meyleunah
Nov 4 2005, 03:44 AM
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Nov 4 2005, 03:28 AM) [snapback]915610[/snapback]
Chill out. I'm just kidding with you.
You need to step back from your computer, stretch your arms in the air and eat a banana. It will control your stress. Oh, and pull the stick out of your...

Now how did you know thats where I keep my stick?
Cadetak
Nov 4 2005, 03:48 AM
Hey! Settle down now! You must now raise your hand before posting!
migrane
Nov 4 2005, 04:23 PM
i beelieve atlantis could have been hit by a hurricane they just put up sheilds and when the hurricane hit the island sank it could have been a small island
Guardsman Bass
Nov 4 2005, 04:43 PM
Good God! This has gone off-topic pretty thoroughly.
I would like to point out that the only actual account we have of a city called Atlantis is from Plato, which had some extraordinary details like layers of encircling canals on the island and so forth. Most likely, that means Plato simply made up the city to talk about his philosophy.
Cadetak
Nov 4 2005, 06:32 PM
My original post wasn't necessarily about if Atlantis is/war real or not. It was about if a place like Atlantis could have existed and washed away or if it could happen.
Ancient World Wonders
Nov 4 2005, 06:34 PM
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Nov 4 2005, 01:32 PM) [snapback]916341[/snapback]
My original post wasn't necessarily about if Atlantis is/war real or not. It was about if a place like Atlantis could have existed and washed away or if it could happen.
Yes. Atlantis could have existed. No one believed in Homer's story of Troy. Look, we found it! And six other cities on top of it!
DemonWatcher
Nov 4 2005, 09:58 PM
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Nov 4 2005, 12:34 PM) [snapback]916342[/snapback]
Yes. Atlantis could have existed. No one believed in Homer's story of Troy. Look, we found it! And six other cities on top of it!
so they believe at this point, but tomorrow it may be something else, i see your point, we are finding what we once thought wasn't there actually is, who knows, tomorrow we might find the garden of eden(or whats left of it)
Master of Geeks
Nov 4 2005, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Sep 1 2005, 10:49 AM) [snapback]821209[/snapback]
Hey maybe in a thousand years people will be telling stories of the Lost City of New Orleans.
I think if we build New orleans( or maybe New New orleans ) above sea lvl id be great to have a under water atlantis that really exists ( not to say the old one dosen't beacause i to think its there

) id make use of a ruinined city for billions of dollors hundreds of years from now and id help nature by making a reef out of a skyscaper ( but really who makes a city under sea lvl

)
M.E.I.C.C
Nov 5 2005, 01:04 AM
Hurricane Katrina was a prime example to the French not to build cities in a bowl...it will also teach Americans not to live in cities built by the French in a bowl move the city to the OTHER side of the river?!?!?!
Heck, our childrens childrens childrens and so-on....might read stories about a great country called America
Ancient World Wonders
Nov 5 2005, 03:15 AM
QUOTE(DemonWatcher @ Nov 4 2005, 04:58 PM) [snapback]916613[/snapback]
so they believe at this point, but tomorrow it may be something else, i see your point, we are finding what we once thought wasn't there actually is, who knows, tomorrow we might find the garden of eden(or whats left of it)
We have.
Guardsman Bass
Nov 5 2005, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(DemonWatcher @ Nov 4 2005, 02:58 PM) [snapback]916613[/snapback]
so they believe at this point, but tomorrow it may be something else, i see your point, we are finding what we once thought wasn't there actually is, who knows, tomorrow we might find the garden of eden(or whats left of it)
Just because we found one city that existed in legend (and which may or may not match the legend) doesn't mean that suddenly every legendary claim about a lost city is legitimately true. These things need real, solid evidence.
Cadetak
Nov 6 2005, 12:10 AM
I agree Gaurdsman, but all myths sprout from slivers of truth.
Does anybody have a link or something to what Plato actually said about Atlantis? It would be greatly appreciated.
Ancient World Wonders
Nov 6 2005, 12:51 AM
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Nov 5 2005, 07:10 PM) [snapback]918092[/snapback]
I agree Gaurdsman, but all myths sprout from slivers of truth.
Does anybody have a link or something to what Plato actually said about Atlantis? It would be greatly appreciated.
