We all know someone that’s intelligent, but who occasionally defends obviously bad ideas like Chemtrails,alien implants or fake moonlandings.


Why does this happen?

How can smart people take up positions that defy any reasonable logic? Having spent many years working with smart people I’ve catalogued many of the ways this happens, and I have advice on what to do about it.

I’ve defended several bad ideas when I was younger,like the face on Mars.


The problem with smart people is that they like to be right and sometimes will defend ideas to the death rather than admit they’re wrong.

This is bad. Worse, if they got away with it when they were young (say, because they were smarter than their parents, their friends, and their parent’s friends) they’ve probably built an ego around being right, and will therefore defend their perfect record of invented righteousness to the death.

Smart people often fall into the trap of preferring to be right even if it’s based in delusion, or results in them, or their loved ones, becoming miserable.

(Somewhere in your town there is a row of graves at the cemetery, called smartypants lane, filled with people who were buried at poorly attended funerals, whose headstones say “Well, at least I was right.”)

Who are you talking about? Is this a conspiracy?

well its mainly because certain people "completely" trust their govt to the point where they do not question the information supplied to them--ill admit believing we actually went to the moon in the 70's withouut error is laughable but its not their fault,gullability may be an inhereited trait but i can assure you the educational system has alot to do with the reason so many are still duped today--it wasnt until the internet came along and offered alternate views that people started to realize the truth--i believe the staged terror attacks are a direct result of this reality and that the elite "need" to traumatize the masses on regular schedule in order to keep them worried about dying instead of their govt lying to them

Why do you believe what you do? Why should you think you have "answers" and that these conspiracy theorists you complain about are wrong? A majority consensus proves nothing about anything. Most people that pander after such "accepted" news end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Most things arent even conspiracys, but underreported events. What kills me is the amount of people who will argue against something known about simply because they feel it isnt true.

Example...you mention "chemtrails" as something that is to be unreal. Why? What evidence do you have other than conjecture...or your dad told you they arent real...who can you quote that is credible that would disprove their existence? You cant and wont because you never studied the issue but are arguing on feelings...you do what you accuse others of.

A lot of people just see what is happening around them and ask questions...which leads them to bigger issues and sometimes conspiracies. Its not a game or anything but more reporting what is undereported. Good day to you sir.

Might I ask, dmgspycat, where you get your information from? I notice you post quite a lot and are very sure of your information. So, I was just wondering where you get this information from that you so trust it to be right?

First of all you must realize everything is just relative. How do you define smart (or intelligent). Book smarts, street smarts...? Who are you comparing yourself to that you would be considered smart, a third grader, college graduate, someone in the intelligence community, or the president of the United States. Do you think you are smart or do others think you are smart.

Most of the common folk like you and me, are just useless beasts of burden that need to be told what to do and how to behave. We only know what we need to know for us to be productive citizens. A major example is this. In my college days, in political science classes, my teachers didn't know anything about the CFR, trilateral commission, Bilderbergers, or anything else about the establishment. The reason is because the common citizen is not really supposed to know about that stuff. You are supposed to focus on sports, movie stars, and material possesions.

Conspiracies are really discoveries of supressed information, that is not mainstream common sense. Most conspiracies deal with still classified information. Anyone working for the government knows they can legally lie to you if something is still classified, in fact it is illegal to tell the public the truth to matter that are still classified.

In conclusion, you many think you are smart, but you are only as smart as they allow you to be.

Most teachers still think the 1929 stock market crash was an accident, which of course to those in the know, is a complete lie.

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support. "The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."
Curtis Dall,
FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book,
My Exploited Father-in-Law

“It (the Depression) WAS NOT ACCIDENTAL! It was a carefully contrived occurrence. The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as the rulers of us all.” ― Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee (see None Dare pg. 55)

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
Benjamin Disraeli,
first Prime Minister of England,
in a novel he published in 1844 called
Coningsby, the New Generation

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952


There are people who most would consider very smart, that have no clue about what the new world order is. Some don't even think it exists. You may think you are smart, but not compared to those at the top of the social order, who really know what's going on in the world. What the average person believes to be the truth, very rarely actually is. Just don't let your ego get ahead of you, keep an open mind, a lot of what is discussed on this forum is the truth, but it sounds so unlikely it is dismissed as just a conspiracy theory.

