Hi Everyone,
I'd appreciate your help on this A good friend of mine who is Mormon attended a Mormon function and he didn't wear his "special underwear" and it was noticed by all because the shorts he wore to the picnic were short and you would of seen his special underwear, anyways he was shunned by the church members for the entire retreat (3 days) and couldn't figure out why, He Thought it was because he was too old and the majorityy were younger , He found out it was because he
didn't wear the sacred moralistic undergarment ) now he's facing a crisis of faith . So my question is should he stay with thte church or should he overlook this he is concerned if they are this uptight about this what if its something serious like not agreeing with certain doctrines, I know this sounds silly but I want to show him the responses it may help him thanks Sheri
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I have to ask you if this is a joke?
underwear? 
I'd say any organization who would make an issue of underwear isn't worth being involved with!!!
Unless of course your a stripper
I'd say any organization who would make an issue of underwear isn't worth being involved with!!!Unless of course your a stripper
QUOTE(bacca @ Aug 16 2005, 04:19 PM)
underwear? I'd say any organization who would make an issue of underwear isn't worth being involved with!!!
Unless of course your a stripper
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I'd say any organization who would make an issue of underwear isn't worth being involved with!!!Unless of course your a stripper
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HA HA HA HA HA HA thanks Bacca
I agree with Bacca. I always thought religion was supposed to help you in times of need not make you feel bad.
So that is three so far in saying that it was absurd in the reactions at the camp?
Tell him to hit the ground running and don't look back.
So that is three so far in saying that it was absurd in the reactions at the camp?
Tell him to hit the ground running and don't look back.
Ah yes.. I know of these... sacred undies. I live in a highly saturated area for mormons...
Well.. honestly, what he did was a big no no.. no matter how ... anal ... they are about it.
I'm trying so hard not to laugh =(
Well.. honestly, what he did was a big no no.. no matter how ... anal ... they are about it.
I'm trying so hard not to laugh =(
SC, that was awful. Anal. *shakes head*
In my opinion, if you are going to follow a religion you should fully follow all the customs of that religion. If you cannot, obviously it is not for you.
In my opinion, if you are going to follow a religion you should fully follow all the customs of that religion. If you cannot, obviously it is not for you.
*cries* I know.. and I'm trying so hard not to laugh... *snreks* shunned for not wearing his special underoos... *clamps paws over mouth, tears streaming down her face*
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Aug 16 2005, 04:44 PM)
*cries* I know.. and I'm trying so hard not to laugh... *snreks* shunned for not wearing his special underoos... *clamps paws over mouth, tears streaming down her face*
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Burnside thankyou for taking this seriuos
Silver enough my stomach hurts from laughing.
My friend is very sad about this I felt bad for him and I didn't jump athe oppourtunity to pipe in with my non reliious views , the point is this seems so silly but when you beleive in he religion how do you comfort someone who isn't religious and thinks this stuff is absurd?
I do not know much about holy underpants (not holey) , but I think when it comes to the point that a church is shunting you because of your undies, I think its time to look for another more reasonable and sane church.
This borders on the line of humorous and just plain insane.
Anyone that thinks your salvation can be threatened because of ones undies has got to be smoking some seriously strange herbs.
All the best
Faeden
This borders on the line of humorous and just plain insane.
Anyone that thinks your salvation can be threatened because of ones undies has got to be smoking some seriously strange herbs.
All the best
Faeden
Having read extensively on what Mormons believe compared to other Christians I would have thought that the only underwear allowed in Mormonism was a tinfoil hat.
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QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Aug 16 2005, 04:44 PM)
*cries* I know.. and I'm trying so hard not to laugh... *snreks* shunned for not wearing his special underoos... *clamps paws over mouth, tears streaming down her face*
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Burnside thankyou for taking this seriuos
Silver enough my stomach hurts from laughing.
My friend is very sad about this I felt bad for him and I didn't jump athe oppourtunity to pipe in with my non reliious views , the point is this seems so silly but when you beleive in he religion how do yu comfort someone who thinks this stuff is absurd??
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I tried to be serious... But knowing mormons, and ex mormons... It was to much... Hell we used to joke about the clothing thing and the undies all the time =(
Quick review of the Mormons
They are really bad copies of the Quaker with really inacurate geneology records
99% of American Indians hate them
reason 1- They insist we are the lost tribe of the Jews. Not possible.
