Do you really think this "new" planet is vindication for the "woo woo" Planet X expoused by the likes of Nancy Lieder and Sitchin?

There is simply no way a big planet so close to Earth could have escaped astronomers´ detection-- even amateur astronomers, who even Lieder and Hazlewood must realize have no reason to lie-- all these decades.

For Planet X to be here in less then a decade,(2012),it can´t be farther than a billion or so kilometers away. Even at that distance, it would be one of the brightest objects in the sky.

Even if it were too faint to be seen with the naked eye, it would still be seen easily even if it were billions of kilometers away. Remember, tiny Pluto is 5 billion kilometers out, and can be easily detected using modern equipment, and Pluto is way smaller than Planet X is supposed to be.

In my opinion, this is the biggest problem with the Planet X myth.
Simply put: where is it?
We don´t see it optically, and we don´t see any effects gravitationally.

The Planet X as the Zeta-talk loonies would have it doesn´t exist. They claim that there is a giant planet or Brown Dwarf which regularly visits the inner solar system.

This "new" planet they discovered is small and DOES NOT visit the inner solar system.

Hence the woo-woos are still wrong.


Many Kuiper belt objects have been found in the last few years. It has been suspected for years that some could be larger than Pluto, and I´m not at all surprised that we found one. Further, I think there is a very good chance that we will find more.

When you say "we" should I assume you mean that you helped them find the kupier belt objects?

They covered up the lastest planet finding for two years. Finally a hacker exposed the discovery and NASA was forced to go public.

I have a pretty nice telescope, and I have to tell you that if there is a brown dwarf out there heading toward us, no backyard astronomer is going to see it untill it is right on top of us. All of the big telescopes are controled by the elusive governments. And the ones that aren't have a big problem moving data. They usually end up dead in a firey car accident.

Do a search and see how many scientists have been killed in car wrecks in the past few years. And then see what they were studying.


Jerry

I can't believe there is a planet so near by the Sun and we can't see it... It's just not likely. And why should astronomers etc. lie? Well... The car accident stuff... I don't know...
Although it's a nice site and some of the parts about aliens are quite interesting I can't (or don't want to) believe this planet X stuff.

Perhaps all this means is that astronomers are very bad drivers.

come on, why do you think alot of the astronomers who die are from the results of "car crashes" conspiracies are everywhere my friend

Silly astronomers are using projective lenses instead of windscreens.

Praytell, what good, exactly, would it do anyone to keep the existence of a large planetlike object nearing earth's orbit secret?

you think if this thing came close to earth every 20,000 years(if it was a planet not a brown dwarf) that it would either A. Hit earth and dissapear or B. One of the 2 would move the other out of a gravition course so they wouldnt come close to eachother again.

you tell us, mabye the whole nibiru planet ordeal is real, if such secrets exist within the government, they dont tell us because they dont have to tell us, mabye we are all living within the ultimate conspiracy of them all...which would be...we just dont know yet

There are libraries worth of things I don't know, I'd hardly call that a conspiracy. Our government is terrible at keeping secrets, if anything of this magnitude was out there information would have found a way to be leaked by now.

hold on a second.

What is this 'Planet X' a planet coming towards earth? Ive never heard of this someone please explain

I have never read any Planet X stories, but have heard one. That involved
a planet being opposite Earth, on the other side of the sun. There are convenient
reasons why this would not work. For one, as time passed, the opposition would have decayed, and we would have noticed them a long time ago.

The reason, Johnny, is that there are gravitational wells, and hills of potential
in the local solar system. Look at the illustration, below.

L1 is at a foci with short-lived and changing potential.

L2 is helped, and hindered, by the alignment of the Sun and the Earth. In other words, L2 is the most stable.

L4 and L5 are strong hills of potential, which bunch soon enough, into tight
coriolis pathways. Gravity countours the L4 and L5 space like a hill, so if you sit there, you will roll off the gravity hill, go into a turn, and roll back towards the top, over and over, until you don't make it back up- satellite probes do the same thing, over time.

L3 is a disaster, waiting to happen. A large mass would gain exponential momentum, and veer into another orbit in a possibly a millenium, but it could be a little longer.


In practical terms, we can park unmanned satellites at the most stable locations. It saves money not having to correct their drift, with monthly thruster firings.
Whether or not I have the Planet X story correct, we can at least say such tales must be 'far out'...

