mat112
Sep 4 2005, 08:10 PM
OMG I CANT BELIVE I ACTUALLY FOUND IT! ITS THE LEER DOCUMENT THE MAN WHO WROTE THIS WAS ASSASINATED READ PLEASE ITS REALLY IMPORTANT. READ AND COMMENT ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS PLEASE.
MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a deal with the EBE's (extra-terrestrial iological entities) or "Greys" around the period of 1969-1970-1971. The "deal" was in exchange for technology that they would provide to us we would ignore the abductions that were going on. The EBE's assured us that these abductions were merely ongoing monitoring of develop- ing civilizations: (in fact these abductions have been for at least 3 purposes: (1) insertion of a tiny probe about 3 millimeters in size into the brain for monitoring and programming purposes; (2) post hypnotic suggestion concerning an important event that will occur in the next 2 to 5 years and giving the subject someplace to go and something to perform at that time; under our best hypnotic techniques we were unable to find out when or where or what this event is, and (3) genetic crossbreeding between the EBE's and humans. In many of the abductee hypnotic regressions of women with unusual terminated pregnancies they have been shown these "cross-breeds", usually frail tiny beings with comparatively large heads, thin skin, very thin arms and legs. Since we weren't aware of these facts we went along with the agreement but insisted on a list of the abductees to be submitted periodically to the National Security Council and MJ-12.
The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in some type of nuclear war or possibly on the back side of a genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tongues and throats of cows or humans. (Note: cows and humans are genetically similar. In event of a national disaster cow blood can be used by humans). This secretion is mixed with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) and another substance and is either spread on the skin, or the hands are dipped in the solution. The body then absorbs the mixture and excretes the waste back through the skin.
The cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout the period from 1973 to 1983 and publicly noted through newspaper and magazine stories and included a documentary produced by Linda Howe for the Denver CBS affiliate were for the collection of these secretions and other items. The mutilations included genitals taken, rectums cored out to the colon, eyes missing and the tongue and throat cut with extreme surgical precision. The incisions were made cutting between the cells, actually separating molecular structure. This is why no blood was found at all, yet there was no vascular collapse. This has also been true in human mutilations, one of the first ones of which was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands Missile Test Range in 1956, who was found three days after an Air Force Major had witnessed the abduction of Sgt. Louette by a "disk shaped" object about 0200 one morning. His genitals had been removed, rectum cored out in a surgically precise "plug" up to the colon, eyes re-moved and no blood remaining, with no vascular collapse. From some of the evidence it is apparent that this surgery is accomplished in most cases while the victim, animal or human, is still alive. The various parts are taken to various underground laboratories, one of which is known to be 2-1/2 miles northwest of the small New Mexico town of Dulce, 1 Km deep inside the Archuletta Mesa. This jointly occupied (CIA-Alien) facility has been described as enormous, with huge tiled halls that "go on for ever". Several ink drawings of photos taken inside the facility were recently released as the "Dulce Papers". The photos show large vats with pale meat being agitated in solution. An abductee in regression recalled "large test tubes with humans in them. I saw a baby in another".
After the initial agreement between MJ-12 and the aliens, Groom Lake, one of this nation's most secret test centers in Nevada was closed for a period of 2 years (1972-1973) and a huge underground facility was constructed for and with the help of the EBE's. The bargained-for technology was set in place but could only be operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless to say, the advanced technology could not be used against the EBE's in case of need.
During the period of 1979 through 1983 it became increasingly obvious to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned. It became known that many more people (in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed on the official abduction list being supplied to the National Security Council and MJ-12 and that the abductions included much more that the "simple monitoring of an advancing civilization". In addition, it became obvious that some, not all, but some of the nation's missing children had been used for secretions and other parts required by the aliens.
In 1979, there was an altercation of sorts at the Archuletta laboratory. Delta Force was called in to try and free a number of people trapped in the facility who had become aware of what was really going on. 66 of the soldiers were killed in the effort and our people were not freed.
By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror of the mistake they had made in dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly promoted "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd-looking" aliens that were compassionate, benevolent, and very much our "space brothers". They "sold" the EBE's to the public and were now faced with the fact that quite the opposite was true. In addition, a plan started in 1968-1969 to make the public aware of the existance of aliens on Earth over the next 20 years, to be culminated with several documentaries to be released during the 1985-1987 period of time. These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the EBE's. The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes, wishes, and dreams of MJ-12 into complete confusion and panic.
Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf course and lavish sleeping and working quarters built by and exclusively for the members of MJ-12, it was a factional fight of what to do now. Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess the whole scheme and shambles it had become to the public, beg their forgiveness, and ask for their support. The other half of MJ-12 argued there was no way they could do that, that the situation was untenable and there was no use in exciting the public with the "horrible truth" and the best plan was to continue the development of a weapon that could be used against the EBE's under the guise of "SDI", the Strategic Defense Initiative, which had nothing whatever to do with a defense from Russian nuclear missiles. As these words are being written, Dr. Teller "father of the H-bomb", is in the test tunnels of the Nevada Test Site driving his workers and associates in the words of one, "like a man possessed". And well he should for Dr. Teller was a member of MJ-12, along with Dr. Kissinger, Bobby Inman and possibly Admiral Poindexter, to name a few of the current MJ-12.
Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to the meticulous plan of metered release of information to the public, several documentaries and videotapes were made. William Moore, a Burbank, California-based UFO researcher came into possession of a videotape through his contacts with MJ-12 who had taken a great interest in Mr. Moore's book, "The Roswell Incident", published in 1980. The book detailed the crash, recovery, and subsequent coverup of a UFO with 4 alien bodies. They decided to use Moore as one of several conduits to help in the gradual release of the existance of aliens to the public. The video Mr. Moore had was an inter-view by 2 well known newsmen of a military officer associated with MJ-12. In the interview the military officer answers questions relating to the history of MJ-12 and the coverup, the recovery of a number of flying saucers, the existance of a live alien (one of three living aliens, designated or named EBE1, EBE2, and EBE3) being held in a facility designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico. The only other facility of this type is at Edwards Air Force Base in Mojave, California. The officer named names as previously mentioned plus a few others: Harold Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, and Von Karmon. The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ. The EBE's have some sort of recording device that has recorded all of the Earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram. This hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work, it does not come out clearly. The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put on film to show to the public. The EBE's claim to have created Christ in view of the "Grand Deception" could be an effort to disrupt traditional values for undetermined reasons.
Another videotape alleged to be in existence is an interview with an EBE. Since EBE's communicate telepathically, an Air Force Colonel serves as an interpreter. Just before the recent stock market crash, several newsmen including Bill Moore had been invited to Los Alamos to personally film and distribute to the public a similar type interview. Apparently, because of the market crash, it was felt that the timing was not propitious.
Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, the first few pages of which leaked out several years ago and detailed a supersecret NSA project which has been denied by them until just recently. The Aquarius Project was the communication with aliens, specifically the
EBE's. Within the Aquarius Project was Project Snowbird, a project to test fly a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada.
Moore feels that MJ-12 has been stringing him along, promising to go public with some of the information on the extraterrestrials for too long a time. He has made the decision that if MJ-12 does not come forward with the information and release it publicly by the end of 1987 then he, Moore, will go with "what he's got", i.e. the videotapes, remainder of the Aquarius documents, and additional matter.
Certain of Moore's statements leads one to believe that Moore himself is a government agent working for MJ-12, not being strung along, but stringing along ever hopeful ufologists that the truth is just around the corner.
Consider:
1. Moore states emphatically that he is not a government agent, although when Les Graham (a Southern California-based ufologist) was investigated by the DIS for documents in his possession received from Moore, Moore himself was not.
2. Moore states emphatically that the cattle mutilations were a hoax by Linda Howe to create publicity for herself. He cites the unobtainable book "Mute Evidence" as the bottom line on the hoax.
3. Moore states that the U.S.A.F. Academy physics book "Introductory Space Science" Volumn II Chapter 13 titled Unidentified Flying Objects and describes four of the most commonly seen aliens (one of which was an EBE) was written by a Lt. Col. and Major who did not know what they were talking about and were merely citing "crackpots". He says the book was withdrawn to exise the chapter.
If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the existence of aliens on Earth because of overwhelming mounting evidence and taking into consideration the "Grand Deception" and obvious hostile intentions of the EBE's it might be expedient for MJ-12 to admit to
EBE's but conceal information of the mutilations and abductions. If MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of agreement then it would be benificial to toe the party line. For example "...here are some more genuine documents but remember...don't discuss the mutilations or abductions". If Moore was indeed working as an agent for MJ-12 he would follow the party line anyway...pooh poohing the mutilations and abductions.
Time will tell. It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release the video interview with the military officer around the first of the new year. From MJ-12's point of view the public would be exposed to the information without really having to believe it because Moore is not as credible a source as, say, the President of the United States. After a few months of digestion and discussion a more credible source could emerge with a statement that yes, in fact, the interview was essentially fact. This would cushion somewhat the blow to the public.
If, however, Moore does not release the tape by, say, February 1, but comes instead with a story similar to: "MJ-12 has informed me they are definitly planning a total release of all information by October 1988. I have seen the plan and have seen the guarantees that this will happen. So I have decided to withhold the issuance of my videotape at this time as it may cause problems", this would, in effect, buy more time for MJ-12, and time is what they desperatly need.
