Hi all

This is supposed to be taken at the time of someone’s death, in the 50s or 60s maybe earlier, it was not uncommon in them days for people to take photos of peoples deaths, especially in spiritualists circles.



Here is the information I found to accompany the photo.

Cindy writes, "This picture was brought to my attention by the lady who develops my pictures. She told me that it was taken right as the mother took her last gasp of air. Her husband had died before she had. Given the time of the era, trick photography was unheard of. What do you think?"

All the best
Faeden

Thats cool.

that is really cool but im not sure what that is?

I think people who sign off with thier name when its right there in the avatar are pompous idiots. We know your name dude give it a rest.

I dunno, they were still able to get ghoststudy.com at the top of the pic, then I take it, they could also manipulate it in anyother way they may of wanted.

lol its his spirit.

That is a neat photograph. Perhaps it is a real soul leaving her body. That is awesome. I think it is real. I mean why would a person lie. But I believe a lot of things to be true. Especially when it comes to spirits.

Excuse me? I do it to be polite

All the best
Faeden

That is rude and uncalled for. Faeden can sign off any way he wishes.

Regards, 101

Why you gotta be an ass about it. its peoples choice if u dont like thats fine but the world doesnt revolve around you. sorry dont mean to sound mean but hey.

touched a nerve did we? well I equate that with talking in the third person about yourself witch is pretty stupid. The all the best is good but I don't need the name cause its your post and its right there on your card.

Caustic? If Faeden wants to sign his posts at the end with his name he is perfectly entitled to do so. Let's have less of the petty personal jibes at other members please.

Faeden, a valued member with class.
Caustic, welcome to UM, chill out friend..... ... you'll be surprised how much help you can get around here when being polite...

You do not exactly come across as the nicest person in the world do you Caustic

good way to make new friends caustic.
Alot of the people on these boards use signatures.. if it bothers you that much you can leave... so you wont have to deal with it.

OK people, back on topic please.

Caustic, read the pm I am about to send you before posting or pm'ing again.

i know its suppose to be a spirit.I was talking about in detail I can't tell is its a face or light or a triangular shape or something like that.

The picture does boosts up my Faith in the after-life and it creeps me out! If its not real , is it blind faith ? I also wonder what the heck it is. I have one question though. Does the spirit have control of themselves after death or is there some tractor beam and pulls the spirit? Nice picture Faeden

Well, I COULD stand up for you Faeden, but I know I dont need to. Your reputation speaks for itself and anyone who has been around any length of time knows what a nice guy you are.

SOOOO........to get the thread back on topic: I think it is a neat picture. I cant say for sure of course but I like to think it is real.

I have seen other pictures of supposed spirits leaving their bodies and usually they look like mist or smoke rising from the body.

Who can tell.....

Neat picture though!



MARY JO ( )

LOL @ Tractor beams.

From what I have learnt, its mostly about free will, some choose to ignore the calling that is often reported, and some go with it, there is supposed to be a overwhelming sensation of being called home and most follow that feeling and desire to leave and go to where ever is calling them. Going on near deaths experiences it seems that most report a tunnel of light, again that seems to be calling them home, some go with it, some do not, again I think its all to do with free will. I am just going to go with the flow when my time comes. Saying that though, another common experiences is dying and all of a sudden waking up in a beautiful field or meadow, which would not be free will.

Oh and thanks everyone for sticking up for me..

All the best
Faeden

I am not trying to be a skeptic here, but I believe I have seen this picture before and it was proven a hoax. I could be wrong though, I could be thinking of a different picture.



Looking back at my post, I realize it is completely pointless, I didn't exactly add anything to the conversation. Sorry about that.

Could it be the person's spirit existing the human form? Would be great if others could try to get that exact type of capture on film but now a days it's not really accepted to be taking photos of a dying person. Out of respect.

I read something similar to this. Some guys were experimenting on a dying person whether or not if the soul would leave the body. They were using some special equipment to watch the person (forgot what) and they saw a white light dissapearing into the air.

i wonder what happens to you if you dont go into the light???

