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WakeCowboy
This photo was taken accidentally by a woman who loved to collect teddy-bears (She has over 3000 teddy-bears), who recently had a miscarriage, had been contemplating suicide, and planned to drown herself in a lake on an Indian reservation the following day.(She was also part Mohican)
The next day, she tried to go to the lake alone, but her husband insisted he go with her. At the lake, her plans foiled, she revealed her plight to her husband...and they came to enough of an understanding for a better future...the strange images in the photo were not recognized until two years later.(try not to put too much emphasis on the photo itself, but rather the story of the indian woman and her suffering, and her belief that a spirit came to her aid in a time of need)

In this photo there is a big fuzzy teddy bear in the light from the camera flash, his big fluffy paw goes to the left and there is a fish that faces right that he is trying to catch, the nose of the fish is the woman's elbow ( the right side of the mirror cuts straight down through the center of the teddy bears face, so only one eye, half his nose and half his mouth can be seen), in the background, the old dresser behind the woman, to the right, appears to be a silly Wooden teddy bear at the shape of the woman's back, the leather jacket hanging on the door looks alot like the Grim Reaper, the curve of his scythe in the woman's stomach line...

...all this seems silly, but when you turn the photograph upside down, it reveals what appears to be, a very life-like image of a Black Bear in the light flash (photo on right, faces left)...his nose is what the fish's nose was before, one eye is by the leather jacket on the doorknob and the other eye is in the yellow shirt.
Although the individual images could be defined by any skeptical mind as non-relevant simulacra, the theme of them together, added to the circumstances under which the photo was taken, does not seem to fit an equation that involves no intelligent design.

WakeCowboy.

There are also two bears in the dresser on the left in the mirror...one on top of the other standing upright with arms out, like a totem pole.
isis-999
Hi, well i have to tell you. I am half Cherokee and i have looked at these photo's ever way i could, But i do not see the Bear spirit in any of them. no.gif


I do see what looks like a small dog. blink.gif
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Aug 21 2005, 05:53 AM)
Hi, well i have to tell you. I am half Cherokee and i have looked at these photo's ever way i could, But i do not see the Bear spirit in any of them. no.gif


I do see what looks like a small dog. blink.gif
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everyone i have showed them to out here in the real world, about 50 different people, have seen exactly what i have described, the last photo is the head of a black bear...he faces left, you don't have to believe...it is only here for people's enjoyment, it is not meant to prove anything... but anyway...thanks for your opinion.
XSAS

Sorry but I don't see it either?
Uversa
You have taken the reflection of the camera flash on the mirror, flipped it horizontally and then flipped it again vertically... and can JUST ABOUT make out a nose and eyes..

this is just stupidity, sorry but it really is. I could go outside and take a picture of anything and flip and turn it to eventually make out some kind of reference to some animal spirit.

Looks like a Guardian Camera flash spirit to me
isis-999
I went back and looked again, sorry i can still not see it and why don't you ask 50 Native Americans what they see, Since it is one of our Guardian Spirits. blink.gif
TheLikeness
nothing...
NJC
yep I seen this before a few plush toys and dolls claim to have spirits
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(Uversa @ Aug 21 2005, 10:46 AM)
You have taken the reflection of the camera flash on the mirror, flipped it horizontally and then flipped it again vertically... and can JUST ABOUT make out a nose and eyes..

this is just stupidity, sorry but it really is. I could go outside and take a picture of anything and flip and turn it to eventually make out some kind of reference to some animal spirit.

Looks like a Guardian Camera flash spirit to me
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the only photo that was turned, and was turned all the way upside down was the last photo, where the white part of the flash is the bear, as far as me being stupid? well, i'ma cowboy, duh...what do you expect. as far as you being able to reproduce the images or an equivalant simply by taking a picture out front, i doubt it, don't say you can...prove it. i believe that the spirit bear is real...maybe he isn't here in these photos, doesn't mean he isn't real.
but thanks for your harsh opinions anyways.
MetalGod
I don't think it is stupid. When I made out the last photo I damn near jumped out of my seat! Thanks for sharing cowboy. passifier.gif
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(MetalGod @ Aug 21 2005, 04:25 PM)
I don't think it is stupid. When I made out the last photo I damn near jumped out of my seat! Thanks for sharing cowboy. passifier.gif
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thanks metal, you're too kind, i value their opinions, but don't understand why, when i stated originally, that the "images" were "non-relevant simulacra" they went and told me the same thing in a less intelligent way? why tell me something i already know? maybe i should define "simulacra" and they would understand?
i didn't do that because i didn't want people to think i was treating them like they were not intelligent. maybe i will explain it anyway...just to clarify, not to offend.
a simulacra is the natural phenomena where the human brain has the ability to make order out of chaos. the mind wants to see something, rather than nothing, so it plays a connect the dots game...creating completeness out of randomness...different people will create different images depending upon their empirical knowledge... for example: scientists and skeptics have all but proven, that nessie, the loch ness monster, and the mysterious face on mars, are both nothing more than "images" attributed to simulacra.
Mandar
I'm going to go back and try to have a better look. But it seems to me like a lot of matrixing (the minds ability to pick out familiar shapes in meaningless things)