The rest of us have to wonder what the big picture is anyway. Are the EBE's having done a hundred thousand or more abductions and built an untold number of underground bases (Groom Lake, Sunspot, Datil, Pietown, Northern Nevada, Roswell, just to name a few alien underground bases) getting ready to go back to where they came from? Or from the obvious preparation are we to assume they are getting ready for some big move? Or, the most sinister and most probable situation is that the invasion is essentially complete and everything is over but the screaming.
A well-planned invasion of Earth for its resources and benefits would not start with mass landings and a lot of rayguns. A properly planned and executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably hundreds of thousands of years in advance of us would be complete before only a handful, 12 for instance, would even know. No muss, no fuss.
Here is a list of some of the probable visitors to Earth from outer space. The only known home of these visitors is that of the EBE's and which is Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2, a binary star system visible from the Southern Hemisphere approximatly 38 light years away with a spectral class of G2, identical to our Sun.
Three Types of EBE's (Greys)
Grey-1: 3-1/2 ft. tall, large head, large slanted eyes. Worship technology. Don't give a damn about mankind.
Grey-2: Same type, different finger arrangement, slightly different face. More sophistocated than Grey-1, use common sense, passive. May not need secretions.
Grey-3: Same basic type. Lips thinner, more subservient to other two greys.
Blonds, Swedes, Nordics
Known by any of these monikers. Similar to Humans. Blond hair, blue eyes. Will not break universal law of "non-interference" to help us. They could only intervene if any Grey activity would have adverse effect in another part of universe.
Interdimensional
Entity that can assume various shapes. Peaceful nature.
Hairy Dwarfs
4 ft. tall, 35 lbs. Extremely strong. Hairy, neutral. Don't try to hurt intelligent life.
Very Tall Race
Look like humans but 7 or 8 ft. tall. Unit with Blonds.
Humans Appearing Similar to Blonds (seen with Greys)
Drones created by Greys. Child-like mentality.
MIB's
Men in black. Wear all black. Sunglasses. Very pale skin. Do not conform to normally accepted patterns. Extremely sensitive to light. May be a holographic image.
That's all I have for you now except to tell you that Moore has shown the videotape to 5 well known persons to judge reactions. One of those persons was Paul Harvey, well known news commentator and personal friend. Paul says he has seen the evidence but rejects the content. I talked with him briefly over the telephone the other day to tell him that the video was essentially true but there was some very important information that he should be aware of known as the Grand Deception. I told him that one thing, the story that the EBE's invented Christ, was probably not true. He said he didn't believe that part anyway. I told him it was important that he know "the rest of the story" and that I would be in Chicago in a few weeks to brief him. He said that I was certainly welcome.
A word about channeling and channelors. Pure, unadulterated crap. The Greys have created this "Space Brother" nonsense to appeal to a certain segment of the population who might otherwise dig for real information.
soconfuzzledx1
Sep 4 2005, 09:13 PM
EDIT: Removed pointless quote.
BurnSide
OMG..living prrof that they exist. But, how did he come accrossthis info, is he himself an abductee? Where is Video 5. He was assasinate because of this?
Another point proven that government is a big black hole. Any info put into it comes out millions of years later. This is a great document? Do have the site where you got this from? I would love to know this, this docment is huge, any man-kind that can know this must have some inside experiance.
Who was the assasinator. Someone in the government? I wouldnt be surprised. This is great. I will cherish this. This is huge.
Zeta
Sep 4 2005, 09:32 PM
Yeah, the negative greys can be really evil. But there are also greys who aren't dangerous.
OtterLord
Sep 4 2005, 10:20 PM
I dont come to the E.T. forum too often so dont call me stupid but whats the Leer Document?
Yelekiah
Sep 4 2005, 10:45 PM
QUOTE(mat112 @ Sep 4 2005, 04:10 PM)
The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in some type of nuclear war or possibly on the back side of a genetic curve. [right][snapback]826848[/snapback][/right]
It is the result of radiation and too much cloning. It literally destroys DNA. That is why they make hybrids with humans.
Zeta
Sep 4 2005, 11:00 PM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 5 2005, 12:45 AM)
QUOTE(mat112 @ Sep 4 2005, 04:10 PM)
The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in some type of nuclear war or possibly on the back side of a genetic curve. [right][snapback]826848[/snapback][/right]
It is the result of radiation and too much cloning. It literally destroys DNA. That is why they make hybrids with humans.
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yes, this is true. And probably a lot of things in this document are true. But I think John Lear exaggerates some things. Ok, the greys didn't keep with the pact... Especially the negative greys have no emotions and don't care about many things. But that doesn't mean there will be an invasion. I think he put much of his own opinion into this...