reason 2- Alot of the Plains tribe massacres were disquised Mormons and they don't put that in your history books They still blame the Lakota, Siksika and the Cheyenne
reason 3- They say a 'Great White Man' visited us and he was Jesus but if that was the case we would of called him the 'Great Brown Man' because being a Semite he would of been darker than us
lapi'che ni'tis
Silver did all the houses look the same like little churches,???My freind was in utah
for this retreat, When I first heard the underwear signifigance I thought it was B.S> and i actually read it on here I knew him before he was mormon and I thought it may be good for him he dabbles abit if you get my point maybe too much for an old dood in to many vices so he was thinking he needed alitle structure, he's grown a tad gave up drinking he lashes out at that now and stands for the legalization of other things anyways he overlooked alot of things about the church until it became personal and now its not funny to him I'm not inferring he deserves this we have had many communications about how can you ignore the treatment of Gays( they are not allowed in the church) its asked when you join. if you have had relations witha man, alot of stuff is top sectret too, Why?????Why can't the general publickknow silver??? Whatever light you can shed would be appreciated Namaste sehri
for this retreat, When I first heard the underwear signifigance I thought it was B.S> and i actually read it on here I knew him before he was mormon and I thought it may be good for him he dabbles abit if you get my point maybe too much for an old dood in to many vices so he was thinking he needed alitle structure, he's grown a tad gave up drinking he lashes out at that now and stands for the legalization of other things anyways he overlooked alot of things about the church until it became personal and now its not funny to him I'm not inferring he deserves this we have had many communications about how can you ignore the treatment of Gays( they are not allowed in the church) its asked when you join. if you have had relations witha man, alot of stuff is top sectret too, Why?????Why can't the general publickknow silver??? Whatever light you can shed would be appreciated Namaste sehri
When I said we.. I mean me and my mormon friends.
I'm sorry your friend was so deeply hurt over this... but when you're on the outside looking in, it's odd. And they would agree.
In the words of the others... any church that would would shun the guy for his skivvies... is not a church to go to. It's like the Whitnesses and the Scienintologists.... You do one thing wrong.. even if it's on the stupidest things... and you're treated like you just burned the entire place of worship down.. or flipped off the priest.
He needs to sit and think seriously... is this form of worship worth people being upset over underwear? I know if I was in his possition, I would have told them to jump off a cliff and find away to worship in my own way (er.. which I kinda did anyways... X) )
I'm sorry your friend was so deeply hurt over this... but when you're on the outside looking in, it's odd. And they would agree.
In the words of the others... any church that would would shun the guy for his skivvies... is not a church to go to. It's like the Whitnesses and the Scienintologists.... You do one thing wrong.. even if it's on the stupidest things... and you're treated like you just burned the entire place of worship down.. or flipped off the priest.
He needs to sit and think seriously... is this form of worship worth people being upset over underwear? I know if I was in his possition, I would have told them to jump off a cliff and find away to worship in my own way (er.. which I kinda did anyways... X) )
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Aug 16 2005, 06:16 PM)
When I said we.. I mean me and my mormon friends.
I'm sorry your friend was so deeply hurt over this... but when you're on the outside looking in, it's odd. And they would agree.
In the words of the others... any church that would would shun the guy for his skivvies... is not a church to go to. It's like the Whitnesses and the Scienintologists.... You do one thing wrong.. even if it's on the stupidest things... and you're treated like you just burned the entire place of worship down.. or flipped off the priest.
He needs to sit and think seriously... is this form of worship worth people being upset over underwear? I know if I was in his possition, I would have told them to jump off a cliff and find away to worship in my own way (er.. which I kinda did anyways... X) )
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I'm sorry your friend was so deeply hurt over this... but when you're on the outside looking in, it's odd. And they would agree.
In the words of the others... any church that would would shun the guy for his skivvies... is not a church to go to. It's like the Whitnesses and the Scienintologists.... You do one thing wrong.. even if it's on the stupidest things... and you're treated like you just burned the entire place of worship down.. or flipped off the priest.
He needs to sit and think seriously... is this form of worship worth people being upset over underwear? I know if I was in his possition, I would have told them to jump off a cliff and find away to worship in my own way (er.. which I kinda did anyways... X) )
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Silver oops sorry I meant no offense to you or your friends my friend and I too have had alot of laughs (its almost as if he's two different people my regular friend who's normal and laughs and sees the silliness in church) and then he's the "Mormon guy" I too am sorry he is hurt your right he has to decide who he is in relationship to this I can't do it for him.-He said he is seriously questioning his faith , thanks for your input. Namaste sheri
well that was my lesson for the day. i don't know any mormons or anything of the mormon ways. i like utah though! it is a friendly place.
all groups have rituals, some groups are more rigid than others. if one's personal attitude is similar to the group structure then all is fine. if the differences are enough to raise big questions, then those questions need to be answered by the individual. it is not likely the group will change for one, so is one willing to change for the group? faith.... place faith in one's own faith, and not let a ritual (which is about belonging to a group, not about spirituality) be the guide.
all groups have rituals, some groups are more rigid than others. if one's personal attitude is similar to the group structure then all is fine. if the differences are enough to raise big questions, then those questions need to be answered by the individual. it is not likely the group will change for one, so is one willing to change for the group? faith.... place faith in one's own faith, and not let a ritual (which is about belonging to a group, not about spirituality) be the guide.
