__Kratos__
Aug 29 2005, 05:32 AM
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Aug 28 2005, 04:47 AM)
I seriously doubt that 25% of Americans listen to Rap.
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So do I.
QUOTE(seeking @ Aug 28 2005, 10:45 PM)
i would say probably about 50% of the youth population listen to rap
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I hope not!
Though I do tend to hear it a lot... idiots going around with their bass system. With c
rap like that who needs ears?
OneEye
Aug 29 2005, 05:42 AM
QUOTE(seeking @ Aug 28 2005, 10:45 PM)
i would say probably about 50% of the youth population listen to rap
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True here.
QUOTE(_hAiLO_ @ Aug 29 2005, 12:13 AM)
Strangely, I think those who listen to Metal/Heavy-Rock absolutely HATE rap. And yes, I have my primary sources.
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*Raises hand*
And why is that strange?
Mr Ed
Aug 29 2005, 10:11 AM
I like Rock, Alternative, other stuff, and some heavy music, I still like Kanye West a bit...
Mandy74
Aug 29 2005, 11:20 AM
I am into my heavy metal, & was heavily into thrash music when I was younger(the harder & faster the better!). As I've got older I've become more open minded & like what I like & that's it. This is one heavy metal chick that also likes rap!
_hAiLO_
Aug 29 2005, 01:07 PM
QUOTE(OneEye @ Aug 28 2005, 09:42 PM)
*Raises hand*
And why is that strange?
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I think so because I find a little similarity between Rock and Metal. (some) people who listen to rock also like rap. But it went to opposite with metal, I just kinda find that strange.
But its not too strange...
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This is one heavy metal chick that also likes rap!
I'm glad your open to the many branches of music. I listen to rock(and metal) a lot too, but not too much...
seeking
Aug 30 2005, 03:41 AM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Aug 29 2005, 05:32 AM)
I hope not!
Though I do tend to hear it a lot... idiots going around with their bass system. With c
rap like that who needs ears?
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hahaha, i have a 900w system in my car
its not
that loud
Euphoric Deception
Aug 30 2005, 08:48 AM
^ Is this one of those cars where it's just loud and obnoxious for the people around them but just sounds like normal music inside their car? It is hard to describe but for the people outside they can't even tell where the sound is coming from. I was next to one of these cars on a stop light one day and the guy infront of me stepped out of his car looking all confused LOL.
_hAiLO_
Aug 31 2005, 03:52 AM
I don't mind bumping your system, its cool and all. But rolling down the windows?!? I feel like pulling out a monkey wrench and ready to take 36 charges of road rage!!
OneEye
Aug 31 2005, 04:48 PM
I know what you mean. When I'm old enough to drive, I'm just gonna drive up to those people, put some Godsmack or something in, roll down the windows, and blow that right in their cars.
Meji
Sep 1 2005, 04:59 AM
rap is corrupting everything
... they corrupted the minds of are children to think that rap is better than all the other music... its sad to think that they will never enjoy the beauty of good old rock and roll.
_hAiLO_
Sep 1 2005, 05:08 AM
QUOTE(Meji @ Aug 31 2005, 08:59 PM)
rap is corrupting everything
... they corrupted the minds of are children to think that rap is better than all the other music... its sad to think that they will never enjoy the beauty of good old rock and roll.
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I respect your opinion and all, but since we're spilling out our emotions, i'll be honest. I think your being biased
seeking
Sep 1 2005, 09:35 PM
QUOTE(Euphoric Deception @ Aug 30 2005, 08:48 AM)
^ Is this one of those cars where it's just loud and obnoxious for the people around them but just sounds like normal music inside their car? It is hard to describe but for the people outside they can't even tell where the sound is coming from. I was next to one of these cars on a stop light one day and the guy infront of me stepped out of his car looking all confused LOL.
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i have my lows and highs powered, so its not just the bass that is amplified, the vocals are as well, however i dont know if that answerd your question....i do drive with my windows down though, i need the fresh air or ill get car sick, i even drive with them down in the winter!