I have heard before that when you die you need to be at peace with yourself in order to actually escape this material world and go onto the next plane of existence. Kinda of like you need to forgive yourself for the things that you have done. Sometimes we are our own worst critic.

That’s what I believe too, although I do not believe people stay trapped on earth if they are not at peace as "a punishment" but will not be able to move on with there spiritual ladder if you like, spirits can still go to the spirit world or heaven if you like (many do not though through choice or ignorance or fear) but might not be able to continue on with there spiritual progression until karmic debt if you like is taken care of, or until there earthly things have been resolved, which often means being forgiven by both the person(s) you harmed and your self, as you say we are our worst judge jury and executioner.



Then you wonder about on earth or a location until your ready, again its all about free will, I can imagine the option of moving on is always there for a earthed spirit, it just needs the will to do so, in order for it to happen. Remember the spirit is the consciousness of us, its our thoughts our thoughts shape who we become and determine the choices we make, think it and it will be so. Spirits no longer have physical restrictions, it just takes some of them time to realise that.

These are what I believe would be most likely anyway.

All the best

Faeden

I agree on that dr1273: I think its disrespectable to take pictures of dying or dead ones. I remember when I was helping a friend that was moving and he dropped a box of pictures. The pictures on the ground didn’t look right so I helped him picking up the pictures and some of them were pictures of funerals! Quite ghoulish I had thought. The photographs were some of his grandparents and relatives. I asked him why do you take pictures of dead ppl and he replied by saying is to remember the death and send the pictures off to distant relatives. Little off-topic but it's quite a mystery. I cant still believe that ppl still carry out the customary of taking pictures of dead ppl
“What a comfort it is to possess the image of those who are removed from our sight. We may raise an image of them in our minds but that has not the tangibility of one we can see with our bodily eyes"
Flora A Windeyer in a letter to Rev. John Blomfield, November 1870
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Edit-Removed pics. I see absolutely no point in having posted those pictures. I have removed them because they could be very offensive and disturbing to other members.
-UA

OK there is something very creepy and disturbing about them last two photos.....

Those are a bit creepy. Kinda reminds me of the movie the others ya know.

I agree with you Faeden . I think we are here until our karma is cleared. What you posted makes sense to me

yeah those look like those pictures from that movie "The Others" where they were living in that house and they didnt realize they were the dead. Why would you want pics of dead relatives i rather look at pics of when they were alive and happy.

Exact same thing with me, I was at my grandmothers place, and she is with a new man, that is outside of our family. Nonetheless, I was going through his picture album, and they had photo's of the relatives during the funeral.

Asked him why he would take pictures of his dead relatives, and he pretty much relayed the same message to me " I thought it would be a good idea to get one last picture and glimpse of our relatives."

I find whenever I have gone to funerals, Im quite disgusted on they way they are dressed. Of course, it never looks like the person, if they wear glasses, they never have them on and so fourth. It's certainly not something I would like cataloged.

I think it’s actually a very good picture, it seems really original. The web site name would have probably been put on by the site, so it doesn’t necessarily mean the people who took the photo put it there. As for the picture itself it doesn’t look like posed picture, the only explanation I have is that it was painted on the wall behind. Thanks for sharing Faeden.

I kinda thought it would be disturbing to some. Sorry, I didnt mean to offend anyone. Now it makes me think of Faeden's picture, isnt that disturbing and offensive to others? Nothing at you Faeden.

Hi Peako

Your right. Ghoststudy.com always put there name on top of the photos they have sent to them.

All the best
Faeden

Hi

No I agree mine is kind of disturbing, it was just the babies thing, its a little shocking when you see them. It was a good example of how people used to take photos of the dead in them days.

All the best
Faeden

Just want to address the misconception Cindy puts forward above.

Since the very beginning of photography, "trick photography" has been practiced, sometimes accidentally, sometimes deliberately. It was in fact a popular practice early in the last century to do double-exposures or darkroom burn-ins of the image of a departed loved one, thus allowing them to be in family portraits... Trick photography is nothing new, just easier now in the digital age.

