I'v recently read an article on Psipog concerning a member's(Rainsong) experiences with an unfortunate but interesting phenomina called phasing. She said she woke up one morning and found that she was 'phased' into the couch. In another experience, she had partially phased into the back of her chair and said it was very painful and could kill you. The way to acheive this ability is to get your 'shield' to be as weak as possible and imagine in 1st person the event happening again and again. Before anyone says this not true, take in all of the possibilities, then post.

I take in all the possibilities and say BS!

ugh, you've watched X-men2 to much havent you...

I've never seen it.

Says it all really.

What does the fact that I found it on psipog have anything to do with it?

It automatically loses credibility.
Don't ask why. It is obvious.

If it's obvious then I would have knew why by now. Are you against psipog for something? I hope you are. Because if you weren't, you'd be claiming that you hate a web site for no apparent reason. So tell me Mr Ed, have you ever done anything that is on psipog?

No, I am already wasting precious minutes of my existence. I should be out but everyone has decided to go to sleep. I am now sitting here.
I am not going to waste more of my life by looking at a site than was made to con people or possibly made by people suffering from self importance complexes.

How in any way was this site made to con people?

Well, those powers cannot be learnt by teenage boys.

I don't think you can really do this. It sounds like a bunch of BS to me.. But i could be wrong, I just don't think i am...

What does being a teenager have anything to do with psi? And you don't plan out your posts very well do you? First you claim that you do not have time to do anything on psipog and then you claim the site was made to con people, then you say powers cannot be learned by teenage boys. How could you possibly know this information unless you in fact are practicing from psipog and are a teenage boy?

Aha! Just read every single thread in this forum dating back from 8 months ago.
I think you will find a trend between the topic of psi and teenage boys.



Yes I do, when I think it is worth structuring them...




Ahaha! I know this from not practiscing psi pog because those powers probably do not exist, there is no proof that they exist or have ever existed and therefore an internet site with next to no credibility does not prove their existence. It encourages false hopes and should be shut down to prevent dreamers from wasting more of their lives.
Well in an extreme anyway, but point made.

I am a teenage boy, yes...

Actually, psi is VERY likely to exist. The only thing separating the info collected by scientists and the public is a little something called statistics; some forms of proof are more believable than others. I suggest you try out some of their stuff if you want to continue this interesting little adventure because I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Whenever I post my opinion on something about wether or not it is true, I usually do a little research on it, not say something like:
"I don't think that's real because I don't believe in it"
"Well why not?"
"Because I don't do it"

It would be cool! I would "phase" my hand into knives and be like Edward Scissorhands!

But it is of course imposible. I'm not discrediting the website or anything. I never even heard of it.

Take a physics course people.

Please?

I'm currently taking physics but I'd like to think we have only discovered a small fraction of the mysteries of the Universe.

Then you should understand how unlikely claims such as the one used to start this thread are.

i support him ive seen it too

Solid matter melding into solid matter through psychic means.

Rrrrriiiiiight.

Aha I have not once said that. That is complete fabrication on your part. I said there is no proof.

Tell me...how did you figure that psi isn't real? Have you done research yourself(I mean don't try to move a psiwheel for 10 secs. and say it's bull), or has someone told you that it's not real. Because I've read articles about biofeedback and articles about psi and have experienced both. Biofeedback is a form of 'rubbing your hands together and stimulating your chakras' whch later produces a 'fake' psiball and is why I don't believe in chakras. On the other hand, I've often felt sharp 'stabs' in my hands when I'm making a psiball. Not like little prickles but to the point where I have to stop and take a break.

Science dictates the need of proof. We have no need to prove psi does not exist. You on the other are saying there is something that defys science, therefore you have the burden of supplying proof.

The only proof I need to supply, you have to do yourself as no other form of proof I can produce on the internet will be believable.

Then it does not, as of yet, exist. CASE closed.

Go Eric, Go Eric...

Well, if you were to film yourself doing some tricks then send them in, probably quite a few people would then believe you.

However you won't do that because...

