Sorry about starting two new topics in a row, but I felt that this needed to be said.

Being a sceptic is a _good_ thing. At this point, I'm almost quoting the psipog staff.

I searched the internet one day, before I had even heard of psionics. I did a search out of pure morbid curiosity and stumbled across psipog. I read some of the articles and realized "These people are either outhright lying, or they can really do these things". So, without believing at all, being a persistant sceptic, but a honest one, I did a simple psiball practice. I had nothing else to waste my time on anyway.

I actually felt a pressure-like feeling between my hands, and that lead me to think that "Either I'm just imagining it, and fooling myself into believing that I feel somenthing, or it's real". Still, I didn't believe in it, but i felt that it was worth it to give psychokinesis a try. At least, with psychokinesis, I could get undeniable proof!
So, still not believing, I tried, and it worked! As the days went, i got more and more convincing results, and one day, I made a force bubble (psiball programmed with psychokinesis), placed it near one of the edges of the psiwheel, and pushed the wheel. The psiwheel bounced back when it hit the force bubble!

I got my parents to push the wheel for me, and watching it bounce back. Finally, i had gotten proff that I could do PK, and that I wasn't hallucinating the results I had gotten earlier. (duh )

So, the moral is, DO NOT BELIEVE in any psionic skill if you haven't gotten it to work, but respect those who have.

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Also, and this is my second and even more important point:
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Most of those who doesn't believe in psionics, haven't given it a try, because "it doesn't exist anyway, I would be wasting my time". Isn't it better to use one night, read a psiball article from psipog, try making a simple psiball, and _then_ come back the following morning being a lot more confident that it doesn't work?
Then you could tell yourself: "I am on the the side of the honest guys, because I have actually tried it".

You don't learn to play the piano by avoiding to touch it. No wonder you don't believe in it!

Lastly: Psionics is *not* a hidden ability only waiting to be awakened, it is a skill, like playing the piano, or actually more like walking. You can learn it if you try, and you have the resources. Isn't the idea of your mind sending invisible signals down your nerves to move your muscles just as unbelievable? Try it, at the very least!

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I will love, seriously love you, if you can actually provide some proof that you could learn and master all of those abilaties as fast as you said you did. I'm not saying I don't believe, I'm just a little doubtful.

Is that true? Wow, congrats! ^^

So Bob... I take it UM will be the first site to receive your concrete proof of this then?

Video filmed by your parents please. If you don't have a vid camera, then taking in light you have X-men style abilities, i'm sure they will be more than willing to hire one for the day seeing as you will win the $1m prize for proving your abilities in public too.

Put up or...

What do you mean, "all of those abilities"?
-I did very newbie pk stuff,
-made a psiball (even more newbie)
-and I made a force bubble?
The force bubble isn't an own skill at all, it's more like a combination of the two things above.
And I didn't mention the time span. It took a month or so, though.

And doubtful isn't enough, you should consequently *not* believe me!

No I don't have a video camera, but you wouldn't trust a video, would you? Seriously, there's countless ways to fake a video. But if you want videos, you can check out the "media" section on psipog.net. Just keep in mind that _videos are not proof_.

About proving in public, would my life be better before or after? Seriously.

Ahhaa I knew there would be no proof.
Whatever bob.

I just wan't to quote this one time...

"You don't learn to play the piano by avoiding to touch it. No wonder you don't believe in it!" -Bob_Stew

I want to see some proof aswell

but I would rather try myself

so the website is? (another good way to see how truthful )

Hey Im on Mr ED side.... AAAHHHHH!

Maybe we entered the Twilight Zone.

We'd trust it a bit more than your simple word. It has to be done right though.

I tend to be a skeptic on most things. Ghosts, other paranormal crap, extraterrestrials, those ridiculous conspiracy theories, etc....


But particularly in this part of the forum...


Bob, if you can't give us any proof, try to give us just a little bit of evidence. Or is that too hard for you?

I am with most of the other posters here in that we require some type of objective proof other than your say-so. Your say-so itself is not particularly encouraging. First, how did you know that it "worked" at first? Can you quickly describe what a "force ball" is? How do you know that the psiwheel didn't spin back for other reasons? How did it spin back? Was it a sudden stop and re-acceleration in the other description, or a gradual stop and then gradual re-acceleration back in your direction (which fits more of a spring than a psionic "force wall."