I could probably, and most likely, take a picture of my messy bedroom...and pick out things in the picture that are of signifigance. It's just like looking at clouds and saying "Oh that looks like a rabbit!" and someone else saying "I was thinking horse but now that you mention it...it DOES look like a rabbit!" We all see things differently and if it's pointed out as a bear...the person will see a bear....but that doesn't mean it IS a bear.

I'm not saying that I don't believe in the spirt bear or whatever...I don't even know anything about it. And I love and respect the Native American way of life, and I would in NO WAY EVER talk bad about it.

It's a very touching story. And I'm glad she was able to move on and I hope she's living a happy life.


Anyways...I've been up all night and this post probably makes no sense whatsoever.... wacko.gif


(Edited to say)

Okay....I see everything that you pointed out. The bears in the pictures are beautiful I must say. But I still beleive it's matrixing. If this woman loved bears...and she obviously did...then it would have been quite understandable for her to pick out the bears in the picture.

Still. Nice story and pic. original.gif
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(Mandar @ Aug 23 2005, 01:48 PM)
I'm going to go back and try to have a better look. But it seems to me like a lot of matrixing (the minds ability to pick out familiar shapes in meaningless things)

I could probably, and most likely, take a picture of my messy bedroom...and pick out things in the picture that are of signifigance. It's just like looking at clouds and saying "Oh that looks like a rabbit!" and someone else saying "I was thinking horse but now that you mention it...it DOES look like a rabbit!" We all see things differently and if it's pointed out as a bear...the person will see a bear....but that doesn't mean it IS a bear.

I'm not saying that I don't believe in the spirt bear or whatever...I don't even know anything about it. And I love and respect the Native American way of life, and I would in NO WAY EVER talk bad about it.

It's a very touching story. And I'm glad she was able to move on and I hope she's living a happy life.


Anyways...I've been up all night and this post probably makes no sense whatsoever.... wacko.gif


(Edited to say)

Okay....I see everything that you pointed out. The bears in the pictures are beautiful I must say. But I still beleive it's matrixing. If this woman loved bears...and she obviously did...then it would have been quite understandable for her to pick out the bears in the picture.

Still. Nice story and pic. original.gif
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thanx mandar...you make perfect sense...exactly the kind of response one would hope for...now i will finish the story for you...since you had the empirical understanding to follow it this far, and the compassion to go along with it:

...not long after the foiled suicide attempt, the couple conceived another life, brought it to full term, and recently, they finally gave birth to a healthy, beautiful baby girl. clap.gif
"the baby girl already loves bears as well"...they say, "and the photograph, the entire collection of bears, and a pricey estate, will all be bequeathed to her."

wow...happily ever after.

dang, ya don't see that much anymore, do ya?
i don't think it's stupid either, i think it's phenomenal.

wakecowboy.
Uversa
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the only photo that was turned, and was turned all the way upside down was the last photo, where the white part of the flash is the bear, as far as me being stupid? well, i'ma cowboy, duh...what do you expect. as far as you being able to reproduce the images or an equivalant simply by taking a picture out front, i doubt it, don't say you can...prove it. i believe that the spirit bear is real...maybe he isn't here in these photos, doesn't mean he isn't real.
but thanks for your harsh opinions anyways.
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I didnt call you stupid, nor did I say that the bear spirit doesnt exist.
isis-999
The bear spirit is very real, But just not in those photo's. original.gif
zandore
I am part Native American (Blackfeet) and I could not see anything. I agree with Isis in that Spirit Totems are as real to many Native Americans as is Jesus is to Christians.
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(Uversa @ Aug 21 2005, 10:46 AM)
You have taken the reflection of the camera flash on the mirror, flipped it horizontally and then flipped it again vertically... and can JUST ABOUT make out a nose and eyes..

this is just stupidity, sorry but it really is. I could go outside and take a picture of anything and flip and turn it to eventually make out some kind of reference to some animal spirit.

