Although most of you guys (and girls, pardon) claim that psionics aren't real, I suspect that very few of you have actually tried the easiest exercise of them all: the psiball.

I _think_ the main reason is that you are "smart enough to understand that psionics can't be real", and therefore, you won't waste an evening on it. Many of you would likely feel *something* in ten minutes if you cared to give it a honest try, but you would need to read an article on the subject first, of course.
What, is the human exploration urge dead?
What if interest was as low in other fields of science? (Yes, science)
I never believe in anything I can't experience myself.

I look forward to seeing the poll results.

On a side note: It was very important for this poll not to be named "Have ever you tried to make a psiball" or something. I want all kinds of people to vote.

I have, try it before you knock it...

Tingling sensation as everyone gets. This is completely normal and is not psi.

Ditto to the "T"

Sorry for not mentioning that; Any sensation you may feel, is not proof.
The easiest way to prove it is probably to program it to be hot or cold and place it near a digital thermometer with decimals.
You may *feel* something after 10 minutes, but to get proof, you have to go a little further. I said "an evening", didn't I?

And yes, there are ways to fake the feeling, so don't trust it, but I never get any "tingling" feeling. Maybe this whole "tingling" thing isn't the feeling we are looking for? I've seen many people mention it before. Mostly "hopeful newbies".

Tingling means nothing. It is normal.

I would say this...

Try not to feel a psi-ball don't try and feel it.
Then if you feel it it's not wishful thinking.

Try to explain it other ways.
If you go looking for it to be real you can easily see false signs.

Same in the other way is that too many people try whatever thinking It isnt true, and try to see everything that means it isnt true.

You have to look at the evidence detached from desire.
Anyone can believe their own lie. <--- Remember that

Damn it you guys, I'm starting to feel like you don't listen to me at ALL. How many times must I say that it goes WWWWWAAAAYYYY beond the damn tingling. I practically never feel tingling, but when I do I dismiss it because I know what it is.Put a ball in your hands.
Imagine that it is a whole lot less dense than it really is. Now imagine it floating there. Add the feeling of magnetism, some warmth, and fuzziness and you have a psiball.

Actually, as you know, you don't even need to program it to feel fuzzy, warm or "magnetic".
A psiball is just that, a ball of psi. You can make it feel one way or another, though, or use it for more practical things, like cooling headaches.

Ghost, it doesn't go beyond tingling.

Oh it does, it lights up and a bell rings.

Thanks for showing me up 7.

I always forget the bell bit.

I voted yes, because I have tried. Infact, I went through a similiar phase that most young teens go through in which the metaphysical fascinated me, and I tried many experiments with it. However, none of them really yielded any results, and I decided that this sort of thing was not just some skill one could learn, such as drawing or playing a musical instrument.

I want to know WHY I should do this?

What difference does it make in the world?

I can feel tingling if I sit on my foot too long.

What would I do with it if I actually happend to do this?

I dont understand the point at all. It seems like a BIG waste of time to me.

If you can give me a GOOD reason WHY I should do this and WHAT the point of doing it is....THEN maybe I will try to do this.

The point is to feel empowered by deluding yourself into believing that you are "special", "powerful", "gifted", or "unique". Everyone in school tries to seperate themselves from the crowd. What better way to do that than make-believe?

Ooooh! Ok then. That I dont need. LOL! I am not a child anymore and I dont have a need to feel special, important, or powerful. I am a mother! That is all the power I need!!! ROFL!!!!

Well, you can use pretty simple psiballs to cool headaches, for instance.

But that's not the point. The point is, many of the members on this forum insist that psionics aren't real, without giving the simplest exercise a shot. In my opinion, those persons shouldn't insist too hard on their opinion, they have no experience to back it up.

So which skeptics, who write in this forum often, are the type of people you have described above?

When I have a headache, I use asprinkinesis. It invloved me using kinetic energy to cause my hand to open an asprin bottle, and then take one of the pills. It works every time! I'll post a technique if anyone wants to learn.

The psiball version doesnt take fifteen minutes, and do you carry asprin and water everywhere?
Or do you go home and get it whenever you have a headache?

Please, you are trying too hard. It was the first thing I could think of at the moment.

The psiball version doesnt take fifteen minutes

Wow, so you are able to cure your own headache just by using a simple psionic technique you learned from the internet? And it's instantaneous? Amazing.


and do you carry asprin and water everywhere?

Of course not. Bu7t then again, I can't actually remember the last time I had a headache. Maybe it's because I eat properly and excercise regularly.