I have seen a number of these "moment of death" photos. There was also a doctor who weighed patients at the moment of their death, trying to see if there was some loss of weight as the spirit left. He actually did it, as I recall, on his son and wife! - put them on very accurate scales as they were dying. I'll see if I can track down this reference.

Hi sbd43

Thanks for the reply, this could very well be faked yes, as faked photos are nothing new, but older photos do have more validity to them.

I have read about the spirits losing weight at the moment of death, its a interesting study too.

All the best
Faeden

I did some re-search, and found that when you die, the weight that was once thought to be the soul leaving the body was in fact evaporation of moisture leaving your lungs as you exhale your last breath.

why are you posting pictures from ghost study faeden???? okay i'm not write going to write anything bec i might piss you off and i dont want to do that. im withholding my footages,sounds and pictures till some professionals come here and see them. faeden you are wannabe investigator. sorry but you are wasting your time spamming. the orb picture you previously posted, i think you know better and you obviously didnt listen to these fine clever people about orbs. i do resad your posts and..... well you figure it out

I think its funny how people come on forums and start drama for no reason. There is little to no chance of a face to face confrontation happening and no reason for it to happen. Its even more funny when you realize they add nothing to the discussion ever because thir too busy scrutinizing everybody elses posts. Its sad that this is thir entertainment. If it bothers you that much, poke out your eyes.

Firstly, is there any reason why Faeden should NOT post pictures from ghost study?

If you do not like any thread in particular, no one is forcing you to read it let alone reply.


Back on topic please everyone

It wasn't all that accurate.

Dr. Duncan MacDougall, back in 1907, put six dying people on cots placed on spring loaded scales which he bough from a fish market. No exactly laboratory conditions. He actually had to dismiss two of the six due to variables that even he couldn't ignore. His final tally came to 21 grams for the remaining bodies (an average of the weights), or the weight of a few paperclips (this from scales used to weigh fish).

He then attempted to test his theory again, using dogs. He measured no weight change whatsoever. He hailed this as a great success, and proof of his theory, because, according to his faith, dogs do not have souls.

To be fair, he did the best he could with what little he had, however the entire project was a comedy of errors.

Here's a quick overview:

21 Grams

So what if your waiting on professional analysis. He isn't so drop it. I for one enjoy reading his posts and viewing his pictures and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Hi aquatus1

Yes the guy that did the tests said that there was no change in the dogs, being he already had a belief that they did not have souls, so its not surprising he came up with that, so that he could prove his arrogant theory.

I on the other had have had experiences where I am 100 % positive that animals also have souls, in fact more so than us humans, being we are also animals, yet are the most brutal, dangerous and undeserving of all animals of a soul.

If animals where not apart of god's big plan so to speak, I would not want to be apart of that plan Its a good thing they are though.

Cheers Baldwin

Hi longshowers



You do not piss me off, just humour me. I looked at your other posts towards people, and really became unconcerned as to what you have to say Also if you look, I said I believed the orbs where dust, I have also done photos proving that orbs are dust. Also I have been on many paranormal investigations with many professional groups, have you?

All the best
Faeden

So that is how a spirit looks like COOL

hmmm... it looks like it could be something on the wood panels behind the bed, such as mold or something.

but if this is what leaves the body after death, its pretty interesting. and it would account for the sudden 15? grams that is somehow lost when we die. (not to sure if its 15 grams or not :\) I remember a bunch of scientists mentioning the sudden loss of weight after we have died or passed on.

Hi Leliel

The thing is, the spirit is mental, or our consciousness, its the fact that are we self aware that makes us conscious of our selves, how can your consciousness or mind weigh anything? Only physical mass can be measured in weight.

All the best
Faeden

And the thing about the 21 grams is discussed on page 3, with a good link to an overview of the whole thing.

ack >_< I know, I posted the reply before reading others comments. I be sure to read before I post from now on. sorry.

but what if our spirit or soul is not mental, but an entity or essence.