Psiballs take a whikle to master for anyone, especially macro pk. There are ways to make a video and proove it's real. Show us the making of the psi wheel and wave a knife all over it just to proove that it doesn't have any strings attatched, then show us that there aren't any sources of air.

Considering the idea of a psi ball has been around for decades now, and cameras too have been around for decades, I doubt that they exist considering no one has made a film of one so far...

(psi ball, visible, psi wheel whatever. Point made).

Yes they have, but you dissed them as soon as you saw them.

I haven't seen any on film...

www.psipog.net

I hope you are joking.
I will believe a video if it comes from a credible source or is beyond a doubt showing something real.

This site is not a credible source and the videos do not show something real.

I could give you some sites that apparently prove the existence of fairies...

I don't completely believe all of them are real. I would like to believe though that there are actual people out there that seriously practice and showed there experince amongst freinds. Maybe they really don't want the attention.

I would like to believe that to. However, I don't.
Hmm, well judging by how many people on this site believe that they have powers that could be visibly confirmed or proved, then thinking about how many sites like this there are and how many people visit them, let alone how many people believe they can do this stuff, but don't go to the sites...that gives us a very big number of people who believe they can do these things.

And not one of them really wants the attention?
I don't think so somehow.

Not a single real-life person with psi-powers wants attention, fame or fortune eh? Rightttttt........

Seems like they all don't own a video camera either... or get "mental blocks" due to stress when people are watching them...

maybe its something akin to the test taking anxiety some people suffer from....they can't perform under pressure....

I've never found another site like psipog and defiently not any believable videos. I think that there aren't very many open minded people out there now days and defiently not any with dedication. If you take away all of the fakes and then that want attention and then the people that don't want the attention. Then you'll have VERY few people that are actually trying to get to the media.

Obviously none are. I don't see any front page stories of people levitating babies or controlling fire and wind.

But what respected newpaper would accept the stories?

Firstly, I'd like to make it clear that my story is just that, a story. You _shouldn't_ go about believing in psychokinesis all of a sudden because of it, and I can't seem to understand those who think I'm trying to prove anything to you. I did not come to the UM forums to convince you that pk is real, but I like a good discussion, and it's interesting to hear about other people's experiences.



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See, this is one of the things I can't prove. Except if I place the wheel under a glass bowl or something like that. If you trust any video where strings and air currents aren't valid possibilities, check out the Media section on PsiPog. One vid shows Annie moving the psiwheel onder a glass container, and one other shows NI spinning a watch. I don't think I could make any more convincing videos than that, but the PsiPog staff insists that there are several ways to fake them, so we aren't supposed to look at videos as proof. Who's the naive ones, you guys or the psipog staff?



Very many get it on their first try nowadays. It was different back when everyone had to figure out for themselves, and didn't have articles.



That's a lot of questions, and I haven't got all night, but I'll try to answer.

1: I didn't know, at first. But my first results were interesting enough to keep my interest up. : P
And if you meant, how did I know the force ball would work, I read about it on PsiPog weeks before actually trying it.

2: A force ball is a ball of psi "implanted" with pk. You can make it repel things (most usual), and I guess you could make it attract things.

3: I checked it, of course. I'm not stupid. Even after the first ten minutes of checking and double-checking the surroundings, (even if this was pretty ridiculous, I mean, air currents wouldn't be half that strong and sudden outside) I almost didn't believe my own eyes. That's when I got some people to confirm. I could push the psiwheel pretty hard in one direction, and it would bounce back as if there was some kind of "bouncy wall" there. Hard to explain. The strength surprised me, it was my first force bubble.
After half an hour pushing it, and watching it bounce back, both when I pushed it clockwise and counter-clockwise, I left it.

4: I partially explained that under q.3. It didn't immediately stop and change direction, but it turned fully in, let's say, half a second or less. It looked more like a "bounce" than anything else.
I my force bubble had been weaker, the paper wheel would have turned slower.



Calm down, no need to be rude. What do you want to know that I haven't already told you? I don't know how to prove this to you, and I certainly won't go through fire to do it, either, and I won't throw away my life by making it public.
Just ask, and I'll answer. Do you mean theoretical evidence?

I hope *you* are joking.
There has been several videos made, yes, many more than the psipog ones,
but a person who starts to believe in pk just because of a video is a pretty naive person!
Besides, I don't trust people easily. PsiPog taught me pk, so i guess I trust them to some degree.

I would believe someone who went on the news with undeniable powers.