But I would like to know how he was assassinated. Does anybody know?
whipnet
Sep 4 2005, 11:02 PM
I love this document, it's was always one of my favorites.
Problem is, it came out in 1987 I think.
Did the government come to a new agreement with them, or others?
Been almost 20 years....
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Zeta
Sep 4 2005, 11:15 PM
QUOTE(whipnet @ Sep 5 2005, 01:02 AM)
I love this document, it's was always one of my favorites.
Problem is, it came out in 1987 I think.
Did the government come to a new agreement with them, or others?
Been almost 20 years....
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Probably. It feels like there aren't so many difficulties anymore... But maybe that's just me.
mat112
Sep 4 2005, 11:22 PM
QUOTE(soconfuzzledx1 @ Sep 4 2005, 09:13 PM)
EDIT: Removed pointless quote.
BurnSide
OMG..living prrof that they exist. But, how did he come accrossthis info, is he himself an abductee? Where is Video 5. He was assasinate because of this?
Another point proven that government is a big black hole. Any info put into it comes out millions of years later. This is a great document? Do have the site where you got this from? I would love to know this, this docment is huge, any man-kind that can know this must have some inside experiance.
Who was the assasinator. Someone in the government? I wouldnt be surprised. This is great. I will cherish this. This is huge.
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my friend was talking about it and he said he got it from google he searched it up and it was the first 1 there, but now when i search leer document i cant find it, nowhere it slike some 1 took it out of the database, and yes i thinkthe goverment assasinated him because he knew too much, and my friend sent it to me in email cuz i couldent find it anywhere
Zeta
Sep 4 2005, 11:33 PM
I think it's called "Lear Document". Maybe this was the problem.
Skeptic102
Sep 4 2005, 11:48 PM
I dont buy this for a second. Sounds like a crappy conspiracy theory to me. Man eating aliens from outerspace? Governments trading humans for technology? Alien bases with vats of human blood? HA! I doubt it. I think this is your typical conspiritorial hoax created by paranoid conspiracy-driven UFOlogists. All this is is a story, please dont take it seriously.
Blazar
Sep 5 2005, 03:13 AM
Sounds cool but, unlikely
I think I'll read it again good post!
mat112
Sep 5 2005, 03:21 AM
QUOTE(Skeptic102 @ Sep 4 2005, 11:48 PM)
I dont buy this for a second. Sounds like a crappy conspiracy theory to me. Man eating aliens from outerspace? Governments trading humans for technology? Alien bases with vats of human blood? HA! I doubt it. I think this is your typical conspiritorial hoax created by paranoid conspiracy-driven UFOlogists. All this is is a story, please dont take it seriously.
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well im glad you got your own opinion but the governemt would do lots of things you wont believe, you know the person was assasinated right after he wrote this he had lots of experince with studying ufos and aliens.
Bio-Mage
Sep 5 2005, 10:15 AM
We are in 2005 and yet a major event has not come to pass? My question is , if all that is true...why?
theSOURCE
Sep 5 2005, 03:54 PM
In case anyone's still interested, John Lear (not Leer), the author of the above letter, is still alive and as loony as ever. He's the son of William Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, and is well known for making ridiculous claims about aliens and UFOs (such as the Krill papers).
Even his associate, good ol' nutcase Bob Lazar, states that Lear makes up a large percentage of his claims.
John Lear letter
Zeta
Sep 5 2005, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Sep 5 2005, 05:54 PM)
In case anyone's still interested, John Lear (not Leer), the author of the above letter, is still alive and as loony as ever. He's the son of William Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, and is well known for making ridiculous claims about aliens and UFOs (such as the Krill papers).
Even his associate, good ol' nutcase Bob Lazar, states that Lear makes up a large percentage of his claims.
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Oh, so he is still alive? And even Bob Lazar says he makes some things up?
Hm, yes, well I just read some articles about him and now I'm even more sure he overstated it.
Mr Ed
Sep 5 2005, 06:49 PM
Someone tell me if I am being ridiculously silly to suggest such a thing, but I am guessing, just a humble guess, that the Leer document, dare I say it, is complete and utter bs.
Skeptic102
Sep 5 2005, 06:59 PM
QUOTE
Someone tell me if I am being ridiculously silly to suggest such a thing, but I am guessing, just a humble guess, that the Leer document, dare I say it, is complete and utter bs.
I think your absolutely right. I think documents like these are made by a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists that are psycologically harming themselves. They come to these BS conclusions with no supporting evidence and induce exteme paranoia. Its actually quite sad.
theSOURCE
Sep 5 2005, 07:07 PM
QUOTE(Skeptic102 @ Sep 5 2005, 12:59 PM)
Its actually quite sad.
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Sad though it may be, it's actually done for the money. Many of these con artists know how to make a buck off the gullible and naive through books, articles, and lectures.