Mr. Blonde
Sep 2 2005, 07:30 AM
I used to be a former rap listener in my earlier years, I saw the light and put that filth behind me. A friend and I came to a conclusion similar to this, rap music is making a generation of kids angry all the time. Its all ballas and b*****s. Its a shame, a damn shame really. I wouldnt mind if things were like the earlier rap, but everythings stupid and the same now. The rap fad died out I'd say, now the kids are all faggy wimp goth kids. Chef said it best when he said "Last year you kids were all trying to be black, now youre all trying to be gay."
seeking
Sep 2 2005, 04:02 PM
haha thats a funny southpark quote, but as for the rap being all about ballas and b*****s, who sings about that stuff? nas, 2pac, big, bone, eminem, d12, thugline, etc dont, the only ones who do are like gunit and cashmoney, and cashmoney dont even really sing about girls or money that much anymore...
_hAiLO_
Sep 3 2005, 05:15 AM
I couldn't agree any less, Seeking. The 'ballas and b*****s' thing they keep labeling 'rap' with, is only partially correct...everytime. May I say, half or almost the majority of the rappers out their (most of them underground) do not degrade woman, bling-bling, or glorifying the gangster as what people keep blaiming rap about.
Mr. Blonde
Sep 3 2005, 06:39 AM
I'm just going with what I see on tv. Its lame. The worst kind, repetitive lame.
wrighty
Sep 3 2005, 10:36 AM
Whats wrong with rap. Its no different to POP, RnB or Rock and Roll. Its just another kind of music that's well liked. Sure theres swearing and some of it leads to drugs and gangs but if thats how they want to live there life so be it, heck I love rap but don't see the point in drugs or gang wars at all. All I know is that when you give them a microphone they will give 100% just like anybody else.
Mr Ed
Sep 3 2005, 11:19 AM
Anyone heard of Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll?
You can't really say rap corrupts...
Don't get me wrong, I love Rock music.
That kind of corruption is good...
OneEye
Sep 3 2005, 04:50 PM
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Sep 3 2005, 06:19 AM)
Anyone heard of Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll?
You can't really say rap corrupts...
Don't get me wrong, I love Rock music.
That kind of corruption is good...
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Great...
FLY SPITTA
Sep 3 2005, 05:55 PM
QUOTE(Meji @ Aug 31 2005, 09:59 PM)
rap is corrupting everything
... they corrupted the minds of are children to think that rap is better than all the other music... its sad to think that they will never enjoy the beauty of good old rock and roll.
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Well I think parents need to teach their kids not to let it corrupt their mind. I'm a kid I listen to rap and I'm fine. People now days just don't respect rap. But that's fine. Like I CONTINUE to say if rap is corrupting America then so is rock. There;s a lot of rock songs that talk about weird killing crap too.
wrighty
Sep 3 2005, 05:58 PM
Im with 2pac. Look 2pac is a kid just like I am and we both listen and love rap but you don't hear us going around swearing heck 2pac is a very intelligent member on UM. If parents don't agree with rap then don't let your kids listen to it.
Its no different to any other kind of music. How many times have you seen rappers like 50 cent in the top 40, he's pretty much always there which proves rap is well liked same with Eminem.
OneEye
Sep 5 2005, 10:08 PM
QUOTE(wrighty @ Sep 3 2005, 12:58 PM)
How many times have you seen rappers like 50 cent in the top 40, he's pretty much always there which proves rap is well liked same with Eminem.
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Yea, but how often do you see anything but rap, hip hop, or R&B on the top 40? Either that or crappy pop bands who think they're rock.
::coughnewgreendaycoughbreakingbenjamincoughgcandsimpleplancough::
Wow, my throat hurts...
_hAiLO_
Sep 5 2005, 10:19 PM
QUOTE(OneEye @ Sep 5 2005, 02:08 PM)
QUOTE(wrighty @ Sep 3 2005, 12:58 PM)
How many times have you seen rappers like 50 cent in the top 40, he's pretty much always there which proves rap is well liked same with Eminem.
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Yea, but how often do you see anything but rap, hip hop, or R&B on the top 40? Either that or crappy pop bands who think they're rock.
::coughnewgreendaycoughbreakingbenjamincoughgcandsimpleplancough::
Wow, my throat hurts...
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You just don't see things in our perspective, is how you came to that conclusion. I could say this:
How often do you see anything else in the top 40 other than teen pop, pop, punk, and pop bands? Either that or crappy fake gangster artists who think they're blining.
::cough, 50cent, cough, g-unit, cough, lil bow wow, cough, young jeezy, cough, boyz n' da hood, cough::
My throat hurts now.....saying the last rap group made me puke....