Go to the nearest university that has a physics dept and try to prove to them that you can do these things. They will take it from there.....

I've never heard of it before. Thanks for bringing this topic up. I'm such an optimist.

Could be mind over matter stuff. Not everything has to have a scientific explaination guys.

Yes it does because that is how our universe works...

Whether science is a tool of god or science is god, it governs pretty much everything.

That is the biggest load I have ever heard.

psipog is a profiting website which plays off of young people using creative writing. I could do the same thing myself if I wanted to.

EDIT: Infact, I am here by determined to compile a post regarding how fraudulent psipog is. Expect to see it soon.

Phasing is a RPG move as well... in a sense you can "dodge" your enemy or sparring partner. I saw this topic and laughed hard at the thought someone could take it seriously.

I think it's rather concerning that in 3 pages, no one has really addressed the point of the thread.

And, forgive me for not having actually tried it, but I don't think it's possible to "phase" yourself into a chair. If it were, I'd love to teach that to my son.

Why is it so very likely to exist, according to you? Actually, its not.



You dont know what you're talking about. How is statistics seperating anything? And btw, proof is proof. Whats unbelievable is what is not proof.



Maybe he figured its not real because a bunch of little kids like you claim to be able to make psi balls and do psi, yet not one has suceeded in providing scientific proof...



Says who?

"Phasing" yourself into a couch?! Sheesh, some people just love to make up stories. Trust me, I used to do the same. Accounts like this have 0 to no credibility. Why?

Lack of proof.
It sounds so incredible it is in fact... incredible.


Allow me to add another to that.
L. Camera shy.


Of course that would prevent some "psychic" to not put their powers on camera.

Anyway, if you really put some thought into this 'phasing' stuff, you would realise how messed up it would be. Let's say you do manage to merge yourself with a chair, do you realise that you'll be impaled through the chair?! You'll probably even die. The chair could (or rather, would) be going through some vital organs. So, if you do manage to become one with the chair, you won't live to tell anyone about it.

There is a VERY VALID reason the person could not take the photo....he could not reach the camera because he was phased in the chair you silly people......

LOL, Bio.

um Phasing takes over 50 years to learn if its ven possible which i doubt, and i dont trust psipog, have you ever noticed how many articles they say they invented that art of psi in? Phasing, Probine, Hacking, And more.

no sweetheart you never do,. for what i have read on your posts you always think that what you believe are the only things posible to be true, am i wrong? kisses

While I do agree with almost everyone that phasing is most likely false, I disagree with the reasoning used to come to that conclusion. For example:
Science doesn't really "govern" anything. It is a basic attempt at understanding the universe and it's dynamics. Science can not even govern itself as scientific "laws" have been know to change. In fact some things involved with science were nothing more than educated trial and error...penicillin had saved millions before science discovered why and how 15 years later. Also statistical science is becoming less valid as it is becoming clear that statistics can be made to reflect almost any results or desirable outcome. By that I mean you can scientifically prove that cholesterol is simultaneously good and bad for you, that you need more and less carbs, and so on in a contradicting fashion. Also you have to consider that "scientifically" it was absurd to think that little invisible germs could make you sick...everyone knew it is an inbalance in "humors" that make you sick. So science is not a very strong basis for a stance of NON-belief in this case.

Stellar wrote:


Proof can be subjective. By your stipulation, pain is not real because it can not be quantified or experienced by an outside and verifying being. I could assume you were in pain by the screams, but I could not know, therefore I must suspect you are lying or delusional. Not everything in existence is black and white, and sometimes the most unbelievable things are true...like there is enough energy in a single atom to level a city, or subatomic particles can exist in two places at the same time....and some time they even phase out of existence, then back in a different place. That isn't pseudoscience, that is basic quantum physics. It does seem possible that someone took an intro to quantum physics class and assumed the same "phasing" could occur with super atomic particles as well.

Personally, I disbelieve this for a different statistical reason and that is that historically this phenomenon is new. If this were like the other mysterious controversial conditions, like spontaneous combustion say, there would be written records of this occurring in many different regions and to people without access to the same information and over a long period of time.