A lot of the so called rational thinkers using common sense, are actually constructing their perception of reality, with only half the facts. If you only have half the facts, you will never know the truth. War is always fought by deception. Do you actually think you and the rest of the lemmings, I mean citizens, know the real reasons as to why all the recent wars have been fought? If so, get over yourself! History is always rewritten by the victors, to make it look justified, and honorable.

I think you're the one who needs to put your ego in check.

And I think that's your answer right there, hazzard.

Hey, I'll admit, I am not perfect. My ego does get ahead of me sometimes. I admit when I'm wrong.

But that goes for everyone, including you.

Most of us are just average people. It's very naive to think that we truly know what really going on in the world of geopolitics, and the real reason for everything that is happening, especially if you only follow the mainstream media on TV, and in newspapers.

I sleep with one eye open...

Be careful, hazzard.

You might get warned by the brass here for "baiting".

I most certainly was. And I've been at this site far longer than 99 percent of the ones that post here.

I've been hushed up. You might be too.

I fail to see the hummor in this nor in the post that went with it, I believe this does not answer the question of the thread, It's fine to believe your way, if that is what you want but why make fun of people who do not agree with your anti american veiws..

[quote=dmgspycat,Aug 25 2005, 10:44 PM]

"Example...you mention "chemtrails" as something that is to be unreal. Why? What evidence do you have other than conjecture...or your dad told you they arent real...who can you quote that is credible that would disprove their existence? You cant and wont because you never studied the issue but are arguing on feelings...you do what you accuse others of."



It is not I that has too show proof of "evil spraying" it is you, THE HB.

As you might know,it is hard too disprove a negative.

If I told you that I have a snowman living in my tree in the backyard,don`t you think that I AM THE ONE THAT NEEDS TOO PROVE IT.


AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CLOUD SEEDING OR BARIUM FOR RADAR RECEPTION,that is all public information.

So, scooby, where do you get your answers from, then? If you're "common folk" like all the rest of us.....how is it that you seem to be smarter than the rest of us?

Have "they" allowed you to be smarter?

You seem to have a lot of answers.

I was just wondering.

It´s not necessarily that there are so many kooks out there.
It may be that the kooks are the ones who feel strongly enough about their beliefs and try to share them.(On kook sites.)

Part of the allure of conspiracism seems to be the excitement of believing something that few other people believe. It´s a way of saying, "I´m different."

We can go beyond that and speculate that they think their beliefs are not only different but also better.

But simply the difference is enough to worry about here.



What good is being different if no one notices?

Aw, come on! This is a logical question. I seriously would like to know. Folks on here criticize you for "blindly believing" what the government says, but when you present cases against that, you want me to just "blindly believe" you? That's not fair at all. If you can find trustworthy information, why not share so that we can do our own research as well?

Here are the rules of conspiracy:

1. There is no such thing as a coincidence. Words cannot be taken out of context. There are few failures of communiction or confusion among government agencies; it's all part of a grand scheme. If it happened, it's because the government/corporate rulers/NWO wanted it to happen. If if didn't happen, it's because the government/corporates/NWO didn't want it to happen.

2. Initial impressions are always correct. Nobody is ever mistaken. If someone thought they heard explosions in the WTC, it was obviously bombs and nothing else. Subsequent revisions are always due to suppression of evidence, not rigorous investigation or reevaluation.

For example, the firefighters who charged into the WTC on 9-11 and did not forsee the coming disaster are more qualified to judge conditions in the building than the army of engineers who spent years examining the collapse.

The only time initial impressions are not correct is when they conflict with the conspiracy theory - such as the engineers who, on and shortly after 9-11, estimated that the towers collapsed due to the fire.

3. Disagreement among experts about complex events is automatically proof that the government theory/position is a hoax, a fraud and a lie, even of none of the said experts actually believe it to be so.

4. Any government report, no matter how mind-numbingly detailed, is a hoax, a fraud and a lie...

5 ...except the parts that can be taken out of context and used to bolster the conspiracy theory.

6. The conspirators are all-powerful. They deftly manipulate the ignorant masses through the controlled media, molding human minds like putty. Kings, presidents and prime ministers tremble before them. These elite few hold the fate of entire nations in their grasp. Their minions - ruthless and with limitless resources - roam the world, rappelling from black helicopters and leaving a trail of bodies in their wake, eliminating all who dare to challenge these secret rulers...