OneEye
Sep 5 2005, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(_hAiLO_ @ Sep 5 2005, 05:19 PM)
You just don't see things in our perspective, is how you came to that conclusion. I could say this:
How often do you see anything else in the top 40 other than teen pop, pop, punk, and pop bands? Either that or crappy fake gangster artists who think they're blining.
::cough, 50cent, cough, g-unit, cough, lil bow wow, cough, young jeezy, cough, boyz n' da hood, cough::
My throat hurts now.....saying the last rap group made me puke....
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No, I'm saying all the stuff on the charts sucks. That stuff isn't realy punk or rock.
Top 40 charts for the USThe only good thing I see is Foo Fighters and Fall Out Boy, which both are still not that good.
seeking
Sep 5 2005, 11:38 PM
you cant say the stuff onthe charts suck...because if it sucked it wouldnt be there...
i dont like 50 cent or lil bow wow, but that dont mean they suck, they just arent my preferance of music.....but at the same time they are the majority of everyone elses....
FLY SPITTA
Sep 6 2005, 01:25 AM
All I have to say is look at the mtv awards ROCK got everything. Rock punk whatever you want to call it all the same thing! Rock punk are all the same just like hiphop/rap is the same.
There's many rappers I don't like don't get me wrong, but I have respect for anyone who is doing right in music making a living providing for their family in the right ways.
OneEye
Sep 6 2005, 02:05 AM
QUOTE(seeking @ Sep 5 2005, 06:38 PM)
you cant say the stuff onthe charts suck...because if it sucked it wouldnt be there...
i dont like 50 cent or lil bow wow, but that dont mean they suck, they just arent my preferance of music.....but at the same time they are the majority of everyone elses....
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Just because a lot of people like it is no excuse for saying why it doesn't stink. And this is all in my opinion anyway. You guys have yours, I have mine.
QUOTE(2PAC4LIFE @ Sep 5 2005, 08:25 PM)
All I have to say is look at the mtv awards ROCK got everything. Rock punk whatever you want to call it all the same thing! Rock punk are all the same just like hiphop/rap is the same.
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The rock/punk that won on MTV is not real rock. When Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, and The Offspring win awards on MTV, that's rock.
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There's many rappers I don't like don't get me wrong, but I have respect for anyone who is doing right in music making a living providing for their family in the right ways.
Lots of the people making money with music are abusing it, and they definatly aren't using it for their families, as many of them don't even have it down to one girlfriend.
_hAiLO_
Sep 6 2005, 02:45 AM
Well, we all feel the same way about mainstream music...I guess thats a plus. But sometimes artists aren't sell-outs, or in the mainstream bizz because they want money, its because they want to make music...and money. Everyone wants money.
The mainstream artists we know today were hooked to their guitar, drums, pen/pencil and paper since they were probably 8 years old, now thats wanting to make music. But since money took over them, is more like 50% making money, 25% fame, and 25% music.
OneEye
Sep 6 2005, 02:55 AM
QUOTE(_hAiLO_ @ Sep 5 2005, 09:45 PM)
Well, we all feel the same way about mainstream music...I guess thats a plus. But sometimes artists aren't sell-outs, or in the mainstream bizz because they want money, its because they want to make music...and money. Everyone wants money.
The mainstream artists we know today were hooked to their guitar, drums, pen/pencil and paper since they were probably 8 years old, now thats wanting to make music. But since money took over them, is more like 50% making money, 25% fame, and 25% music.
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Exactly, but the difference is that within rock and punk, they've changed sides entirely. Green Day used to be awesome, pure rock. Now I consider them more poppy than rock. Just the way it goes I guess.
seeking
Sep 6 2005, 03:51 AM
QUOTE(OneEye @ Sep 6 2005, 02:05 AM)
Just because a lot of people like it is no excuse for saying why it doesn't stink. And this is all in my opinion anyway. You guys have yours, I have mine.
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your making no sense....it doesnt matter if you like it or not, the charts dont lie, people dont vote for things they dont like, those people on the top 40 dont STINK in the majority of the listeners ears...and majority opinion is what makes things fact...forinstance....if i think im cool, but everyone else in the world doesnt think im cool....news flash...im not cool....just like how if you think someone sucks at music but the majority of everyone doesnt....news flash...they dont suck. how can you say that "just because
a lot of people like it is no excuse for saying they dont stink" why would "a lot of people like" them if they did stink?
i understand that in your opinion they
do suck, which is fine, but do realize that your opinion doesnt make fact.....the majority of opinion does....