It quite clearly is. Said without a paragraph of waffle.

Mr Ed wrote:

I'm not really sure what you mean by waffle....examples?

Ok I'll humor this...how is science proof that this phenomenon definitively does not exist? It is like when people try to bring science into religion to prove or disprove god...you could not scientifically "prove" that santa claus does not exist, much less god. There are too many variables in trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt something doesn't exist. If you truly believe in science as much as you profess, then you must require substantial proof to make a case either way.
When you say "it quite clearly is", that doesn't really explain your point or how you arrived at this conclusion which is a fallacy by the way.

Just because the left side of your avatar looks like Ralph Machio, doesn't mean you have to be aggressive to my paragraph waffling....whatever that is

Then how do you know it takes over 50 years to learn?



Proof can not be subjective. If proof is subjective, it can not be confirmed by science to be proof.



Pain can be experienced by anyone though.



Yes. You can very well suspect that I am lying or delusional, but I might be in pain also. You dont know, and you will not know unless you perform a more indepth analyses which would simply be a waste of time and money.

I don't need to explain my point.
I really, really shouldn't have to explain any of my points when they are arguing against the human minds capability to phase through solid objects.



I don't think he looks like Ralph Machio.
I'll let you in on a little secret, keep it hush hush though. I, personally, think that it looks like me dressed up as superhero, quite possibly drawn in paint.
I guess.

When I say waffle, I mean useless information, opinions and/or writing.
Not agressive, just stupidly straight talking.

Stellar:
What about eyewitness accounts? 20 people see the same accident but only 10 people are usable because their stories are similar enough. Or what about when people debate about abortion? Is it the "truth" that the being is human after conception as pro life believes, or after birth like pro choice believes...both are true depending on your point of view. Also consider the translation of chinese medicine to the west. Western medicine refuses to acknowledge qi (chi) because it can not be quantified by any known instrument. Western medicine does however except the results, which is why you see such an intergration in american healthcare. Western science currently believes that the needling of certain points releases ATP and antibodies and that is part of the healing mechanism, but there are still unknown elements so the practice of acupuncture does not translate to western medicine and must be learned separately as another area of graduate study. The two sides are looking at the same practice, but they see two different "truths".


I think the original poster stated that anyone could do this right? Also, pain can be a crippling hinderance for some, while some ignore it completely.... if it was a real and quantitative thing, wouldn't everyone have similar thresholds?

Yes this was my whole point. That subjectively, you were indeed in pain...whatever the cause or underlying psychosis, you believe you are in pain, and since it is a sensation in your body you are probably right to some degree.

Obviously you do need to explain your point. Again, I am not saying that I think this is an attainable ability, just that your reasoning for coming to that conclusion was suspect. You claim that science "proves" this to be false, and as a scientist, I was curious to hear how. You have still yet to clarify. I demonstrated room for doubt by showing that sub-atomic particles could indeed "teleport". Also that your doubt, simply based on the disbelief of the ability of matter to move in unexplainable ways, was not a sound argument for your case. I stand by that. I have yet to hear you provide an example or study to say that there is no possibility of the phasing phenomenon. As a scientist you can only offer your best speculation in a case like this, to say that you know something for sure, while possessing no evidence would be a quick end to your scientific exploits.



It Does look like Ralph Machio And I am talking about the picture on the LEFT...so if that is you dressed up as a super hero you might want to invest in a new costume, because no one runs from Ralph Machio...you've seen the movies.

Well I suppose I could consider any opinion that was not my own "useless", but why bother reading other posts if I am just looking for people to agree with? I was simply trying to point out that many things are speculative and the "truth" isn't always just one thing. While I did think your assumtion was correct, I thought your assertions as to why were full of fallacy. It would be like me saying, " the earth is round, because the sky is round". While I would be correct about the earth, my reasoning is tragically flawed.

Exactly.


Edit: I just saw a picture of that guy. I look nothing like him! Well my picture doesn't really look like me, but even so!