Looks like a Guardian Camera flash spirit to me
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not here to compete or prove anything...not here to teach you anything, but to learn from you. just wanted to share something positive, not negative.
you make a good point, if someone just took a picture out their front door of anything for no reason, then twisted it and twisted it until they could fabricate a story to fit, then tried to force the product upon everyone, they would have a simulacrum surrounded and supported by falseness...the simulacrum itself would be false and remain a copy with no original, and "yes", it could and maybe should be acknowledged as nothing more than stupidity.
what i wanted to do with this thread was completely the opposite. the story was true and the photo already existed from the events surrounding the story...i found the story to be meaningful in a positive way, and the photo, if nothing else, still contains the "image" of the woman the story surrounds and the camera flash already conveniently conceals her identity... could still be used even if i did not see strangeness in it. i am only trying to tell the story through "my eyes"...
to interpret one's spiritualism can be difficult, something always seems to be lost through the translation. perhaps a photo loses something as well. it starts out as an anolog copy of something true or real...then once scanned into a 'puter converts into digital form - "a copy of a copy"...then when rescaled to fit in a post - "a copy of a copy of a copy"...now, even if there were any truth behind the simulacrum, it has been diminished in quality four times over; regardless, the original story still remains true.
one should never blindly interpret their own "religion" through another's eyes...but rather interpret other's religion through their own eyes, and if nothing else, try to gain understanding. one's spiritualism should come from within, not without.
anyways...i read somethin' like that somewheres...i apologize if i am not interpreting it correctly.
i would never force or expect any of you to see, or believe the things that i sometimes do...in fact...i wouldn't wish that on anyone.

wake.

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mandapanda
I think what they mean by a bear spirit is if you look past the bright spot just to the upper right there looks like what appers to be a bear

here try to see it now:
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DamienPriest
I suggest for some people who are ridiculing this person for posting a photo and just his mere opinion to read the rules of the Forum.

Some people in here have nothing better to do than to bash people...

To be honest I'm getting tired of it.

I had this problem before with someone, and they lost the arguement very fast...

When are people on here going to learn that UM is here for different beliefs, opinions, and expressing themselves on Unexplained things...

You people can be so harsh sometimes, please knock off the comments...

Yes Uversa, you did call his photo stupid...

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this is just stupidity, sorry but it really is. I could go outside and take a picture of anything and flip and turn it to eventually make out some kind of reference to some animal spirit.

Looks like a Guardian Camera flash spirit to me


This is what I'm talking about...

Matt
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Wolfwood
I stared and stared. Good call Mandapanda I can see it now.

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kline
i can't believe anyone even looked at these photos (i don't mean us or the poster, i mean that someone put them on the internet etc), there is nothing at all there, its just a flash of your camera lady and the bedroom you are in, rediculous
WakeCowboy
QUOTE(Wolfwood @ Sep 8 2005, 10:40 AM)
I stared and stared.  Good call Mandapanda I can see it now.

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actually...that is just one of the images...the one of the "teddy bear trying to catch a fish"...i made out several others...how did you outline it like that?
if i knew how to do that, i could show you the rest... i would especially like to outline the head of the bear that is upside-down...
but like i tried to point out in the beginning...it was the "story" of one person's individual spiritualism that was important and not so much the photo...the images in the photo are simulacra...yes...just a camera flash and just shapes at the back of the woman and in the shadows of the dresser in the mirror...but if someone thinks that spiritualism is stupid...there is nothing that can be said to change them.
any "ghost" photo on the net could be considered a fake...if one was actually proven real...i think that ghoststudy.com has promised that they have a "secret source" that will pay a million dollars to the beholder of such proof...so far, no one has received the money...so i guess if kline is right, not only am i stupid, but so is anyone who puts any strange photo up that someone else just can't see the same thing in...besides...how does one know "for sure", what a "real ghost" or "real spirit" would actually appear as...in what form? or forms? who says that everyone would be able to see it, even if it were right there in front of them?
i think that may have been one reason why most tribes had specific "holy men" to depict spiritualism for the rest of the tribe.
and just so kline knows...i posted this story and photo because "i" thought it was a meaningful story, and a strange photo...the woman in the photo is just a friend...she had nothing to do with it being on the net...she doesn't even like 'puters. so i am to blame for his disbelief...not the lady...let's get that clear...just a stupid cowboy with too much on his mind...
anyways...i thank you all for taking a look and posting your opinions, one reason i put it here was to make sure i wasn't just seeing things that weren't really there...see, i do that too, sometimes. :-)
...even if just "one" of you could see it as well... i ain't completely crazy.
thanks :-)
wake.

WakeCowboy
warning!!!

those of you who think the bears are ridiculous...shouldn't even bother reading this post...'cause it ain't much different...but those of you who are still curious about what's on my mind...if ya got the time...thought i'd share more strangeness in normal things...


fire rabbit

just returned from a short sabbatical up the north coast...spent most of the days on the beaches picking up beer bottles, aluminum cans, and trash people left behind (didn't plan it that way, just saw the trash, couldn't stand seeing it there)...all i could think of were those old "don't litter commercials" where the old indian on his horse watches a car pass by and throw out a bag of garbage....after, the camera pans in for a close-up of the old indian's face...as he sheds hopeless tears...spent the nights at various campsites roasting marshmallows in fire-rings...while watching the flames i saw what appeared to be the image of a rabbit...i had seen this "rabbit image" several times before...sometimes in women's hair, once in a bag of stay-puffed marshmallows, but mostly among the flames of a fire. i tried to photograph what i saw, but the image fluctuates and doesn't seem to come out very good when you are trying to capture it. rabbit images (photos 1 & 2) ...a photo of the bag of marshmallows after several marshmallows had been taken out of the top (photo 3)...and a photo of a woman's hair (photo 4)..., but none of them are very good.