FLY SPITTA
Sep 6 2005, 11:44 AM
Everyone has their own opinion now this thread is basically talking about what type of music you like and whattype you don't. As for the charts I follow them. They go by ALBUM SALES and RADIO PLAY. So if your on the top 40 you deserve it.
As for music countdowns that's fake. Some artists even PAY to get their videos on countdowns to promote their cd.
OneEye
Sep 6 2005, 02:49 PM
QUOTE(seeking @ Sep 5 2005, 10:51 PM)
QUOTE(OneEye @ Sep 6 2005, 02:05 AM)
Just because a lot of people like it is no excuse for saying why it doesn't stink. And this is all in my opinion anyway. You guys have yours, I have mine.
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your making no sense....it doesnt matter if you like it or not, the charts dont lie, people dont vote for things they dont like, those people on the top 40 dont STINK in the majority of the listeners ears...and majority opinion is what makes things fact...forinstance....if i think im cool, but everyone else in the world doesnt think im cool....news flash...im not cool....just like how if you think someone sucks at music but the majority of everyone doesnt....news flash...they dont suck. how can you say that "just because
a lot of people like it is no excuse for saying they dont stink" why would "a lot of people like" them if they did stink?
i understand that in your opinion they
do suck, which is fine, but do realize that your opinion doesnt make fact.....the majority of opinion does....
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Well, a lot of people aren't that smart (in my opinion), that's why I'm saying their taste is bad (in my opinion) and that the music can stink (in my opinion, and a lot of other people's, not the majority, but a lot).
QUOTE(2PAC4LIFE @ Sep 6 2005, 06:44 AM)
Everyone has their own opinion now this thread is basically talking about what type of music you like and whattype you don't. As for the charts I follow them. They go by ALBUM SALES and RADIO PLAY. So if your on the top 40 you deserve it.
As for music countdowns that's fake. Some artists even PAY to get their videos on countdowns to promote their cd.
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Heh, the name of the thread is "Is rap corrupting America?"
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So we've been off topic for a bit, it happens.
One of the definitions for corrupting is "to change the original form of", so in that sense, yes, rap has changed America. Not necessarily for the better, not for the worse. I do think that we'd be a little better off in some stuff without it as well, but the same thing goes for all other types of music.
Mr Slayer
Sep 6 2005, 04:48 PM
I'm from the snowy North, the Scandinavia. Here, we have Black Metal. For you who don't know about about darker metal-music, it's fast, hard, harsh and dark.
This was also a topic for discussion in the medias before. Then (the 1990s), it was about "are Satanic lyrics and other tendencies corrupting youngsters"?
(I listen to both Black and Death metal, just for mentioning, not only but most. I like Enya too.)
To compare with this "is Rap corrupting America"-topic is very interesting.
Personally, I think the Rap music and the lifestyle propagated is taken seriously by its listeners;
in the hiphopworld, women are "b*****s", everybody has "bling-bling", guns are cool...
No one of my numerous friends who listen to violent metal music actually burn churches, drink blood and worship Satan.
Is it even comparable...?
Super Pancake
Sep 6 2005, 06:53 PM
QUOTE(AshKatNah @ Sep 6 2005, 11:48 AM)
in the hiphopworld, women are "b*****s", everybody has "bling-bling", guns are cool...
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Do you have any proof of this?
JeffreyKing
Sep 7 2005, 06:58 AM
the simple answer. no.
JeffreyKing
Sep 7 2005, 06:59 AM
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Sep 6 2005, 02:53 PM)
QUOTE(AshKatNah @ Sep 6 2005, 11:48 AM)
in the hiphopworld, women are "b*****s", everybody has "bling-bling", guns are cool...
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Do you have any proof of this?
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someones never heard an underground hip hop artists.
ironicly i dont care for any of them.
quoting is tricky here. but i figured it out alllll by myself
FLY SPITTA
Sep 7 2005, 01:35 PM
QUOTE(AshKatNah @ Sep 6 2005, 09:48 AM)
I'm from the snowy North, the Scandinavia. Here, we have Black Metal. For you who don't know about about darker metal-music, it's fast, hard, harsh and dark.
This was also a topic for discussion in the medias before. Then (the 1990s), it was about "are Satanic lyrics and other tendencies corrupting youngsters"?
(I listen to both Black and Death metal, just for mentioning, not only but most. I like Enya too.)