Or do you go home and get it whenever you have a headache?

The only time I get any sort of a headache is when I have been drinking. And I am always at home for that. And all you have to do is cure that is drink water. Even then, I'm not some much of a lush that I am constantly getting headaches.


Please, you are trying too hard. It was the first thing I could think of at the moment.


What does that even mean?

Actually, I do carry medicine with me everywhere I go because I am prone to get migraines. So I make sure I carry what I need so I can take it and get on with my life before I end up in bed for the rest of the day.

But curing a headache does not explain to me what this is, why I should do it, and what difference it makes. It could very easily been all in your mind that it cures your headaches. Like a placebo.

I am sorry but it still doesnt make any sense to me.

Tell me what it is.

Tell me how to do it.

Tell me WHY I should do it.

Tell me what it will do.

just because you can imagine a ball of energy in your hands and fool your brain into thinking you made one....doesnt mean you actually created a ball of energy. most people can close there eyes and basically see or do anything in their imagination which is why its simple to fool yourself. unless you can create a psiball and use it to actually make an impact on the world around you, it doesnt exist other then in your mind.

Firstly, I'm not a priest trying to turn you all over to the 'true' side.
I'm up for a good discussion, and I'll help people if they have honest questions (like you), but I don't always have enough time, and I don't care too much about proving psionics to people who demand that I use my spare time to give them proof.

About the headache thing, it was just something I sponaneously threw out.
And, well, if it's a placebo, it's a damn good one, and I'm glad to be able to fool my body into believing that my brain doesn't hurt, even if it does.

I don't know exactly *how* psionics work, but then again, scientists have never figured out how, physically, gravity or magnetism works. They just know *that* it works.
I talk from my humble experience.

But that sucks about the migraine, dude. I know one who has it. My mother had it some years ago, too.

1: Psionics, or at least the 'manipulative' part of it, is the ability to make this substance called 'psi' do something, like, er.. "be hot", "wake me at 7 o'clock", "warn me when my cousin arrives", and stuff. And if *that* doesn't make you turn away, then nothing will. But hey, I'm not trying to convince you. And the more advanced ones are harder to do.
There are other fields of psionics too, like telepathy/empathy and Remote Viewing.

In my eyes, everything is built up in a "if A happens, then B will follow" manner. Old machines, new machines, the human being.. "If I press this button, the electricity will flow through this power line, and through the little metal spiral in the lightbulb. It will react by becoming very hot and bright, and the room will be lit up."
When keeping this in mind, it's not too difficult to accept that it is possible to make psi do anything on a given event.
But, that's my personal view.

2: I learned (and still am learning) from PsiPog.

3: Well, it is mainly a hobby, until you get really good at it. (I'm not there, by a long shot.) And, of course, if you want to, you can make your ability public and try to earn a million dollars.
Should I list some example benefits?

Telepathy enables you to know what other people are thinking (or force them to think something), premonition enables you to predict future, and RV enables you to see places without actually being there. : P I can *not* guarantee that *any* field of psionics is real, exept psychokinesis. That's the only thing I can do, myself.
And, well, I have made several psiballs, but I haven't done anything very exiting with them.

4: Depends on how much you have trained, depends on what you are trying to do.

*phew*
That was another long post, thanks for approaching the subject with doubt, but without hate-bordering annoyance towards all who claim they have some experience with psionics.
That's how I would approach it, in your place.

And to IamUnexplained;
I can do psychokinesis. That does, by definition, have an 'impact' on the world. Believe me or not as you wish. Actually, you shouldn't, as you haven't seen it first-hand.
Yes, I agree to your reasoning.

I tried it once and I am pissed because this psi stuff wasted 10 min. of my life and this was before I bacame a skeptic on this subject. So you cannot say I didn't try to my fullest and you said you use a psi ball to cure your headache and people have also said to make a psi ball you have to be tatally focused and I know when I have a headache I can't focus on anything so. I voted yes which I am ashamed to say it.
-Thank you

Well, I cant judge something I dont understand.

But to be honest...why waste my time with something that may or may not work or even exsist when I cant pop a pill, use a heater, light switch, ect.....and KNOW I will get results.

I see that this whole headache thing was been blown up beyond all proportions. Psionics don't begin to get practical at once. Your ability is simply too weak then to be of any serious use.

But come on, dogfights with paper airplanes? Healing? Force bubbles to keep the mosquito away? It's mostly for fun, but partly for convenience. Be creative!
On of the psipog staff used a force bubble around her when she was driving. She survived a chrash she shouldn't have survived.