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i looked around the internet to find out what this rabbit might be....it was interesting to me, that not only do the indians make a reference to a "fire rabbit", but the chinese also have a "fire rabbit" as part of their zodiac.
i left a link below to a much better photo of one of these "rabbit images" in the flames of a fire...it does not belong to me, so i can't post it here, it was posted by a guy who called himself the "lizardking" on coasttocoastam.com.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page197.html

anyways...there may be no spiritual connection at all, but it is probably one of the clearest images of a rabbit in the flames of a fire that i have ever seen in a photograph, and appears to be the same rabbit i keep seeing in other fires; therefore, very interesting to me.


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page197.html

wakecowboy
Charlie_0978
QUOTE(Uversa @ Aug 21 2005, 05:46 AM)
You have taken the reflection of the camera flash on the mirror, flipped it horizontally and then flipped it again vertically... and can JUST ABOUT make out a nose and eyes..

this is just stupidity, sorry but it really is. I could go outside and take a picture of anything and flip and turn it to eventually make out some kind of reference to some animal spirit.

Looks like a Guardian Camera flash spirit to me
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no need to be rude man, but i cant see anything else than a common flash reflection, i think you are trying to see something that isnt there, LOL, when i looked the photo i said IT BETER BE A BEAR REFLECTED ON THE MIRROR, but nothing, sorry , i think this topic is pointless and i think you need to close this topic, can anybody close this topic?????
Raptor
I dont really see anything; but it would be great if animal spirits are real grin2.gif

For the fire rabbit, the bits that resemble the ears at the top look like where the flame intertwines, but still a cool find. Let us know if you find out more about anything like this original.gif
Charlie_0978
QUOTE(mandapanda @ Sep 7 2005, 08:25 AM)
I think what they mean by a bear spirit is if you look past the bright spot just to the upper right there looks like what appers to be a bear

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cool avatar mandapanda thumbsup.gif but i still see nothing but a flash reflection, besides why do he took a picture of the mirror?????????????
Bio-Mage
I think the bear theory is a bit off myself. The highlighted figure looks like a toybear to me and I am certain that native americans did not have stuffed animals in mind when they mentioned animal spirits.
MetalGod
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Sep 15 2005, 09:22 AM)
I think the bear theory is a bit off myself. The highlighted figure looks like a toybear to me and I am certain that native americans did not have stuffed animals in mind when they mentioned animal spirits.
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I think he means the upside down one.
I tried to outline it the best I could Cowboy.
Maybe its close to what you see.
Looks kind of scary to me.

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Can't Sleep! Bears Gonna Get Me!
Can't Sleep! Bears Gonna Get Me!

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Raptor
^Haha, I see it now. I still think it's just a coincedence though dontgetit.gif
WakeCowboy
:-)
WakeCowboy
that's pretty good metal...the forehead is a little off...but you made out the second image of at least 4 different ones...the others are not part of the flash at all...two of the others are in the wood of the dressers...one to the right and one to the left...but i am not trying to imply that "any" of the individual "bear images" are actually paranormal...nor an honest to goodness spirit...i am only trying to establish that it is "very"..."very" strange, to me, that there seems to be so many bears, where there shouldn't be any...maybe they are right...maybe just a coincidence... i would like to know what some of you will think, later on, after you guys have collectively made out the rest of the bears...will it still be a coincidence? or will 4 or 5 bears be different than 2? oh....and to answer charlie's question?
the photo was taken accidentally by a "she" not a he...that is how the thread starts... "this photo was taken accidentally..." i don't think that some of the people that are replying to this post are actually reading the entire thread before looking at the pictures and poppin' off remarks about them...if they are reading it all...then they are not comprehending half of what i am trying to convey...i can tell by their answers that they have totally misconstrued the concept... perhaps i am a bad communicator and it is my fault...maybe i should have used a different title for the post...then they wouldn't be crashin' in with such high expectations, then feel let down cause they don't get it... again...i apologize...but i do not know how to change the title of the post...and i will even remove this post for the people who want it removed...for a small fee...hahaha...depends how much it is worth to them to have it gone...i guess. wink2.gif

anyways...thanks everybody, fer wastin' yer time on it.
wake.
Kaknelson
I believe a real Spirit Bear looks like this... i seen one before in Bella Bella, BC.
Beautiful Animal! crying.gif


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SPIRIT BEAR
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