Hey, I just want to know what category this falls into. When I'm relaxed and tired, such as when I try to sleep, I can warm my body up in about 15 seconds. It's kinda hard to explain how I do it though. I focus and my mind goes into a different state, I can feel that my breathing and heart rate changes almost instantaneously. I feel a tingling sensation all over my body. The heat starts spreading from the inside of my body to the outside. If I stop early, than I can feel that my inside is warm and my skin is still cold. Sometimes I can focus on only a part of my body, such as only my hands or only my feet, which are usually the coldest parts of my body when I go to sleep. It's a lot easier and quicker if I only do my hands though. I only wonder what category this falls under and if I can develop it some more and make it much stronger.

I can do that too. I just pull the covers over my head and breathe a little heavier than normal. Pretty soon I'm nice and toasty.
I'm teasing of course, I think you are imaging. Kind of the same as you would do for pain.

Say hello to blood, it can make you quite toasty.

It's just a placebo, you think that you can warm yourself up by doing something so when you do it, it feels like you're warm. But hey, if it works for you then keep on doing it, but don't expect to be regarded as special because of a fake power.

Spontaniaus Human Conbutions ? Friction ? I know having the air conditioner on warm, that would do it.

yeah, i'm sure it's just blood rushing through my body. Maybe i can control this natural process and warm up my body in cold temperatures during winter Maybe even do amazing things like swimming in ice water

No you can't control blood flow by force of will. Certain hormones in your body will affect that by either vasoconstriction (shrinking) or vasodilation (enlargement) making your blood pressure shoot up or down depending. Emotional states are usually a good example of a trigger (like fear) but its largely chemically induced for external factors too. For example garlic and onion have opposed effects on blood pressure.

I would not try in ice water at any rate as your body WILL freeze no matter how much you meditate in a matter of minutes (very few minutes).

Meditation is something certain cultures have developed for a number of practical reasons. Lets not make everything sound like magic because you miss the real wonder in these processes

Okay Bio,

Scrunch up your eyes, and tense all of your muscles, stay in this position for 30 seconds. Also think about something really hard.

Then, log back on, and tell me that the blood flow is not controlled by our minds.



Oh, here we go. Scientific innacuracy at its best.

So now, when you put ice in water, then add in any substance. It freezes?
No matter how long ice is in water, it will never freeze anything. It will simply melt away.
Now, tell me, if when you put ice into anything (say water), then things freeze,
Why doesn't the water freeze itself?

Also, humans have protection from the cold.
They adapt to temperature. Ever wondered how you can jump into a cold pool, on a cold day, then if you stay in for a while, it seems to get really warm?
Hmmmm....
And if humans had no protection from the cold (as in, 0 degree temperatures or so) how were eskimos placed in the coldest parts of Canada, and how did they survive without clothes?
In your mind, they would have frozen before they found an animal to kill for its skin!



Sorry if that seemed harsh, but I'm starting to dislike you

I've heard of monks being able to do this... but you?

I can't resist not backing Bio-Mage up. I'm fairly sure he meant controlling your bloodflow directly. You can go and sprint around a track to change it, but you have to sprint to raise your heart rate, you cannot raise your heart rate simply by willing it.


It's all depedent on the ratio to ice/water. If there is one cube of ice in a swimming pool, it's just going to melt. If there is one drop of water in a swimming pool full of ice, the water is going to freeze.

What do you mean by "Water freeze itself"? Water adapts to the temperature effecting it's molecules. If it is 400 degrees out, water is going to adapt to that temperature by boiling and raising in temperature itself. If it is -200 degrees out, water is going to adapt to that temperature by freezing very quickly. Water itself cannot manipulate it's own molecules, an outside factor has to do that.

Humans do not have any natural protection from high or low temperatures. When you are in a cold pool, your body adjusts to the temperature, given it's not an extreme cold in which your body can get hypothermia over long or short exposure.

Each person is different in this. I live in Maine and am used to the hot temperatures in summer, and the deathly cold ones in winter. Because of this, my body easily adjusts to each because it is used to experiencing each. On the other hand, someone from Arizona that comes up here in the winter would have a very difficult time dealing with the cold (Mentally of course) because they are used to the Arizona heat.