Maybe they're not so delusional after all.
Chokmah
Sep 5 2005, 08:04 PM

you mean it's
not real!?
then... where did
I come from?
but seriously, the words used sound like a kid's or something. you'd of expected someone who wrote this article to use, oh well i don't know, more
SOPHISTICATED words
but anyway, fun read

but totally not of an undeniably factual article.
I mean COME ON it was found on the
internet ...the
INTERNET
whipnet
Sep 5 2005, 10:04 PM
I used to believe Lear.
I last heard Lear talking about "Aliens and their soul-catching device" on Coast to Coast AM. He now claims when we die, our soul is shot up to the moon, analysed by aliens, we are reset or wiped clean and sent back down here in the form of another birth to do it all again. If you drown or die at sea the device on the moon doesn't work through water (???) and this is where the term lost souls comes from. Our Moon was pulled in orbit for this purpose.
This is why we stopped going to the moon. We were warned off, and will not return.
The device is an enormous tower supposedly.
He's been around for a while in the UFO community and his stories get wilder and wilder.
One thing about Lear is when asked a question he doesn't know, he says he doesn't know and doesn't try change the subject or make something up on the spot.
But the latest tales from him.... (???) hmm
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Uversa
Sep 5 2005, 10:18 PM
Certainly an interesting read anyway. thanks
smallpackage
Sep 5 2005, 10:26 PM
QUOTE(whipnet @ Sep 5 2005, 10:04 PM)
I used to believe Lear.
I last heard Lear talking about "Aliens and their soul-catching device" on Coast to Coast AM. He now claims when we die, our soul is shot up to the moon, analysed by aliens, we are reset or wiped clean and sent back down here in the form of another birth to do it all again. If you drown or die at sea the device on the moon doesn't work through water (???) and this is where the term lost souls comes from. Our Moon was pulled in orbit for this purpose.
This is why we stopped going to the moon. We were warned off, and will not return.
The device is an enormous tower supposedly.
He's been around for a while in the UFO community and his stories get wilder and wilder.
One thing about Lear is when asked a question he doesn't know, he says he doesn't know and doesn't try change the subject or make something up on the spot.
But the latest tales from him.... (???) hmm
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Though I think he's completely insane, His ideas would make a great story.
Chokmah
Sep 5 2005, 10:54 PM
QUOTE(whipnet @ Sep 5 2005, 10:04 PM)
I used to believe Lear.
I last heard Lear talking about "Aliens and their soul-catching device" on Coast to Coast AM. He now claims when we die, our soul is shot up to the moon, analysed by aliens, we are reset or wiped clean and sent back down here in the form of another birth to do it all again. If you drown or die at sea the device on the moon doesn't work through water (???) and this is where the term lost souls comes from. Our Moon was pulled in orbit for this purpose.
This is why we stopped going to the moon. We were warned off, and will not return.
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hm, yep. i see can
almost see why you stopped beleiving lear there.
fallingalien
Sep 5 2005, 11:29 PM
anyway to make this short? is this about the guy they pushed out a window? he was put in a mental home after he quit (incase he said something about UFOs and aliens) then they pushed him out a window.
theSOURCE
Sep 5 2005, 11:34 PM
No fallingalien. John Lear is still alive. Do a search on his name if you want to find out what crap this guy is claiming.
Skeptic102
Sep 6 2005, 12:44 AM
QUOTE
anyway to make this short? is this about the guy they pushed out a window? he was put in a mental home after he quit (incase he said something about UFOs and aliens) then they pushed him out a window.
No. The person you are refering to is Secretary of Defense James Forrestal under the Truman administration. UFOlogists say he was pushed out of the window by the Men In Black because he was going to tell about UFOs. In reality he was suffering from depression and comitted suicide because of it.
mat112
Sep 6 2005, 04:51 AM
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Sep 5 2005, 03:54 PM)
In case anyone's still interested, John Lear (not Leer), the author of the above letter, is still alive and as loony as ever. He's the son of William Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, and is well known for making ridiculous claims about aliens and UFOs (such as the Krill papers).
Even his associate, good ol' nutcase Bob Lazar, states that Lear makes up a large percentage of his claims.
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and my first question is how do you know hes alive!?!? how huh? have you met him? do you know the goverment did all this they trying to cover it up!!! i cant belive why you cant see that!!, and the heres the answer to your question you said majo event hasent happend well? the 911 bombing that could of been aleins the gov and ufo agreement could have been broken and aliens bombed the twin towers warning the U.S goverment
MedicTJ
Sep 6 2005, 05:16 AM
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(Note: cows and humans are genetically similar. In event of a national disaster cow blood can be used by humans)
Ahhhhh now we're getting into an area where I don't need to quote sources in order to dispel a misconception.
