Bush and his oil partners created this hurricane "katrina" using a massive weather device mounted on a U.S. Navy ship that was activated to "hurt" oil production therefore driving up the prices & demand of the oil so they can all cash in.

Q. How do you think the storm got so powerful?

A. Man-made.

Q. How do you think the last turn at the end, was so sudden and devestating?

A. Just like driving a car, the U.S. Navy steered the storm into the city.

*keeps the brownies away from Kratos*

You sir, have had enough!

Someone else was going to come up with it sooner or later and thats what I got in all possible ways linking Bush + Oil + Greed + Human Suffering = Evil America.

People are already blaming Bush for this mess, so why not go the next step further to explain their thoughts?

Bush needs an 'L' and 'R' taped inside his shoes just to know which foot to put in. Mastermind isn't the first word that comes up to describe him.

They're still ranting on about the so-called underwater bomb which caused the Tsunami. Give them a week and they'll be all over this one. Crazy people never miss out on a opportunity to be... well, crazy.

i dont think so really...
how?

It's true. Hurricane Katrina was created by Bush and the Reptilians.

In 2004 Bush used HAARP to create a continuos resonating auroral propagation (or C.R.A.P.) wave that would rebound off the hidden planet on the far side of the sun, then return to earth in 2005. It's intensified energy was then steered by the years of chemtrail spraying over the US.

This was all orchestrated with the help of the Draconian Universal Hierarchy (also known as D.U.H).

Sooner............. yep!

Excellent!

The best part of it is, you weren't sure whether it was satirical or not were you?! It sounds... scarily plausible ... to the conspiratorially minded at least

funny joke...thanks for the laughs kratos

"Bush Created Hurricane "Katrina", Mass Cover-Up!"



An oddball, crackpot or kook is someone who has a position on reality/science/society/individuals that is humorous and, most importantly, completely ridiculous.
Furthermore, this position is, in the worst cases, based on an Oddball/Crackpot Unifying Theory - the use of one or two concepts to explain everything.

Bush made Katrina?





Silly liberals...

Haha I love this one. I'm actually shocked that Sunofone didn't come up with it though.. Ok I'm kidding, it's still funny though.

Yes, Haliburton has built a hurricane machine in the Atlantic Ocean. They hit the South in order to make a killing repairing oil/gas infrastructure. Tell the people!

I do not see anyone saying Bush created the Hurricane. I do however see most of the worlds population saying he is incompetent, and has failed his people horribly in there biggest hour of need, its not a conspiracy, its as plain as day, what is like a weird conspiracy though, is how people still think he is God like and can do no wrong *shudders*

I was watching the news, and he was giving a conference outside and they had so obviously flown 3 army helicopters behind his head in unison just when he was saying something like "we have a flow of work going on now", I was like omg that was so obviously for effect it was embarrassing. The helicopters where timed so perfectly it was almost humorous.

All the best
Faeden

"Red Wolf Eight, this is Red Wolf One. We just got the signal. Let's give 'em a good, steady fly by for the cameras. Don't get too close to the president or you'll drown out his speech, over."

"Roger Wolf One, I'll stick right behind you."

I agree. I am a big fan of Bush, but he is doing a terrible job with Katrina. And Iraq. Our own country is more important than Iraq, we've already been there for over two years, and I'm sick to death of it.

I am glad you spotted it to I however did not have a scanner listening in to the pilots conversation.

Funnily enough the helicopters did get a little close and Bush had to shout he was right in the think of it, what a hero

bush may not have created the hurricane(although i wouldnt rule out strengthening and steering it) but he is surely responsible for the negligence that has followed--the fact that this was intentional lies with the study a year ago where bush's own administration calculated the three worst scenarios that threatened america --the fact that the new orleans levees were one is undeniable as well as the fact that he proceded to cut funding that would have prevented this disaster!! so yes it is surely bush's fault and if you cant tell your in a fascist dictatorship now your in denial--
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Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
Saturday, September 03, 2005

By Ann Rodgers, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

cont.... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

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Superdome Evacuations Temporarily Halted
By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer Sat Sep 3, 9:56 AM ET

NEW ORLEANS - Buses taking Hurricane Katrina victims far from the squalor of the Superdome stopped rolling early Saturday. As many as 5,000 people remained in the stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air National Guard.....

Capt. John Pollard of the Texas Air Force National Guard said 20,000 people were in the dome when evacuation efforts began. That number swelled as people poured into the Superdome because they believed it was the best place to get a ride out of town.

He estimated Saturday morning that between 2,000 and 5,000 people were left at the Superdome. But it remained a mystery why the buses stopped coming to pick up refugees and shuttle them away.......