Do you want the edited or unedited version? Because there are a mulitude of versions floating around, little things changed here and there--explanations of Plato's story and possible theories--both right and wrong. I have a hardcopy of the original, unedited version. If you want to read a basic version, search google. You'll find one there.
Cadetak
Nov 6 2005, 11:58 PM
I'm a little confused...is it a story Plato wrote or like a paper? And when you say edited do you mean differeations in translations? I'll check google but IDK what sites will have the most accurate information.
Ancient World Wonders
Nov 7 2005, 02:12 AM
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Nov 6 2005, 06:58 PM) [snapback]919326[/snapback]
I'm a little confused...is it a story Plato wrote or like a paper? And when you say edited do you mean differeations in translations? I'll check google but IDK what sites will have the most accurate information.
Plato wrote the story of Atlantis in his dialogues the Critias and the Timeaus. These two tales tell of a fable island that was supposedly destroyed by the ancient Greek Gods in punishment for being corrupt and unjust. Some believe it was a morality tale, while others believe Plato was attempting to write down a story of a people who had been forgotten for thousands of years, our first ancestors and not the Neanderthals.
Your can find some basic information
here. Beginner info.
The Roswell Man
Nov 8 2005, 09:37 PM
Atlantis was a moral story.
Cadetak
Nov 8 2005, 09:42 PM
Again, this thread isn't necessarily about the existence of Atlantis but if a place like it could have or mite exist one day.
DemonWatcher
Nov 10 2005, 07:54 AM
that is possible, but not likely.
Cadetak
Nov 10 2005, 05:59 PM
I don't think a city submerged in water is unlikely, but it is unlikely that a place would have super tech that no one besides one person knew bout.
Guardsman Bass
Nov 10 2005, 06:04 PM
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I don't think a city submerged in water is unlikely, but it is unlikely that a place would have super tech that no one besides one person knew bout.
I agree. If there was some kind of super-advanced civilization existing some time in the last Ice Age, there should be some serious traces of their civilization, in the form of tools, lost mines, buildings, previous farm lands. decaying roads, and so forth. Some of that would be erased over time, but a lot of it would remain.
Bosanchero
Nov 10 2005, 06:36 PM
MY 2 CENTS
first of all i have never heard anyone say that atlantis had spaceships, alien technologies and other thinks that SCIFI lets you think they did,
second is there posibility that atlantis was a city, something like Troy, city that had people with brains in it, city that couldnt be defeated ??? this is very posible but unlikelly.
and last, my opinion on where atlantis was, atlantis to the best of my knowlege was probeably placed somewhere near the Gulf Stream, it was an Island/city, and citty existed back when the continent where placed much closer to each other than they are now,
when earth started to evolve into the shape that we know it as now, (Continents moving apart) atlantis when down in the ocean, and this were we get the name Atlantic
Gulf Stream washed the city away over the years,

so we have no evidence of it
however this is nothing but u stupid little BS storry that i just made up, no real evidence whatsoever can prove any of the things i just wrote,
isis-999
Nov 10 2005, 06:49 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe it's not a island....
Bosanchero
Nov 10 2005, 06:53 PM
Guardsman Bass
Nov 10 2005, 08:36 PM
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Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe it's not a island....

Of course. But then, if you do that, you lose the primary 'source,' Plato's account.
fantazum
Nov 10 2005, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Sep 2 2005, 09:36 PM) [snapback]823692[/snapback]
What is your proof for any of this?
Not only is there no geological evidence of a huge landmass ever existing between North America and Europe on a reasonable timescale (basically, in the past few million years), a map of the Atlantic Ocean contradicts your claim. In the middle of the Atlantic Ocean is the subduction vent, where oceanic crust is pulled down into the mantle and re-cycled.
Moreover, you claimed that Hydrogen technology resulted in the complete sinking of most of the Atlantean land mass. When something moves downward into Earth's gravitational field, it exchanges a degree of its potential energy for kinetic energy, much like a ball that weighs 3 kilograms up 10 meters above the ground exchanges the gravitational potential energy MGH (or, 3 X 9.8 X 10 = 294 Joules) for kinetic energy in the equation MGH = 1/2MV^2.