Eskimos didn't just instantaneously go from a warm climate to a cold climate. As you go from Mexico to Alaska, the change in temperature is very slow. It does get colder and colder as you go north [Or far south towards Antarctica] but it isn't just all of a sudden. Because of this, Eskimos would have had a chance to find clothing suitable for the temperature they were in as they went into the cold, since no Eskimo was just put in the cold, naked and without tools or other Eskimos.

What you describe uses skeletetal muscles but blood flow is controlled from lean muscles that are moderated from your subconcious. This example is unfortunate. Do go to school next time instead of browsing forums



Humans adapt to cold beter than adapt in heat. still adapting to cold weather is different than immersing in cold or freezing water. Your body cools down incedibly fast in water and once your core tmperature goes down the optimal 36.6C. Even a drop of 1 or 2 degres can cause serious harm in fact. Eskimos don't live underwater so take a hint.



I on the other hand feel no empathy towards you whatsoever...you are a waste of my time as it is.

I was gunna quote everything, but it would be a waste of space. I will follow the argument using points, and I believe you should be able to keep up.

In reference to the muscle tension:
You said you cannot control it. I say you can by use of other parts of your body. You control other parts of your body with your mind. To cut a long story short, you're controlling it with your mind, but via other systems.

In reference to the water temperature vs. land temparature.
So next time I jump in a cold pool, I expect myself to die. Great.
Oh yeah, and did I mention that "The record for the longest time spent in direct, full-body contact with ice, is 1 hr 8 min and was achieved by Wim Hof (Netherlands) on September 11, 2004."?
Well, he's not dead. That must have dropped his body temperature quite a lot.. Hmmmm...

In reference to the waste of time:
Wow, I bet I'm worth your time, as you took your time to rebut it. Whoopsydaisy!

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Now, in reference to Raven.

In reference to the raising of body temperature:
Same point as above, no matter what, you can control it.

In reference to ration of water to ice:
Okay, according to your logic, if I put 5 ice cubes in a glass, with one drop of water, and leave it in an environment not unlike your ice filled swimming pool, then an hour later, I should come back, and find that there are no droplets of water in my glass when I tip it upside down. Just for fun, I may even try that. (Sarcasm)

In reference to your 'water freezing itself' rebut:
Well, here I can actually pick you up on grammar. After all, we're talking about icy-water, not watery-ice. As we are talking of water being the noun, and icy the adjective. We refer to the water freezing itself.
So of course, the water itself isn't freezing itself, "water" is a term, it's actually the ice changing it.

In reference to your 'body has no defence':
Well, you talked of the body adapting to the water... I think this is defence in itself. Otherwise, my argument still stands, that if we had no protection, people suddenly put into cold environments by act of miracle, would die instantly.

In reference to your 'eskimos didn't do whatever now' argument:
I didn't say they moved anywhere. What if they were just placed there when life was created?
Now
"since no Eskimo was just put in the cold, naked and without tools"
Okay, how do you know? Are you suggesting that you were here at a time where recording of time hadn't started?


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Okay, seems this is getting silly.
I don't mean any disrespect by this, just so you know.

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Replacement.

Xeon mentioned swimming in ice water...pools don't have ice water...better follow the points by actually reading them...perhaps thats why I need to quote everything.

Secondly, canges blood flow is largely involuntary whethet you agree to it or not. Its not because I say it...its a fact. Read a bit of biology mate, arguing with me is pointless over established facts.

Some people can adapt to withstand cold for longer and your body fat influences that a great deal, however the average person will die in a few minutes in iced water. Again an established fact.

The fact that I take time to answer is because I am setting the record straight for the person that made the thread and not you. You are still a waste for trying to be personal out of the blue. At6 any rate the problem is your and not mine

Obviously you misread my term of "Icy water".
I describe it, and you still believe it to be something seemingly unrelated.

Now, there is no use arguing over this.
I KNOW that generally, blood movement is involuntary, but you said you cannot control it, and there's no use in arguing that you can.
We have established that.

