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GhostDJR
Okay a simple question. Everything is made of energy, right? If I'm made of energy and a chair is made of energy. What's stopping me from using my energy to affect the energy of the chair. If I could I would be moving it using telekinesis, which is an obcious duh. So what's the block that's stopping my energy from affecting something elses?
Nadia Blue
I really don't know much about this stuff. Is the chair energy? If so, maybe it's a different kind of energy? I don't know. Curious to see responses, though.
GhostDJR
QUOTE(WannabeSkeptic @ Aug 19 2005, 03:45 PM)
I really don't know much about this stuff.  Is the chair energy?  If so, maybe it's a different kind of energy?  I don't know.  Curious to see responses, though.
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I don't think so. We're all made up from atoms which relates to energy somehow I think. But every atom has different electrons and neutrons. Things like that.
Ignis_Fatuus
I'm just going out on a limb on this...
Maybe you've thought of a new type of moving things? I mean create a 'tunnel' of psi between you and the chair and visualize the chair and you moving?
GhostDJR
QUOTE(Ignis_Fatuus @ Aug 19 2005, 06:14 PM)
I'm just going out on a limb on this...
Maybe you've thought of a new type of moving things? I mean create a 'tunnel' of psi between you and the chair and visualize the chair and you moving?
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I don't know, maybe. But when I meant energy I wasn't refering to psi. The energy that's in the science books. wink2.gif
Ignis_Fatuus
Isn't psi energy?
GhostDJR
QUOTE(Ignis_Fatuus @ Aug 19 2005, 06:51 PM)
Isn't psi energy?
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Yes, but scientist would like to disagree. I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining myself. I'm asking this question from a scientific veiw point.
ajagsfairy
Hmmmmm i guess keep practicing maybe start with smaller objects such as maybe a pencil and work your way up to bigger objects such as the chair. I know telekinesis is easier for teens to do for some reason the only person i knew who could do stuff only could when she was angry and that was mainly blow light bulbs and fuses and break things. Maybe try really focusing using strong energy from your guts and let it flow out while concetrating on moving something small. Practice makes perfect. Good luck to you. Blessings, Jo
GhostDJR
QUOTE(ajagsfairy @ Aug 19 2005, 07:35 PM)
Hmmmmm i guess keep practicing maybe start with smaller objects such as maybe a pencil and work your way up to bigger objects such as the chair. I know telekinesis is easier for teens to do for some reason the only person i knew who could do stuff only could when she was angry and that was mainly blow light bulbs and fuses and break things. Maybe try really focusing using strong energy from your guts and let it flow out while concetrating on moving something small. Practice makes perfect. Good luck to you. Blessings, Jo
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happy.gif When I said chair I was just using a physical object for reference. Thanks anyways. original.gif
isis-999
Ghost, I can not say for sure, but perhaps it would be because there is positive and negitive engery, and they affect each other in different ways thus you may be one type of engery, and the chair may be the other..Just a thought.
GhostDJR
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Aug 19 2005, 09:01 PM)
Ghost, I can not say for sure, but perhaps it would be because there is positive and negitive engery, and they affect each other in different  ways thus you may be one type of engery, and the chair may be the other..Just a thought.
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But, there are other things with a positive energy. So they would attract to me if that theory were correct. huh.gif
StalingradK
Psi isn't energy, it's the manipulation of the energy around you, you can harvest energy around you, but you must be in a state of mind and use higher percentage of your brain, I think the higher% of brain power you can use, the more transmittion it can put out
aquatus1
QUOTE(GhostDJR @ Aug 19 2005, 11:22 PM)
Okay a simple question. Everything is made of energy, right? If I'm made of energy and a chair is made of energy. What's stopping me from using my energy to affect the energy of the chair. If I could I would be moving it using telekinesis, which is an obcious duh. So what's the block that's stopping my energy from affecting something elses?
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It sounds like you are referring to energy at the quantum level. Assuming this is the case, then reason you cannot manipulate it is as follows:

Energy at the quantum level is not the freely flowing and forming thing we think of when we think of electricity. The existence of energy (at the quantum level) is defined by the work that it is doing. Thus, when you refer to the energy of, say, a chair, what you are referring to is the energy that forms the bonds between the molecules and atoms that make up the composition of the chair. A lot of people think of quantum energy in terms of the Matrix movies, where everything is just different variations of the same characters. It doesn't work quite that way.

So, having understood that, you must also understand that, at the quantum level, you and the chair are indistinguishable. Were you to fly an atom sized spaceship through the quantum realm, you would be unable to tell when you left the conglomeration of atoms known as 'yourself', entered the conglomeration known as 'air', and went into the conglomeration known as 'chair'. At this level, everything is nothing more than molecules and atoms and the energy in between them, along with a whole lot of empty space. What does this mean? This means that you are no more able to affect the energy of another object than you are able to affect the energy of yourself. A chair cannot decided to become anything other than a chair; there is a specific amount of energy holding together its atomic structure, and unless that energy is overcome by a greater amount of energy, then it will remain as it is. Similarly, a human cannot simply decide to alter the energy within itself either; unless the basic mathematics of addition and subtraction are met, the energy remains where it is.

But, you say, a human has a brain, and a chair does not. True, but you must remember that a brain only exists at the macro level. At the quantum level, there is no brain, no hands, no body, nor air, nor chair. All that exists are molecules, atoms, and the energy between them.

