the problem is it is difficult to separate out the patriarchal society from the dominant patriarchal religions. It is only in very recent history we even have begun to have secularization. Do you refer to the abrahamic god when you say "god fearing"? this is particularily important because the abrahamic religions were born under patriarchies, and adopted that which was already present.
It should be obvious that the gods change with the religions that change with the societies. To that extent, so long as the religions are accepted, the definitions of the gods will accept what the society is built upon. A patriarchal society, with patriarchal gods, will indeed have gods that accept women as "inferior". To do otherwise would compromise the power structure and the validity of the god within said society!
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I EXPLAINED THIS A COUPLE OF PAGES BACK....You find it if you want to check.
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let's go to anthropology 101, ok?
for those of us who realize the universe is more than 6000 years old, only:
the rest of you please ignore this post.
not long after our ancestors (the "cro-magnon") killed off their predecessors ("the neanderthal"-or maybe they just went into hiding-ever hear of the yeti? or bigfoot?), they organized into "hunter-gatherer groups". these loosely-organized tribes survived on a minimal culture, the men doing most of the hunting, the women doing the gathering. the women were in charge, and hence the great period of mother goddesses, etc. eventually, when the little cities evolved to walled city-states, and started killing each other, the men took over, and the mythology changed. instead of a mother goddess creating her own consort, who then impregnates her, so she may creat the universe, you have bizaare, sterile male gods that create the universe, essentially stripping the women of their authority. in modern times we call this "the catholic church".
in defense of judiasm, contrary to the smut depicted of judiasm by christianity, women are, and have always, been regarded as actually superior to men in many ways. Sorry, the gospel of Paul is full of sh--t on this issue. women have much fewer laws to obey, don't have to cover the soft spot on their head unless married, and don't get circumcized. why? because, in judiasm, women are regarded as closer to god, because life is made in their bodies! ask a rabbi if you don't believe me!
the god of the hebrew scriptures is not male! yes the male pronoun is usually used, but only because there is no neuter in hebrew. if you read hebrew, you notice sometimes a male (el, yahweh,etc.), female (eloah, ruach,etc.) or plural (elohim, shaddai, etc.) is used. unfortunately, the authors of the n.t., writing hundreds of years later, didn't read hebrew, and were not jews. the word for "spirit" is male in latin and greek, so the christians twisted it around as if three men created the universe, with no mother!
for those of us who realize the universe is more than 6000 years old, only:
the rest of you please ignore this post.
not long after our ancestors (the "cro-magnon") killed off their predecessors ("the neanderthal"-or maybe they just went into hiding-ever hear of the yeti? or bigfoot?), they organized into "hunter-gatherer groups". these loosely-organized tribes survived on a minimal culture, the men doing most of the hunting, the women doing the gathering. the women were in charge, and hence the great period of mother goddesses, etc. eventually, when the little cities evolved to walled city-states, and started killing each other, the men took over, and the mythology changed. instead of a mother goddess creating her own consort, who then impregnates her, so she may creat the universe, you have bizaare, sterile male gods that create the universe, essentially stripping the women of their authority. in modern times we call this "the catholic church".
in defense of judiasm, contrary to the smut depicted of judiasm by christianity, women are, and have always, been regarded as actually superior to men in many ways. Sorry, the gospel of Paul is full of sh--t on this issue. women have much fewer laws to obey, don't have to cover the soft spot on their head unless married, and don't get circumcized. why? because, in judiasm, women are regarded as closer to god, because life is made in their bodies! ask a rabbi if you don't believe me!
the god of the hebrew scriptures is not male! yes the male pronoun is usually used, but only because there is no neuter in hebrew. if you read hebrew, you notice sometimes a male (el, yahweh,etc.), female (eloah, ruach,etc.) or plural (elohim, shaddai, etc.) is used. unfortunately, the authors of the n.t., writing hundreds of years later, didn't read hebrew, and were not jews. the word for "spirit" is male in latin and greek, so the christians twisted it around as if three men created the universe, with no mother!
i quote my onw previously ignored post with my permission.
QUOTE(bacca @ Aug 28 2005, 03:29 AM)
PA your right and that is my point. For some odd reason most places keep the positions of the most importants for men and I don't understand that, which is why the original question was posted. If god would look at both sexes equally then wouldn't the human way of separating things and making men superior go against god's word? and if it doesn't then why doesn't it? Will those men who look down on women be treated harshly in gods eyes? or will that be acceptable because god would have done the same? if you believe that then i think no woman should ever do anything but turn her back on him.......I do not stand for any man who thinks himself better then me for any reason, I know very strong women who would never stand for this from anyone and I agree women are strong, and smart they are capable of doing anything they believe themselves capable of. however men seem to enjoy the idea that they can belittle women and keep the 'in there place' which makes men's lives easier..................and then they wonder why they can't get a date 
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You have a skewed impression of what role is deemed "most important", or to paraphrase "most powerful". Jesus advocated that he who wishes to be greatest must be the least. The leader must be the servant of all. You are obsessed with the "all power to the woman" mentality, which isn't a bad thing, but puts emphasis on a person's role and not on the God whom should be worshipped.
that aside, I said nothing of women being second class citizens. I never claimed they were incapable of doing the job (indeed I went out of my way to make it clear I believed otherwise). Women can hold positions of "power" if you wish to use that term. Preacher, teacher, small group leader, youth group, Sunday school, mission work - many others. The role of the pastor is for men though. NOt because they are better. Not because they are superior. NOt because women are incapable.
Does that answer your question? There is no inequality. No "superior" sex as you put it. God treats all equal. We are but servants to God.
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Aug 28 2005, 04:15 AM)
So do you agree with this position, that only men are allowed to preach?
Are not women, who nurture life and bring it forth, not able to spread the word of god? And why is that so?
This isn't a flame, nor is it a 'trick' question. I am interested in your opinion, PA. Can you explain why you follow this trend? Your opinion please, not just "because"...
good journey
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Are not women, who nurture life and bring it forth, not able to spread the word of god? And why is that so?
This isn't a flame, nor is it a 'trick' question. I am interested in your opinion, PA. Can you explain why you follow this trend? Your opinion please, not just "because"...
good journey
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Of course women can preach. I never claimed they couldn't. The role of the pastor is much more encompassing than that of teacher.......
Hope that helps
Regards, PA
QUOTE(bacca @ Aug 26 2005, 01:38 AM)
Do you think that god would treat men and women differently? Some churches require women to cover from head to toe or always wear a skirt, women can't be priests or preachers or if they can it's only recently that that was possible. Society as a whole seems to have a place for either gender some things are expected of women and some of men....so do you think that god would be the same way? do you think that he would expect men to do things but if a woman did them they would be judged differently for it? and of course the other way as well that some things are expected of women etc.......
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God is a WOMAN
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AND SHOW RESPECT TO ALL THE WOMENS
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