Now, tell me this. If you die in iced water, how did people survive Titanic....?
Hmmmm..... it *might* just be me... but you seem to be making up your so called 'facts'.

Now, I did not get personal off the blue, actually, I have yet to become personal at all. To tell you the truth, I have yet to breathe a genuine insult.
Now, I'm not exactly sure why you have the smiley after saying something like that, but hey, it works

Like I said - NOTHING PERSONAL.
Life is too short to hate people

You do know they had a limited number of lifeboats don't you, and that no one survived that wasn't on one

I should note that their was a very small number picked out of the water immediately after the ship went down. Just because a handful survived out of the 1500 odd people that died that went in the water, and only had a limited time in the water, doesn't prove your point that you were trying to make



One might say that you should do some research on subjects you wish to discuss, so you actually know the "facts" in question


(edited for clarity)

Personal no?



read this it also mentions the titanic


http://www.humankinetics.com/products/show...excerpt_id=3606

hope that helps you clear a few things...I will dig more if you want me to.



I always smile because I never really want to fall out with people. Its harder to be nice than to be nasty. Lets just leave it here I agree

The utter stupidity of that comment astounds me.



Ever wonder why it isnt 3 hours and 8 minutes and why they had paramedics there watching him?



Go to school. No where in science does it say eskimos were created as they are and were immediately placed in that climate.



Are you suggesting that eskimos WERE placed ther in the cold, naked and without tools?

Heh you are kidding, right?




So these men were placed in arctic conditions and suddenly thought "crap, we have to adapt instantly, lets automatically build an igloo and adapt to our environment in 24 hrs before we die of cold!

I hope you realise how completely ludicrous that sounds. Or you sound, should I say.

Well I guess they aren't teaching evolution and how it works in school anymore.
Maybe someone was skipping that class, ya think.

Ive posted this before...
No he is not imagining it... Ive done it aswell.
I can only do it to my forehead as of right now.
Replacement saw my post he knows what I mean.
I can make my forehead hotter than 98.6 I suspect, but I havent tried (with a thermometer) since the last time because I think it may be dangerous.
My bro touched my head and jerked his finger back...
Now he believes me...

Until you've tried meditation for more than a few times I don't think you can understand.

You have control you just have to take it... Your body may naturally be on auto-pilot, but just like the pilot you can grab the contols.

What saddens me is that no one takes it uppon themselves to investigate anymore. Before you say impossible, just remember this...
Most people will agree with you, and most people will be wrong. History will repeat itself; and the earth is round.


EDIT: Think about this too... Ok humans are warm blooded (correct?)
And that means that are body can produce heat through use of calories (correct?) Meaning our bodies try and stay at 98.6 F

So what if you had enough stored energy and could contol the use or rate at which you burned it up??

Couldn't you then raise your temp. ??

Not saying that is what is happeneing, but im keeping an open mind (see).
Generalizing will always get you in trouble; school should have tought you that.

Bio: If every time someone addmitted that they didn't find you the best guy in the world, and you got insulted, that'd be silly
With the titanic thing, I don't find that it explains how people survived
I don't want to leave it there, but I do want to leave the attitude there
We can argue and still remain friendly right?

Stellar: I completely agree, that's why I was being sarcastic. I do NOT have a case of hydrophobia
And yes, it's dangerous, but if he can do it, then that means that the human body has the capability to. Duh...
Now, with the Eskimos, I'm not assuming anything. But still, it doesn't say in science that they DIDN'T just pop out of nowhere. If it did, then we would have greater ideas of what really happened all those years ago.

Richdog: That's exactly my point. I have a feeling nobody here has the capability to read in context. You scan it looking for loopholes, but you never find that in context, what I'm saying is fine.

Curiosity: While being right, I have never learnt of evolution, you again have failed to read the context of my thoughts.

Now here's a nice little thing to think about.
Humans used to use ice baths as a treatment for Paraplegia...
These could last from 5 minutes to 20.
Interesting hey?
People should have died after this treatment, but even kids withstood it.