The example you gave can be thought of as comparing yourself to the water in a steak. Since you are 70% water, and the steak is pretty close to that (assuming it is fresh), then you should be able to affect the water within the steak with your water. I hope that this makes it clear that the example you gave is conceptually incorrect. While it is an ancient belief, there is no evidence that any law of similarity exists, and this is why that belief died out back in the middle ages. Back then, it was thought that the similarity between objects imparted a certain connection to them, ergo, a woman who had too much wine prior to giving birth was at risk of having a baby with a wine stain birthmark, or that a coin made of pure gold would purify the poison from a drink (a practice which, while popular among royal taste testers, lost favor among the VIPs themselves).
GhostDJR
You said that we CAN affect our own energy though, right? Wel, if you could get in the right perfect state of mind you could do some form of telekinesis. Please point out my mistakes because I probably mis understood you.
Ignis_Fatuus
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Aug 20 2005, 05:50 AM)
Psi isn't energy, it's the manipulation of the energy around you, you can harvest energy around you, but you must be in a state of mind and use higher percentage of your brain, I think the higher% of brain power you can use, the more transmittion it can put out
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Umm...yes, psi IS energy and the last time I did anything psi-related I was in a 'neutral' mood, not in a trance or anything(although it helps slightly). I think you are talking about different types of PK like CK, PK or EK. hmm.gif
GhostDJR
QUOTE(Ignis_Fatuus @ Aug 20 2005, 08:56 AM)
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Aug 20 2005, 05:50 AM)
Psi isn't energy, it's the manipulation of the energy around you, you can harvest energy around you, but you must be in a state of mind and use higher percentage of your brain, I think the higher% of brain power you can use, the more transmittion it can put out
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Umm...yes, psi IS energy and the last time I did anything psi-related I was in a 'neutral' mood, not in a trance or anything(although it helps slightly). I think you are talking about different types of PK like CK, PK or EK. hmm.gif
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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned PSI is in you.
aquatus1
QUOTE(GhostDJR @ Aug 20 2005, 04:03 PM)
You said that we CAN affect our own energy though, right? Wel, if you could get in the right perfect state of mind you could do some form of telekinesis. Please point out my mistakes because I probably mis understood you.
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Ahh, no. I said we cannot affect our own energy. Putting aside whether or not the human brain can manipulate energy, the concept that needs to be understood here is that at the quantum level, no such thing as the brain exists. The brain, the body, the air, the chair, are indistinguishable from each other. Let's say that you are water (or energy) in a bag, and the chair is water in another bag. You can put both bags in a tank and clearly tell where one bag of water begins and another one clearly ends. At the quantum level, though, it is as if the bags are gone, and the water is all in the tank without them. It is impossible to tell where the water that is you ends, and the water that is the chair begins.

Now, returning to the idea of the mind affecting energy...the mind works at the level of ionic exchange. In other words, the only energy presnt in the human brain exists solely as the difference between the amount of Sodium (Na) ions within a neuron and the Potassium (K) ions outside. The two types of atoms are mechanically shuttle in and out of the neuron through the Sodium-Potassium (NaK) Pump. When the difference is greater than 70 millivolts, the neuron activates, and starts the process over again.

In other words, the energy within the mind is not the same energy as the quantum realm. The energy of the mind is electrochemical, derived from the exchange of ions. The energy of the quantum world is nuclear, derived as the very force that binds atoms together.
StalingradK
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creature_oF the NighT
yes u could move the object but it whould take 5 time the energy and u can use your energy for other things llike if your an i fight with some1 u can take there energy to give your body a bost and your apoinet sry cant spell will slowy get tired/ have u ever had the feeling some1 is behind u or beside u and there is only a lamp or some sort of object that gives of energy thats just your body obsorbing the energy


ps you can also yell your self buy useing your energy to hard to explain and im to lazy to tape all the **** sry hahah didnt know therre was spell check
creature_oF the NighT
u can too
Nadia Blue
Question. If at the end of your post you noticed the spell check, why didn't you use it? hmm.gif
mrs.oldham4
they key ingredient is faith. Know that you can move the chair with your mind.
RaginCajun
QUOTE(GhostDJR @ Aug 19 2005, 05:22 PM)
Okay a simple question. Everything is made of energy, right? If I'm made of energy and a chair is made of energy. What's stopping me from using my energy to affect the energy of the chair. If I could I would be moving it using telekinesis, which is an obcious duh. So what's the block that's stopping my energy from affecting something elses?
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well, let me help you out. i am not the best at physics but will try. your answer to energy meaning "atoms:

we are all made of atoms or "energy" as you say.
nothing is stoping you from using your energy to exert energy to a chair.

know you said "IF I COULD". well, you can't and it is impossible. so this topic was doomed from the start.
Insight
QUOTE(GhostDJR @ Aug 19 2005, 03:22 PM)
Okay a simple question. Everything is made of energy, right? If I'm made of energy and a chair is made of energy. What's stopping me from using my energy to affect the energy of the chair. If I could I would be moving it using telekinesis, which is an obcious duh. So what's the block that's stopping my energy from affecting something elses?
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Actually, you have it backwards. Not every particle is energy. BUT, all particles are matter. Energy is a special type of matter that moves incredibly fast. This gives it properties that slower moving matter does not have.

Also, nothing is stopping you from using energy from effecting the chair. Our bodies utilize kinetic energy, which is, the energy behind an object in motion. Because the matter in your hand and the matter in the chair are both slow moving types of matter, they directly interact with each other through a similiar type of slow moving energy: kinetic energy. This can be observed when you use your hand to knock over the chair.

You have to understand that there are different types of matter, different states of matter, different types of energy, and different states of energy.
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