At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hotel could move to the head of the evacuation line — much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the Superdome since last Sunday.

"How does this work? They (are) clean, they are dry, they get out ahead of us?" exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get in their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_...a_superdome_hk1

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Craig Roberts: Something is NOT right!


Having worked in Emergency Management in the military, and on the civilian
side (I'm with Mayes County Emergency Management in Oklahoma as the Dive
Team Leader), I can't help but wonder by the old REX-84 plan is not being
used. This would open up Fort Chaffee, Eglin AFB and a dozen other empty
bases to refugees immediately. Fort Chaffee alone has warehouses full of
bedding for the barracks, blankets etc. The base infrastructure is intact
and ready to be used. It can be supplemented by warehouses that have GP
Medium and GP large tents. I was there when we took the Vietnames refugees
in mass, and the Mariel boat lift bunch.

Eglin and others are the same. So why are we not moving people there now?
Why the Astrodome?

If this were a city that had been nuked by terrorists, where is the plan
FEMA allegedly had for displaced persons?

Something here just ain't right. Hmmmm.

Methinks there's something else at play. But what?

CR

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National Guard not allowing aid into the city
by SB Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 1:11 AM


National guard not allowing aid into the city

From http://getyouracton.com.
I am copying the information from the site about this. Just posted at 9:00PM


9:30PM Thurs Sept 1. Update: Please help spread this message:

There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans, but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out. They are turning away people with s[QUOTE]upplies, claiming it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in Iraq, certianly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not. Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not let any more of my friends die.

I can be reached at 254.640.8441 - feel free to call me or give my number to any media that needs a contact person to talk to.

Here is my message:

I am a resident of the Bywater in New Orleans (9th Ward). I am one of the lucky ones that was able to evacuate before the storm.

I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.

The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter would be from semi-automatics.

Our government is killing the people of New Orleans. By witholding supplies, they are ensuring more deaths, and I hold them complicit.

Please bring this matter to the attention of the people of the United States. They need to know that New Orleans is deliberatly being denied food and water. Perhaps if the people there had food and water, they might not be shooting off guns.

Please feel free to call me for further information or with any questions. I appreciate your attention to this most serious matter.

I fear for my friends.

Sincerely,

Andrea Garland http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php


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Daley 'shocked' as feds reject aid

September 3, 2005

BY STEPHANIE ZIMMERMANN AND SCOTT FORNEK Staff Reporters Advertisement




A visibly angry Mayor Daley said the city had offered emergency, medical and technical help to the federal government as early as Sunday to assist people in the areas stricken by Hurricane Katrina, but as of Friday, the only things the feds said they wanted was a single tank truck.

That truck, which the Federal Emergency Management Agency requested to support an Illinois-based medical team, was en route Friday.

"We are ready to provide more help than they have requested. We are just waiting for their call," said Daley, adding that he was "shocked" that no one seemed to want the help.

Meanwhile, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said he would call for congressional hearings into the federal government's preparations and response.

"The response was achingly slow, and that, I think, is a view shared by Democrats, Republicans, wealthy and poor, black and white," the freshman senator said. "I have not met anybody who has watched this crisis evolve over the last several days who is not just furious at how poorly prepared we appeared to be."

Response 'baffling'



The South Side Democrat called FEMA's slow response "baffling."

"I don't understand how you could have a situation where you've got several days' notice of an enormous hurricane building in the Gulf Coast, you know that New Orleans is 6 feet below sea level. ... The notion that you don't have good plans in place just does not make sense," Obama said.

Obama said he expects his counterparts in Louisiana, Mississippi or Alabama will call for congressional hearings, but he is ready if they do not. "It's heartbreaking and infuriating and, I think, is embarrassing to the American people.''

Daley said the city offered 36 members of the firefighters' technical rescue teams, eight emergency medical technicians, search-and-rescue equipment, more than 100 police officers as well as police vehicles and two boats, 29 clinical and 117 non-clinical health workers, a mobile clinic and eight trained personnel, 140 Streets and Sanitation workers and 29 trucks, plus other supplies. City personnel are willing to operate self-sufficiently and would not depend on local authorities for food, water, shelter and other supplies, he said.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/c...ws-daley03.html

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Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
Saturday, September 03, 2005

By Ann Rodgers, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

Calls to the Department of Homeland Security and its subagency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, were not returned yesterday.

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules.ph...rticle&sid=2403

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US 'slow response' to Hurricane Katrina was deliberate
While TV news presenters keeps asking why the government tool so long to save the victims of Hurricane Katrina, evidence is beginning to emerge that US officials may have delberately prevented attempts to rescue thousands of people in affected cities.