Now, for people who seem to like jumping on wagons, you don't seem to be in the best position.

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As I said, no damn disrespect
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Oh! And the experiment.
Bottle 3/4 full of ice.
A very small amount of water was put in. (6 drops)
Came to the end of the day, it was in a cool evironment, and the water had not frozen.


So, to recap:

You CAN change your body heat with your mind.
You DON'T die when in contact with Icy water for more than 30 secs.

Oh yeah, and I've seen people jumping in Icy water holes too...
Interesting.

I also find it interesting how you all have selective sight. You choose to only see the points which have not beaten you with. For example, now none of you have argued my muscle and blood work. At least be gracious and acknowledge that hey, I do have some things right....

So I guess - Now we just have to keep arguing over this 'Hey, if I touch ice, I explode!' thing


Replacement.

EDIT: Just saw indeed's post. 702 survivors apparently... Can you find a site which tells me that no people that hit the water survived? Because I thought there were...

EDIT AGAIN!:
Want more proof?
24 hours in an icy bath. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...oymyakon_2.html


AND


Even google fight thinks you're wrong!
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=...+to+kill+people

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I can't believe you can't see this lol

Ill tell you what. Re read what I wrote, please quote where I said that no one that went into the water survived.

If you cant comprehend what people write, why should I even bother wasting my time looking for links, so you can just change and make up what you like about it to fit your position.

Its not good to change what people mean and say when debating an issue, especially when what they say is written infront of you.

No this was to show you when you became personal matey. I don't take offence if people find me unpleasant.



Since you didn't read it let me recap for you. It says some of the people on the Titanic died almost instantly coming in contact with the cold water. Plus it talks about RAF planes whose pilots also died just as fast in cold water. I know its not the absolute rule but it is more possible that you will die quickly under such conditions (if not in an instant). I have no problems with friendly. I may be a bit raw but I am far from unreasonable.



This experiment is irrelevant. The people in liquid clod water will lose core body temperature a lot faster (especially in the seawater). Your experiments just confirms why eskimoos find igloo suitable homes. Swimming in cold water is NOT like being amongst ice. It all has to do with contact surface and movement of molecules that dissipate the heat from your body.



The benefits of the water baths they describe are down to acclimatization to frost by exposing to cold water periodically. This constricts your blood vessels on your extremeties and it does cause other health problems further on. However since in that environment frostbite and respiratory infections are the biggest killers the trade is rather fair. Howerer a man in room temperature suddenly diving in cold water and use his meditative methods to warm himself up will do you no good. That was the point xeon made and that is why I responded to. I know the human body has extrodinairy capabilities but some things are not as simple as people think.



I sincerely hope that is the joke of your post In all honesty read a bit of physiology and it will give both to you and xeon a fresh more realistic perspective.

Indeed: "You do know they had a limited number of lifeboats don't you, and that no one survived that wasn't on one"
When I saw your post, I took this as a 'anyone who was in the water, wasn't on the lifeboats things Sorry for the mis-understanding.
And I didn't mean any insults or so with my post, I juts wanted links.. sorry if my language seemed a little harsh. I truely don't mean any harm....

Bio: Glad you liked the Googlefight thing I thought it was funny too
Although, I would like to ask if when you didn't take offence, you still call it personal? Because something is only an insult if
1) The mean thoughts are behind it.
2) It affects the other person.
Neither of these were met.
[I know its not the absolute rule but it is more possible that you will die quickly under such conditions (if not in an instant).]
Okay, so when you say that it takes a short time for people to die, can yo ugive me a rough estimate? Just wanna know what kinds of figures we're talking about here.
[I have no problems with friendly. I may be a bit raw but I am far from unreasonable.]
Do you find me unreasonable, because I think the same thing, I think that we're both just being rough.
[This experiment is irrelevant.]
The experiment was for Mr. Raven.

Now, I'm afraid that when I mentioned the Titanic and Eskimos, I made the mistake of throwing us into irrelevancy.
We are far from our original points.
I'm not withdrawing from these points of argument, and if you want, I will continue to discuss them with you.