Right - I can't speak for others, but I, for one, prefer my current life.
Can't say I blame the rest.
That shows just how much it means to me that the world knows about pk, right?
Less than my social life. Besides, psionics is a hobby. I care about other things, don't want to only be known for my meager ability to do pk.

"This one time, I was eating a candy bar at the beach, and a girl started taking off her bathing suit..."

"Get back to the candy bar!"

Also, congratulations to Bob Stew for his newfound powers. Now, if you can video tape them, and send them to me, and I am unable to debunk them, I will personally send you a check for 1000 dollars.

Same sentiment as above.

But I wouldn't give you 1000 dollars.

This is getting ridiculous....

"Hey guys! Watch me make a psiball!"

*hands feel warm*

"Yay! I did it! Now I can heal myself!"

Oh come on Bob... your usual hobbies getting boring lately...?

If I had £1'000 to blow I would firmly place it on the odds that you have no psi powers, and certainly could not provide anything approaching compelling evidence either on a camera or were I with you in person.

I really don't see how your story is any different to the THOUSANDS who have come on this site before claiming what you are claiming, then slowly fading away when asked to really provide some sort of credible evidence that they can do what they say.

Just my opinion.

Well, Bob, thanks for answering my questions. Still, you need to make a video of this or something; although I am not calling you a liar, we need objective proof.

I'm tired now.
Answer me, seriously and clearly;
Would you, if you were a skilled psion, which I hardly am, prove it to the world, get 1 000 000 $ and let the rest of you life revolve around psionics and media?
What the hell is this discussion? I _might_ consider making a more or less officially anonymous video, if and when I can get hold of a camera, but this forum is starting to make me sick.

Might not the others at least have the intelligence to consider the above question?

I have shown you far more respect than you have shown me this far.
Some of these topics on this forum have given me a hard laugh or two, but I'll be off as soon as the psipog forum kicks in, I think. Maybe sooner. I came here for honest discussion, not people who almost seem angry at me because I claim I can do something they don't believe in.
Some people on this forum do psionics ( I think we are at 3 psychokinesis and 2 telepathy/empathy now), others don't believe in it, which is great, but show respect, which is more important, but then again, others have a very impolite way of approaching psions in general. And I'm not referring to you, specifically.



Rrright. Let's hear it for polite discussions, everybody. Aaand..




I love you.

If you were to collect the money for being able to prove PK, do you have any idea how many people you could help with it? Lets say you collected the 1million dollars. I'm sure the instutute would allow you to have a certain level of anonymity. Legally, you could get them to sign documents and such. But with a million bucks, you could take a poor man from the streets, buy him a house, and send him to college or something. To OWE it to the disadvantaged to at least give it a try, regardless of whether you want the money of not.

By the way people, all the videos on psipog are fradulent except one. Guess the one! I will personally debunk any video from that website you want me to. And I'm not talking just flaming it either. I'll take you through every possible premise of how and why it could be faked, as well a sthe potential psychology behind the person who faked it. I'll be thorough. Damn thorough.

I'm tired now.
Answer me, seriously and clearly;
Would you, if you were a skilled psion, which I hardly am, prove it to the world, get 1 000 000 $ and let the rest of you life revolve around psionics and media?

In a heart beat. Do you have any idea the welth you would make? Do you have any idea how many people you could help with that money? You could literally be the next mother Theresa! You could go to 3rd world nations and set up nutritional supplement factories, create schools, start churches. You could potentially save thousands of lives! If I thought for a second I could prove PK, and win the million and become a media figure forever, I would GLADLY, I repeat, GLADLY sacrifice my personal privacy for the benefit I could be to the disadvantaged.

Really, you have to be selfish, or a fake, not to.

What the hell is this discussion? I _might_ consider making a more or less officially anonymous video, if and when I can get hold of a camera, but this forum is starting to make me sick.

That's always the way with you guys. When ever you are asked to prove yourself, you delay for as long as you can, start saying that you are getting sick of this place, and then eventually leave, for another place where people will believe you. Either that, or you change your user name. I've seen that one alot too. I'm not trying to lay a heavy one on you, I'm just saying I've seen this all before.


I have shown you far more respect than you have shown me this far.
Some of these topics on this forum have given me a hard laugh or two, but I'll be off as soon as the psipog forum kicks in, I think. Maybe sooner. I came here for honest discussion, not people who almost seem angry at me because I claim I can do something they don't believe in.