The notion that cow blood can be used in humans is completely and utterly ridiculous and UNTRUE.
Cows and humans are NOT EVEN REMOTELY genetically similar.
Even between humans themselves, some blood types are not compatible and if not checked before a transfusion, can cause death! Do you seriously believe that COW BLOOD can be used in humans? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As with any urban legend, this one too has taken on a life of its own. YES, a substance obtained from cow blood (bovine thrombin) HAS been used in the past as a clotting agent during surgeries...but only in the most extreme cases.
And since it's been discovered that this substance can cause lupus in humans, the practice has generally been discontinued.
But this is NOT EVEN CLOSE to transfusing blood.
But hey, if you ever want to give it a try, by all means go ahead! Let me know how it works out.......................
SkyOne
Sep 6 2005, 07:50 AM
I don't even know where to start...not the bamn Dulce Wars again? Say it isn't so...please. Moore even has stated he was duped, even willingly to get other info ad has disappeared from the scene for alomost a decade now. Lear is just funky, however I have streamlink, listeneed to C2CAM and not once did he say souls were being recycled on the moon, even he isn't that goofy, and he disappeared for about a decade until Art talked hum into doing the show again. Medic has a valid point about cow blood, any person that paid attention to bio in high school or college knows that the plasma from pigs is closer to human...it's a verifiaable fact, look it up. But the Dulce W@ars....come on... great read, captovating, but SO much bs...yeah right, Delta went un before Beckwith even formed it....matter of fact, he was in Vietman at the time, as well as the original people. let's not forget we had the Cold War going on and that little thing called the Space Race. Let's not forget we lost another Kenndy at the time because Rosey Grier dind't take a little .22 slug. Dulce makes a fantastic STORY, get over it, lol.
Insight
Sep 6 2005, 08:09 AM
You really need to read, "A Covenant With Death" by William Cooper. If you can't find it yourself, I'll post a link. Trust me, just read it. All of it. It might seem long, but it's worth it.
chinnyboo
Sep 6 2005, 11:00 AM
QUOTE(whipnet @ Sep 5 2005, 10:04 PM)
I used to believe Lear.
I last heard Lear talking about "Aliens and their soul-catching device" on Coast to Coast AM. He now claims when we die, our soul is shot up to the moon, analysed by aliens, we are reset or wiped clean and sent back down here in the form of another birth to do it all again. If you drown or die at sea the device on the moon doesn't work through water (???) and this is where the term lost souls comes from. Our Moon was pulled in orbit for this purpose.
This is why we stopped going to the moon. We were warned off, and will not return.
The device is an enormous tower supposedly.
He's been around for a while in the UFO community and his stories get wilder and wilder.
One thing about Lear is when asked a question he doesn't know, he says he doesn't know and doesn't try change the subject or make something up on the spot.
But the latest tales from him.... (???) hmm
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There are pictures of this supposed 'tower'. Really is just looks like a strange plateau. Looks like this guy just took that and bend it round to his story,
Chinnyboo
Zeus
Sep 6 2005, 11:51 AM
There is an importance with most missinformation. One can study the patterns presented in false information and make assumptions as t the intensions of the creators, whether lear or his mental puppeters.. There is usually some fact in our fiction and some fiction in our fact (dunno where i got that line from but...)
I am suggesting the need to wizz through the pages of people like Lear and nutters like Zetatalk because wihin their hype they also hint at the real facts that are imbedded between the lines etc. Only decerning researchers will make the links. It depends more on how one sees the interconectivity of everything and how much information is calling to be noticed. There are valid truths within the work, yet as these rules of knowledge go. One cannot spill the truth for everyone. Information that is important will always be presented on a need to know basis. There is genuine information within the text, but only certain few will recognize or subconsciously be triggered by it, as is usually the main aim.
Seriously, one should already be able to sense when a story is a lie by now, as this one is definaely blaring out to all. After that level is passed, the usual attitude is to ignore everything else from the proven liar. This being the biggest mistake made by lay researchers and leads them off the path. Remember Icke and his exposing of the Bilderbergers and royal bloodlines, yet that info is suspect because he also believes in people eating reptilians. In truth, no one story will be exactly true. It is just not possible at this time of the war. There are laws governing the sharing of sensitive information. And espeially there is much more to missinformation than known. Do a google search on `James Bartley On the march`
theSOURCE
Sep 6 2005, 11:53 AM
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As SkyOne pointed out Lear has made recent appearances on talk programs. Do your own google search if you don't believe anyone here.
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and the heres the answer to your question you said majo event hasent happend well? the 911 bombing that could of been aleins the gov and ufo agreement could have been broken and aliens bombed the twin towers warning the U.S goverment
Are you 12 years old? UFOs did not bomb the Twin Towers on 9/11. It was two jet airliners (and no, they were not highjacked by ETs) that were intentionally crashed into the buildings.