To compare with this "is Rap corrupting America"-topic is very interesting.
Personally, I think the Rap music and the lifestyle propagated is taken seriously by its listeners;
in the hiphopworld, women are "b*****s", everybody has "bling-bling", guns are cool...
No one of my numerous friends who listen to violent metal music actually burn churches, drink blood and worship Satan.
Is it even comparable...?
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I know a lot of rap songs where worshipin satin is cool! And no as for women being that no listen to interviews my friend know your music befire you judge it
Super Pancake
Sep 7 2005, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(JeffreyKing @ Sep 7 2005, 01:59 AM)
quoting is tricky here. but i figured it out alllll by myself
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I'm glad you learned how to quote somebody, someone should give you a scooby snack...........................but can you elaborate a little more on why you quoted me.
snuffypuffer
Sep 7 2005, 04:12 PM
Let's say... 90% of what's on the top forty charts right now is pure dreck no matter the genre. Hip hop is just like any form of music, some of it is really good, a lot of it is bullshit. I don't see the point in worrying whether it's corrupting America or not. If it wasn't rap music, it would be another form of music that parents and the fcc would be raging against.
JeffreyKing
Sep 7 2005, 06:06 PM
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Sep 7 2005, 10:21 AM)
QUOTE(JeffreyKing @ Sep 7 2005, 01:59 AM)
quoting is tricky here. but i figured it out alllll by myself
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I'm glad you learned how to quote somebody, someone should give you a scooby snack...........................but can you elaborate a little more on why you quoted me.
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because of what you said, conserning what you quoted.
there's 1000's a rap artists who dont have anything to do with b*****s and gats. its a misconception of mainstream media. it was more or less directed to who you quoted.
and yes, i want a scooby snack.
JeffreyKing
Sep 7 2005, 06:09 PM
QUOTE(snuffypuffer @ Sep 7 2005, 12:12 PM)
Let's say... 90% of what's on the top forty charts right now is pure dreck no matter the genre. Hip hop is just like any form of music, some of it is really good, a lot of it is bullshit. I don't see the point in worrying whether it's corrupting America or not. If it wasn't rap music, it would be another form of music that parents and the fcc would be raging against.
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that's right. take a scenesters corruption to hardcore for example. metalcore acts like atreyu and norma jean. what's wholesome about kitchen knives, kitchen floors and slitting wrists? if its not about playing girls, its about heartbreak. long forgotten and never popular posi-core seems to be the only positive music out there. as positive as "ill beat you down because friends are family" can be anyway.
Super Pancake
Sep 7 2005, 06:39 PM
O.K. thanks for clearing that up, but what I really want to know is whether AshKatNah can make a relation and have a credible source that rap music that speaks of violence, and degredation of women is causing the people who listen to that sort of music act in a violent way and disrespectful to women.
Also it would be better to quote the person who you are directing your comment at.
_hAiLO_
Sep 8 2005, 04:09 AM
QUOTE(AshKatNah @ Sep 6 2005, 08:48 AM)
To compare with this "is Rap corrupting America"-topic is very interesting.
Personally, I think the Rap music and the lifestyle propagated is taken seriously by its listeners;
in the hiphopworld, women are "b*****s", everybody has "bling-bling", guns are cool...
No one of my numerous friends who listen to violent metal music actually burn churches, drink blood and worship Satan.
Is it even comparable...?
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Yes, it is. As your friends listen to those type of songs and, as you stated, do not partake in actions similar to what they listen to, how can my friends be any different? My friends listen to Underground Rap music, mostly the group Hieroglyphics..
....*which i'm soOoOo jealous THAT THEy got to GO to the CONCERT whil I stayed HOM<E!!!*....(deep breath)
...they don't distribute drugs, degrade woman, own guns, flash bling-bling, or glorify the gangster. They are ordinary friends who just listen to music. The only thing that the music they listen to changes them is when they wear a flat hat everytime they go out, but its a style. They still don't sell/buy drugs, and thats cool.
snuffypuffer
Sep 8 2005, 06:08 PM
Stupid people listen to stupid music. If you are dumb enough to sell drugs or shoot someone, just because you heard about it in a song by 50 Cent, then you're just an idiot. It's your fault, not 50's.
FLY SPITTA
Sep 10 2005, 01:01 AM
Anyone that does EXACTLY as a rap artist or music artist has peoblems, unless they are trying to write music and is inspired by the music that they are listening to.
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