Having a brother that was a Mormon (now excommunicated and safely an agnostic) I have an idea of the "special underwear" that you speak of. When a Mormon makes the pilgrimage to the Temple in Salt Lake (or any of the other locations,don't know how many they have), in almost the same manner of the Muslims. After he/she goes through the mumbo-jumbo associated with this pilgrimage, he/she is awarded the "Garment" and must wear it (I'm sure you must be able to acquire other sets- otherwise...the mind boggleth!) at all times to show their love of Jesus and their dedication to the Church. He broke a cardinal rule in doing as he did (but my brother says most Mormons do it too at one time or another). There is a rule that if the Garment will hold you up to secular ridicule, you can suspend wearing it while in that situation. This was a church function, so that didn't apply, it seems that only his "vanity" would have applied. I am not supporting their side, just playing "devil's advocate" and explaining what little I know of the organization and it's beliefs.
Thankyou Hyper and Pontious Pilate !!
Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
Hi Sherri, I read about these undergarments.
Following the washing and anointing ceremonies in the LDS temple ceremony, the patron is then assisted in putting on the "Garment of the Holy Priesthood." Originally this garment closely resembled a pair of long underwear and was only available in a one-piece style. Today, however; some temple Mormons choose to wear a modified two-piece version. Unique to this garment are markings sewn into them which are similar to those used in Freemasonry. Over the right breast is a buttonhole which resembles a "square" (looks like a backward L); over the left breast is a "compass" (resembling a capital V). Sewn into the abdomen and knee area is another marking which looks like an ordinary button-hole.
During their pre-endowment instructions, participants are told that if they are true and faithful to the covenants they will make in the ceremony, their "Garment of the Holy Priesthood "will be a shield, and a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have finished your work here on earth." Temple Mormons are also told that this garment must be worn throughout their lives and represents the garment given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.
I see why they would be mad at him. But maybe if he is Mormon and chooses to stay with that organization he should explain to them why he choose not to wear the undergarment. He is in a position where he either forgot them or thought that he would go unnoticed.
If I wear Mormon I would have taken this seriously. It is the same as other religions with covering the females body and showing nothing but their eyes. It is what they believe and should be honoured.
I hope this helps.
Following the washing and anointing ceremonies in the LDS temple ceremony, the patron is then assisted in putting on the "Garment of the Holy Priesthood." Originally this garment closely resembled a pair of long underwear and was only available in a one-piece style. Today, however; some temple Mormons choose to wear a modified two-piece version. Unique to this garment are markings sewn into them which are similar to those used in Freemasonry. Over the right breast is a buttonhole which resembles a "square" (looks like a backward L); over the left breast is a "compass" (resembling a capital V). Sewn into the abdomen and knee area is another marking which looks like an ordinary button-hole.
During their pre-endowment instructions, participants are told that if they are true and faithful to the covenants they will make in the ceremony, their "Garment of the Holy Priesthood "will be a shield, and a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have finished your work here on earth." Temple Mormons are also told that this garment must be worn throughout their lives and represents the garment given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.
I see why they would be mad at him. But maybe if he is Mormon and chooses to stay with that organization he should explain to them why he choose not to wear the undergarment. He is in a position where he either forgot them or thought that he would go unnoticed.
If I wear Mormon I would have taken this seriously. It is the same as other religions with covering the females body and showing nothing but their eyes. It is what they believe and should be honoured.
I hope this helps.
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Aug 17 2005, 12:54 PM)
Thankyou Hyper and Pontious Pilate !!
Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
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Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
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My definition of faith is beliving in something even if there is no proof there of it but following it regaurdless no matter what is shown to you that it is false....it's not knowing something or feeling it its believing it no matter what
QUOTE(101 @ Aug 17 2005, 10:05 AM)
Hi Sherri, I read about these undergarments.
Following the washing and anointing ceremonies in the LDS temple ceremony, the patron is then assisted in putting on the "Garment of the Holy Priesthood." Originally this garment closely resembled a pair of long underwear and was only available in a one-piece style. Today, however; some temple Mormons choose to wear a modified two-piece version. Unique to this garment are markings sewn into them which are similar to those used in Freemasonry. Over the right breast is a buttonhole which resembles a "square" (looks like a backward L); over the left breast is a "compass" (resembling a capital V). Sewn into the abdomen and knee area is another marking which looks like an ordinary button-hole.
During their pre-endowment instructions, participants are told that if they are true and faithful to the covenants they will make in the ceremony, their "Garment of the Holy Priesthood "will be a shield, and a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have finished your work here on earth." Temple Mormons are also told that this garment must be worn throughout their lives and represents the garment given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.
