When I read Erich von Daniken's books, written more than 40 years ago, i start to realize that many of his ealier theories have turned-out to be correct... The final proof for extraterrestrial life is not yet there, but I see this theory as highly likely.

I found his latest web-site highly interesting:

http://www.evdaniken.com

Have a look! I wish him luck!

Welcome to um, it's nice to have you!..

Your going to find most of us do not like nor belive anything Eric has to say.. The web site looks great, it's been posted many time's before. But just so you know the this he got right he stole from real researcher's and alot of what he write's is just BS he makes up too sell book's, anyone who is really into history and fact's know this.. But on the bright side, Ron will love this he like's the guy so you'll have someone to post with who will agree with you for sure,

Anyway it's nice to have you here, hope you stay around...Um's a cool place to post.


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=47186

You may want to read this thread it's about Eric..

Thanks for giving me the link to the other forum! I just had a quick look.

The web-page I was referring to was actually

www.evdaniken.com

But the other www.mysteries.com.sg looks really cool too!

Anyhow, I think it is good to have different opinions. That makes life interesting. I am science trained and tried to evaluate his theories with as little prejudice as possible. I give it a good chance for beeing accepted in a few years. Dont forget, only a few years ago the newpapers and science journals were full of stories denying any chance of life in the universe. What happend today? CNN, TIMES, etc all write about it. Maybe in a few more years we have finally found some evidence for life out there.

The next question will then be if the Earth was ever visited by intelligent forms of life from outher space.

Anhow good to have a spectrum of views! Thanks and good luck!

Thanks but before warned, not many will feel this way about Eric.. But i do respect your opinion and hope to see more from you.

Welcome Seti!
Isis is right you might not want to mention his name too loud in here.

Däniken is an old boy with an over-active imagination, his theories are about as truthful as Star Wars is.

Since I'm new here, can someone tell me why Daniken is frowned upon?

Welcome Night Star, Daniken is frowned upon, because he has been proven over and over to be a lier, a fake. He will act as if he has done all this research and that he has found out all these's fact's only he can truly understand..bla bla bla...

He is the biggest fake and lier next to David Icke there is.

well I like the writings af mr Daniken...it makes me dream
But of course I know he has the same realibility like Bob Lazar or Adamsky = none. lol

Lux, there is nothing wrong with that. as you said he make's you *dream*, That is a really good thing, My problem with Daniken is, I want fact's stone cold fact's and if you tell me this is what you think, but you have no really proof at this time, then i can deal with that as well.. that to me is what thinking or dreaming is..But he does not do this, Dankien just lie's out right to sell his book's, And will make theory's up to fit what ever claim he he is trying to make at the time, If you take his books and really read what he is saying you can't or I can't help but feel as though he thinks i am a fool, And he has pulled one over om me or the reader.

Only David Icke is crazier then this guy, But that is my opinion and has alway's i respect what other's opinion maybe in regard to any subject.

I know he is a liar...and i want to plain cold fact!

Maybe we could but him and David Icke in the same roon and watch them fight of who's lies are the truth.

*plugs ears* No, not more Erik von Daniken!!!!


really, think about it. the guy never gives any sources for what he claims. if he could show ANY sort of proof, i might consider what he says.

That was the point we have all been making...

If you look carefully at some of his references at the end of his books you will find, believe it or not, National Enquirer, etc.

If you look carefully at some of his references at the end of his books you will find, believe it or not, National Enquirer, etc. {quote},



I can't believe this.. I was so funny i could not stop laughing, I must adamite i never read his junk, so i did not know he had this listed as a reference's....

I kid you not, Isis. The authorative, original and infallible National Enquirer is listed among Eric's references. I met him, incidentally, in Basel, Switzerland.

I've been told that the National Enquirer is a very credible source by a gentleman who claims that Elvis gave him a haircut on a flying saucer.

Daniken has open a park called Mysteries Park in Switzerland (in Interlaken). I went there. All you "learn" when you get out that park is that everything on earth has been made by alien (pyramids, Mayan construction, Stonenedge.....). It cost me a lot for nothing. All this is just bs.
I think that he is just an old man telling story's

that man's a lunatic!

I wonder what happen to our thread starter, He did more then one thread about Daniken, in a dew different forms and i have yet to see him reply again sense that night.

Wonder if he went AWOL, because i asked if they where friends..or if he really was Daniken, just wanting to see what we all thought about him..