Again, psipog is for kids. Their forum will be filled with kids, claiming to have powers to other kids, beliving kids. It's seems that all you want is unfounded blind belief in your skill. You'll notice in my posts that I frequently say that I believe in the metaphysical, even in telekinesis. But when I see the same pattern unfolding time and time again with everyone who comes here claiming such abilities, honestly now, what am I supposed to think?



Some people on this forum do psionics ( I think we are at 3 psychokinesis and 2 telepathy/empathy now), others don't believe in it, which is great, but show respect, which is more important, but then again, others have a very impolite way of approaching psions in general. And I'm not referring to you, specifically.

I agree with you that there are alot of people here who have a chip on their shoulder and have nothing beter to do than to type insults. That is a shame, and gives all skeptics alike a bad name. I don't want to insult you or offend you, but honestly, the patterns you seem to be exibiting are common amoung the ranks of those who claim to have abilities which they do not actually have.

What's more, is that alot of people on here truely BELIEVE they have these abilities, when they don't.

I remember about a year ago a young 13 year old girl who claimed she had x-ray vision. Her user name was "psychicpowersarenice". She swore up and down for months she could do this, posted techniques, and debated back and forth. And low and behold, I was actualyl able to make her see that it was all in her head. We thanked each other, and got along fine after that. So you see, it doesn't matter if you yourself truely believe you have psychokinetic abilities. There is a chance that you may be deluding even your very self! It sounds strange, I know, but it is a psychological phenomena none the less.

If I could give you a tip for posting on here, refreain from talking in absolutes. Instead of saying, "I made the psiwheel turn to the left", say, "As I was concentrating, it seemed the psiwheel was reacting by moving to the left." You'll get alot better responses if you don't talk in absolutes.

Also, psiwheels are one of the worst tests or experiemnts of PK. Why? there are too many outside variables. if you want a good test, you need to have a situation where only one possibility is prevalent, and then try to circumvent that possibility. Example:

Put two ice cubes in seperate dishes. Try to make one melt significantly faster that the other. Or even better, take two magnets, face their opposing poles at each other, and try to make them move towards each other.

"In a heart beat. Do you have any idea the welth you would make? Do you have any idea how many people you could help with that money? You could literally be the next mother Theresa! You could go to 3rd world nations and set up nutritional supplement factories, create schools, start churches. You could potentially save thousands of lives! If I thought for a second I could prove PK, and win the million and become a media figure forever, I would GLADLY, I repeat, GLADLY sacrifice my personal privacy for the benefit I could be to the disadvantaged."

Lol, I doubt $1 million would be enough to be able to do all that.

Indeed, Bob seems to look for weak arguments in favor of him not having to prove anything. To me, a video can never be absolute proof of existence; videos are too easily faked. In fact, all media can easily fake this. I would have to see it in person, under conditions which I controlled, and not the "psionic person".

Lol, I doubt $1 million would be enough to be able to do all that.

No no, not merely the 1million, but the other money you'd make by being a media figure.

Indeed, Bob seems to look for weak arguments in favor of him not having to prove anything.

They always do. they ALWAYS do. That's how you can differentiat between the reals and the fakes.



To me, a video can never be absolute proof of existence;

I agree. However, some videos are easier to debunk than others.

Insight, I'm being truthful here. I believe with out a doubt that I can control my bodys inner energy. Not like a master but still a novice. I don't want to believe if it is truly in my head. Please try and proove me wrong.

Okay.

Hey Insight,

Do you believe any of it? any psi-onics or whatever... Tk?

I mean you are offering $1000...

right?

If I could do anything out of the ordinary I would show it to you In a second...

If I were to do it or anyone else wanted to, what camera angle would you want? How zoomed in? What would you accept as paranormal? What other conditions?

That should take away any doubt somone may have in you not believing them, if they followed what you tell them.

And Take away mabey one lame excuse

And then you would give us a link here

WAIT.....

how did I know that? AM I PSYCHIC!?!?

He he he

As usual, Insight just summed up the situation more eleqoently than I. So read that Bob. You couldn't say it any more accurately than he just has, he covered all angles.



Eh?

That may be rather difficult. All he mentioned was that he can "control his body's inner energy," which gives us no idea of what to even look for when examining his "powers" skeptically.

I think you'll find that his "Okay" was sarcasm.

Well, that's what emoticons are for!

You sound like a closed minded person without the thought process to decide if you believe or not on your own. Look around a bit more and use your brain that is going to waste right now.