I've never heard that Planet X or Nibiru is going to be here in 2012. I thought it was to return around the year 3000.

Scientist know that something large is out there affecting the outer planets gravity and orbit, but know not what it is. They speculate it's a brown dwarf, but it could be a massive planet.

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I posted this in another Planet X thread below so I brought it here:


Im staying neutral in this "Is planet X real or not" debate. But with an open mind think of this: NASA and the government etc. discovers a large celestial object bigger then jupiter coming into a collsion course towards earth. Do you really think they would reveal that information to the public? Of course not! You would have worldwide breakdown of society, chaos. They first time this news of a planet X hit the public was in the 80's. Then they quickly came to say it was nothing. Then this year some astronomer said he found it and was going to name it after his new daughter just born ( was on CNN or FOX last month) then that was it, nothing, never heard from it again. That's pretty big news right there for amatuer astronomers and NASA alike to just die out like that. With an open mind maybe this guy got paid off to keep quiet etc. I mean it makes sense, but we will never really know anything. Sometimes when the truth is covered you just got to use common sense and what is plausible. Anyone can say that Planet X dosen't exist because there's no evidence proving it to exist, but there's also no evidence proving it dosent exist.

According to Zetatalk and other Internet sources, Planet X supposedly has a period of 3,657 years. If true, this gives PX a semi-major axis of about 35 billion kilometers. PX is supposedly somewhere near the Sun and inside the orbit of Earth. (It has to be inside Earth’s orbit to appear in front of the Sun as some have claimed.) I don’t know how close PX is supposed to get to the Sun, so I’ll make a guess and say it has a perihelion of 0.5 AU, or 74.8 million kilometers. As “the Zetas via Nancy say Planet X is 4 times larger than Earth in diameter and is 14 times more in mass”. So here’s what we allegedly know about Planet X:

Diameter = 51,000 km
Mass = 8.36x10^25 kg
Density = 1.20 g/cc
Orbital period = 3,657 years
Semi-major axis = 35,440,000,000 km
Eccentricity = 0.99789


The diameter and mass are nearly the same as the planet Uranus. Uranus is a faint naked eye object in our night sky; however, if you were to move it to, say, the orbit of Mars, it would outshine everything in the sky except the Sun and Moon.

Planet X’s passage through the inner solar system would be very rapid and short lived. This is based on the information provided by Nancy Lieder herself. All this talk of PX loitering around by the Sun is utter lunacy.

It is a scientific impossibility.

Based on my brief exposure to them, I'm thinking those Planet X people may be some of the most wacky of all the woo woos.

Washington Post
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, a front page story
31-Dec-1983

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through. "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto. "If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 459 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero. When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 billion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth. "It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can."

That story is 22 years old,sure there was an update later.

wow people there is no planet x.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

on the left side it debunks planet x.

yeah, good site. I know many sites which debunk the planet x theory. And they all use similar arguments which I find very plausible.
But I still don't understand why some people even come up with planet x if it can be proven wrong so easily... It makes them lose their credibility. (If it is really just nonsense)

Wow, you must be new to the field, eh? Plenty more with a higher "wacky" level.

I mean... I would be the perfect Zetatalk believer (since I'm a Zeta Reticuli maniac) But this planet x prediction simply was too strange for me. It's a shame... It would be such a nice website.

"Exit Mundi" the whole site is based on a Bias opinion of someone who has tried to come up with as many as World Endings as he can...something me and my friend does when we smoke too much weed. He doesn't give any proof for his theory's but his own opinion, he isn't even a good writer, he can't hide his imature personality.
guys for those who like to research things like that please read a book, the internent is impossible
to collect reliable information, try a library, and stop being soooo lazy.

books aren't always reliable, too.

I guess you got me.

I understand what you meen, wait i dont. I dont understand this post. Can you put it in short version i have a really small mind-span.

I heard rumors about them hiding it how do you know for sure. GO HACKER..even tho i'm against hacking, THEY PROVED THAT THE GOVERMENT LIES TO US, AND KEEPS STUFF FROM US.