Oh well maybe he will come back to one of the threads and tell us more about why he thing's guy is so good. I love to talk more about it with him.

I do not understand how you can be so bastant about Erich von Däniken. Have he been proven wrong? That etablished science is against him is no wonder, his theories compete whith them, and they do not like that.
One of the best evidence that he has mentioned in one of his books (sorry, I forgot its name) is that early mankind had vistiors from other worlds, told by the dogon people in Africa. To make it short:
Their historytelling is oral, passed from generation to generation for thousands of years. Two German antropolhogists spend years with then in the late 1920ies, and the two wrote books about the dogon peoples history, and had them published in 1930ies. The books are in the German National Bibliotek, available today to read.
The dogon told the two German antropolhogists about the god Nommo who lived with them thousands of years ago. Nommo cam down to earth to live with them thousands of years ago. Among many things this god Nommo told them about the star Sirius, that is was a binary star, and a lot of details about this binary star system.
That Sirus is binary system could not be confirmed before our telescopes was powerful enough to observe it, and that was many decades after the two antropologists published their books in the 1930ies. The other details was not confirmed before very near our time.
This is refered to by Erich von Däniken as one of his best evidences. Is he wrong about this, do you have information that prove this wrong?
Erich von Dänikens general theory is that ancient astronauts lived with the early mankind, and he mean he can find evidence of this in all peoples history and religions. epecially the Indian veda verses is full of stories about spaceships and battles in space and here on earth, with descriptions, very detailed, of spaceships and weapons. do you this that this is all religious mumbo-jumbo, and a result of runaway imagination of people for thousands of years ago?
Many experts in shaping and cutting of stone, have said that they cannot build pyramids like those in south-America, even with todays powertools and diamondsaw cutting tools, and lifting cranes. Many of the pyramids millions of stoneblocks are made from the hardest granite, and the precision of the cutting that hardly be duplicated with todays techology.
These pyramids and buildings may not have been made by aliens, but couldn't you at least give Erich von Däniken credit for suggesting that they were built by techologially advanced civilisations, when they cannot be built today with todays technology for shaping stone?
Do you think that archelogy is an exact science? When did qualified guessing become a method of exact science?
When you can call Erich von Däniken a liar, and other insults, I think you owe the readers of this forum at least an expaination.

"Proven wrong?"

Is that the criterion?

If so, please prove me wrong when I say that VonDaniken doesn't actually exist, that he is a made-up, fabricated author, created by "mainstream" archaeologists so they would have someone to argue with and thus illuminate their theories.



In fact, the Dogon do have Sirius myths in their mythology, but none included the binary star info until after the Dogon had contact with the west, long before these anthropologists met them.

Members of the Dogon tribe served in World War I.



See above.

Ever heard of the "Lolladoff Plate?" A piece of pottery showing a UFO and an alien "Grey." VonDaniken used this "evidence" to make part of a point about a polish professor "Lolladoff" who is one of his sources on the "Chinese Roswell" story (Dropa Stones) that first appeared in EVD's writings (and not in, as his story goes, any Russian Magazine - they got it from him, in fact.)

Prof. Lolladoff never existed, and once an intrepid BBC reporter found the potter that actually made the Lolladoff plate, EVD admitted he had committed fraud.

Not surprising - he'd served time already for defrauding the hotel he worked in prior to his rising to infamy with "Chariots of the Gods?" He wrote that book while in jail.

EVD actually said that he had paid the man to forge evidence because (words to the effect of) "...without evidence, nobody will believe me..."

No sheet.



Another lie. There is nothing that ancient man did that we cannot do more efficiently and more exactingly. This includes any stonework, any construction and anything else.

See above. Do you think that EVD actually admitting that he forged evidence is enough for us to consider him a liar?

Harte

^ no guys, von Daniken was always proven right...when Easter and Christmas fall on the same day....


*goes and bangs his head against the wall*

I'm fairly new here so I've never had the pleasure of replying to a Von Daniken thread. The problem I have with Von Daniken is not so much his theory that aliens may have visited the Earth, but with the attitude towards he ancient people who in all probability DID create these ancient sites. He seems to imply that the people of (for example) Nazca couldn't possibly have created such wondrous works of art - well why not? Surely we've all moved away from the idea of everyone before the modern age being an ignorant savage? Humans of all cultures from all over the world have a fantastic history, created amazing structures and works of art. If aliens ever had visited the Earth (and for all I know they may have done - I can't prove they didn't) I wonder why they didn't build structures of fantastic elements not found on Earth. I think we should give credit where it's due to the artists who created the lones at Nazca, the pyramid buiders of South America and thestone movers of Stone Henge.