BBC News has learned that FEMA officials deliberately prevented major convoys of heavy lorries carrying water, food, medicine, and other supplies essential for the survival of victims, from reaching towns and cities suffering in the aftermath Hurricane Katrina. When the first FEMA lorries began to arrive today, BBC reporters said "this is the first time we've seen this sign," pointing to the "FEMA" signs displayed on white A4 cards in the windscreens of the lorries.

"This lorry driver loaded his truck on Monday but his bosses prevented him from coming here to these people until today." (BBC News 24, Sat, 3 Sep 05, 12:41 GMT.)

If we are to have a truly objective debate about what went wrong, we must consider every possibility, including the theory that right-wing, wealthy white men, in the US regime could have used this disaster as an opportunity to facilitate some ethnic cleansing and clear away a swathe of the poor, Black underclass whose very existance undermines the myth of freedom, democracy, prosperity, and the American dream. It would not be the first time in history that a government has taken action of this type. Ethnic cleansing in the USA today may seem impossible, even unthinkable, but let us not forget that only recently the SU regime presided over military action that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Like it or not, racism is as widespread as ever in modern America, and the sad truth is many Americans would not lose any sleep about fencing-off a few thousand "niggers" and letting them die. That is what has happened here and now in modern America in the poor, ugly shanty towns of the deep south.

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1487
FURTHER READING

Experts predicted what would happen:-

CNN, "Expert: Katrina could unleash disaster", 29 August 2005.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/katrina.doomsday/

BBC News, "New Orleans crisis shames Americans", 3 September 2005.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

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Woah, big comment

Bush also caused atlantis to sink

Why would Bush let people die on purpose? What would he gain from that?

"Oh he just doesn't like the blacks"... What a load of crap sunofone. He could have done a better job to get supplies to them but he did not halt them altogether.

Everything is a conspiracy....

Bush has also refused offers of help from many other countries, even thought is obvious he needs all the help he can get.

Hrm... are our Non-Domestic policies better than our own? When Sri Lanka was hit, we sent help as soon as we got there, when the Russian sub crew was dying, we were there in a heart beat, when Katrina hit inland, we didn't do crap for like a day or two and the progress is still Sh**ty.

This is a conspiracy - Bush didn't make the hurricane, but he sure as hell could be letting airplanes drop food, water, supplies...This is sickening how people are defending Bush and making it into a 'conspiracy' joke. It isn't funny, something is seriously wrong and I am so saddened by the governments reaction...I am a very peaceful person but this is making me feel evil . I also read that 2 more hurricanes are on there way
*talks to angels

C.R.A.P. wave that just hilarious

Both of the 2 storms that are currently in the Atlantic are going away from the East Coast and back out to sea. So hopefully there won't be any trouble from them.

However if this thread is right, I guess that depends on Mr. Bush's mood..

Ok no more pub visit's for you Kratos, I think the mountain dew is going to your head.

Just one quick thing from Sunofone's mass cut and paste. Eglin AFB is hardly empty. There are over 10,000 military and 10,000 civilians working there. It is a very busy base. I'm not sure why one of your sources would consider it empty.

Anyone who has the faintest idea of what is really involved in this disaster wouldn't be complaining . . . but could see that the aid arrrived remarkably fast, for any government. Let's look at the simple facts . . . the area of devastation is as large as all of England. Any FEMA forces did have to be first positioned to provide aid to Florida (yes, Katrina did strike there first), and then had to take positions at least several hundreds of miles away from the path of Katrina (hurricane force winds at least 100 miles from the eye, and Katrina was still a catagory 1 hurricane for hours after it passed by New Orleans). Then, nothing could be even planned until after an assessment of damage was done . . . which takes time. A whole lot of infrastructure was missing, and roads, if not severly damaged, at least blocked by debris. At that, Bush had to tell the state officials that they had to declare a state of emergency (they hadn't done so yet) before the feds could even act. Keep in mind that regular military troops can only be used domestically if the state legislature so requests it. Then, the largest problem was in getting an enormous amount of material in to the huge number of people who hadn't obeyed the evacuation order . . . whether they could or couldn't do so. This with most roads out. Finally, the state of CA Air National Guard (under the direction of that states governer, not the jurisdiction of Bush in any way) began to provide an airlift . . . to drop supplies such as drinking water and food. One of the decisions which had to be made was whether to use the helicopters available to rescue people from almost certain death . . . one at a time . . . or drop food and water. A tough decision, but the rescue missions won out, as they should have. When thousands of people have to be rescued one at a time by helicopter, you are talking about a lot of flying hours and a lot of elapsed time.