But my oringinal point was if Xeon did what he is planning, would he die?
The answer is very obviously no.

He said.
"Maybe even do amazing things like swimming in ice water"

Okay, now tell me.
How cold, do you seriously think he can get his swimming pool?
If he tips in ice equal to roughly half the pool, it's not actually going to get to a life threatening temperature. I haven't tried this, I don't have proof, but that is what my logic is telling me. Chances are the ice would have melted before it got past 5 degrees.... if that.
Also, if he does reach these life threatening temperatures, how long do you REALLY think he'll stay in before thinking "Hey. I'm dying!"?
Seriously.

But I am gracious in defeat, and I will admit that with the Titanic thing, you have beaten me.
I have no-where else to go. If I say anything else, then chances are, yes. I'll end up losing worse.
So I'll quit while I'm behind.

But the fact that I won the mind and muscle thing seems to even it out a little...

However with Eskimos, I'm still interested
Because look, people say that they migrated there... with adequate tools, clothing, etc.
Now, I would like to ask, if a group of humans are smart enough to make tools and clothing, do you really think that they'd say "Hey guys, let's go to that freezing place where we'll most likely die!"?
Come on humans have instincts, and always have had them. It's just now we don't use them. I'm pretty sure the sex hormones are still slightly like insticts aswell.
With these instincts, animals can tell whether the place they're in is unsuitable for them, and so should have humans, as we were so much smarter even at this time.
And let's face it, freezing weather IS unsuitable for humans.

Andyway, I would like to say

To anyone who found my language a bit insulting or rude, I am telling you right now, it really was not supposed to be. If this was in real life, you would sence the tone of my voice and expression is very happy, but over the internet, it's easy to get confused, as these factors are lost

For a certain period of time, not indefinitly. At some point he would get hypothermia and die if not treated.



Umm... it sure does. Science is basically saying that, with current knowledge, it seems life didnt just "pop" out of nowhere...



You need to take a science class.

I sometimes do that when I have to go really bad , im jokin... maybe its a form of Telekinesis or possibly even pyrokinisis, if it it, don't do it often

We love replacement and his big (anti-frost) heart hope we discuss more topics in future matey

Double post. Sorry.

One thing that I don't understand:

When people have opposing opinions to yours, or even when they may have their facts mixed up, why does everyone get so agitated and irritated about it? Or not necessarily agitated, but just plain mean!

Bio, your comment about "Its harder to be nice than to be nasty." is completely the opposite of my thinking. *Shrug*

It just irritates me to see people get all pissy and insulting towards others just because of some misunderstanding. It'd be a lot easier to be nice about it, take the time to explain where they're incorrect, or why your opinion differs, and move on.

This thread's been like the gathering of negatives, it seems.

Exactly what are the context of your thoughts?

Of course the body doesn't die when in contact with ice water for 30 seconds. If that was so, then I would be dead a long time ago since I wash my hands with the water on cold year round.

Google Fight.

If you passed out in a pool of water at room temperature and your brain wasn't getting oxygen, it would die probably within 5 minutes, probably less.

If the same scenario happened but you were in water around freezing, it is possible for your brain to survive 20 minutes to an hour, and I've heard cases of longer.

Because of this, you can survive in ice water after your body has almost totally shut down.


This is possibly the most irrelevant and worst experiment I've ever seen conducted. I'm pretty sure Austrailia teaches the Scientific Method; I learned it in 4th grade. Not only is your experiment flawed in every way because of this, but you only used one bottle [More scientific method stuff for conducting an unbaised experiment] and you had no means of recording it. The water may have frozen, but if the bottle was at room temperature, depending on the amount of ice, the temperature of the room would have melted the ice. So the water could have frozen and then melted, or the ice could have melted. You can test this by holding an ice cube in your hand until it melts and experiencing the changes in temperature.

Tibetan monks warm themselves mentally. I saw them do it on an episode of Ripley's. They went and spent the night in the snow with hardly more than a loin cloth, and there was steam rising from their bodies.

If they can do it I suppose anyone can. Just don't run out and do anything foolish.
Make sure you know what you're doing first.