7. ...except, of course, for Joe Blow and his conspiracy web site. Somehow these super-ninja assassins are having a great deal of trouble tracking him down.

Good, good. BTW, I love your name.

Let us explore the coincidences of 911.

1. Who was in charge of security of the WTC complex up until his contract expired on 9/11/01? None other then Marvin Bush, Georgie boy's brother.
Who was hired as Director of Security ON 9/11/01 and fell victim to the horrors that took place there? John O’Neil was Deputy Director of FBI, resigned in disgust and was quoted saying “The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests”

2. Well this is more of a fact. FEMA lied on their report that WTC7 fell down due to fire. Silverstein decided to pull the building, the cops evacuated everyone out of it. Did FEMA just ignore that and started to write a fairy tale? What is there to say about the rest of the report then?

3. Increased stock exchange activity on airlines a week BEFORE 911 was tracked to CIA. Thats when you never heard of the story again. http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

4. On the morning of 911 Norad failed for the first time in its 50 year history. Why? because they thought it was a training excersise. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/no...cise_on_911.htm

5. Odigo workers were warned about the attack, as well as many others.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/Sh...ml?itemNo=77744

6. All four planes had only 20% ocupancy, when the average for that day was 80%.

7. For the first time in history a steel structured building went down due to fire.
A building in Madrid burned for days and still standing http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html

8 Evidence destroyed
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-governm...-destroyed.html

9. 9 of the highjackers are alive. One of them is who's passport flew out of the buring plane and landed in mint condition in front of an officer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm

I would go on for longer, but its all just a coincidence.

So, NORAD's "failure" was part of this "conspiracy"?!?! Gimme a break. Similar things have happened all over - like when I was in middle school and the school had a fire drill. As we were walking back in, the fire alarm went off again... and the teachers just told us that it was a malfunction. We found out that a fire had started in the Teachers' Lounge from a discarded cigarette.

Or, if you prefer, a large industry led oil spill exercise in Detroit about five years ago. The "devastation" caused by the imagined spill was horrible - and we were getting "reports" of it all morning as it was washed down the Detroit River. About one in the afternoon we were asked why nobody was doing anything about the oil spill in the Detroit River... a recreational boat had hit a bulkhead and split their fuel tanks. We thought it was a drill.

This sort of thing happens all the time. Sorry, no conspiracy there.
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You might try checking up on the Odigo workers that received "warnings". That story was made up. Kinda like the recent plane crash in Columbia where rescue workers faked receiving text messages from "survivors". If you want to check on conspiracies, why not investigate the people who MAKE these claims?!?!
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If you look at the structures of the buildings (WTC versus the bldg in Spain) you will see some pretty amazing differences. Let's start with a fully engulfed building in Spain, compared to 20 untouched stories above a section that is structurally devastated.

Ever play Jenga? If you take too many pieces out in the middle, it will fall - as did the WTC. The floors that were hit by the planes weren't strong enough to support the higher floors, and the whole thing crashed down one floor - but the added weight and momentum was too much for that floor to handle so IT collapsed - and on and on.

Not too hard to figure out from a VERY amateur engineer. How is it that the professional engineers came to the same conclusions??

Oh, that's right, it musta been a conspiracy.
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Check out old stock exchange activity. The latter part of August and early September are good months for increased activity - and this happens EVERY darned year. Kinda like in October and November the temperature gets lower in the Northern States. Oh wait! That must be a conspiracy also!
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Check the records for the airline occupancy... you will find that THOSE flights were on the list to get possibly cut due to low ridership... because they only averaged about 20% occupancy. Oh, another conspiracy because Joe Average doesn't want to fly to those destinations with those particular departure times.
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How exactly would a security manager help in a situation where a plane has crashed into a building? Don't forget that the builder of the WTC also perished in the attack... so how is it that only the Director of Security gets any credit for being a victim of a conspiracy??
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In three of the four control towers I have been in, they all used reel to reel tape to make recordings - NOT cassette tapes. I didn't see what the fourth used, so I can only surmise... And why didn't this guy give the tape to the authorities when ordered to do so? Personally, I think a tape never existed and this is just a fabricated story. If he went through the extreme effort of breaking the cassette and then cutting the tape up in many little pieces and throwing them all away in different cans, WHY did he admit he had the tape in the first place??