Then there is the question of help from others . . . it all sounds good, but if not coordinated, worse than useless. We in the US have the capability of dealing with this problem, but there is a limit as to the number of forces which can be brought to bear. Any failure was at the state and local level . . . hundreds of school and municipal buses left to be submerged in the flooding, which could have as easily been used to transport evacuees, and the main freeway could have been converted to contra-flow traffic, to get the evacuation done in about a third of the time. This, needless to say, was a matter for local and state officials to accomplish, far beyond the lawful ability of the federal government to accomplish. At that, I think that Bush did break the law, by moving regular military troops in before he was legally able to do so. One thing which Bush has done though . . . instead of following his predecessors' format, Bush has declared a federal state of emergency before the hurricanes hit, thus allowing FEMA forces to postion themselves close by before any damage happens. The past procedure was that first, the damage had to be done, then the state officials had to declare a state of emergency and request federal assistance, and only after that did the president then declare a state of emergency. Only after all that procedure was FEMA able to begin to move. Bush's procedure of declaring a state of emergency before the damage, when it is sure to happen, is far more sensible, and undoubtly has saved lives and eased considerable pain and suffering.

this is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard--even geraldo on FOX was furious about the govt response--it took them four days just to set up a check point that was denying aid and sending people back that were just trying to WALK OUT of the devestated area where they were being DENIED food and water!!!! because,as this bone head states,they made a bad decision to focus soley on rescues!! 500 owners of airboats were ready to go in the day after the hurricane passed yet were refused access --the stories of propaganda spread by the media and even the scum bucket mayor describe scenarios of "drug addicts looking to calm their jones" by looting medical facilities and pharmacies--who in the hell cant see that this is the first place to be utilized in a time of emergency? those people werent looting they were scavenging supplies they would need to survive--there were hundreds of diabetics and others needing heart medications or blood pressure medications that had assembled at the superdome and had nothing and were not being helped--anyone,including alex jones, that calls for a shoot-on-site order of looters needs to be dropped off in the middle of NO so they can make their way to the superdome only to be neglected for four days--the level of mind control that the ignorant masses have submitted themselves to is mind boggling --they are lost souls that are no longer worthy of redemption
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People, people, people...

Don't you know? Bush didn't cause Katrina- Clinton did!

Now, can't we leave Bush and his milking tragedy for political gain (again!) alone and let him do what he's going to do to further himself exploiting it? After all, we have his DUI, his AWOL, his first 100 days in office, his political "favors", Enron, how he used 9/11 like a pony ride, Iraq, the pretzel, his saying Jesus tells him to do things, and that he's already on the list of worst world leaders in history to go on!

Mr. Bush told me I could not donate any more money to the relief effort in New Orleans.

I'm in the same boat. I voted for the guy. I've supported him through everything he's done. But not on this.

He dropped the ball big time. To wait until Wednesday to send the Navy and their relief ships was so off the wall. I can't explain it.

What's even worse is that we've had at least one congressman on the news channels berating the Louisiana governor for not declaring martial law.

Louisiana has no such provision in their constitution. When the mayor said that the city was under a state of "martial law" it made him look completely stupid. Martial law covers an entire state....not just one city.....provided that particular state has the option of implementing martial law in the first place.

So here's how stupid we look right now. We've got congressmen who make the laws....who obviously don't know the law. We've got a mayor of a major city who doesn't know the law either.

I agree with the guy in being upset with Bush and the rest of the administration. He has a legitimate gripe. But the only one who hasn't called for martial law is the governor herself.....who must be thinking..."These people really are idiots".

Again, I'm with you in supporting the President. But NOT on this. He screwed up big time. People died because he hesitated.

People were going to die anway. That much is certain.



When the tsunami hit, we got lambasted by the world for not pledging money fast enough. 2 days after the event, we had pledged $11 billion in relief.

It took 6 days for the President and Congress to approve $10 billion in initial relief FOR OUR OWN COUNTRY'S DISASTER. And what is the $10 billion for? For a bunch of National Guard troops to stand "at the ready" with their thumbs up their asses miles away while their own countrymen are dying? Yep! That sure as hell is ready! They should have been called in as soon as the storm passed. Didn't happen. But it COULD have happened.



Dude, EVERYONE had FIVE DAYS knowing that this storm was strengthening. We were all warned for FIVE DAYS. If FEMA can't make it from Florida to get ready for the storm on the gulf coast then we've got some serious problems to work out.



Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I work in a field in which you HAVE to be prepared for anything. You don't assess damage when people are suffering. You pull your ass together to go in and get them. There were many who were willing to do that. Management wasn't. Management dropped the ball.



Then I guess things need to be changed then, huh? The issuance of a "mandatory evacuation order" is a joke. What does "mandatory" mean? Apparently, it means "you need to leave the city". In my book, "mandatory" means that it HAS to be done. No exceptions. New Orleans, like any city or town across this country, has railways. That is one way to get people out. You don't just say, "Mandatory evacuation....but if you don't have a way out...tough luck." Is the government charging those people for the evacuation now? You can't just say to people, "Get out. We don't have a way for you to do that. But get out."

The system is SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY flawed!

If you're gonna issue orders to evacuate a city, then dammit...realize that there are people who don't have the means to evacuate! Give them an option to leave!



If he wanted to alleviate pain and suffering, he would have taken the actions I explained above. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

And once again....I'm a Bush supporter. Always have been. He dropped the ball, dude.

He dropped the damn ball.

The system doesn't need to be fixed. There isn't a system in place to beginwith.

It's high time the government put one in place. Because this is going to happen again.

Now, now - all this Bush bashing has to stop. He's managed to learn how to speak (sort of) and has displayed higher intelligence learning skills (albeit very few). All in all, I'd rate his intelligence in the upper 30% of primates. Well below gorillas and chimps, but most definitely a notch above most gibbons and baboons.

I can see that many here are nothing but fools, and unaware of what this demanded, and the time it would take to do it. So, lets do it by the numbers, OK? Finally, the storm has passed (which was about 5 hours or more from the time it struck New Orleans. Positioning of FEMA has to be at least 300 miles or more away (hurricane force winds for at least 100 miles on either side of New Orleans, and tropical force winds way beyond that.) Now the work begins . . . and the first thing that has to be done is to do aerial reconnaissance, to see what the highway infrastructure looks like . . . where does it seem possible to traverse it. Figure a full day for flying it and analyzing the photography. That is only the first step, as you can't tell from the aerial photos whether the roads that appear to be traversable really are . . . and for sure, most of them are covered with trees and other significant debris. So . . . it is time to drive the proposed route with engineers on board, to both clear the proposed relief route, and make sure that the highway infrastructure isn't undermined. The entire coast for miles inland and at least 100 miles on both sides of the path is nothing but destruction, with lots of flooding, at least as far east as Mobile, Alabama. This is really slow going, so figure at best at least 2 days . . . it simply cannot be done faster, and there is no point starting out with trucks full of supplies only to get bogged down a couple of hundred miles along the way. I make it at least 3 days before the supply convoys could even start. And you are talking about relief for about a million or more people here . . . the people living in the city of New Orleans added up to about a half a million, and another million at least in the surrounding area. Thousands of people were on roof tops after the storm, flooded out below them, and had to be taken out by helicopter one person at a time . . . one round trip for each person, and transported a long distance away. Moreover, this is hazardous work for the crews, as they have to be flying low and slow, where all of the obstacles are which can cause a helicopter to crash . . . like poles and wires and the like. Too, only a certain small numbers of helicopters can be deployed at one time . . . so they don't end up running into each other. I am amazed that the relief operations went off as well as they did. It would have been a lot easier if the mayor of New Orleans had taken the municipal buses and school buses and used them for transportation. Anywhere a couple of hundred miles east or west of New Orleans would have worked well . . . even if they were deposited along side the road. At least then food, water and temporary shelter could have been provided . . . outside of the destructive path of Katrina. Sorry folks, it couldn't have possibly been done any better than it has been . . . ops like this take a long while to effect. At that, it took the California Air National Guard to provide support. Too, it would have been against the law for Bush to have mounted any regular armed forces response . . . without the legislature of the state first meeting and requesting such military support. And of course, we didn't have a carrier fleet in the Gulf of Mexico either, with all the support which such a fleet could have provided. Anyone who thinks that relief could have been provided earlier is only fooling themselves. I have offered to discuss on another thread what the Bush haters would have done differently, and I am talking about specific actions which he could have taken legally (yes, the President does have to obey the laws of the country too). Still waiting for responses. It isn't enough to claim that "he could have done better". Let's see what the Monday quarterbacks have to say. What specifically should he have done that he didn't, and what specifically did FEMA do wrong. Please include your concept of what the timing of events could have been. A flow chart would be really nice. I am a professional civil engineer, and have been one since 1967, and worked on the emergency plans for transportation after the Sylmar earthquake of 1971. Working day and night, it took a full week to turn out plans for the construction of temporary roads to bypass the damage where bridges collapsed. And that is just the plans, and that earthquake caused only relatively local damage . . . nothing like the swath of destruction Katrina caused.