Now imagine an entire continent, as you claim, collapsing 10,000 feet (the average depth of the Atlantic is two miles, and deep near the subduction vent). It is going to release an INCREDIBLY LARGE amount of kinetic energy, right into the oceans and the ocean floor. Believe me, the destruction of the city of Atlantis would be the least of everyone's problems; that much energy released into the oceans and ocean basin would probably be enough to boil off a significant amount of seawater as superhot steam, killing everything on Earth. That's not to mention the creation of the
Mother of All Tsunamis. Remember the Asian Tsunami in 2004? That was caused by the collapse of a small volcanic island into the sea. Imagine the devastation of an entire continent plunging into the ocean.
Second off, Incan civilization had little to do with Mayan civilization, since the two co-existed for only a brief period of time. The heyday of the Mayan civilization was from 250 to 900 A.D., followed by a quick collapse. Incan civilization peaked in 1400-1532, when it was conquered quickly by Francis Pizarro and the Spaniards.
Moreover, neither civilization shows anything resembling what you would call "tools of technology far beyond modern science." Neither used any stock animals (such as horses), and only the Mayans had a civilization with the Written Word. Neither also shows any shared cultural elements that would presumably appear there from their integration into a highly advanced civilization with world reach. Neither civilization, in fact, used any form of iron weaponry, either.
As for the "Mayan Count," I presume you are talking about the Calendar that predicts the end of an Age in 2010? You can choose to believe it, but there is no proof for its accuracy. Moreover, as for the supposed hieroglyphics, I am curious. I have never heard any serious archaeologist point out pictures of people holding 'advanced technology,' but you could argue what "advanced technology" should even look like.
check this out;ancient egyptian electric lamps -
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptscience.html
angrycrustacean
Nov 10 2005, 10:42 PM
QUOTE(fantazum @ Nov 10 2005, 03:29 PM) [snapback]926294[/snapback]
check this out;ancient egyptian electric lamps -
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptscience.htmlThat website supports it's arguments very poorly. For instance:
QUOTE
The study of science and medicine were closely linked to religion as seen in many of the ancient rituals. The "pouring" and "anointing" we see in so many Egyptian works is the application of electromagnetic forces and not the application of actual fluids.
For which it provides no evidence at all.
Dan_27
Nov 13 2005, 07:41 AM
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Nov 10 2005, 03:42 PM) [snapback]926324[/snapback]
That website supports it's arguments very poorly. For instance:
For which it provides no evidence at all.
LOL, who needs evidence when you got faith?
What they think might be true, or it might not be true; I don't know of any way of actually proving what did or did not happen. Unless you can travel back in time, or look into the past with "retro-cognition" or you just happen to have lived in ancient Egypt in a past life and "remember" what was going on back then.
I know this guy who thinks the pyramids were built using telekinesis. He told me that he had a past life experience and that’s how he know. Can I verify that? No. Dose it mean it is true or false? No. So in my book it's all-good, since my priorities lie in the here and now. At least for the time being anyway.
Dan.
vanax
Nov 28 2005, 07:47 PM
there are stories of other lost continents. i believe that if such a place did exist that it was only advanced for it's time and that the stories grew because no one really knew what happened. people love a good mystery. There are a number of sunken cities that have been unearthedbut i'm not sure if that proves anything other then it could happen. wow you guys have taken things fro cayce. see i don't find that a very reliable source for that matter i don't find madam bolvesky a reliable source. i go by the accounts of the other continents and the account by plato. i do admit that plato's account is questionable but that is still the best account we have.
Guardsman Bass
Nov 28 2005, 07:58 PM
This is the thread that never completely dies, just pops up every few days.
We're already starting to repeat ourselves, so I'll just make my stance clear. There is no evidence that any type of advanced island civilization existing before 3000 B.C., and no records of any after, that matches the descriptions of Plato. We have the Minoans, but they are not the Platean Atlantis.
rhylin
Nov 28 2005, 11:48 PM
QUOTE(Dan_27 @ Nov 13 2005, 02:41 AM) [snapback]929645[/snapback]
LOL, who needs evidence when you got faith?
What they think might be true, or it might not be true; I don't know of any way of actually proving what did or did not happen. Unless you can travel back in time, or look into the past with "retro-cognition" or you just happen to have lived in ancient Egypt in a past life and "remember" what was going on back then.
I know this guy who thinks the pyramids were built using telekinesis. He told me that he had a past life experience and that’s how he know. Can I verify that? No. Dose it mean it is true or false? No. So in my book it's all-good, since my priorities lie in the here and now. At least for the time being anyway.