Sorry, but my BS detector is pinging right now.... it is hard to hear... you say he admitted it just so he could possibly go to prison for destruction of evidence?? Oh, riiiiiiiiiiight... NOT!
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And, last, but certainly not least...

The list of "surviving" hijackers? Have you ever checked out what it takes to "create" a pseudonym? It is very difficult. However, it is EASY to just steal an identity. "Hi, my name is Teddy Kennedy and I am from Hyannisport Mass." That there is some confusion in finding people that share names and naming strategies, as well as some who have had passports possibly stolen isn't surprising.

Remember the confusion over the identity of Tim McVeigh? Same thing here.

It could also be easily interpreted from the context of Silverstein's statements that he meant to pull the firefighters from the building. There is no evidence to suggest he knew what the term "pull" meant in demolition lingo. Not all of those involved with demolition even know what it means as it is slang.

I don't mean to hurt anybody's feelings, but if you really think about it, the majority of the world's population tend to believe in some pretty woowoo ideas, like divine creation, resurrection, reincarnation, predestination, etc., etc.

And this isn't something new -- in fact, up until say 200 years ago, I think it was very rare to find an atheist at all. So it may be that lamenting the advent of woowoo ideas is partly an overstimation of how much sway "rational scientific thought" has on humanity in general.

Oh really?? Are you so sure about that? Can you provide more details, like links where "Not all of those involved with demolition even know what it means"?


http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/pullit.html
"I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire,"

I would also like to see pictures or a video of a fire that couldnt be controlled. All i tend to find are 2-3 isolated fires, certaintly not enough reason to bring a building down over... unless u have a fat insurance policy on it.

" and I said, 'You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is [B]pull it.[B]' Uh, and they made that decision to [B]pull and then we watched the building collapse[B]."

Notice that he did say IT not them. Also the link above has detailed information as to what 'pull' might have meant.

Proof to a Hoaxbeliver is any and all stories, rumors, lies, hoaxes, fantasies, science fiction or religious faith that tends to support any claim they make.


UFOs-Chemtrails-9/11-NWO-planet X-The snowman.

People that disbelieve that their government would pull off an operation like 9-11 are living in a fantasy land that does not exist.

I ask when in time has government ever been without deciet? America does not have a monoploly on despots but we have our fair share. There are plenty of fundementalist whackos in our government and greedy bankers and plenty of mercenaries in the military willing to do it to change Americas future to suit them not us or "We" the people.

Was President Kennedys murder not covered up? And the system that came after his murder is the corruption Im talking about. The police state really grew under Nixon.

"Pull it:" the phrase that launched a thousand nutty theories.

If any team of firefighters was capable of rigging a burning building with explosives in 7 hours, they would quit the FDNY and form their own demolition company.

There wasn't even any reason to demolish it secretly on 9-11. They could have just declared the building unsafe and demolished it later, openly.



No, actually, the FEMA report is filled with phrases like "probable collapse sequence" and "potential collapse mechanisms" and "certain issues should be explored before final conclusions are reached." See, those are responsible statements by people who realize that they don't have all the answers.

Compare that to the words of the conspiracy theorists who state unequivocally, without reservation that they know exactly what happened.

your argument concerning the firefighters rigging explosives is a good example of the lack of common sense that the official story embodies--in case you are unable to comprehend the simplicity of common sense let me clarify the details for you--demoltion charges are signs of pre-meditation--pre-meditated means that it was devised in "advance"--which translates to the charges being set previous to 9/11 and would not invlove any firefighters--as far as your comments concerning why they just didnt demolish it "openly" is because if they did that then the taxpayers would NOT have picked up the clean-up tab--how much do you think it would have cost a developer to demolish and rebuild the twin towers? please explain to me who could have afforded the legitamate demo and rebuild? now step back and look at what really happened-silverstein got a fat insurance payout AND he didnt have to spend a dime on demo and clean-up--how can this not add up in your head??

And once again, the conspircists ignore rational discourse and eyewitness accounts, except for those that support their point.

I cannot contribute to the refutation of these absurd claims regarding 9/11/01, due to the fact that I was there, and lost family friends and co-workers, and lack the impartiality to answer calmly.

Suffice it to say that I personally find those who support a government roll in the death and destruction of that day, to be self centered, paranoics with delusions of grandeur, who use these far-fetched theorise to bolster their egos.

good journey.