I am a Bush supporter..and a MedicTJ fan....but Bush didn't drop anything. He declared the entire Gulf Coast a disaster area 'before' the storm. Bush did not put FEMA together...FEMA is what FEMA is no matter who is in charge of the Presidency.




This was not a military excercize TJ...and you do have to assess the damage. The last thing anyone wants is to initiate a plan based on limited or no reliable information and wind up complicating the problem with downed helicopters etc.


Exactly..everyone had FIVE days and alot of people ignored the warnings. I'm sorry but if there is a CAT 5 headed straight at you and you decide to 'ride it out'..even though a mandatory evac has been issued....then you get what you get...and they got what they got...and I am just real sorry.

If you want to blame someone...blame the State of Louisiana. Past and present administrations! But not Bush. He isn't to blame.

I saw an interview with New Orleans mayor this morning.. and the reporter was playing Devil's Advocat and asked the Mayor ... shouldn't he take some of the blame he is handing out.. since he was the one that was suppose to be relaying what was going on.. and what the situations were really like... and he could not give her a straight answer... was pretty funny ... after his cursing outburst in an interview last week where every other word he said had to be bleeped out... I believe I even saw a little egg on his face

Sorry to say, but not everyone has enough cash to buy a car, food,gas. People also didn't want to leave their stuff behind. Plus, Bush didn't make Katrina, The world made Katrina...global warming.

I just saw where there are people still in their houses and are refusing help to be airlifted to safety. I guess it will be Bush's fault if these people die... just because he didn't visit all of these houses and invite them to leave personally...




Mmmm.. material things more important than their lives....sounds like a personal problem... not a Federal Government problem...

(Sorry to say, but not everyone has enough cash to buy a car, food,gas.)

Poverty should be a national problem.

I don't agree... I believe that the state of LA or the city of New Orleans should have helped the poor and disabled get out.... I am sure the Mayor of New Orleans knew the population of elderly, poor and disabled. President Bush announced a state of Emergency way before Katrina hit.. and the Mayor himself prompted a mandatory evacuation... the Mayor is more to blame... he supposedly knew his city... and should have made arrangements to those certain people out

Im sorry to say this, but im having a hard time feeling sorry for these people. C'mon they had almost a week to get out. What did they think was going to happen? Everyone knew if a hurricane of that magnatude hit new orleans it was all over. I dont feel sorry for people and there stupidity...if no one here can understand that fine, but im not going to apologize for my position.
On the other hand, people that had no way of getting out i have sympathy for. But if some of them refuse to be airlifted because they wont leave their stuff, then i say let them suffer.

You want specifics? I can give specifics.

Now, I'll agree that this solution doesn't put blame on the President, but on those running the cities should they get hit......

There are miles and miles of railways. The government is shipping people out of the disaster zone right now for free. So why not do this before the storm hits? Give people the chance to get out. Some of them didn't have the funds to do it. If you give people a chance to get out and they then refuse, then you have put the blame solely on them. They had their chance.

On top of that, you would eliminate half the problem of the interstates being all backed up full of people that decided to get out on their own. You wouldn't have one way traffic out of the city. You would be able to have a lane free for any emergency vehicles that needed to get in quicker.

Now let's look at something that is on the President's head. He waited for 3 days before ordering the Navy ships to the area from Norfolk. They're still on their way now. They won't be there until Monday, when 90 percent of the people have been evacuated anyways. He may as well have just left the ships in port. Too little, too late.

What he should have done was sent those ships 1 day behind the hurricane to begin with. If this had been done, they would have been in place to help much quicker.

this is far too plausible for sunofone

You can taste the irony can't you ... this thread started out as satire, now it's developed a life of its own ...

Amen.

But remember that Katrina is a delicate subject right now- many people simply can't joke about it. It was a horrible storm, thousands are dead, and it's sickening how Bush, Louisiana house/senate members and 2008 hopefuls are trying to further their own political agendas by going on and on about how much they think they're doing.

The truth is, despite the warnings, long time residents of Orleans were probably thinking it'd be just another media scare- how many hurricanes before Katrina did people say would be as bad as Katrina or worse, then they were just fizzled out tropical storms that barely even qualified as hurricanes?