I see why they would be mad at him. But maybe if he is Mormon and chooses to stay with that organization he should explain to them why he choose not to wear the undergarment. He is in a position where he either forgot them or thought that he would go unnoticed.
If I wear Mormon I would have taken this seriously. It is the same as other religions with covering the females body and showing nothing but their eyes. It is what they believe and should be honoured.
I hope this helps.
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Following the washing and anointing ceremonies in the LDS temple ceremony, the patron is then assisted in putting on the "Garment of the Holy Priesthood." Originally this garment closely resembled a pair of long underwear and was only available in a one-piece style. Today, however; some temple Mormons choose to wear a modified two-piece version. Unique to this garment are markings sewn into them which are similar to those used in Freemasonry. Over the right breast is a buttonhole which resembles a "square" (looks like a backward L); over the left breast is a "compass" (resembling a capital V). Sewn into the abdomen and knee area is another marking which looks like an ordinary button-hole.
During their pre-endowment instructions, participants are told that if they are true and faithful to the covenants they will make in the ceremony, their "Garment of the Holy Priesthood "will be a shield, and a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have finished your work here on earth." Temple Mormons are also told that this garment must be worn throughout their lives and represents the garment given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.
I see why they would be mad at him. But maybe if he is Mormon and chooses to stay with that organization he should explain to them why he choose not to wear the undergarment. He is in a position where he either forgot them or thought that he would go unnoticed.
If I wear Mormon I would have taken this seriously. It is the same as other religions with covering the females body and showing nothing but their eyes. It is what they believe and should be honoured.
I hope this helps.
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101 thankyou it does help where did you find this I'd appreciate a link thanks again sheri
QUOTE(101 @ Aug 17 2005, 03:23 PM)
http://www.gregandsheila.com/ag/mormon8.htm
This is where I got it.
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This is where I got it.
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Merci beaucoup mon amie (thankyou much dear friend ) Namaste Sheri
Your welcome. It was very interesting indeed. I must say I was speechless.
Did anyone notice that the add for e-bay at the top of the page. It said mormon underwear, but when clicked on it you didn't get mormon underwear you got pretty ladies in underwear that was anything but mormon.
When I go to ritual I have a dress code. I can wear ritual garb or be naked. If you wear ritual garb (which I do) your not suppose to wear underwear, but it is no big deal if you do. If you brake the rules you are given a warning. If you brake the rules three times you will be punched for three moons. You can't go to ritual in other words.
I am sure your friend was hurt. If your in a group your suppose to follow the rules. What I think was rattie was they didn't tell him right away and give him a chance to change into the proper clothes. That to me was wrong. I wouldn't stay in a group as cruel as that.
When I go to ritual I have a dress code. I can wear ritual garb or be naked. If you wear ritual garb (which I do) your not suppose to wear underwear, but it is no big deal if you do. If you brake the rules you are given a warning. If you brake the rules three times you will be punched for three moons. You can't go to ritual in other words.
I am sure your friend was hurt. If your in a group your suppose to follow the rules. What I think was rattie was they didn't tell him right away and give him a chance to change into the proper clothes. That to me was wrong. I wouldn't stay in a group as cruel as that.
My one and only suggestion is to leave the Mormon faith immediately and go and read some of the actual texts himself (i.e. the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD). God doesn't live in a church, and you don't need to be in one to find Him.
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My one and only suggestion is to leave the Mormon faith immediately and go and read some of the actual texts himself (i.e. the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD). God doesn't live in a church, and you don't need to be in one to find Him.
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Thankyou Darkwind, It was mean he is crushed about it, He didn't get any kind of warning he was immediatley shunned by supposed Friends thas what I found odd, would we want friends tah twould not even give the benefit of the doubt??
Thankyou Ashley I think the same thing , I did actually suggest maybe he should read the bible cover to cover and decide if this is his cup of tea, I think if this happens once it could happen again over anything, 1010 ws so kind as to provide a link and he is learning alot wht he didn't know, , I think he wants to be part of a church but not a dogma .Namaste sheri
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QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Aug 17 2005, 12:54 PM)
Thankyou Hyper and Pontious Pilate !!
Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
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Pontious I loved that your brother is safley a agnostic thats a great way of putting it, .
I didn't look at it that deeply either to tell the truth "ritual" that which denotes you are part of the group??
I think Hyper said it very well put your faith in yourself and thats the question for him now, does he lose himself to be part of the group or does he keep himself and see he "needs no group" How strong is the need? Isn't religion about "need" Can anyone give me a good definition of faith I'm having a hard time with that. Namaste sheri
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My definition of faith is beliving in something even if there is no proof there of it but following it regaurdless no matter what is shown to you that it is false....it's not knowing something or feeling it its believing it no matter what
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Tahnks bacca this is avery good definiton. Namaste Sheri
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