I almost (but not quite) hate to do this, but here's some more of Lear's garbage to quench your thirst for fantasy.
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Here are the comments from John Lear. He was talking with Art Bell.
Mankind is an alien controlled experiment. All religions were created by the aliens to give us a set of rules and regulations to live by so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves.
The secret government knows about this experiment but is hiding it from us.
This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.
If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.
When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.
Increase in homosexuality is caused by the cube placing male souls in female bodies and vice versa. This is either by design or there is a fault with the cube.
Mariners are called 'lost souls' because if you die underwater the aliens can't retrieve the soul through water of any depth.
There are 38 levels above top secret. The top level is Majestic 12. The US President does not hold the highest level of secrecy.
Our Moon was towed here and placed in orbit around the Earth by a very large machine. There was a time in the recorded history of man when the Earth had no Moon, and also a time when the Earth had two Moons.
The Moon has an atmosphere which contains clouds.
The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.
The US will not go back to the Moon. Any other country trying to get to the Moon will fail.
US astronauts went to the Moon, saw all the alien machinery and structures and were told to keep silent about it by NASA.
Some of the film footage of the Apollo Moon landings were faked.
John Lear disagrees with Richard C. Hoagland's idea that some secret group is tampering with signals to the Mars rovers. He says it is NASA itself that is doing the tampering.
NASA knows that Venus is a normal planet just like Earth. Venus has beings that are similar to us.
We already have bases on the Moon and Mars but for anyone to go there it is a one way trip because they can't risk anyone coming back and revealing this information.
NASA knows there are spaceships in the rings of Saturn.
If mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment it will be cancelled and started all over again. A sort of cleansing that happens on Earth every 25,000 years.
There are two forms of gravity. Gravity A works on an atomic scale. Gravity B is the type that holds us on the Earth and holds the Earth in orbit around the Sun.
Gravity is instantaneous. We use a gravity phone to talk to the grey aliens who live 1,000 light years away.
Over 1,500 alien abductions occur each day in the US.
The Yellow Book is a government record of all alien crash retrievals.
Art Bell's talk with John Lear 2004He still makes a lot of BS claims for being a dead guy.
Chokmah
Sep 6 2005, 12:52 PM
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The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.
that statement sounds almost beleivable, but i really doubt
aliens brought it here.
I mean, if he was ever remotely correct, he'd be killed off. such as in a plane crash, car crash, gas leak ect.
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MedicTJ
Sep 6 2005, 04:11 PM
QUOTE(Leliel @ Sep 6 2005, 12:52 PM)
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The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.
that statement sounds almost beleivable, but i really doubt
aliens brought it here.
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The moon DOES revolve. The only way it wouldn't revolve is if it stayed stationary in space. It's just that it revolves at the same speed with which it orbits the earth. Just because we only see one side of the moon doesn't mean that it's not spinning.
On top of that, if every body in the solar system were "artificial" because it doesn't revolve...then we'd have a WHOLE LOT of artificial bodies.
Including the planets Mercury and Venus. Just as the moon's relation is to the earth, so it is for Mercury and Venus concerning their orbit of the sun. (although Venus spins slightly longer)
Just as the moon only has one face towards earth, Mercury only has one side towards the sun. One side is baked, the opoosite side is in perpetual darkness and extremely cold.
Chokmah
Sep 6 2005, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Leliel @ Sep 6 2005, 12:52 PM)
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The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.
that statement sounds almost beleivable, but i really doubt
aliens brought it here.
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The moon DOES revolve. The only way it wouldn't revolve is if it stayed stationary in space. It's just that it revolves at the same speed with which it orbits the earth. Just because we only see one side of the moon doesn't mean that it's not spinning.
On top of that, if every body in the solar system were "artificial" because it doesn't revolve...then we'd have a WHOLE LOT of artificial bodies.
Including the planets Mercury and Venus. Just as the moon's relation is to the earth, so it is for Mercury and Venus concerning their orbit of the sun. (although Venus spins slightly longer)
Just as the moon only has one face towards earth, Mercury only has one side towards the sun. One side is baked, the opoosite side is in perpetual darkness and extremely cold.
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ah... thanks for clearing that up. I came back to this earlier and kinda had doubts in my post.
but i was to lazy to edit...
anyhoo

for clearing it up.
JMPD1
Sep 6 2005, 04:37 PM
CLARIFICATION:
The moon revolves around the Earth.
It does not rotate. The same face is always facing Earth. Which is why they refer to the far side as "the dark side of the moon".