Can you provide a link showing that all those involved with demolition regularly use the phrase pull it when they bring a building down? Where is the evidence to suggest that Silverstein would know of the lingo? Why couldn't "it" refer to the firefighting effort? Can you prove it didn't? All the pictures circulating showing fires only show the outside of the building. Do you have x-ray vision to prove those were the extent of the fires? It was a big building, filled with diesel fuel that caught fire, built over another building. Might the structure have something to do with the collapse? I'm not the one suggesting a wacko theory here. Provide something more than a single phrase that some people might use in the demolition industry.

The same thing can be said about god and religion. God defies all reasonable logic and yet, there are billions out there who believe in him. The keyword is believe. Some people believe in God, others believe in Chemtrails,alien implants or fake moonlandings - there's not much difference at the end of the day

In the same NOVA program that Silverstein said "pull it", a worker involved in the cleanup effort after the attacks, said "We're getting ready to pull the Building Six". And, the building was then brought down via controlled demolition. That was really a great thing, NOVA confirming the actual meaning of the term in that one show. And the firefighters never entered WTC 7, so there was no need to "pull" them out of it.

Another point - why would the Fire Dep't commander even phone Silverstein? Think about it - the firefighters are about to go in to WTC 7 to fight the fires in the building, when suddenly good ol' Larry the Owner gets a courtesy call from the Fire Chief! Asking Larry what they should do!! I didn't know the Fire Chief got firefighting advice from Larry!!

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Fire Dep't Commander: "Whew. Thanks for the great advice, Larry" (click)
"OK, guys. Larry thinks we shouldn't fight the fire. He thinks it's best we pull it instead". (Cheers in the firehouse)

Doesn't sound to 'smart' to me.

Perhaps your definition of smart needs to be upgraded.

Smart people - Someone who irrationally demands Hard Evidence before accepting that a claim may be valid.



Free Thinker - Someone who not only Thinks Outside the Box, but also freely incorporates science fiction, religious belief, dreams and even drug induced hallucinations into their wild speculations about UFOs,chemtrails,ghosts and other unusual phenomena, and gives these sources weight equal to, or more likely greater than, the explanations offered by Establishment Science.

Lets look at one very important FACT that was has been offered by Establishment Science.

The Law of Falling Bodies, is the fastest speed an object can fall in a total vacuum.
Distance (d) = (32.16/2) x time in seconds^2

In this case (d) was the hight of the towers, wich was aproximately 1350. When the equation is solved the fastest speed an object could fall from that height in a total vacuum (no air or any other type of resistance) would be 9.1627 Seconds.

Let us remember that the botom half of each building was not damaged by the planes.

The South tower fell in 10.4 Seconds, and the North fell in 8.1 Seconds. How is that possible. If a pancake collapse happend then it would be slower, because of each floor hitting the one under it, wouldn't it slow it down? at least by a few seconds?


Another thing that bothers me. How could Bush have seen the first plane hit the building LIVE???

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html <-- click the link and watch it yourself

It wasnt shown on TV untill a while AFTER the second plane hit. And why was he STILL in the classroom for almost 20 minutes AFTER the second plane hit.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09...11.king.cheney/
He called President Bush in Florida and spoke with top aides. Then his door burst open.'Sir, we have to leave now.'

They cared about his safety, but let the President sit in the classroom like that??? That defies all logic.

And then you expect me to believe him when he says. "We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

I meant to answer this sooner, but I forgot where I read it and couldn't find your post until now.

Through literally years of daily research and investigation. I'm addicted to learning, and knowledge. The only TV I watch is the news. I don't pay attention to sports which I consider just a distraction. The only films I watch are documentaries. I have studied the bible, and the prophecies related to the future, as well as prophecies from other cultures like the mayans, and Hopi indians. I've studied the near death experiences, and the visions of the future they come back with. I've studied the occult, because you have to know your enemy in order to defeat them. With that background knowledge, I have been able to connect the dots and see the parallels between them all. Things I was talking about six years ago, are now coming true. War in the middle east (babylon), the verichip, the rise of the police state measures, etc. It has given me the big picture, of the big picture. I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, but the picture, is becoming obvious.

I read both the mainstream news in America, and across the world when I can. Mostly I focus on the independent media on the internet. Because I read both, I can see the obvious difference. Mainstream media are liars by ommision. Mainstream media distracts the population with useless info, and propaganda. You will only hear of the 9/11 official story being dismantled in the independent media, while the mainstream won't even mention it. Which is why so many people don't know anything about 9/11 being an inside job, and believe the official version.