I'm tired now, and I don't really want to sound like a salesman. If you don't want to look into psionics, then ok.

Yours,
Bob.

Well, if you cant give a compelling arguement to back your theory then why should I, or anyone else, believe you?


As for the accident...my husband survived an accident he shouldnt have. He should have gone through the windshield. He only hit it. But everyone who showed up at the scene said there is NO reason why he shouldnt have gone through it and that every other accident they have been to like that the person had gone through it.

The man, who wouldnt pull out of the drive way until everyone had their seatbelts on, wasnt wearing his. He was also mad and speeding. A very old woman who had her liscense revoked and had just had hip replacement surgery, ran a stop sign and he had no other option but to hit her.

They both survived the crash but she died a few days later from a heart attack.

My husband ended up with glass in his head that we were picking out for months later, the next day he wa so sore he literally couldnt move at all, and his car was completely totalled.

This was on Christmas Even 1995. We were still dating at the time.

So....moral of the story. He survived....and it had nothing to do with psiballs or anything else like that.

Do you know that psipog makes money from it's website? That right there is motivation to construct amazing stories of force bubbles protecting driver from crashes.

Seriously now, a force bubble?

And what constitutes a crash that one should have survived from? I've seen crashed where the inpact is minimum, yet the victum dies. Othe rcrashes where the car is destroyed, yet the victum has not a scratch on them. Too many variables, and too much money to be made from extending the myth.

..10 minutes consitutues trying to your fullest? Ok. Curing headaches isn't about the psiball - it's believing that the pain isn't really there. I can do that. All it is is tricking your brain into thinking nothing is there. It's easy - the brain is very susceptible to being tricked (many examples such as the video clip with the basketball players and the gorilla or the fact that your eyes ignore things it doesn't expect to see or knows are there so no longer registers them). Mind over matter and whatnot.


He's not saying you should believe or even try - in fact, he's encouraging everyone NTO to believe him. Has no one picked up on that?

EDIT:
Oh and I voted yes because I'm curious about these things. And Insight, why do you make "feeling special" sound so bad? Is it so terrible that people want to feel special or unique?

And Insight, why do you make "feeling special" sound so bad?

This way, he can't be accused of doing it himself.

I highly doubt that a person about to have an accident would have enough time to creat a 'force bubble', otherwise she would've gotten outten of the way.

So a force bubble is basically like a psychic airbag, then? ok ....

And Insight, why do you make "feeling special" sound so bad?


It is unhealthy for the individual, and the society on a whole, for people to be feeling special due to a fabricated circumstance. It shadows reality, and the quest for truth. It makes us easier to control, and tips the balance of power away from the people towards the elite.

Yes, it is terrible that people want to make themselves feel special and unique, because of the means they seek to do it in. It's pathetic, but very sad. It's sad that children don't have a good enough self image that they have to invent one. it's sad that the public school system teaches them nothing more than to be subserviant drones grasping at whatever temporary high they can get. And it's sad that this drives them to crime, depression, and drugs.

Fantasy is harmless until in interferes with reality. And that is exactly what the practice of psionics by young teens is. Their minds are not fully developed, they have no clue what the earth is, or how it functions, and they are struggling for acceptance anywhere they can possibly find it. I was the same way when I was a kid, and it made me sick.

The world is an extremely complicated place. When one is a teen, they believe they have the ability to understand all of it. I mean, they really BELIEVE they have the ability to understand all of it. I was the same way. And during this state, we are HIGHLY suceptable to being swayed from the most beneficial course of life. The course which brings contentment, security, and accomplishment. We can be made to believe by ourselves that we have control over what we are doing, but we never do, nor will we ever have.

That's only because you already belive it to be fabricated. What if people just feel special because they are ?

I have tried the whole energy in the hands thing, I have tried quite a few other things as well they do seem to work for me but only ever so slightly. I'm not claiming I have a kinesis I'm saying it is possibly a mind over matter thing. And that appears to have some kind of effect. You can't just claim it does not exist and is completely fabricated when the placebo effect is atleast a proven theory.

I also personally know, some highly intelligent individuals who practice and believe in Reiki. They of course couple this with modern science and Doctors. But these people teach your children in classes at your schools, well educated people, who just happen to practice a form of energy healing.

How dare you demand me to do something. "I want ALL of you on this". Sheesh. Talk to a lady nice and she might accomodate you. I swear, I'm not gonna vote, JUST because you put it like that. You men are all the same. "Do this, do that". Makes me just want to go on and on about how mean and demanding you are. So there! I ain't gonna do it!