I couldn't agree more. There's more than a hint of old-school prejudice in 99% of pseudo-historians who basically claim indigenous peoples couldn't build Machu Piccu, Angkor Wat or the citadel of Zimbabwe.

--Jaylemurph

It's interesting because Von Danikans book is very similar to what Rael talks about (with many differences of course). I like Von Danikan because he came to this realisation all by himself. The theory is very very likely - and would explain much about why we have different religions etc. Perhaps you would be interested in Rael's book, who's a Frenchman that claims he was given a message by these people who used to visit us.....I think you'll like it (even if you don't believe it).

It's called "Intelligent Design - Message from the Designers" Download it for free at www.rael.org

Yeah, if you pound Occam's razor completely out of your senses...

Hey! Maybe all that trapanning down in the Neolithic was actually the first generation of Raellianiam!

--Jaylemurph

Many of the magificent pyramids and buildings in for instance south-America is buildt with millions of precicely shaped stones that has an average weight of tons. The archaelogoists tells us they were shaped by banging stones against stone, because they had allegedly not other tools that stone tools in ancient time.
Have anyone tried to separate a 10 ft by 8 ft by 8 ft stone from a mountainside, then shape it with perfect 90 degree corners, make it perfectly slabsided and smooth, often with intricate precise recessions, using stone tools no harder than the material you want to shape? Please try.
The archelogoists say they had only stone tools, because they have not found other than stone-tools in archaelogical diggings. Period. So there.
Archaelogoists are not experts in shaping stone, so why has it been left to the archelogoists alone to explain these ancient structures? Why not include scientists from eksact sciences, together with experts in shaping stone, logistics, and others from different scientific diciplines?
Archaelogoists know only about wooden rollers, rope, stone-tools, and therefore everything they find must have been buildt by these only.
Anyone with a minimum of practical incliniation will know that it will take much more than that to make the magificent buildings and structures in south-america when they see them.
I think Erich von Dänikens general theory can not be overlooked, it has many good points. He may have had wrong about some of his evidence, but his general theory do not suffer by this. Too many things points to a possible visit by ancient astronauts, witnessed by early man.
Archaelogy is not an eksact science, much more qualified guessing, and I think they can be very selective in their findings, trying to make their findings fit the evelutionary path of man they believe have happened.
Then Erich von Däniken comes along, messing up their time-tables, and present an alternative, and plausible theory. Good we have Erich von Däniken to ask the questions we overlook.

Indeed it does. Because he made them up. He admits that.



Riiight. Because, you know, liars are credible.



Archaeology is not an exact science? All I can say to that is you /clearly/ don't know what you're talking about. You've confused the different fields of history, archaeology and biology.



You also /clearly/ need to read my book. It does all these things you say, in an intellectually stimulating blend of lies, blurry photographs, ignorance and deliberate misrepresentation to challenge mainstream history, ideal for the credulous and militantly misinformed. It's We Were As Fleas on their Backs: The History of Our Basset Master, available for $14.95.

--Jaylemurph

So them suggesting it was made with tools found at the site is less credible than suggesting it was made by alien technology of which not a trace remains at the site?
As has been said before give humaity some credit for ingenuity and determination. I too feel that it is sad to take away from these cultures the monuments they worked so hard to create.

Also i'd liek to add in even relatively amateur acheology thought is given to seeking the expertise of other areas. for example any prgramme detailing ideas on how pyramids were built you will find at least one architect or whatever trotted out to give their views. ARcheology is far more than looking at a series of small walls and guessing what went where. There have even been many attemtps to re create many methods that have been considered in use in ancient times. Archeologists do not stand alone ignoring all other science. Many of the tools used to examine archological evidence come from other scientific disciplines.
The reason someone would say that stone tools were used is simply that al the evidence laid out in the area points to stone tools being used. Jsut as in egypt chisels were used, as evidenced not only by the chisels being there, but by records showing they were handed out daily and returned. Kept because the metal used in them was valuable at the time. how could such records exist if all the labour was done by alien intervention.
The assumption that man could not have done it seems often to be based on a lack of knowledge of the evidence that actually exists.

Because his 'theories' are based on false (sometimes knowingly) & inaccurate suppositions.