Someone once called me the jack of all trades, but master of none. Fairly accurate..

Dont take me the wrong way but you doing exacly what your saying right now. What makes you so certain that your right by saying those positions right and not wrong

Dude, you seriously don't realize that you completely contradicted yourself in the original post I quoted..........

Baku.

I thought my latest post made that pretty clear,if you can see past the irony


"Smart people - Someone who irrationally demands Hard Evidence before accepting that a claim may be valid.



Hoaxbeliver - Someone who not only Thinks Outside the Box, but also freely incorporates science fiction, religious belief, dreams and even drug induced hallucinations into their wild speculations about UFOs,chemtrails,ghosts and other unusual phenomena, and gives these sources weight equal to, or more likely greater than, the explanations offered by Establishment Science."


Edd - changed "free thinker" to Hoaxbeliver.

where would these smart people get their 'hard evidence'? mainstream media?

Dont you remember when Bush sent troops to iraq a few years ago? every time u turned on CNN u saw 'war on terror'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propoganda

This is exactly what i'm talking about. He said he was looking for WMD, and you heard it everywhere... WMD WMD WMD.... Just before that it was Osama Bin Laden Osama Bin Laden Osama Bin Laden Osama Bin Laden Osama Bin Laden

Why is wanting evidence irrational?

He's just being facetious.

You people and your one liners. Why don't you elaborate.

I disagree. While I learn everything the average person learns I also study the suppressed information, and classified and recently declassified info, as well as government whistle blowers. Sure I watch the mainstream news, but I also read all the independent news, which gives you both sides of the story, and form my opinion by looking at all perspectives rather then just the controled perspective.

I'm not saying I'm not an average person, but I have a much better understanding in the world of geopolitics, than the average person.

Thats what I keep saying.

And you're right there is a huge difference between mainstream and independent news, and not just in this country. There was a little incident in my friend's country, where the gov's official news said that (numbers not accurate, just an example) 10 policemen died, 86 bandids, and 0 civilians, Independent sources said 10 policemen died, and 163 civilians. This was in Uzbekistan, and the bandids were just normal people trying to escape the country, this occured in the 'neutral' zone between two countries. Many bi-standers where killed as well.

Just out of curiosity, scooby, how do you get suppressed and classified information to study? It might help if we had a source.

Like someone said,D is being ironic with the "irrationally" remark.

Get it?

Some of you peoples are just silly silly silly

Where do you skeptics get this Hard Info from?
Must be where all the believers can see it too...right?
But the info believers are often forced to rely on is a little harder to get to.
media is often wrong (not on purpose) and only show like half the story.

Do you guys remember the story of the police in Britain killing the Brazilian guy?

You think people can't lie??? <---- VERY important point ok.
Given the corrrect Motive anyone is capable of lieing about anything.

There have been lots of unclassified papers coming out of the US recently.
They can be found on the internet (scans of the original docs.)
As far as classified stuff, Im not so sure.
I have had ex-military people tell me not is all as it seems.

Don't forget hackers...
The one in britain that may get 70 years (he said they had ET officers; Not aliens but people residing not on earth.)

All the Chinese hackers aswell.
I have a chinese freind who hacks all the time. It is amazing what he can do.
He was investigated by the FBI and had to give back $20,000
I think he took more like $30,000 (he has like no morals but whatever)
He wont hack the government because they now watch his computer stuff.

Who is more powerful Government or one person? So which story do you hear?
You people must see it as a possibibilty...

Be objective of not only cpnspiracy as you guys put it, but also the mainstreem sh**. Look closer. Don't be lazy.

Anything that you can investigate you should. Start with something simple that you can test yourself. You will almost certainly lose faith in what you hear everyday.

For me it was marijuana. In school I was told how evil it was. I tried it; (thinking I was going on a path to destruction mind you) What actually happened is that I was able to face problems that I was running from. It made me feel things were possible that I thought I could never do. It also killed my depression. (I didn't tell anyone because I didn't want to be on those dangerous drugs) Depression gone withen a week (had it for years having to do with my parents splitting up I think)
I don't smoke now because I get drug tested at work.

That was enough for me to not believe what I was being told. And start believing what I was finding to be true.
Believers should actually be called non-believers

I now have a thirst for knowledge like Ive never had before.