Then, after Katrina finally ended up being the real deal that the media was calling Wolf on for years, and the people who had quit believing the news about these "wrath of God" storms were dead from not evacuating (or evacuating too late), here come the jackal media and the scuzzbag politic pushers going on and on about how this is such a horrible tragedy while they exploit it for TV ratings and PR points... the Mayor of Orleans stands alone in realizing how inappropriate trying to gain from this is- and probably not just because he's the one who gets the backlash from this after it's over, despite being the only political figure making an honest effort to bring aid. Bush and the La. State reps (as well as a few 2008 hopefuls), on the other hand, are sitting around with huge smiles on their faces like Christmas came early going on and on about how much they think they're doing while actually hindering what can be done at this point.

Right now, I'm sure a lot of Orleans would pay a million bucks a chuckle for a good laugh, instead of people pushing how horrible what they're going through is. But the one downfall to living in America is that this country seems to think that the last thing they need is is laughter and good spirits. Instead of letting them have the rare joke that can be made about it, they emphasize on the gloom, like that's all there is. It's like America likes attempting to stamp out whatever strength can be found in tragedies...

I love America, but when they do this, I find myself asking why.

omg finding out that the ignorant oldtymer here is a prof civil eng makes me even more disgusted and sick that these baffoons actually think they can explain the ineptitude demonstrated--people that say they feel no remorse for those that didnt have the means to evacuate are nothing more than scum scraped from the sewers of babylon--bush is responsible for cutting the funding that would have partially prevented this catastrophe and failed the people with his lack of action after the fact--he had claimed a state of emergency before the hurricane even hit land so he has no excuse for waiting five days to do anything--and i can assure you that the next person who uses the term looter in front of me is going to get ktfo-- how you can be so naive as to be fooled into believing that those people were trying to do anything other than survive is beyond my comprehension--

This is both Fact and Very Intersting.

In October of 1991, former President George Bush (Sr.) put the United States directly in a confrontation with the holy God of Israel. It began with the Madrid Peace Process, which was a plan for Israel to give away parts of the covenant land for peace. The plan included Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

At the exact time President Bush was initiating the Madrid Peace Process, the Perfect Storm developed in the North Atlantic and came 1,000 miles the “wrong” way and sent 30-foot waves smashing against the President’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine! When the President returned from Madrid, he went to Kennebunkport to oversee the rebuilding of his damaged home.

From this day until the present, awesome destructive events have hit the United States on the very day our government has pressured Israel to divide the covenant land. Powerful earthquakes, hurricanes, massive flooding, raging forest fires, incredible tornado storms, the September 11 attacks, and stock market crashes have occurred precisely on these days. The two most destructive events in U.S. history, Hurricane Andrew and the Northridge Earthquake, both occurred at the exact time Israel was being pressured by the United States to divide the land.

These disasters can be viewed as warning judgments to bring to the nation’s attention that we are on a collision course with the God of Israel over His covenant land. There have been over 60 incredible events to hit the U.S. since the beginning of the Madrid Peace Process. These occurred during the terms of Bush (Sr.), Bill Clinton and the current President Bush. It does not matter to God if the President is a Democrat or Republican. When the U.S. pressures Israel to divide the land, the warning judgments occur.

Every time Yassar Arafat came to the United States for the purpose of dividing Israel, awesome events happened. These disasters took place at the exact time he was in the United States. Arafat would bring a curse with him. Between September 1993 and November 2001, Arafat visited the U.S. 14 times. On the very days he came, three hurricanes hit; one awesome tornado storm; President Clinton’s sex scandal broke; record flooding; record forest fires; four stock market crashes; and one plane crash killing 265 people.

The warning judgments have continued right up through the beginning of 2005. In August and September 2004, four hurricanes struck the state of Florida. Within a six-week period of time, Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne slammed into Florida. Never in history had four hurricanes hit one state like this. The hurricanes hit the west coast, east coast and panhandle of Florida. It is estimated that the combined damage from the hurricanes was $40 billion.

All of these hurricanes had an Israel connection. In early August 2004, President Bush sent envoys to Israel to help Israel withdraw from the settlements in Gaza. The President was putting enormous pressure on Israel to withdraw its citizens from Gaza before the November election. Israel was being asked to evacuate 23 settlements while 25 counties in Florida were declared disaster areas. A great irony was the President’s brother was governor of the devastated state!!

Hurricane Charlie hit on August 13, at the very time the President was pledging one billion dollars to pay for the evacuation of Jews from Gaza. At this same time he was also approving disaster relief to the tune of $3.9 billion for Florida. The newspaper headlines at the time read: “Jews to Evacuate Gaza,” while the next day the headlines were: “2.9 Million to evacuate Florida!” The pressure the U.S. was placing on Israel over Gaza was being multiplied 1,000 times in America! This was all happening simultaneously.