Okay, so I voted. Yes, I've tried.

^ WBS.

I think I've tried it , it was more to create healing energy like Kismit explained though.

I tried it once or twice and produced warmth which the other person could feel when I placed my hands over the area ( not directly on it).

Apart from that I can't comment on psi balls I've never really taken the time to actually work on trying to create one, probably a lot like some of the skeptics here.
The difference being I'm not going to run my mouth off trying to put someone down in an area I really know little about.

Just because the teenage years are difficult ones doesn't mean we cannot cope with abstract ideas. We have the ability to reason (though some parents may dispute that ) and can form opinions on information.

Just because schools in America are (I'm not sure how to put this) messed up? Have a tendency to have extremist kids (i.e. popular kids,social outcasts, intellectual types)? I don't think that's quite the right way to put it but I hope you understand what I mean. So, just because American schools are like that, doesn't mean the teenagers attending them are inept at dealing with new ideas or incapable of becoming well-rounded adults or permanently messed up for life because they went through a period of "believing they have superpowers". It's a phase. You went through it yourself (as you've said) and you got through it alright didn't you?

Please don't label all us teenagers as dolts. Believing for a few years isn't going to mess us up for life. I'll remind you that many adults believe they have superpowers and that is much more serious than young people because it's part of growing up to believe. Adults who think like that are admitted to hospitals. Youths aren't. There's a reason for that.

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Just because the teenage years are difficult ones doesn't mean we cannot cope with abstract ideas. We have the ability to reason (though some parents may dispute that ) and can form opinions on information.

Just because schools in America are (I'm not sure how to put this) messed up? Have a tendency to have extremist kids (i.e. popular kids,social outcasts, intellectual types)? I don't think that's quite the right way to put it but I hope you understand what I mean. So, just because American schools are like that, doesn't mean the teenagers attending them are inept at dealing with new ideas or incapable of becoming well-rounded adults or permanently messed up for life because they went through a period of "believing they have superpowers". It's a phase. You went through it yourself (as you've said) and you got through it alright didn't you?

Please don't label all us teenagers as dolts. Believing for a few years isn't going to mess us up for life. I'll remind you that many adults believe they have superpowers and that is much more serious than young people because it's part of growing up to believe. Adults who think like that are admitted to hospitals. Youths aren't. There's a reason for that.
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Not every school in America is like that. Not MOST schools in America are like that. I went to a perfectly fine public school and I enjoyed it. I wasnt extreme or anything else. Neither was anyone I knew.

I also went to some good private schools and the private school my son is in right now is AMAZING!

Please dont make generalizations if you dont want generalizations made about you.

Are you telling me you spend a whole evening creating psi balls?


Sorry, but I'm gonna skip trying to kid myself into believing that I can create balls of energy, and I'm going to go out with my friends..........however foreign a concept going outside may be to some people here

Sorry maryjo. I have a few friends who went to school in the states for a few years and, when asked, they said it was EXACTLY like you see in the movies with all the groups, hence, I thought it was not entirely unfounded to say it.

My apologies.

I agree. If you are raising your hands, a logical explanation is that you feel the blood leaving your hands, not energy forming a ball in your hands.

When I first learned of it I experimented and then got a good laugh. Why do you think myself -- among others -- try and debunk and talk a bit of sense into all these people who claim to have psionic powers?

"What, is the human exploration urge dead?"

You mean what is the human exploration 'into' the world of the dead right?
I am very lost on what you asked, could you repeat/rephrase the question?

I'm not too interested in ghosts and the like.

"What, have the humans lost their urge to explore?"

Wow. Round and round the wheel goes, this sensation or that, the "tingling theory" blah blah blah. The psi ball is much more than that but I'm just telling you something you've already heard right?

And why dont we have proof? Simple, noone practices this skill enough to bring it to it's full potential, it's all still stuck on the energy only level. No physical manipulation yet.

But my argument is pointless because we still dont have proof and probably never will. I dont know why but we seem to have a problem sustaining constant practice.

Go on believing whatever you want, in the end it doesnt change either sides view.

Round and round the wheel goes.....

I thought people made visible ones?

I thought people made visible ones?

Well apparently. But how can you be sure of anything someone tells you on the internet? You cant even trust anything I tell you.

This whole psi subject has become incredibly vague.

woot I've made a psiball like three times and i've only tried it twice

I can't be the only one to notice that there is something wrong with that statement...

I guess they had a spare one just lying around...I could use one of those. Care to lend it to me for a while?