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etvisitor7
original.gif Speaking through the channel Robert Shapiro, Jesus ('Yesua' in Aramaic) said (on 21st April, 1998):

"Even now there are Christian churches that have begun to openly embrace the mystical. In the beginning of what has come to be known as Christianity, for the first few hundred years the gatherings (NOT churches) were very mystical, much more so than now. Some of that was lost for a time, but it will return.
One thing that will support that return is a greater connection between human beings and all other living beings on the Earth, not only those who are present with you now, but those who have existed in the past. When I refer to living beings, I'm not only talking about your ancestors, but also four-legged beings, many-legged beings, winged beings and finned beings--all of these. As this connection becomes more solid, then a lot of relaxation goes on in the human being, because the human being will realize that it is not as necessary as they thought to do everything. Even many great mystics who exist in your time now have a greater sense of urgency because even though they know they are not isolated and that there are others like them out there, they still feel that there is more for them to do than they can do, and this sometimes tires people out.
Because what you call animals are doing so much, there's not as much to do as you think. An individual ant or spider will perform and create energetically in a single 24-hour period as much benevolent energy as a prayer group or a meditation circle might produce in 10 minutes at the deepest level of their work together. That is why all these different individuals doing all these things all the time are much more unified in their multiples than is apparent.
It's my intent to remind you of these things. When I came to Earth in that life, I spoke a lot about the life around the people. A lot of the people I spoke to were dissatisfied and, not unlike your time, their world was not what they needed it to be. They wanted something more or different, just like now, and they needed it. If they couldn't at that time have something more or different, I would teach them how by connecting with other types of beings. I taught them how to blend with the birds so that they could feel themselves in flight, or with the fish so they could feel total harmony. There is no being as much in harmony with its total surroundings as the average fish. I would teach them how to feel like he animals they would raise, when those animals were vigorous, so that they could understand what the animals needed from them if they could provide it.....
I taught this not only to expand the people's experience of their world, but also so that they could understand that the animals were really part of them, that most of the urges of animal beings have direct parallels in the human world. For the sake of human beings, most of the mystical traditions of the average animal have paralleled the needs in the human being. So if you could connect with these animals in benevolent ways for yourself and the animal, you might find yourself DREAMING or feeling nurtured or encouraged to do more spiritual, benevolent things for yourself, your family, your tribe and your people, because these spiritual practices are so integrated into the animal world." yes.gif
Piney
blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif wacko.gif Christianity have nothing to do with animals. If it did the Europeans certainly would of been as nature concience as their pagan ancestors and this world would not be such an eviromental mess

lapi'che ni'tis
SilverCougar
I'm starting to like Piney... X)
Faeden
Yes it says somewhere in the bible that the earth, animals, and nature are here for humans to exploit, and use for there own benefit, its no wonder Bush (being an evangelical) is determined to do nothing about the damage to the environment, it would not surprise me if he believed raping the planet was gods will, just like he believed that it was gods will he became president and go to war. And Georgie porgy pudding n pie probably thinks I am evil w00t.gif

All the best
Faeden
zandore
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Aug 29 2005, 05:29 PM)
I'm starting to like Piney... X)
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Ashley-Star*Child
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Yes it says somewhere in the bible that the earth, animals, and nature are here for humans to exploit, and use for there own benefit


Au contraire. If they had have kept with the original it plainly states as responsility of this 'kingship' over the animals and the Earth that you must look after it and respect it. As I've said before it very p[lainly states animals have souls, that they do not get judged, have their own Heaven and if you treat them badly or with cruelty, even in secret that they will accuse you on your death.
Purplos
I have severe doubts this guy channeled Jesus, but original Christianity did have much to do with nature/animals. Like Ashley said, having Kingship over the animals was probably speaking of a benevolent dictatorship as opposed to a corrupt one.

If you go back far enough, its amazing how much early Christian teachings coincided with Paganism - for example, in some early text (which I would have to look up), God and his wife created the world together. Some call this wife Sophia (meaning wisdom) who is tri-fold in herself as a young virgin, a fruitful Mother, and a wise old crone.

Then the stupid politicians came along and skewed it majorly for their own purposes. And that is what we have today.

The end.
Tangerine Sheri
When Myth turns into truth it becomes organized religon. Namaste sheri


I think the best way to respect animal life plant life is to make choices in our own lives that express that idea , everything begins with what we each decide to be and do and act on a personal level thats where our power lies not in debating the authenticity of ideas that are not serving us.
Darkwind
In order for the Christian religion for to accept the connection between non-human and human beings, they are going to have to acknowledge that all beings have a souls and in the eyes of the God/desses they are equal to ours.
ajagsfairy
To me God/goddess is life so therefore in all thats alive. I believe all living things have a soul even plants and trees. Its a proven fact that they carry energy and vibrations just like everything else. Look at how many animals have helped people by saving their life. I think that is the divine working through them or they are angels in discise. Blessings, Jo
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