I honestly hate our government. We might be a free country i meen good. thats what i like but for a free country there surely is some info that is not so freely being shared. Even tho this is just an opinion, i highly doubt that our government is going to tell us anything until the day that i die. Hehehe...sorry iw as thinking of a song when i wrote that last sentance. But you get it right?

Because..light rays affevted by the sun our bouncing back the atmosphere and causing all light rays to defect from the outer ridges of the gravitational pull of the earth that it bounces off coausing and " invisible " shield to take over .

I like making stuff up.

yah ok lets say that

wow, that sentance was so opinionated. Actully i dont get it? Are you saying that astronamers diie because of aliens or the planet x? Whyat?

yea RUMORS. theres rumors that elivs is still alive

Hello. Anything that the goverment can find to lie to us about they do. They love to lie. They like to make the world all mysterious..but have you ever noticed that everytime a big breakthrough starts up..George Bush doesnt look so surprised..they make it so that the people think that it's happening rapidly.

Just like the gas prices..I live in North Carolina..the gas price are going up to like 4 dollars a gallon..all of a sudden they are " out ". Well the place where i get my gas is so utterly awsome that the guy who owns it likes my mom, he said that this had been happening since 2 weeks before. They are pushing up the prices of the barrells so that Bush can raise the prices and " put it to a better cause" or maybe pay the people who distribute our gas to... " depleate. " or lose some..so that Bush can get more money for the government and force people to pay more taxes.

Wooh, that was a hard paragraph to write. But thats my opinion.

We just discovered that there are 10 planets in our orbit not 9. So we arent as advanced with astronomie as expected. This Planet X is far more away then the 10th planet. So it would be very very diffucelt to observe it.
Also I heard Planet X takes about 3600 years to orbit its sun (also their sun is exhausted) So maybe its not even near close earth. And if it was it would be at least at about 11 milion km distance. So pretty far actually. And it would come from another coordination, like Pluto's orbit and 10th planet. All this making it almost impossible for us to spot it.

Or we could get another moon..maybe I'll be the first one to step on that one...YAY!

what!? their sun is exhausted where did u hear that and why would that matter? are you suggesting theres life on "planet x"?

First of all Planet X is "supposedly" the 10th planet. Your saying theres 10 planets and then planet X. Which suns exhausted? Ours? huh? It's not even near close to earth you say, but its atleast 11 million km away from us!?!?! You think thats far in astromical terms?!? If this thing was 11 million km away it would almost be the same size as the sun. Im not trying to be rude, but you need to check up on your knowledge of astronomy.

Nope, it's not a mysterious object at all. It turned out to be Ultra-luminous Infrared Galaxies (ULIRGs). For more about this go to Bad Astronomy.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/plane...ience.html#iras

Basically, there is no Planet X, the original poster is quite correct.

What was the name of that Comet that they didn't even see untill it passed the earth due the fact that the Sun's rays's where preventing anything from picking it up.

Another terrible site set up by the Government of the United states.

I believe you need to update yours. Planet X is not the 10th planet, planet UB2003 or something like that is the 10th planet. Planet X is not a planet from our solar system but it does orbit through ours, supposedly. Im quite sure you understand my message now.
I added Planet X its orbit, this is not proven but this is how its ''supposed'' to be.





It doesnt matter much that their Sun is exhausted or not, I meant that it belong to another solar system not ours. But acient civilization such as the Sumarions (or something like that) they have written that Planet X which they call ''Nibiru'' is the planet of the Gods. So assuming there is E.T. But the reason why its hard to detect Planet X, is because it moves clockwise instead counterclockwise, like all of our planets in our solar system. And Nibiru is supposed to be as large as Jupiter.

If you guys want more info about Planet X ''Nibiru'' check out the sites below:

Site 1

Site 2

Nibiru Means "Planet Of the Crossing" not Gods and the Mayan/Astec also new about it, not just Sumarians.

That would be coool. I dont want other life..they might be better than us. Jealousy Building RARRAGRFSAS !!!! hehe..i do that a lot

Hmm I didnt know that the Mayans and Aztecs were aware of Nibiru could you perhaps give me a link for more information about that

They Mayans Calander runs out in 2012 where they believe will be the end of the bronze age (our Age), and the earth will rebirth it'self.
Check out this site they are pretty informative.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/mayan_calendar

- There could be such a thing as a Planet X around.