Dan.

Very good point. Some people don't need evidence in order to believe.
badwolf
Jan 2 2006, 02:31 AM
Considering the worlds oceans are miles deep in places, Atlantis could be anywhere. If indeed it's in the depths somewhere it could be very well preserved seeing that the deep water is very cold. So we could stumble across it as we did the Titanic. As regards to Atlantians having superior technology, I agree with others that this would no doubt refer to building methods, water irrigation techniques etc. If Atlantis was wiped out by a natural disaster or other reason then these skills would have to have been re-learned by the next civilisations. There are of course a lot of opinions concerning Atlantis but the mystery is what keeps it interesting to us.
fantazum
Jan 2 2006, 03:38 AM
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 28 2005, 07:58 PM) [snapback]952317[/snapback]
This is the thread that never completely dies, just pops up every few days.
We're already starting to repeat ourselves, so I'll just make my stance clear. There is no evidence that any type of advanced island civilization existing before 3000 B.C., and no records of any after, that matches the descriptions of Plato. We have the Minoans, but they are not the Platean Atlantis.
perhaps plato was speaking of an idea rather than a real place....like we speak of 'shangri-la' today as the place we all want to find and the place where we will find perfect peace and harmony.
If Plato was speaking of a real place then perhaps he had heard of a legend of human civilisation existing not thousands of years ago but millions. This earth is believed to be 4.5 billion years old. Why could not human society have existed during and perhaps even before the age of the dinosaurs? A seismic event or perhaps a strike from a meteor may have changed the very shape of the planet moving the poles,folding and churning the surface,creating massive flooded areas.
Guardsman Bass
Jan 2 2006, 05:58 PM
QUOTE(fantazum @ Jan 1 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]1001097[/snapback]
perhaps plato was speaking of an idea rather than a real place....like we speak of 'shangri-la' today as the place we all want to find and the place where we will find perfect peace and harmony.
This actually is what I think he was referring to, since he must have known that there were no records of Athens ever having his 'perfect society.' Atlantis was just a foil.
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If Plato was speaking of a real place then perhaps he had heard of a legend of human civilisation existing not thousands of years ago but millions. This earth is believed to be 4.5 billion years old. Why could not human society have existed during and perhaps even before the age of the dinosaurs? A seismic event or perhaps a strike from a meteor may have changed the very shape of the planet moving the poles,folding and churning the surface,creating massive flooded areas.
Legends don't carry for tens of millions of years, not without distortion so massive that it boggles the mind. That's not to mention that modern humans didn't appear, evolutionarily speaking, until around 200,000 years ago. 65 million years ago, in the age of the dinosaurs, they were nothing more than a bunch of 5-10 pound rodents.
Darkfire Angel
Jan 4 2006, 09:18 AM
hello! this is what i think. its just a theory, but here me out.
I think atlantis may have made a expirementel technology, a theoretical water creation technique. this is my theory, so its probably not very good though. i believe that the atlanteans may have been able to create a chaotic hydro flux, a opening in matter and exsistence. it belive it would happen if you created a machine that could mix hydrogen and oxygen in the wright method to create water. a machine like this would need a lot of energy though. maybe the aktlanteans found how to harness the chaotic energy of a collapsing star, and introuduced it to theit machine. but this energy was too much, and flooded atlantis. dont forget that this was many thousadn years ago, and the fact that the sea bottom hides many secrets. it might have buried the city in sand years ago. i gotta go to class, but more will come later. once again, this is just a theory.
crazy_sherlock
Jan 4 2006, 01:09 PM
aw.....atlantis meddled with hydrogen tech,chaotic hydro stuff? so what do u people think atlantis is advanced enough to do all that? if they are advanced enough why do they have not foreseen the effects of thier experiments ??
i mean like us, when the nuclear power plants were invented almost half of the world already foreseen the effects or the radiation?
just my thoughts >_<
aquatus1
Jan 4 2006, 01:14 PM
All this for a scoiety that Plato said was fictional, and that was described as so barbaric that they held all the world's nations under a dictatorial iron grip?