Read this. It shows a few of lies, a few of his manipulations and mentions his convictions for embezzlement, forgery and fraud.
I'd say those are enough for warrant calling him a liar and a fraud.

--Jaylemurph

Besides his finding of the "Metal library" ... but that chapter seems to have disappeared in newer editions of his books.

But you can still read about it here!

--Jaylemurph

I like reading EVD, its fun, but you gotta rember its only a theory, so why do you guys get so worked up about it. EVD is entitled to his theory. hey does this ring a bell Einstiens THEORY of relativity.

There's a significant difference between a /scientific/ theory like Einstein's and the lazy, common use of theory to mean (in essence) "a possibility".

--Jaylemurph

A theory is a theory. its all hypothetical.

No, it's not.

Scientific theories are not hypothetical, usually.

Harte

*resists temptation to scream/swear/smash monitor*

A theory is:

a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation.

A hypothesis is:

a suggested explanation for a phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal suggesting a possible correlation between multiple phenomena.

*shakes head*

The THEORY of relativity is testable, and can be used to prove future results.

EVD's work is a collection of half-arsed ideas - and ideas not even based on objective research and observation.

Well I have never heard of him either.

And I wish I hadn't what an arrogant sod. 30 years his predictions were not news. Asimov had been writing about other worlds scientifically for decades, this was not a new concept at the time. Same for Genetic cloning etc, it may have been in its infancy but it was by no means and un heard of goal.

Yes I can see why his name is muck, may it remain so!

Amen

So on the grand scale of things isnt einstiens theory only a theory because it comes from a man, and as men,women ,humans we dont fully understand the universe an all its workings and what goes on in it, and what really is the frabic of our existence, so coming from humans who in reality dont fully understand what we are living in, that make it a theory till someone or something comes along an tells us that that theory is correct or incorrect.
We humans presume too much.

Read much?

Why not start with what Emma said?

Harte

You guys might get a kick out of Professor Solomon's Book: How to Make the Most of a Flying Saucer Experience.

You may download it from Mininova here: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1066738

It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, and also a little tedious at times. But it covers the history of UFO sightings in the 20th Century, and provides biographies of the main proponents of the genre, their clubs, and associations.

And don't worry about the download, Professor Solomon endorses free downloads. In fact, I would have posted the book here, but the PDF is too large: about 4.5 MByte.

Enjoy.

Damn. And here I am with $14.95 burning a hole in my pocket.

--Jaylemurph

You could always buy a book about The Laws of Karma....with your $14.95......

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Anyway.....I have the 1973 edition of 'In Search of Ancient Gods' by Von Daniken in front
of me. It is choc-a-bloc with really good pictures and photos....and in the final paragraph
of the book....Von Daniken says.....

"In my world alien astronauts lived on our planet thousands of years ago and our
ancestors looked on them as 'gods'. They dictated the whole truth to earthly scribes
and commanded them to hand on this truth unadulterated to future generations.
The human failing of 'knowing better' distorted the truth. Religions came into being.
Knowledge and truth were replaced by belief. The great majority of mankind still believes
in a truth that is no truth. That is why I take the minor liberty of trying, with my theories
and speculations, with the results of my researches and with my awkward questions,
to bore through the blinkers which, forgive my saying so, most of us are still wearing."


These kinds of things are discussed more widely now.....but Von Daniken was one of the first few
in this modern era to get such a dramatic idea out into the open.....and that is why his books and his
theories and speculations were/are so popular......he hit a live nerve with people.....
his theories and speculations obviously resonated with large numbers of the general population.....
who aren't stupid....and recognise a facinating POSSIBILITY when they see/hear it.

Schizophrenics live in their own world, too...



But his theories and speculation are /lies/. Confessed lies. And he's a /convicted/ liar and thief.

And what you're suggesting -- in essence -- is that we ought to believe these ideas because they're more interesting. I can't help but consider that juvenile thinking in many ways. Don't you agree there's palpable benefit in believing things that are true rather than just interesting? If you ever are pulled over by a police officer, chances are your more "interesting" views of what should be are going to matter a lot.

--Jaylemurph

Read my post again.......I'm not suggesting anyone should believe anything....merely making
an observation and quoting from one of his interesting and popular books...
Regarding the truth......who knows the truth? Me? You? Just because you are hell bent on character
assassination.....this does not change what the truth of this matter is......what-ever that truth might be.

Von Daniken was a pioneer regarding these kind of ideas......but no-one has to believe them or give
them due consideration.....if they don't want to.