When President Bush made his acceptance speech for the Republican nomination to run for a second term as President, Hurricane Frances was slamming into Florida. On August 31, under pressure from the U.S., Israel agreed to increase the size of the Gaza evacuations. On this very day, Hurricane Frances increased to an awesome Category 4 and 2.8 million were advised to evacuate Florida.

On September 14, Israel began to set up procedures to evacuate Jews from Gaza. There was talk of armed resistance in Gaza and potential civil war in Israel over the evacuations. On this day Hurricane Ivan slammed into Florida. The hurricane did $10 billion in damage. As the hurricane approached, several million people had to evacuate from an area that included New Orleans to the west coast of Florida. Ivan even came ashore on the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah.

President Bush gave a major foreign policy speech to the U.N. General Assembly on September 21. In his speech he had the following to say about Israel:
“Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations.”1

On this day, Hurricane Jeanne began to turn toward the U.S. The hurricane was traveling east-northeastward, but turned to head directly west toward Florida. Jeanne would weaken but hit Florida on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. All four of the hurricanes hit at the exact time the U.S. was putting enormous pressure on Israel to evacuate Jews from Gaza. The pressure the U.S. put on Israel resulted in $40 billion in damage, thousands of homes destroyed or damaged, billions in lost crops and millions of people evacuated from their homes.

On November 11, Yassar Arafat died. Mahmoud Abbas was elected to replace Arafat in January 2005. Immediately, President Bush sent congratulations to Abbas and said the road map to peace would go forward. The President’s road map meant Israel was to give up covenant land to a Palestinian state. He even invited Abbas to the White House.

Like Arafat before him, Abbas continued the call for the destruction of the State of Israel. On December 30 he was hoisted on the shoulders of Zakaria Zbeida, a notorious terrorist who Israel was trying to locate and arrest. On December 31, he called for Israel to withdraw to the 1949 border, and said he wanted Jerusalem as the capital.

He also declared the right of Palestinian return to the land of Israel which would destroy the nation. And, on January 4, he declared that Israel was the “Zionist enemy.”2 In his victory speech, Abbas said that the election was “a victory for Yasser Arafat and the entire Palestinian people.” He added, “The small jihad (holy war) is over and the big jihad has begun.”3

Even with all these statements, the President still invited Abbas to the White House and claimed the road map for peace was going forward. In the past, such action brought disasters upon the United States and this time was no different.

The President said:

“The United States stands ready to help the Palestinian people realize their aspirations…. We look forward to working with him and the Palestinian people to address these challenges and to advance the cause of Middle East peace consistent with the vision I set forth on June 24, 2002, of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security.”4

While the Palestinian elections were taking place and the President was praising Abbas and even inviting him to the White House, awesome storms were striking the western section of the United States. According to William Patzert, NASA climatologist, the western U.S. was experiencing its worst weather in 119 years. Heavy rains in California were triggering killer mudslides. And there were snowfalls in Nevada of up to 19 feet.5

The storms were not limited to California. Along the Ohio River, hundreds of Ohio and West Virginia residents had evacuated their homes and stacked sandbags. The river was nearly four feet above flood stage in Ohio and was about seven feet above flood stage in West Virginia. The incredible rains have caused alarm among meteorologists because of so many rivers near flood stage at this time of the year. This could set the stage for massive flooding in the spring.

At the very time the President was inviting Abbas to the White House and talking about the road map to peace, the U.S. was being hit with the worst weather in 119 years. On the front page of the January 11, 2005 USA Today the following headlines were prominent— “California Rocked by Storm” and “Bush Offers to Meet Abbas.” If all this happened when Abbas was merely invited to the White House, what will happen if he actually steps foot on U.S. soil?

Is the United States in the crosshairs of judgment? You decide.
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Notes:
1“President Bush Speaks to the United Nations General Assembly,” (speech transcript, September 21, 2004) accessed 1/25/05 at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20040921-3.html.
2Charles Krauthammer, “Arafat’s Heir,” Washington Post, 1/7/05, p. A19.
3Khaled Abu Toameh, “Abbas’s First Victory Speech,” Mideast.Jpost.com. Accessed 1/25/05 at http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...Post/JPArticle/
ShowFull&cid:1105240992348&p=1101615860782.
4From William Koenig, “Koenig’s Eye View from the White House” (newsletter), January 14, 2005. Accessed 1/26/05 at http://www.watch.org/resources/newsletters/koenig-11405.html.
5Ibid.