Darkfire Angel
Jan 5 2006, 07:18 AM
QUOTE(crazy_sherlock @ Jan 4 2006, 02:09 PM) [snapback]1004629[/snapback]
aw.....atlantis meddled with hydrogen tech,chaotic hydro stuff? so what do u people think atlantis is advanced enough to do all that? if they are advanced enough why do they have not foreseen the effects of thier experiments ??
i mean like us, when the nuclear power plants were invented almost half of the world already foreseen the effects or the radiation?
just my thoughts >_<
have you ever heard of the chaos theory?
Stalker
Jan 6 2006, 12:23 AM
Truthfully, I have not taken the time to go through this entire thread, so my apologies if someone had already mentioned it.
I think that Atlantis did indeed have some basis in fact. There are more than a single legend of a lost continent. All must have been based on one event, a global event. Now, I think it is possible that the legend of Atlantis could have been based on the splitting of the continents.
Now, assume for a moment that the continents were not drifting as they were for millions upon millions of years. Assume that the event occoured much more recently. I can't remeber the dates Quasar mentioned in his book, but its was somewhere around 3000-5000 years ago. In the Bible, there is a record of a man named "Peleg". It is said he was given this name because he was born "when the earth divided", or something to that extent. Now, it's often translated as division, implying a social divide, but Peleg does actually mean "earthquake".
Will continue later, need a real chance to get my thoughts together.
Katkandoo_kw
Jan 6 2006, 02:50 AM
SnakeProphet
Jan 8 2006, 06:40 PM
All this for a scoiety that Plato said was fictional, and that was described as so barbaric that they held all the world's nations under a dictatorial iron grip?
I assume you have read the story of atlantis?
I think that Atlantis did indeed have some basis in fact. There are more than a single legend of a lost continent.
For example?
All must have been based on one event, a global event.
OR,
all of them are based on one story that got passed on the various civilizations by human interaction......but of course this absoluty rediculous, they MUST have been based on a real event.
aquatus1
Jan 8 2006, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Jan 8 2006, 06:40 PM) [snapback]1011872[/snapback]
I assume you have read the story of atlantis?
Yep. Both of them.
Atlantean
Jan 8 2006, 07:49 PM
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 6 2005, 07:54 PM) [snapback]830933[/snapback]
You hear so much Bs on this form, it's hard sometimes. I want to scream read your history, use goggle wkae up.. people believe some crazy stuff.

Amen!: Everytime I come here, I'm reminded why I don't get here as often as my interests and curiosity would dictacte.

at Raelian1, Niven, Meyleuna, DarkLordOfHELL and a couple of others, all for different reasons. C'mon people! Pull your heads out of your ass*s and let's try to do at least a
little research or have just a
little bit of knowledge on a subject before you post.
My post count belies my involvement on this board. I have actually followed this board almost since the beginning and have even, at one time, exchanged links with it. I have participated under a different nick. The one recurring pet-peeve I have about this, or any other board/site like it, is the recurring nature of what you read here. Specifically, all I really see is a recycling of all the same old re-hashed theories and conspiracies, albeit sometimes wrapped a little differently, that were debated 20-30 or more years ago.
Noah watching the Earth recover from anihilation from the port window of a space ship!? I'm not even going to dignify those comments by responding to them. It's bullsh!t!
Can we please try to smarten up our discussions. I really don't have time for crap like alien-seeding and thermonuclear flooding or sinking continents.
SnakeProphet
Jan 8 2006, 09:56 PM
Yep. Both of them.
Good, I just wanted to be the sure. I think the main reason why there's so many BS about atlantis out there is, because people just tend to fantasize about possible theories about a myth they have heard of somewhere, somewhen, without ever reading the ONE AND ONLY scource of this myth.
I mean, you just have to look at the size of this "island". It was bigger than Libya and Asia. In case you guys didn't know, that's the size of a small continent.
I hardly doubt we could have overlooked a whole continent, nevermind the remains of an civilization that big and, as some like to think, advanced.
Cadetak
Jan 9 2006, 12:58 AM
I just saw a new show on one of the discovery channels about Atlantis and it said that Plato didn't make up the story of Atlantis, it was pasted down to him.
Some guy told hime the sory and that guy herd it from another and so on...and we all know how the "telephone game" works in grade school...the story originaly might have been about a small village but by the time Plato heard and probobly modifid it its now a continent. Who knows maybe in the future people will tell the legend of Atlantis a s a planet with the ability to make Death Stars.
Many submerged cities have been found across the world but none that really matches the accounts of Plato probobly because the story has passed so many hands.
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