it go buy the 'idiots guide to the bible' I'm pretty sure they make that one now.....but all i'm hearing from you now is what the church said or did that made you feel bad etc. and yet for some odd reason you will still defend this organization like if you didn't you were going to burn for disagreeing with it....What's up with that? do you always need someone to hold your hand and make a decision for you? can you not stand on your own two feet without a church holding you up and telling you right from wrong?

bacca, I did not go to church for 8 yrs. 8 long yrs and during my first yr without going I was alright but I need structure. I am a person who needs a organzation to belong too. Is this so wrong. I read the Bible everyday and I study his word. But I do not think I would be as strong a christian without church.

This is me, other people may go for different reasons. Maybe to gossip.

you need to belong? so this is entirely an issue steming from you needing some group to accept you? perhaps your finding that the church wasn't the group you were looking for? I say this since you say it's been eight long years as if it is a chore rather then something you enjoy as well as they are judging you aren't they? is there anything that you truly like about the church other then it is a group that gives you a routine and someplace to go with people who....well have to accept you....

I like some of the people and the sunday school classes. I also like the fact that the pastor is so nice and loves me and my family no matter what I do. I quit going to church because of a tragedy in my life. My whole family quit because we were angry with God.

not to be mean but you keep repeating that over and over again 101 why is that? I think about 90% of the people who post here have said that they are sorry for your loss how many times do you need to hear it? I would venture a guess that everyone one this site has lost someone or something of importance in their life...this tragedy does not make you different then anyone else.....again i am sorry for your loss i know those things are very hard and painful but in my experience when people keep bringing things like this up they are in search of sympathy....if that is the case fine but if you are looking for people to go easy on you or whatever because you have had a great loss it is not going to happen. you are still alive with a small child there has to come a time when you start living and trying to place blame for everything that goes wrong on your loss or your illegitimate daughter or whatever it is that you pick at the time and then give the credit for everything else to god nothing is your fault right? nothing is in your control? fine if you can live like that whatever but personally i can't see how or why you would live like that

101, sometimes what people say is based on discomfort, misunderstanding, or ignorance. people can be very rigid in their expectations of what others should and should not be: "good girls....", "bad boys....". it is human nature to identify differences. if you offer such a difference that goes against their image of what a person should be and they know nothing else of you, they will exagerate the difference and ignore the rest. imagine 2 people at your church that think the same where one knows you well and the other does not. you go off and get your nose pierced. the person that knows you will not amplify the nosering as much as the one that does not because that person has other information on you from which to draw.

i wonder if they are in the market for a flute player? (a friend happens to be a "body piercer" and lays claim to having 37 rings in man-land. i can confirm he has over 20 from the neck up - 3 tongue, septum, eyebrow, bottom of neck front, middle of neck back, and i guess every named type of ear hole)

Bacca I keep repeating myself because you keep asking the same questions. You seem to not want a answer I give and keep asking. So I give you th same answer not to gain your sympathy. You just have to learn to accept a person's answer....

Hyper, I would love to see your friend. He must be very interesting. You are so right about people though.

101 If the only problems of the world were ear or nose piercings , of course the members of the church are gonna judge you religion teaches judgementalness thats like invititng your friend over thats a theif and they steal from you and you get upset, Take a stand for ourself tell the church its either your way or the highway your mom talked to God and said it was okay for you to have a piercing its a sign of holiness, they'll leave you alone or tell them your under doctors orders for a piercing. 101 it'l be okay. Namaste sheri

Thanks Sherri. I think he just (the guy who disproved) thought that I was bad. Blah I am not bad. I am independant with a nose ring.

101 Bravo Thats right We heard it at UM first 101 has declared her independence and she proudly wears a nose piercing, before god and everybody . Namaste Sheri

And the Lord thy God says: Stand around with white muslin drapes on and do nothing but pray for my mercy. For everything else is a sin.


X) Your god... is a boring god. Atleast my gods have feasts and festivles and the like... and let us get tattoos, peircings, whatever XD

I did research on this a little while ago. I found no information in the Bible about body piercing (except the body piercing Jesus received on the cross ). There are Old Testament references to tattoos, but these are generally related to either [1] - marks of ownership (slaves), or [2] - marks of belonging (tribal rituals).

Many will quote the whole "body is a temple" thing, but looking into that, that passage refers to the community of believers as a whole as a "body" and calls for unity. It does not refer to the individual in any way, shape or form.

So to conclude, I see nothing wrong with piercings or tattoo's, unless they (as with anything) ultimately lead away from worship to God.

That's my take on the matter at least.

Regards, PA

For the record, I have a small tattoo on my left shoulder, and used to have a tongue ring before I got bored of that.