Pannkakskungen
Sep 6 2005, 05:33 PM
Clarification:
The moon does rotate around its own axis, otherwise we would end up seeing all sides of from earth as it rotates earth. As Medic pointed out, it does however rotate around its own axis with the same speed as it rotates around earth.
If you dont believe it, do a simple test, with say two cups, place one as the earth in the middle, the other one will be the moon. Move the mooncup around earthcup Without having it rotate around its own axis and you will clearly see that all sides of the cup will be seen.
Chokmah
Sep 6 2005, 09:29 PM
Pannkakskungen is correct. i looked it up.
totally googled everyones a**

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LittleStarchild
Sep 7 2005, 07:37 AM
I could kick myself to not have bookmarked any of the real good sites I visited. I am very very sceptical re. the correctness of the Leer.
Here is another story, which I would like to share - unfortunately no link available.
EBEs once had an UFO crash they were beings made out of chlorophyll-plant like beings. As one of them was so sick, intelligence called a plant expert to help the being a heal. This was one of the stories spread. As USAF, CIA and their mates, are counter-spying on each other, one can only boil it down after one read everything and then draw the final conclusion.
Nordic is the former tribe called Aryan (blond, blue eye) who also happened to come through a Stargate in former Persia and then went to Asian region and then to Egypt. (or was it vice versa ?! - forgot). There seemed to be also a planet called Aryan. Well Hitler believed in the Aryans ... blond, blue eyes, which is kind of strange, because we are mixed people in Germany (blond, black, brown hair), and blond - blue eyes match more yeap to the Nordic people.
I do not think that they do not interfere, because Hitler would not have come up with this Aryan rubbish, but he was supposedly be guided by some Blues as well. Depending on the site one reads, the Nordics are good and bad. So Hitler would not have come with this idea, if he A. was not abducted, B. if his psychics, have not come up with the idea (mind control weapons) or C. if he had channeled himself, which he likely did. Psychotronic weapons and agents and alien can and do communicate like spirit, otherwise it would not be called mind control.
Unless of course - more conspiracy now - it was a fight between several aliens and thus trying to wipe out traces so one keeps blaming another, and battling it out on earth. So here we go. The more one googles around and look for clues - the truth is out there, somewhere in the internet and in books too.
Mr Slayer
Sep 7 2005, 09:35 AM
The large governments of this planet have made a fool's deal? It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Trading technology for DNA? Brilliant recipe for subjugation.
And people still trust politicians? Haha...boy, we are so stupid, we deserve to die so this stupidity doesn't spread.
Pannkakskungen
Sep 7 2005, 09:40 AM
Well, I for one would rather trust a politician than a looney who believes that aliens made us humans and come here to earth to abduct us and mutilate our cows.
Chokmah
Sep 7 2005, 12:04 PM
QUOTE(Pannkakskungen @ Sep 7 2005, 10:40 AM)
Well, I for one would rather trust a politician than a looney who believes that aliens made us humans and come here to earth to abduct us and mutilate our cows.
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heh, or that theres a soul catching device on the moon
but even then, i'd still trust niether. I think its safer to just trust something like cats, unless that 'cats and dogs' movie is true and my cat will kill me and take over the world.
hm, wonder why lear hasn't brought up some evidence for this yet
haha.
Pannkakskungen
Sep 7 2005, 12:12 PM
Trust cats, nu uh, they have their own agenda, trust a wombat instead, they are very trustworthy
isis-999
Sep 8 2005, 10:57 AM
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In case anyone's still interested, John Lear (not Leer), the author of the above letter, is still alive and as loony as ever. He's the son of William Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, and is well known for making ridiculous claims about aliens and UFOs (such as the Krill papers).
Even his associate, good ol' nutcase Bob Lazar, states that Lear makes up a large percentage of his claims.
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Source i am glad to see someone here is sane,I can not believe anyone could read this and believe such a insane claim. As many people know Lazer was proven a fake and lier many years ago. and i guess i can see why he would be friends with this guy. I may be wrong but i do believe Lear had his son declared insane some time ago.
Chokmah
Sep 8 2005, 11:54 AM
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 8 2005, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE(theSOURCE @ Sep 5 2005, 11:54 AM)
In case anyone's still interested, John Lear (not Leer), the author of the above letter, is still alive and as loony as ever. He's the son of William Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, and is well known for making ridiculous claims about aliens and UFOs (such as the Krill papers).
Even his associate, good ol' nutcase Bob Lazar, states that Lear makes up a large percentage of his claims.
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Source i am glad to see someone here is sane,I can not believe anyone could read this and believe such a insane claim. As many people know Lazer was proven a fake and lier many years ago. and i guess i can see why he would be friends with this guy. I may be wrong but i do believe Lear had his son declared insane some time ago.

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wait! all of this was meant to be fact!?
haha