No, that's impossible. Planet X is said to have a highly elliptical orbit. But such orbits are unstable. Soon, the planet would get a circular orbit and become part of the 'normal' solar system - or it would fly off into deep space. There just is no other way.

- Sumerian mythology tells of a collision between two planets.

No, it doesn’t. In one particular Sumerian creation story, Earth is created after a violent conflict between Tiamat and Nibiru. But neither of them is a planet: they’re gods, the two of them. It was the writer Zecharia Sitchin who introduced the planets, not the Sumerians.

- The Sumerians knew of a planet they called `Nibiru'

Wrong. `Nibiru' is just the ancient word for `ferry boat'. In some Babylonian texts, the word `nibiru' is used to describe the movement of the planet Jupiter - which was also called `Marduk'. So neither Nibiru nor Marduk refers to some weird planet. It just means: Jupiter! Nothing more, nothing less.

- The Sumerians knew very much about cosmology. That’s why you should take it serious when they say there is a Planet X around.
Wrong. Indeed, the Sumerians had the same amount of brain as we have. But they weren’t interested in astronomy at all. That came later, with the Babylonian civilization. And even then, the Babylonians believed Earth was a disk, with the Sun revolving around it! Just look at it this way: the Greek, the Chinese and the Maya knew lot more about cosmology than the Babylonians and the Sumerians– and they never mentioned a tenth planet!

- The Sumerians had a pictorial word, `shar', that means `planet', `orbit' and `3,600'. This must refer to the fact that Planet X has an orbit time of 3,600 years.

Far from it. 'Shar' means '3,600' alright. But in another language, Akkadian, there was a pictorial 'sharru' which meant 'Marduk' or 'supreme ruler' -- and nót `planet'. The mixing up of two completely different languages, once again, comes from Sitchin

So, there appear to be two choices here; 1) A mysterious planet X that tools around the universe and is somehow being kept secret by a vast world wide government conspiracy. Or, 2) Ultra-luminous galaxies. Occam's razor anyone?

For those who chose option #2, you might be interested in this article:

http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/science_ultra.html

Planet X is UB2003 in MY opinion and other peoples opinions my friend I didn't say it was fact. This amatuer astronomer probably found it, when in actuallity it was possibly already found but kept quite by the goverment. That explains why the story just stopped after this new guy found it. Paid off to keep quiet? Makes sense since this is a pretty massive discovery in the astronomy scientific community for the story to just kinda die out like this. MY OPINION remember not fact. Im open to debate and discussion not some moron who says"No your wrong because i dont beleive that". Keep in mind that the goverment isnt gonna tell us our days are numbered and that something is gonna slam into our planet and kill everyone in so and so amount of time. (Break down of society, Chaos)

http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/

quantumE if you follow what others believe that there is planet x than u must agree that it goes in the same opitcal path and goes by earth every 3,600 years and that this happened when the sumanrians(sp) where around. well if that did happen then wouldnt they have died and not be able to write about it? if this is going to destroy the world than they wouldnt have been able to write about it. im not saying u believe this but other planet x people do. and another thing if this slammed into the earth before and created the astoriod belt between earth and mars then wouldnt planet x itself blow up too? its not just going to slam into earth and keep the same path even if it doesnt blow up. theres major flaws in the planet x theory.

Well im kind of weary on the supposive sumerian account of what planet X could be. I mean Its possible that such a planet did hit us before and the sumerians knew about it but who knows. Even that theory has big potholes like you mentioned. Every 3600 years is a short time period and looks like the earth has recovered pretty well from it so thats one major skeptical point for me. This planet X was supposevly jupiter size or even bigger, it will would be like a softball size object hitting an object the size of the period at the end of this sentence. That size object hitting us would obliterate our entire planet, basically disintergrate it. While the planet X would only sustain little damage.( Think Shoemake levy 9 earth size comets bombarding jupiter in early 90's, Jupiter is till there after that) Im kind of saying both sides are wrong in their own ways. But the threat of such a catastrophe happening isnt impossible, Because in all instances if such an event were about to occur no one would know about it except goverment people, NASA etc. until the average person starts seeing a really bright light getting bigger and bigger in the sky. The government(s) would want to keep our global society in check for as long as it can before chaos ensues.

theres bigger fish that we need to fry.